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[@VerdantJedi]

Even with my Muslim background, I'm a Vegan first and everything else is second. 💚🌱

[@Incredible43]

You have so much patience Joey, great video. Taking a life is killing, murdering no candy coating it with traditions

[@VeganV5912]

Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural 🦠 (hint hint 🥖🍞B12 ). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!... Gorilla Genus of large African apes For other uses, see Gorilla (disambiguation). “Blackback” and “Silverback” redirect here. For other uses, see Blackback (disambiguation) and Silverback (disambiguation). Not to be confused with Guerrilla. Gorillas are herbivorous, predominantly ground-dwelling great apes that inhabit the tropical forests of equatorial Africa. The genus Gorilla is divided into two species: the eastern gorilla and the western gorilla, and either four or five subspecies. The DNA of gorillas is highly similar to that of humans, from 95 to 99% depending on what is included, and they are the next closest living relatives to humans after chimpanzees and bonobos. W. ikipedia ... Actual photos clogging up the arteries eating animals. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gonMmKB9j9BofLc .. They are Herbivores, ✅❤️😬|-_|💪🦍< are not “Omnivores” !!!!! They never have plaque !!!!! Only humans have plaque eating animals and their secretions. Heart attack is fat deposits clog in the arteries 🧟‍♂️🦠💩🍖🥓🥩🍣🍳🍗🧀🍦🥛... 🔴.... . We’ve got long long stomachs. Flat teeth 🦷. Little flat teeth 😬. We are herbivores. We act like ‘Omnivores’, get cancer and heart attack and high blood pressure and diabetes and fat deposits clog in the arteries and Alzheimer’s, is eating animals and their secretions, fat deposits !!!!! You can see the fat you eat !!!!! Meat eaters, and 🍗 and 🍖🥓 and fish and cheese et cetera, have 51% death rate, no fibre !!!! Stays in your body and rots !!!! Deodorant mask the symptoms but you still smell 🤮, your feet and shoes and socks and armpits 🤮. Vegans have 4% cancer and that’s it !!!! Lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentils and beans and potatoes et cetera !!!! Peer review science !!!!

[@VeganV5912]

Are used to weigh 65 kg eating co🧟‍♂️🦠🍖🔴rpses !!! You don’t stab your dog 😍🤗🐶🤥. Now that I’m vegan, 7 years vegan, and I don’t go to the gym, and I weigh 76 kg ✅❤️🦵💪😬. Vegan muscle !!!! And I don’t stink anymore. My feet and socks and boots and armpits all nice and clean and fresh. And I don’t stink anymore !!!! Actual pictures eating animals fat deposits clog your arteries, and plant-based diet for you, what a difference 😲 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ2xqmh_hbGMbZo ...

[@VeganV5912]

... “JeeffreyDharma, CannibaI M🔴Donald’s” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fp7UiGygi854r80 ...

[@WhyArentYouVegan]

Thank you for speaking up against animal cruelty.

[@moholah3745]

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Quran 5:3

[@Max-vd4ml]

I had no idea how foolish this vegans are!. You say they kills animals and eat them! What about the plants you killed mercilessly for your food?. Plants are living things as well what is the difference?. They produce oxygen for you just for you to kill them?. Why don’t you go to the forest and preach lion not to eat meat?. If you are alive you will consume one thing or another be it plants or animals. So if you guys are so concerned about environment why do you drive car to pollute air? Why do you wear clothes that used so much of raw materials to produce?why do you use electronics that have serious impact on environment?. The thing is if you want the world to be perfect as it is then just don’t eat anything just stay as it is just drink only water and depend only on non living things. Don’t kill mosquito when it bites you. Don’t kill any ants even by mistake. Don’t eat plants and animals based medicine. Don’t eat antibiotic and kill the microbes living inside you because you should value their life and you should respect it’s opinion and it’s right to life.

[@ponnamy]

@@Max-vd4ml Don't be a joker. Please understand the real definition of veganism, before commenting about veganism. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms, it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." Veganism is about reducing sentient animals' suffering. It is not about being perfect, which is impossible. Grow up and use a little bit of your brain before opening your mouth.

