Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return: Musical Hell Review #35

[@scrambled5948]

Just be thankful that the China princess wasn't an offensive Asian stereotype.

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

That would be a PR nightmare.

[@allisonelizabeth6596]

They'd get a shit ton of controversy for that

[@willlyon7129]

I think it’s meant to be a reference to the book, when Dorthy and her companions traveled to the village where the inhabitants are made out of porcelain china.

[@OccyDaBoss]

everyone gangsta until doll starts singing in lucky cat

[@scrambled5948]

@Julien Jimmy why are you commenting that here?

[@bish-0-p]

Yanno, I've always been a sucker for that "soldier in love with a princess" cliche. I'm sure if they changed some details and maybe make it live-action like the original movie (with modern CGI), it could've worked. Here's my take on this movie: After Dorothy returns from Oz, she tries to tell her family about what happened. They don't believe her, thinking she hit her head too hard. Oz becomes something of a dream. Eventually, Dorothy gets married and has children. Sometime later, her (great) granddaughter is born. She is coincidentally given the name Dorothy, but she goes by her middle name. In Oz, time has barely passed. The kingdom is in prosperity, lead by Glinda. Of course, every smaller kingdom has it's own ruler. She's overthrown by her court jester, who steals her wand and turns her into a puppet. Instead of being called the Jester, he calls himself the Puppet-Master. That way he isn't a Joker rip-off. The Puppet-Master begins to imprison the leaders of the kingdoms, wanting to be the only ruler of the land. The Scarecrow, The Tinman, and The Lion make a distress call, sucking Dorothy Jr. into a twister. Dorothy is placed exactly where her great-grandmother once was. The trio go to hug her, but they quickly realize she's not their Dorothy. She explains about all that happened, and how her grandmother had already passed away. The trio suck up their grief, knowing they had to save the kingdom. On the way back to the Emerald City, the trio are taken away by puppets. Dorothy fights off the puppets as best she can, but she ends up falling into a river. When she wakes up, The Owl is gently patting her cheeks. He tells her he pulled her out of the water, and she was lucky to be alive. He takes her to the Candy Kingdom, as that is the closest place they could get help. (They don't eat the candy because The Owl knows it's illegal.) She's stopped at the gates by marshmallow soldiers, who tell her to let or be thrown into a cell. This is where Marshall Mellow comes into play. He explains to Dorothy that the king and queen had been taken by the Puppet-Master. He agrees to go with the two to save his leaders. The continue along, but an obstacle keeps them from going straight to The Emerald City. So, they detour to the kingdom made of china. (I was going to call it Chinatown, but uh...) They are escorted to the palace, where they meet the China Princess. She tells them they can pass through, but only if they promise to bring her family back. Just before they leave, the puppets lead an attack on the kingdom. The China Princess escapes with the trio, knowing the puppets were after her. (Insert emotional scene of China Princess crying over her shattered citizens.) As they continue to Oz, Marshall Mellow attempts to comfort her. Perfect opportunity to strengthen their bond and set up the beginning of a relationship. They of course meet many challenges along the way, and they grow closer together. It's a mirror to the original Dorothy and her companions. When they reach the Emerald City, they notice the citizens are being treated like slaves. While trying to free them, the China Princess is captured and taken to the Puppet-Master. Marshall Mellow gets upset, of course, but the Owl and Dorothy encourage him to carry on. Dorothy continues into the palace while the other two try to gather an army. Que chase sequence with puppets and Dorothy. She meets the Puppet-Master in the room the Wizard was in. The Puppet-Master gets ahold of Dorothy, and prepares to turn her into a puppet. Marshall Mellow and the Owl come to her rescue, leading a revolution. They make it to a room where all the puppets are kept. Every leader is there, including the Wizard, Glinda, the china family, the Lion, the Tinman, and the Scarecrow. Dorothy starts breaking them out of their cases. The Puppet-Master catches up with them and turns every puppet against them. The remaining trio have to fight against their friends and rulers. The Owl steals back Glinda's wand and gets it to her. As soon as the wand is in her hand, she's freed. She finishes off (but not literally) the Puppet-Master. She brings everyone back to their normal self. Dorothy hugs the original trio, the China Princess reunites with her family, Marshall Mallow finds his king and queen. Everyone's happy. China Princess and Marshall Mallow have a moment. Once again, "Dorothy" saves the day. She's whisked back home, the end. (I haven't watched the original in awhile, so I apologise for details I may have missed or left out.)

[@ccateni28]

How does a youtuber make a better story than the scam artists?

[@lavenderlylin]

I will willingly pay to help you make this into a thing

[@lunamoonstone2350]

sounds like a good idea for a movie i really like it

[@atotalfiasco4213]

Or heck, copy Oz The Great and Powerful and have the gang show up to the China Princess's kingdom after it's been attacked with the princess herself having limbs broken off that need repairing from the struggle

[@revylozman]

Goddamn amazing.