[@ponnamy]

@@Max-vd4ml "What about the plants you killed mercilessly for your food?. Plants are living things as well, what is the difference? Plants don't have a central nervous system and brain to feel pain. Use a little bit of your brain before opening your mouth.

[@someguy2819]

@ty Ty His first line was "I had no idea how foolish this vegans are!", he already brought this discussion down himself. It's fine to ask where the line is drawn, but this is phrased as an attack on veganism. If he can't even agree that the extreme end of the line is wrong, then what's the point in discussing the lesser of two evils?

[@veganelduderino9392]

it is sad that you have to tell people a living sentient being is not the same as a tomato!

[@dlwseattle]

I just love that he engaged them in the conversation using their own religion instead of just outright telling them that they were stupid and wrong like many people tend to do

[@ph_stuff]

I wouldn't blame him for taking the second approach.

[@someguy2135]

@@ph_stuff He would be justified, but it wouldn't probably be effective. As tightly as people embrase Carnism, the embrase their religion even tighter.

[@someguy2135]

@@ph_stuff Religion can convince good people to do bad things. Joey is right. This couple use their religion to justify what they want to do, which is to eat animals and what comes out of them. I am an agnostic atheist. Here is a video by an atheist advocate about veganism. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWLZiGyfiNV_gs0

[@DiahRhiaJones]

Though they are stupid and they are wrong.

[@TK-zc5wu]

@@justinteehee4358 wrong l!,

[@peachesmcgee4795]

That thing about killing an animal to complete the pilgrimage was utterly depressing to me.

[@aaliyahdiamond5227]

So is ur propaganda for a transgender depraved society

[@goddamnfaith6607]

But its true

[@lucyallsop88]

A very savage and primitive religion 😢

[@scottblack9213]

I sat in with a consultation with my GP. After 8 years of visiting this GP, she said "you need to start eating meat". I've been a vegan for 24 years. I gently rose from my seat, put on my coat and walked out the door, gently closing the door behind, without saying one word.

[@AdamSmith75th]

@@justinteehee4358 ​ if you took even a small amount of time to look, you would realise that you can obtain all of those things without eating meat. The taste of an animal has nothing to do with the point at hand

[@lereff1382]

@@justinteehee4358 for the love of god, *PLEASE* touch some grass.

[@kwimms]

Don't feed meat to the trolls... and get a better GP!

[@diaboloavocado]

@@justinteehee4358 yes, animals ARE delicious. But that is the difference between you and a vegan. You decide that your personal taste pleasure is worth causing an animal to suffer. A vegan decides that causing an animal to suffer for their pleasure isn't justified.

[@peterrayboud]

And oh so poetically, you ignore health advice from a trained health professional 😅

[@30daymissionman]

Any so called ‘religion’ that requires animal suffering is not for me. Grown adults explaining what some old book or imaginary sky fairy wants is just embarrassing

[@chuckybang]

Religion is dumb af anyways.

[@saula4668]

Couldn't agree more. I am goin to be cruel to animals because Gandalf said so.

[@30daymissionman]

@Pig torture is funny oh the trolls are out - snore

[@fredfutterfummler5106]

yeah, bible and stuff might have been great literature in the middle ages, but nowadays we have lord of the rings and game thrones. so this old fantasy book might still have its place in the book shelf for collection purposes maybe, but its mostly obsolete.

[@30daymissionman]

@@fredfutterfummler5106 Science and evolution is a pretty big debunk aswell

[@chasetheidea]

As an ex-Muslim from Pakistan and now a vegan, I do feel shame for eating animals. Animals are sentient beings that too have bonds, emotional case and relationships. We’ve been desensitised of animal welfare because they’re being treated as commodity by the regressive religion and tradition, perpetuated by capitalism.

[@navheer4916]

I’m an ex-Sikh from India. I also did not agree with dairy being served in gurdwaras and mandhirs.

[@rainedyani8505]

❤️

[@TruthHurts0]

What made u leave

[@nellarakel4514]

So proud of you!!! Well done. 💚🌱

[@onomatopoeia6787]

Kudos for leaving the Captive-reping, pedophilic, wife-beating cult. Hope you work to make other Ex-Muslims , first make them Ex-Muslims then u can make them vegan.