[@aneditor1112]

"There's no way you're going to make a rainbow look threatening to anybody but a FOX news anchor." Lol, nicely done.

[@pyroshayniac1090]

I slammed the like button for that one! Haha.

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

@@whoasked9500 - As a non-conservative, I find the continued bashing of Fox when CNN exists just tiresome. A bit like Trump bashing it has about as much edge as a cotton ball.

[@whoasked9500]

Agreed, I actually really hate CNN.

[@connortripp99]

Fox News anchors: Really bro? People taking lsd: *SCREAMING IN AGONY*

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

@@goawayleavemealone2880 Agreed.

[@timothymclean]

You know, there's an interesting parallel between Marshal Mallow and the China Princess. One is a subordinate looking for a superior, the other has a superiority complex. If the movie had focused more on them (without a third character, or with a third character who complimented this theme somehow), and if the rest of the story was adjusted to fit, it could have been an interesting story about the unhealthy effects of one-sided power relationships, with the Princess and the Marshal only being able to find happiness or defeat the bad guy when they accept each other as equals, rather than subordinate and commander.

[@slashermaster28]

This was my main issue with the film in general. It didn't make good use of any of its concepts. I honestly thought the ideas behind the new characters were interesting, but the film does a terrible job handling their arcs.

[@timothymclean]

I've had an idea. Mallow wants a superior, but doesn't need one. The princess wants to be obeyed, but doesn't need it. The first Oz film was a story about people who already had what they wanted; maybe this could be one about people who _don't need_ what they want? Mallow learns he doesn't need orders, Princess learns that she doesn't need to be superior, what's-his-face learns he doesn't need to fly, and Dorothy learns that she doesn't need her old house.

[@dillwad88]

@@timothymclean damn, you just wrote a classic that'll never exist. The world is too cruel to bring your idea to fruition.

[@lavenderlylin]

Le'a combine this with @Athena Pantheon 's idea above

[@angelicabutterfly1794]

A third who compliments this set? Let's see... China Princess GIVES orders, Marshall Mallow FOLLOWS the orders... Why not a third character who REFUSES to follow orders no matter what? A kind of "rules are for chumps, I do things my way" type.

[@kirjom2505]

the sad thing is this movie had potential and would have been great if it had been done right. if they had wanted to place the sequel in modern time, they would have told a story about Dorothy's granddaughter, and Jester would have been a cool villain too. an evil clown, who turns people into marionettes? works well.

[@ryano.5149]

Although, the whole "turning people into marionettes" thing... Didn't Courage the Cowardly Dog do that first?

[@Cephalo_People]

thats pretty much what Lost In Oz on Amazon is

[@Fuhjcfffeewww]

I know,it’s so frustrating! But sometimes you got take measures in your own hands.

[@wanderingeldest5627]

I wrote a fanfic where I made that happen. I love the Jester 🥲

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@ryano.5149 it's hardly a new thing

[@goldblaze93]

Woody's sarcastic laugh gets me every time. :)

[@littlezorkie9311]

goldblaze93 aha AHAAAA gimme that!

[@mechmaster315]

Speaking of Woody one of the Oz puppet people looks like Woody

[@corysowers6326]

That made the unfunny jokes in the movie funny

[@Usagi393]

That opening bit with the lion, the tin man, and the scarecrow doesn't make any sense. The 3 of them said it has been years in Oz since Dorthy left. Even if they had gotten courage, a heart, and a brain as new presents instead of having those qualities all along, why don't they have control over them yet? They said it has been years!

[@DragonKirby]

plotholes Be carefull Because if you fall in You'll get stuck

[@thegayghost872]

Bad writing

[@NormalGayBro]

When on doubt, it was an artistic choice. Maybe something of a "be careful what you wish for" type of deal. But the movie wants to be subtle so they leave it for the audience to work out. Yeah that's it.

[@Fuhjcfffeewww]

@@NormalGayBro keep saying it until it’s true

[@kristinahuchison2511]

We gonna ignore Dorothy looks arguably younger in this movie than in the original movie?? Shouldn’t she be like 18 at least??

[@chellastation]

The Tom & Jerry Wizard of Oz sequel makes alot more sense than this film.

[@philipdarrenellwell1994]

Heck, the FIRST Tom and Jerry Oz film made more sense than this, and that one was just slapping them into the storyline.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Marcella D There were TWO of those?

[@dapperloser3025]

heh seems like a blessing compared to tom and jerry willy wonka ;)

[@CleverCover05]

Damn, just shoot the movie. That would hurt less than what you just said.

[@joyunicycle]

And at least those films were legal.

[@amiefortman7220]

Ohhh, Bernadette Peters, no! She and Alan Cumming need to start a support group for talented actors whose agents have it in for them. :(

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Amie Fortman Don't forget Martin Short!