[@Oracle_Speaks]

People are such hypocrites it is very sad, and the fact she thought it was funny at the end is terrible.

[@nellarakel4514]

Agreed with you. People make me sick.

[@marielyebra3343]

Always gets to me when strangers or acquaintances laugh, or make a joke, about facts to hide their own insecurities.

[@minimal-vegan]

That was cringe 😬 🌱🖖🏼

[@Levon2464]

They do this so they can cope

[@Max-vd4ml]

I had no idea how foolish this vegans are!. You say they kills animals and eat them! What about the plants you killed mercilessly for your food?. Plants are living things as well what is the difference?. They produce oxygen for you just for you to kill them?. Why don’t you go to the forest and preach lion not to eat meat?. If you are alive you will consume one thing or another be it plants or animals. So if you guys are so concerned about environment why do you drive car to pollute air? Why do you wear clothes that used so much of raw materials to produce?why do you use electronics that have serious impact on environment?. The thing is if you want the world to be perfect as it is then just don’t eat anything just stay as it is just drink only water and depend only on non living things. Don’t kill mosquito when it bites you. Don’t kill any ants even by mistake. Don’t eat plants and animals based medicine. Don’t eat antibiotic and kill the microbes living inside you because you should value their life and you should respect it’s opinion and it’s right to life.

[@FruityHachi]

that was disappointing that she came back just to say she’ll continue to eat animals 😔

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Nasty people

[@prettynoose888]

Cold-hearted woman and she's most likely going to raise children.

[@FURYBrenton]

Karma will get them. Hope one dies for cancer and the other heart disease. Selfish pricks

[@Max-vd4ml]

I had no idea how foolish this vegans are!. You say they kills animals and eat them! What about the plants you killed mercilessly for your food?. Plants are living things as well what is the difference?. They produce oxygen for you just for you to kill them?. Why don’t you go to the forest and preach lion not to eat meat?. If you are alive you will consume one thing or another be it plants or animals. So if you guys are so concerned about environment why do you drive car to pollute air? Why do you wear clothes that used so much of raw materials to produce?why do you use electronics that have serious impact on environment?. The thing is if you want the world to be perfect as it is then just don’t eat anything just stay as it is just drink only water and depend only on non living things. Don’t kill mosquito when it bites you. Don’t kill any ants even by mistake. Don’t eat plants and animals based medicine. Don’t eat antibiotic and kill the microbes living inside you because you should value their life and you should respect it’s opinion and it’s right to life.

[@Max-vd4ml]

@@prettynoose888 the thing that’s wrong about you is that you think whatever you do is right and whatever other do is wrong. Grow up and look at the wider point of view

[@herbivoressingh732]

Sacrificing an animal for religion just sounds like Devil worship.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

That's exactly what it is, depicting God as the Devil.

[@Theloverboy2987]

They are both not the sharpest tool in the shed . They can’t comprehend simple logic. They deserve eachother.

[@monkeydluffypvp]

didn't expect much of her, being with a vegetarian for 5 years and not even stopping to consume meat in all those years, the ending didn't surprise me

[@veryveganmom]

They were kind hearted but showed a lot of willful ignorance. Exactly right what you said, it's always the religious ones that pick and choose which parts of their religion they want to follow. Great outreach Joey, you were so nice to them and addressed all their arguments with so much knowledge. I think they will change.

[@angelocarantino4803]

As a Christian vegan I find a lot of people are token followers who don't really believe. Sad. They simply go along for select perks

[@veryveganmom]

@@angelocarantino4803 Very true. Thank you for being vegan.

[@Max-vd4ml]

I had no idea how foolish this vegans are!. You say they kills animals and eat them! What about the plants you killed mercilessly for your food?. Plants are living things as well what is the difference?. They produce oxygen for you just for you to kill them?. Why don’t you go to the forest and preach lion not to eat meat?. If you are alive you will consume one thing or another be it plants or animals. So if you guys are so concerned about environment why do you drive car to pollute air? Why do you wear clothes that used so much of raw materials to produce?why do you use electronics that have serious impact on environment?. The thing is if you want the world to be perfect as it is then just don’t eat anything just stay as it is just drink only water and depend only on non living things. Don’t kill mosquito when it bites you. Don’t kill any ants even by mistake. Don’t eat plants and animals based medicine. Don’t eat antibiotic and kill the microbes living inside you because you should value their life and you should respect it’s opinion and it’s right to life.

[@angelocarantino4803]

@@Max-vd4ml HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@theveganferret9012]

@@Max-vd4ml A moment of silence for all the plants ruthlessly murdered...a moment of silence for the lack of a nervous system poor plants don't possess. :[[[[[

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

"You can sacrifice someone else without their permission" PERFECT way to represent what they would be doing if they chose animal sacrifice. Lovely work, Joey!

[@veganforlife4699]

You can't*

[@Max-vd4ml]

Yeah just like how you sacrifice your plants without their permission. Just like how you kill mosquitoes, just like how you kill microbes by eating medicine when you are sick. You are as cruel if not worse than them

[@cloudysensation8406]

Very well done :> I love how you shift your approach based on who you're talking to, it's great. This is what effective activism looks like

[@okay_813]

That was so weird at the end. With how the conversation ended I thought they had a solid chance of trying veganism. But it was still a fantastic conversation and they'll probably keep thinking about. Still time for them to come around.

[@someguy2135]

I agree! I hope that she was only trying to "win" the debate, as so many debates I have with meat eaters go. They think that the fact that I haven't convinced them to switch means that they won the debate. It does not. I debate in the comments section here, and on Reddit, and I do so more for others reading the thread than for my opponents.

[@Trolloftruth]

@@someguy2135 and just exactly what is YOUR definition of winning the debate? It's certainly not just for people viewing comments!! That's absurd

[@Trolloftruth]

@@someguy2135 and just exactly what is YOUR definition of winning the debate? It's certainly not just for people viewing comments!! That's absurd

[@Trolloftruth]

@@someguy2135 and just exactly what is YOUR definition of winning the debate? It's certainly not just for people viewing comments!! That's absurd

[@someguy2135]

@@Trolloftruth You- "what is YOUR definition of winning the debate?" Winners of debates are usually determined by a judge or a panel of judges. I can safely assume that you voted that Joey lost the debate. So far, 777 people have liked the video, so I would say he won 777 to 1.

[@TomJudson]

Thank you for another great video, Joey. I get so frustrated with my friends and family who claim to know that factory farms are wrong, but have no inclination to stop subsidizing them. I feel like I’m banging my head against the wall. So it’s good to see you really out in the world making a difference.

[@CicoinTokyo777]

Same bro.. they will never change

[@erelpc]

That woman really showed her true colours to think it was funny to come back and make a joke like that, a subject which Joey and many people obviously feel very strongly about. At first I thought she showed the potential to make the connection and eventually go vegan, until seeing that part at the end; now I'm not so sure.

[@trulyyoursish]

and the guy that was vegetarian went back to eating meat? huh?

[@chrisogrady28]

Religious people are so hard to talk to, you did so well being so patient and explaining things from their perspective here

[@VSM101]

Not really explain the logic behind the philosophy behind Vegan them just dont criticise their God for no reason its simple.

[@Mondomeyer]

You're right. In my experience, they just shout GOD over everything you try to say. Not these two though. That shows that they already agree.

[@someguy2135]

Kudos for Joey to include the last part of this video instead of editing it out. Sad, but it helps us see the powerful effect of Carnism.

[@minimal-vegan]

Indeed! 🌱🖖🏼

[@aubs965]

Your angles are on point Joey. Always giving me new things to say!

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Thank you!

[@aubs965]

@@JoeyCarbstrong much love!

[@someguy2135]

Same here. I learned a few new things for my debates and outreach in just this one video! For example-"When you look in the eyes of an animal, there is someone in there." That makes the argument that plants and animals are no different obviously so wrong. I also loved going to the basics with- "Do unto others as you would have done to you."

[@aubs965]

@@someguy2135 I liked that one too about someone being in there. It's inarguable and basic too. What really got me is when the guy said he was vegetarian and Joey said to the girl "your beef might have come from his dairy" and now I just want to be in a situation with a vegetarian so I can work that in lol!