[@alexmeyer5260]

Jenifer Joseph Oh God, he was AWFUL in this movie!! What an egregious case of miscasting!! Worst movie villain I have ever seen!!

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Alex Meyer Oh you haven't seen Foodfight or the Christmas Tree yet... XD

[@alexmeyer5260]

Jenifer Joseph I haven't seen those movies in their entirety, but I have seen the Nostalgia Critic's reviews of them. Everything he said is all I need to know.

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Alex Meyer I agree with you for Foodfight, but I kinda want to see the Christmas Tree. It seems like the Room of animated movies. Which, how is that even possible, for one...

[@srtallio]

The "Puppet Rulers" gimmick could've worked if, everywhere the heroes went, they were confronted by belligerence from people they thought they could trust, because they were being controlled by the Jester's magic 🙂

[@rogue7723]

Yeah it’s give it a good-creepy _Invasion Of The Body Snatchers_ vibe.

[@evva8643]

I feel like we're all going to get a lot of use out of that "whhOOOOOO CARES?" clip.

[@harrietamidala1691]

Yeah, I hope it becomes a new running joke too. It's almost the perfect summation of my thoughts over the stupid "what color is the dress meme".

[@MusicalHell]

evva It's the perfect mix of frustration and contempt, isn't it?

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

@@MusicalHell Hell, I would've gone with a Mystery Science Theater clip of "They just didnt care", but whatever.

[@KidSnivy69]

I kind of wish Bernadette Peters not being given a song could of been a sin, but knowing this movies music it probably would of just become a sin of wasting her talent in a weak song.

[@kieranstark7213]

Reminds me of The Land Before Time X where its makers could give Bernadette Peters a song, but refused to for no reason. That is nothing compared to Crest Animation Productions prohibiting Lilly & Garth from being in the Alpha & Omega sequels.

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

One thing: They cast Bernadette Peters as Glinda but they didn't let her SING?!

[@baalgodofrain]

That's a theme with most of her casting movie roles, kinda sad honestly

[@sel9981]

This reminds me of that one spongebob special where they cast David Bowie in one of the roles But didn't let him sing

[@gageperuti5519]

Wow, way to waste one of the greatest vocal talents of the modern age. Disgraceful.

[@janebyrne6463]

They didn't let Bernadette Peters sing in Pennies From Heaven either.

[@aaronlandry3934]

Personally, I liked how this movie had really dark moments, like puppet Glinda, and especially the tortures the jester put Dorothy's friend through. Each torture is really horrifying considering what they're made of (Tin man in water, essentially eating away at his skin, scarecrow being surrounded by fire on a spinning wheel, and cowardly lion in an ever shrinking cage). I wish these could be in a better movie that also explored the Jester's past instead of the marshmallow and chyna doll's relationship. Also, the china people were in literal shards and still completely sentient. Why didn't China princess say or move at all when she shattered?

[@billybarnett9518]

A better Oz film with darker moments is Return To Oz.

[@KidSnivy69]

Glinda is the only thing I could consider dark. Everything else was meh

[@ajallen9674]

What's sad is that in the original book, they actually did have China people (the same ones as in the movie), but they still didn't execute it well.

[@goldblaze93]

"She's one of the greatest heroes Oz has ever known! She is well above reproach!" That dude should've taken lessons from Korra. She's the Avatar, and she busted a shop while catching criminals, but here's something that happened that this movie failed to do: reality set in! Korra gets arrested and is told by the police chieftain that just because she's the Avatar doesn't mean she can dish out vigilante justice. Granted, Korra does calm down later in the series... Just an example, is all.

[@Kahran042]

Personally, I don't see why Legend of Korra even needs to exist at all.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Kahran042 Most sequels don't really need to exist in my opinion. That isn't limited to the bad ones.

[@critica77y77]

I didn't even LIKE Legend of Korra, but this makes that show look like the original.

[@davidspring4003]

@@Kahran042 it was meant as an apology for the movie. Whether or not it worked is up to personal taste.

[@kieranstark7213]

Anyone sick and tired of people saying that Dorothy Gale in Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return and Korra are females whom none other can be more powerful than?!

[@srbarkerchan]

You forgot to mention the greatest sin of all: Bernadette Peters doesn't sing in this movie.

[@kieranstark7213]

IKR!!!! Another sin The Land Before Time sequel (yes, people. I am only saying a singular amount, not the sequels as a whole) has is that for no reason, they do not give Bernadette Peters a song!!!

[@LaineMann]

@@kieranstark7213 She was in THAT!?

[@gageperuti5519]

WHAT????!!!!!! That's like having Julie Andrews in your musical and not letting her sing! Or Angela Lansbury! Or Idina Menzel! Oh wait, that actually did happen.

[@winters_revolt]

@@gageperuti5519 However, with Idina, that was her choice, she asked the people to not give her a song because she wanted to show her acting chops, not her singing chops.