[@minimal-vegan]

@@someguy2135 yeah, Joey has been saying that “someone’s in there” or “there’s a subject (experiencing life in it’s o own way)” for a little while now. And I’ve used it since as well 👌🏼 As an adult, I also spell out the “golden rule” way more often than I ever thought that I would have to as a teenager 😩🤌🏼 🌱🖖🏼

[@jackmichaelpeter]

Dumb is a word that keeps coming to mind

[@vooligan9499]

What a genuinely beautiful conversation. It's such a shame that she came back at the end and doubled down. However, I feel like she wouldn't have came back to tell you unless she cared what you think, which means she DID listen and take in the information. Maybe next time she eats an animal she'll truly reflect on the conversation. As for him, I believe he'll keep researching, he's clearly very switched on and interested and will likely learn for himself and change eventually. 🙂

[@Psychobill93]

I understood it the same way.

[@yaiirable]

I'm an ex Muslim vegan, when I'm talking to my mum - I find it a lot more constructive to sidestep the debate about religious details.

[@Dominus_Augustus]

"I want to be moral, but the largely immoral religion I've chosen is telling me that I should be immoral, so I'm at a bit of an impass."

[@mairzydoats4879]

Wrinkles tho 🤣

[@freshairkaboom8171]

Tomato tho

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Farting all day tho

[@ronbright2207]

@@gy5rffg5rf 😅👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ronbright2207]

@@x-latetv-x6816 late tv lives on coke, crisps and meat, when you get one of those pesky diseases let us know 😅

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@ronbright2207 will you be around in 60 years so I can notify you of nothing happening

[@robinwallace7097]

I feel like when these halal rules were written, they only meant sacrifice as in "give them something you have" as opposed to "kill an animal," and it's been misinterpreted ever since. People thought animals were necessary back then and worth more than plants.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

The roots actually go back to demonic animal sacrifice from the Levites, not anything to do with God. Unfortunately these holy books have all been infiltrated and rewritten to portray God as the devil in many passages.

[@jadhajali2804]

well back in the day, those who had 'meat' were considered wealthy; and it was more of a "sacrifice your food / profit, in order to feed the poor" You can do that just fine in 2022, without animals. There is a big bold line between religion that is applicable to all times and all civilizations, and tradition / culture that is only applicable to certain areas / groups. And muslims in general, tend to blur the line so much that they misrepresent the religion, and misquote god. As a muslim vegan myself, it makes me extremely sad. Specially, that I know 100% that god wants us to be vegans. Which is why there is a verse in the quran that says essentially " animals are like you humans, they form tribes and communities". Just to prove to humans, that animals are like them, and the only time you're ever allowed to kill a being ( human or animal ) is for survival, trading a life for a life; That's it!!

[@Lucy-uv4hv]

I'm always impressed by how well you speak to religious people about the ways veganism can help them live more in line with their religious values. It's a real skill to be so in-tune with other people's perspectives!

[@hadi_alnabati]

Except that it doesn’t actually make them be in line with their religious values, because if those said values existed in the first place then they would be vegan.

[@InfamousNapkin]

Quite rude of her to come back at the end and smugly "rub it in your face" like its some joke. People are the worst part of being human.

[@CEarthling]

Even Compassionate Muslims I don't know why fail to acknowledge Pain of Animals, they just give excuses in name of Religion.

[@nellarakel4514]

That’s right.

[@aaliyahdiamond5227]

Stop being racist Christian ls eat meat too u ignorant narcissist

[@nellarakel4514]

@@aaliyahdiamond5227 Who said I was referring to animals? Call me a racist I don’t mind. I believe what I believe. Sorry that people continue to exit from your religion, but they’re smart in my eyes. 😉

[@aaliyahdiamond5227]

@@nellarakel4514 ur race are still joining it lol - fastest growing religion in the world unlike ur devilish cult losing 80% of its patriarchs!! Haaa!