[@kieranstark7213]

Sheridan Mann As a follower of Bobsheaux, I have traditionally known that fact.

[@Gutslove]

Ok, the Meryl Streep "Who Cares?!" gag made me giggle XD

[@DragonKirby]

It works so well in situations

[@QJ89]

One more reason to check out 'Into The Woods'...

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

The delivery of that line gets to me.

[@jasongretencord3326]

Doesn't the movie already establish that the china people can be reassembled, thus rendering the scene where the princess is broken devoid of dramatic tension?

[@austinreed7343]

The Dire Tarrasque Like Oh being crushed in Home.

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

To quote Mystery Science Theater, "They just didn't care!"

[@sunshinegirlmissriddlerent5605]

but it is also shown that they still need to be repaired when broken so it still works they don't just magically fix themselves

[@moonbunny24]

Man, imagine going from one of the most iconic non-Disney animated musical villains ever, Preminger from Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper, (I said what I said) into a knockoff version of the Joker in a movie that was funded by scamming the elderly.

[@sabrinamcclain162]

Why would you allow some of your citizens to be eaten just because the person who did it had killed a witch? Wouldn't that be more reason to put the serial killer on Death Row, since it shows that she's powerful?

[@timothymclean]

On the other hand, the fact that she seems to have the other kind of power (political/popularity) is plenty of reason not to punish her at all. Not a _good_ reason, but a pretty universal one.

[@13DeathWolf]

I have noticed, this movie manages that rare trick of both straying further from, and hewing closer to the source material. for instance, compared to the MGM film, they get the setting utterly wrong, but the tone is more similar. they exaggerate the qualities of the scarecrow, lion, and tin man, but they include details from the books like getting the colour of the scarecrow's clothes right, and giving the lion and tin man their kingdoms (or at least suggesting it). they include the china town, but forget that no-one can leave. it's infuriating, and a little bewildering, someone evidently read the books and it makes me wonder what made it go wrong.

[@digifreak90]

Just saying, The Jester looked like a failed Miraculous Ladybug villain.

[@LaineMann]

Lol. 😂

[@maniacaldude]

He looks more like a rejected Will Vinton Claymation character to me.

[@philipphalter926]

the dollar store version of the mime and simon says, with a bit of puppeteer sprinkled in

[@tumbleweed8250]

They built a boat out of a tree named Tug a “Tug boat” if you will... Cue the sarcastic Woody laugh!

[@elphieb3538]

Ah ha. Ah haaa-gimme that! *Snatches dad joke book out of your hands.*

[@tumbleweed8250]

@@elphieb3538 it took two years for my dumb joke to get a reaction but it was so worth the wait

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

13:59 Wow, the China Princess is a mass murderer!

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Gregory House As is Dorothy.

[@alexmeyer5260]

+Jenifer Joseph But Dorothy never tried to deliberately kill anyone.

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Alex Meyer Yeah but c'mon, candy genocide is candy genocide.

[@petehill7280]

Maybe she's a Bad Baroness of Ruddigore.

[@thegayghost872]

If I remember correctly, as long as China People stay in their little village, they're immortal.

[@MrShoebox21]

Is there ANY Wizard of Oz adaptation that is faithful to the Woodsman being named Nick Chopper and having dismembered himself, replacing his parts with tin substitutes until he was a fully Tin Man?

[@natsmith303]

Maybe not The Wizard of Oz, but Return to Oz references this directly.

[@EclipseDoesArt]

The graphic novel series that Marvel did. And no, I’m not making this up!

[@davidspring4003]

I believe the webcomic Namesake does.

[@willlyon7129]

Has anyone seen the short film Heartless?

[@Dreigonix]

That’s some Fullmetal Alchemist stuff right there.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

At least I can give this SOME props, since (like Oz The Great And Powerful) it included the China Country from Baum's original novel, a neat little side trip that couldn't have been done with 1939 special effects.

[@MusicalHell]

Jennifer Schillig It's odd, though...Baum specifically states that the people in China Country can't leave the borders of their realm lest they change into lifeless figurines, a condition that would have prevented any of them from joining the narrative in this fashion. ....Then again, if the China Princess had stayed where she was or stayed quiet for most of the movie, it would have made her character a lot more appealing.

[@ArcherSlamBAM]

Musical Hell Personally, that's why I thought this movie was more of a cash-grab of the franchise. (I redacted an earlier comment because...well, I tend not to read other people's comments.) Also, it being released just one year after, and announced at around the same time as, Oz: The Great and Powerful, didn't help.

[@harrietamidala1691]

Nice shout-out to the Unipiper (the one dressed as Darth Vader who rides on a unicycle while playing bagpipes). I love seeing Portland culture represented (I'm a native Oregonian). Here's a funny story. Last summer, I was in line with my dad to see Monty Python Live in movie theaters, and the Unipaper actually came out, playing bagpipes on his unicycle, this time dressed as King Arthur from Monty Python.

[@Midna127]

Poor AniMat. He has been a victim of Puppet Glinda.

[@Isaacarthy]

Midna127 I also witnessed Puppet Glinda at age 7, and I seriously wished i didn’t.

[@jackiegonzalez6814]

Midna127 good thing he used tnt to destroy her.

[@christheleavittman7080]

@@jackiegonzalez6814 Yep, tis true!

[@kieranstark7213]

Anyone who think AniMat/Animation Look-back is no-where near as good and harmless as Lea Michele/Rachel Berry is unlawful! 😡

[@FeedEgg]

I laughed a single "Ha" at the peeps joke....they were just too silly and bouncy i couldn't handle it.

[@Dreigonix]

Same. XD

[@rogue7723]

I kinda did also. I’m a sucker for puns no matter how lazy.

[@BlundergirlGalaxina]

Wordplay puns get me.

[@PvblivsAelivs]

The first thing that comes to my mind is that, if they want a sequel to _The Wizard of Oz_ , the original author wrote several.

[@ryantherebel]

17:41-17:46 "Using his sticky candy body....." GAH! The imagery! How did you not catch that?

[@MusicalHell]

ryantherebel Don't blame me, I'm not the one who decided to heal a major character by taking a creamy white biological by-product and smearing it all over her body.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"Interlopers will feel the back of my candy hand!"

[@ryantherebel]

Musical Hell Good god, I need some bleach.

[@petehill7280]

+TheHeroOfTomorrow You know what's sad? The Judge in the Candy County trial scene is voiced by Brian Blessed.

[@petehill7280]

Eamonn Deane Of course. My apologies.

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

"That a rainbow wants to taste her." Sorry but that line just has me giggling.

[@rogue7723]

It’s like a _Skittles_ commercial out for revenge.

[@followthewizard359]

"How do you think that will work for them, NESSA?" Ohhh, I love you! 😂

[@vicentehizon6202]

8:21 No self-respecting villain rides a unicycle... Except this guy.

[@anawolf2354]

Wait, at the beginning they're worried that Dorothy has forgotten about them? If I had been caught by a tornado, tossed into another world, met a bunch of singing gnomes, a scarecrow, a tinman, a lion and had killed a witch with a bucket of water because a giant green head wouldn't help me get home otherwise, chances are, I would remember it. I might end up thinking it was just a dream, but I would remember it!

[@JHaru777]

Isn't the china princess breaking also just a retread of when the Scarecrow got torn to pieces by the flying monkeys? Also, pretty sure this would work better if it was like. Dorothy's granddaughter. Yeah the story wouldn't be all the way good with just that change but at least it wouldn't be a complete butcher of the original story.

[@phoenixrage1]

Well at least Kelsey Grammer and Bernadette Peters made a good musical animated film together. And both got to sing! I'm referring, of course, to Anastasia.

[@Furore2323]

This time - it's personal! I loved all the L-Baum books, *loved* them, and both the MGM film and Disney's 'Return' with Fairuza Balk are permafavourites of mine. A good Oz adap or reference pushes my happy button, and a bad one gives me the red mists. Great episode as always. I'm pushing your stuff as hard as I can on anyone who'll sit still, because you definitely deserve more love. Stay awesome, Diva.

[@amandalynn4979]

How do you feel about Wicked?

[@Furore2323]

@@amandalynn4979 They don't let povs see musicals. Also ha ha what, this is from five years ago you lovable kook.

[@amandalynn4979]

@@Furore2323 (Yay, I've reached loveable look status) We've all scrolled through the YT comments as the video plays. 😅

[@HopelessRomantic999]

Okay, the fact that they pretty much scammed people makes me like this movie less. And yeah, China Princess sucks. If I were Dorothy, I'd ditch her.

[@Tanukitsune2]

I always get a bit upset when they make a sequel to Oz ignoring all the books. :\

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

Tanukitsune at least we have return to oz movie, that is very close to the book

[@willlyon7129]

Let’s just say that Return to Oz was a much better sequel than this shit show.

[@amandalynn4979]

But....Wicked.....

[@Tanukitsune2]

@@amandalynn4979 That's different, since it takes place in the past it doesn't ignore the books.

[@Kahran042]

"Can Narnia sue for universe infringement?" No, because TV Tropes has a whole page for examples of Year Inside, Hour Outside.

[@christinamatney9747]

I am wondering why Glinda is smiling and laughing when she's brought captive before the Jester? Kinda takes all of the threat away from the villain...

[@angelabryant9766]

Okay, this movie might be shit, but I will give it this: 'Where once your living soul did dwell, now is nothing but an empty shell!' is an AWESOME spell phrase.