[@nellarakel4514]

@@aaliyahdiamond5227 Fastest growing in the world? What do you expect when your Kuran tells you to marry many wives and breed in multiples? What a dirty way to grow and take over. It’s true what they say…. “Shit is everywhere, but good things are rare.” 😘

[@annmariesavingthevoiceless4461]

I was married to a Muslim in morocco and I turned up on the month eid. I'll never unsee what I saw goats baby cows lambs killed in the street even in houses my ex husbands family has a sheep to kill I was crying called them the devil and more. I went to a hotel until my flight home and cancelled his visa. But I still went back to help the street dogs for 3 years.

[@VerdantJedi]

I'm a muslim vegan and I applaud you for your bravery and sincerity towards the animals!

[@fletcha11]

THANK YOU!! So much love & respect💚💚

[@Jeanne7774]

What did they say to you when you called them the devil? I stayed with the family of my muslim husband in Palestine and I don't eat animals, something they could not understand, they asked why not, when I said it's murder they said "But God says we can".

[@thegenius8817]

The uncomfortable truth is we be been told that Muslims vs Jews vs Christians as if there’s one group that’s good and one group that’s bad…. When the reality is all the mainstream religious leaders have an appetite for abusing / raping/ murdering innocent vulnerable beings FOR NO REASON other than taste. Fucck your b12 , it’s a scam to weaken veganism wake up joey ffs

[@timothylombard1510]

@Homie you can get B12 from a range of fortified plant-based foods (some plant-based milks, marmite, nutritional yeas) and fermented foods (kimchi, kombucha) or simply by supplementing. I'm vegan now for 4 years and my B12 is in the healthy range (as per my bloodwork results)

[@mairzydoats4879]

What the heck kind of "jokes" were those supposed to be?

[@maksymilianczaplejewicz190]

Funny ones

[@mazi2646]

I like that they are seriously interested and asking questions. But cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

[@rozatruchinski247]

I always think it's so obvious that Joey is a living breathing example of what being vegan looks like. Why so many dumb questions all the time?

[@lauraz8349]

That was a sad ending. Still, I suspect that seeds were planted

[@py16667]

It’s always more halal to not slaughter any animal, most Muslims are still buying factory farmed & abused animals that shouldn’t be considered halal regardless of how they were slaughtered anyway

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

That's the same for alot of religion's.

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

People are mega hypocrites.

[@nathankerr7830]

They may not use the word "kill" but use "sacrifice" instead to make it sound more palatable and holy, and say if God is cool with it, it cannot be wrong, but God says that no animals shall be overworked or abused, in the modern world livestock is subject to constant abuse from birth, mother's are completely overworked as a production line giving birth as often as possible until they are spent and are of no further benefit,

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Nothing holy about devil worship and demonic animal sacrifice. They worship Lucifer.

[@goobyb3632]

I love how relentless you are with animal rights thank you for your work you’ve certainly changed my life.... please if ever the work gets overwhelming take a break because you deserve it you’ve been so open and consistent its okay once in awhile to enjoy yourself 💕 love your content Joey thanks for all you do

[@KillersWalkFree]

If your God is okay with needless killing... how bad can the devil really be?

[@thelamb86]

very good point!

[@garibaldi54]

@@OM617a All of them are.

[@michaelfinn3885]

@@garibaldi54 No they're not.

[@garibaldi54]

@@michaelfinn3885 Name one religion that isn't? To do so you'll need empirical proof of the existence of its God.

[@garibaldi54]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Again - evidence? Something you dont seem to understand the concept of.

[@roselaura-gracesing4968]

You did great Joey! Good communication. If they are not ready they are not ready. When it hit me and I made the connection of how hypocritical I was being I was devastated and it changed me to my core! It is a huge shift so I can understand if they are not ready. Good work though Joey.

[@totezmcgotez44]

THIS guy didn’t just ask about protein, right? lolol

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

It's funny because he is maybe 5x weaker than joey.

[@VerdantJedi]

@@ARKSURVIVOR879 LMAO XD

[@CarTa3]

Hurry up joey get to the point! I was getting anxious for you to tell them that "organic" does fuck-all to help the animals even though they clearly think it does.

[@a.w.o.l.productionsmusic]

I’m an afghan vegan, imagine that. Seems like these two were Persian, know a couple Persian vegans here too In Toronto. I used to be a butcher 😭

[@ponnamy]

Interesting. Are you serious?

[@a.w.o.l.productionsmusic]

@@ponnamy About which part? All of it yes.