[@QJ89]

I have learned three things today: - 'The Emoji Movie' is no longer the worst film Mr. Stewart has been in this decade. - 'Oz, The Great And Powerful' is no longer the worst thing based on the Oz Mythos this decade (nor does it have the most annoying China Girl). - That this Thing exists and I didn't know until now. Thanks, Diva!

[@BovineDesigns]

"THAT'S. COMEDY!!!" -Martin Short, We're Back: A Dinosaur Story

[@CrimesAgainstHuFranity]

Nobody: Literally Nobody: Not Even A Single Soul: Not Even Animat: Puppet Glinda: *hElLo dOrOtHy OwO* Animat: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[@BurningEmbersX12]

i have to agree if Glinda could send her back via rainbow why couldn't she do that the first time? Was Dorothy not rainbow compatible until she went to OZ the second time with a rainbow? then that would raise another question, Could Glinda have just sent her back with another tornado the first time? seriously its just makes no sense.

[@magnetoonproductions9541]

Those Carole Brothers and Kaufman scammed those investors out of their nest eggs? Out of all the sleazy things in the industry, this is one of the worst.

[@96melike]

17:50 But he has a pretty singing voice.

[@DragonKirby]

Yeah but it doesn't feel necessary due to how little time they had to character develop

[@adrianschagerl4486]

You had Berrnadette Peters and didn't give her a song!!!!!!!???? FAILED!

[@cutiepuppy4427]

Wiser: WInnie-The-Pooh he is not.

[@alexmeyer5260]

+Gillian Quigley In real life, no owl could possibly be that obese.

[@HopelessRomantic999]

More like Cedric from King's Quest V merged with Kaepora Gaebora from Legend of Zelda and the annoying owl fusion ate Winnie the Pooh, giving us the unhelpful glutton of an owl who never shuts up known as Wiser.

[@andrewollmann304]

HopelessRomantic999 "Oo-hoo! Look out, Dorothy. Some pooooi-sonous candy!" (I hate Cedric!)

[@xylopiano3]

I dunno, Diva. Maybe it's just because I have an affinity for jesters in general, but I thought the Jester here was a cool antagonist. In fact, my real problem is with the realtor character... The Jester is portrayed as somewhat tragic, being mostly bitter because his sister cursed him. The realtor, on the other hand, is just a shallow, jerkface con man who exists only to be a "bad guy". Shouldn't "and you were there" characters be related to their fantasy counterparts? It would have been interesting if the realtor was also bitter, a guy who enjoys condemning houses because he hates people in general due to some incident in his past. But Dorothy tries to convince him that he doesn't HAVE to destroy houses, that they can be fixed. Maybe, unlike with the Jester, the realtor actually listens to her and has a change of heart. Wouldn't that make for a better ending?

[@hecatejones4038]

Xylo Piano Honestly, one of this film’s flaws is that the writing is rather half-baked. I’d watch your version in a heartbeat, though.

[@k1zm3t]

ah yes the main antagonist of Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return *_Jevil Deltarune_*

[@bryanegelhoffsanimationtec257]

I wasn't expecting Animat to show up. It only makes this video even better!

[@timothymclean]

Why couldn't Centineo take the mature route and blame his film's failure on some surface-level detail, like maybe say that audiences weren't interested in classic literature anymore or that light-hearted fantasy was a dead genre? (Or accept that his work failed on its own merits, but _nobody_ in the entertainment industry takes that route.)

[@nibirumul8754]

Watching this makes me wonder if the writers have read any of the other Oz books. L. Frank Baum wrote a total of fourteen Oz books (and Oz was continued by other authors after his death), and yet all the Oz sequels I see usually have nothing to do with what happens in the later Oz books. And in the books Oz is definitely real - it's not a dream like in the MGM film. Dorothy even moves there permanently in the sixth book, and so do Auntie Em and Uncle Henry. Other American kids go to Oz in the later books.

[@wanderinghuntress8645]

Why is Marshmallow dude a Canadian South Park character?

[@ilikecurry2345]

With the voice of Sir Patrick Stewart!?

[@bloodrunsclear]

It's sad you could easily brush past the fact that the tree-trunk was voiced by Patrick Stewart!

[@willlyon7129]

9:37 And I thought that Return to Oz was way more fucked up than this

[@Rickettson]

What, no Scooby-Doo joke? The villain would have gotten away w it too, if not for that meddling kid and her dog!!

[@atomicwrongs]

"Good thing that never happens in the real world! Imagine how many people would abuse their fame and power to get away with breaking the law!" ... *OOF.* Diva spitting hellfire. Also aww, poor AniMat

[@ilikecurry2345]

Holy crap, I just noticed! The part where the voice actors are credited also shows items associated with the characters they portray!

[@DesperoVitae]

At the exact moment that Sin #5 appeared on my monitor, someone outside my apartment let out a terrified scream. I'm not as weirded out as I am amused and super weirded out.