[@ponnamy]

@@a.w.o.l.productionsmusic Hi, my question was about ethnicity. What caused you to become a vegan?

[@brandonlawn4762]

I feel like the way you promote veganism is a much more effective way than most. Being educated on what you are talking about, making a scene (your controversial signs) and staying respectful. I think it’s such a good way to argue your point if you have the confidence to.

[@DiahRhiaJones]

You should learn to spell "effective" before you go around telling activists what is or isn't.

[@brandonlawn4762]

@@DiahRhiaJones Oh my bad 🤦‍♂️ What do you think is the most effective way?

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@brandonlawn4762 I don't have the information to inform my opinion one way or the other, and neither do you or anyone else making claims about effectiveness. So you shouldn't be making the claim.

[@brandonlawn4762]

@@DiahRhiaJones I diddnt claim anything was a fact or not? I’ve simply watched this video and the way he expresses his opinion and expressed my opinion that it seems very effective. I think it’s a bit close minded if you think you need loads of information to express your opinion about a KZbin video.

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@brandonlawn4762 "I feel like the way you promote veganism is a much more effective way than most." What does this sentence mean?

[@linzertube]

Joey, you have such patience. You’re so awesome!

[@nellarakel4514]

He definitely does. I don’t. 😂💚🌱

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

It's crazy the amount of patience he has

[@ponnamy]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Thanks for helping KZbin's algorithm to promote this vegan channel. I admire your dedication.

[@stewartmoore5158]

They were misinformed on several points, but they were at least willing to have a relatively reasonable discussion. Gotta give credit where credit is due, just in case they see these comments.

[@Chloe-w7n]

I love to have Tofu fried in a carbon steel wok, delicious, easily replaces animal meat. The fact people will murder an innocent animal is disgustingly vile and cruel! The woman is very selfish, doesn't care about animals suffering.

[@nellarakel4514]

She’s extremely selfish. She was more concerned about “getting wrinkles” at an early age rather than the well-being of an innocent animal. There are many solutions to avoiding wrinkle’s. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@nellarakel4514]

@@Max.Resilience Have you any idea the nutritional side of Tofu? Obviously not. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@nellarakel4514]

@@Max.Resilience lol…. Well quite often the most healthiest things to eat never taste as good as the bad things to eat. 😘

[@thebowandbullet]

I realize asking religion to make sense is pretty futile, but why would a *_benevolent_* God make animals sentient and capable of feeling fear and pain, and yet ask humans to exploit, kill and eat them? It makes no sense, unless it's an *_evil_* God. God also gave humans free will so that humans can make ethical decisions, didn't He? Stop using religion to justify evil. It doesn't. No matter your beliefs, *_you_* are responsible for your own actions and to make ethical choices.

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

Basically, that god doesn't exist - or if it does, it's a fearful and monstrous entity. I often think many people who parrot their appalling religious scripts, are essentially in collusion with a narcissistic introject. A bully essentially, that hijacks individual agency through fear. Having come out of religion, I still have the hooks inside that pull at me. It's all based around fear, cloaked by a pretence of "love". An abusive relationship essentially and incredibly challenging to extricate/exorcize.

[@Uzumaki_Naruto061]

Because Allah is not benevolent, he is fearsome and terrifying, he is evil, he orders to not only slaughter animals but slaughter all those who do not believe in him

[@teresajose2280]

There is no religion that condones the suffering and killing of others.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Unless you consider Luciferianism and devil worship religions.

[@davidformosa3114]

The last resort - "invisible person in the sky tho"!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - brilliant work Joey!!

[@crisarkgoth]

Highest respect for you! It’s beyond my understanding how you’re not a serial killer by now with all those “specimens”.

[@Menosfilms]

People always argue “we buy organic so they’re treated way better” but if they did actual research they would find out they don’t get treated any better. They just label it organic and make you pay more just for the stamp. Makes these people righteous.

[@garibaldi54]

Dude thinks he's going bald because of B12, I guess Dwayne Johnson isn't eating enough meat?

[@garibaldi54]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Again, mankind will never not fight wars, keep slaves or rape and murder. What is your point? Do you have an inability to answer questions?