[@masterzillagaming2963]

If you thought that puppet was creepy then you have not seen gravity falls

[@DragonKirby]

Yeah watch summerween

[@babyyoshi3099]

What part of Gravity Falls? There was nothing even close to the scariness of that puppet in Gravity Falls.

[@reasyrandom]

@@babyyoshi3099 You clearly haven't seen Weirdmageddon...

[@babyyoshi3099]

@@reasyrandom Weirdmageddon was not scary.

[@reasyrandom]

@@babyyoshi3099 I had to stop watching the show for 3 days. Bill rearranging people's faces is the stuff of nightmares.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Aw, geez, Sir Patrick, you're better than this!!!

[@alexmeyer5260]

You think this is bad, watch him as the Poop Emoji in The Emoji Movie. While his role is really small, you have to wonder how much money was offered to him for him to say yes.

[@princeorii7815]

I sense someone's a wicked fan. lord forbid they make a movie of that.

[@MusicalHell]

+JaKoB Martin Oh, the almost certainly will--it's too successful a show for Hollywood to pass up. Whether or not they can make a good movie out of it remains to be seen.

[@KittyxGrimm]

+JaKoB Martin As long as Kristen Bell plays Glinda, I'll be as happy.

[@KittyxGrimm]

Amber Shaffette I think Idina is a bit too old for the role now, too old for anyone to believe she’s a student, anyway. Samantha Barks might be a good choice, though.

[@KittyxGrimm]

Amber Shaffette She’s mostly well-known for playing Eponine in the filmed version of Les Mis, but she’s also covered Defying Gravity with the help of Edina herself.

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell how would you feel about Idina Menzel playing Elphbia hypothetically

[@HarmonyHope7534]

It is really distracting the the Jester has the same voice as The Cat In The Hat from The Cat In The Hat Knows A Lot About That.

[@p.terodactyl6848]

"...while he uses his sticky candy body to patch the princess together." Wow, I can honestly say I never thought I'd ever hear that sentence.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

And apparently this scam Is responsabile For Noah Centineo's career. WTF.

[@QueenCheetah]

Remember back in the day, when 'Sesame Street' had an episode with the 'Wicked Witch' as a guest star; and all the parents called in to complain so much about her terrifying their kids, that the episode has never aired since then? Something tells me they would've been fine if they'd just used this film's antagonist instead.

[@MovieFan1912]

Well, this aged brilliantly.

[@SebisRandomTech]

How did Bernadette Peters, Martin Short, Patrick Stewart, and Kelsey Grammer get dragged into this mess?

[@iwasanangryyoungman]

Well, Kelsey needed the money for his alimony payments

[@MovieFan1912]

Grunkle Stan: Money!

[@seani8698]

The production history of this movie feels like it was written by Don Bluth

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"...ahem." Look out--this demon be throwing some shade!

[@harrietamidala1691]

I am surprised you did not do a Producers reference when talking about the shyster producers of this piss flick. Seriously, this is like a real-life springtime for hitler, if it had actually gone to plan (make a flop property and run with the money).

[@MusicalHell]

harrietamidala1691 I do say "No seriously, this is a "Springtime for Hitler" deal, right?" somewhere in there....

[@petehill7280]

Can you torture AniMat some more in a future video?

[@thelegendarygitarooman8833]

Pete Hill please don't

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

Ever since I listen to the original book I really feel like the flying monkeys got shafted since in the original story they weren't evil just cursed to do the biding 3 times of whoever holds it.

[@roberttreacy8271]

I’d like to see a review of The Muppets’ Wizard of Oz.

[@sotnosen95]

I haven't seen the movie, but from what I saw, honestly I actually found the whole puppet thing more cool-creepy than OHGODKILLITNOW-creepy.

[@Flowerbarrel]

The candy trip part reminded me of a My Little Pony Grimdark story called "Something Sweet to Bite". It's about a child whose body transformed into candy after they were forced to eat it constantly, but some magical alchemy was also involved that changed her into a mindless monster. Every year she torments people on Halloween before violently attacking and then eating them, sometimes alive. Her eyes are peppermint swirls and her hair is red licorice. So thanks for reminding me of that, Dorothy's Return.

[@vectorequinox6202]

did anyone else think of Super Mario R.P.G. when she said "mallow joins the party"?

[@80MWH]

9:06 That is most definitely my biggest gripe about anything Oz-related. Besides, wasn't it largely by dumb luck that Dorothy ended saving the land in the MGM film anyways? She accidentally kills the Wicked Witch of the East, and even the killing of her sister is an accident too.

[@CatCat-xp2wr]

Lol I guess Rachel Berry finally made it out of McKinley high. Where’s her gold star ⭐️

[@joinmarch76]

I WAS gonna say have their entrepreneurial partner who owns a coffee shop be boiled in a large coffee pot for all eternity, but the fraud circle's idea of punishment sounds much more cathartic.

[@joinmarch76]

@Katie Lewis Yeah, I heard about that. Of the guys involved with getting the money, Noah's the only one I actually feel bad for. If only because his dad is an opportunistic scumbag on par with fellow fundraisers Ryan and Roland Carol and Kevin Trudeau.

[@DarkEmissary617]

If were a kid who had arguably the worst case of pupophobia, I would have been scared to death by this film, but I know a film that does a much worse job of sending kids to therapy. If you want a true terrifying puppet scene in a children's film, try Puppetino from Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night. Now that was fricken scary and I have at least conquered the fear, but for a morbid price. I practically needed therapy after that traumatizing scene.

[@justinmontana3710]

Y'know, if they really wanted to play into being creepy, they could've taken one of my favorite scenes from when Dorothy went to China country from the books, where they come across a China Clown whose a more glue than porcelain, on account of him constantly trying (and failing) to stand on his head.

[@prismavoid3764]

I was about to comment about the whole "trinity of old characters being changed by the Wizard's gifts"; while he still didn't change them in the book, the characters *thought* that he did. But then I noticed that the Tin Man has the heart-shaped clock in his heart, which was a movie-only thing (in the book, he got a heart-shaped plushie instead). This firmly sets Legends of Oz in the movie's continuity, where the characters understood the Wizard's meaning and were satisfied and happy knowing that they were always smart, emotional, and brave. So yeah, definitely a fuckup on the filmmakers' part.

[@ASProductionsLLC]

13:07 "I should put you away where you can't kill or maim us, But this is L.A., and you're rich and famous!"

[@colleen4ever]

LOL!!! That's good.

[@ZhengIsRight]

17:45 He mended the china princess with his sticky white stuff. ... I've got nothing.

[@calilovett2063]

Okay, this film sucks, but I HAVE to admit that I found the jury of peeps pretty freaking adorable.

[@gracewilliams6297]

Thanks for inviting Ani-Mat to be in the video. Ani-mat was the first movie reviewer I have ever watched. Thanks.

[@tracyallen9170]

The 1939 MGM movie is actually set in 1938 because if you look closely at the scroll the Coroner unravels it gives the day May 6, 1938. This would be nineteen years to that date since L. Frank Baum had passed away.

[@harrietamidala1691]

Dan Aykroyd's Scarecrow always reminds me of the SNL Coneheads.

[@LaineMann]

Considering that movie sucked, that's not a good thing.

[@sophersaucer7666]

"How do you think that will work for them, Nessa?" I STARTED DYING AND THEN I STARTED CRYING BECAUSE NESSA, LISTEN NESSA, I HAVE SOMETHING TO CONFESS, Uh....

[@Quackervoltz]

NO DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE. THAT PLOTLINE IS ALREADY DEPRESSING ENOUGH IN THE MUSICAL

[@MrOrcshaman]

So I finally downloaded a copy of this (because screw the people who made it giving them any money), as someone who enjoys adaptions of the oz stories, and what I realised about this, was how despite all the cringeworthy aspects, the shady directors and producers, and some of the choices, I ended feeling like this movie actually had potential, yet it was just wasted. Concepts like the underdog villain having his day, the main protagonist meeting new friends on her journey, discovering new lands, a power struggle, an irredeemable villain the hero can't save, and even creepy imagery and concepts (let's face it return to oz already hit that mark showing oz can be creepy), this one had all potential to be good, it's just the direction, acting, animation and writing choices that failed it. I watched back in the 80s the anime oz series made by Panmedia (Japan-Canadian cross brand series) which explored 4 of the main oz books, so doing retellings of the oz stories is possible with effort and giving a shit enough to make it work. It just seems the makers of this movie only cared about the money more then the presentation and charm other adaptation had.

[@sewthernbelle]

Wasn't wreck it Ralph out at this time? Seems like the candy court was a cheap knockoff of that.

[@ejl423]

It was actually 2 years after Wreck-It Ralph.

[@kieranstark7213]

Wreck-It Ralph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return (COME AT ME, TROLLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[@maximusdork3336]

17:48 Whoever was singing actually has a decent singing voice. The lyrics suck, but his voice is pretty good. I feel like I say that a lot about songs in awful movies.

[@KaminoKatie]

The puppets in this film hit different after The Owl House special, For The Future

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

Why can there be no oz sequel with scarecrow, tin man and lion as the co leads, they always get new accomplices, why can’t they just stick with the original characters

[@daniellevinson6975]

16:11 I think the Jester could be more effective at making Dorothy worried this way... If he simply turned the trio into puppets, Dorothy might think it was too late to prevent him from harming them, and then she might not feel the same level of urgency.

[@daniellevinson6975]

Personally, I can see how a seemingly sentient rainbow could scare Dorothy.

[@BestOfTsars]

L. Frank Baum is rolling at his grave.