[@garibaldi54]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 So you do have an inability to answer questions, AKA having no argument AKA losing a debate.

[@garibaldi54]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 If you cant answer the question you lose, can you dig it?

[@garibaldi54]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Whats the vegan endgame?

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

Pacman mcgayman 😂😂😂

[@kjs1069]

Top one Joey. The kingpin argument here was people's god given conscience/empathy not feeling right by default regarding animals being treated cruely & killed. There's no better evidence than that for someone purporting to be religious. I think Joey really touched home with that with them. Couple that with the Golden rule & its checkmate.

[@eduardrodriguezlopez2356]

Fucking love how joey used their faith against them. Abslutely genious.

[@nellarakel4514]

YESSSS definitely. He’s an amazing man. 💚🌱👍

[@aaliyahdiamond5227]

Going yellow and dying for the animals

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

@@aaliyahdiamond5227 tell me what drugs you're on please, btw he isn't dead belive it or not.

[@aaliyahdiamond5227]

@@ARKSURVIVOR879 ask urself that and check ur criminal record too since u worship this ex con 🤮

[@ronbright2207]

@@jaspergolightley326 yup jaspo, unlike you 😂

[@jadhajali2804]

pilgrimage is one of prime examples of "tradition" and "culture", not of "religion" and "god". Once people, specifically muslims, are able to separate the two, the world would be a much better place.

[@lewisb85]

I just want to put it out there one of the most well known activists in the US animal rights movement Sean Muttaqi best known for his band Vegan Reich as well as his involvement as an activist in PETA and the ALF is a Muslim, there is also a vegan movement within Islam(ive had many discussions with the young Muslims group at the local university about "introduction to veganism"). The person in the video is trying to use their faith to justify a lifestyle choice.

[@VerdantJedi]

Ameen!

[@brettvitale3801]

Im ok with being called a vegetable exploiter and abuser... Ill accept that if meat eaters accept that they are animal exploiters and abusers

[@RobFavoTTo]

Been Veg for 29 years , she said you get wrinkley and tired how would she know she's never been vegan? Just making up nonsense.

[@VerdantJedi]

Exactly!

[@nellarakel4514]

Yep. Shes using any excuse she can. A true lover of animals will never find excuses! 💚🌱

[@thegratefulsteve]

Killing an animal, a seperate individual, is not a sacrifice. A sacrifice is when you give up something personally. It is not a sacrifice to take from others. That is selfishness not sacrifice.

[@thegratefulsteve]

I am not Muslim

[@Evil_Vegan]

their problem is; if they accept veganism as right, then that means they acknowledge that islam, everything they know their whole life, is wrong.

[@bluetinsel7099]

People take the scriptures out of context and in Genesis 1:29 it shows the original given diet was a plant based vegan diet and for the young they would be vegetarian as they drink their moms milk. So it’s people who don’t understand the scriptures and take them out of context. Also Genesis 9:4 post flood shows that flesh was never to be eaten. People twist the scriptures to their own destruction.

[@aubs965]

Not necessarily lol if they followed the Quran they would actually be vegan since Allah says that you are obligated to do everything you can to take care of the earth. Not only that but they were lying about saying you HAVE to kill animals for sacrifice or else you can't complete the pilgrimage lol. I've heard multiple sheikh's talk about how you can sacrifice something that takes from you such as donating to charities, volunteering, etc. I'm not Muslim but you are completely good to be vegan and Muslim lol all vegan food is halal after all

[@lewisb85]

But then one of the main vegan activists in the US Sean Muttaqi known for his band vegan reich but also an activist with peta and the alf/elf is a muslim. And there is a vegan movement within Islam so I think it's more using faith to justify a lifestyle stance.

[@VerdantJedi]

@@lewisb85 I'm a muslim and vegan. And yes there is a Vegan Muslim Movement and we'll do our best to reform other muslims towards veganism. That Vegan Muslim channel on youtube makes very informative content about Veganism and Islam. Check it out.

[@aubs965]

@@Evil_Vegan weird how everyone always wants to rip into Islam but never touch Christianity lol even though Christianity objectively has more violence in it's holy books. I'm not in any religion but i don't buy into brainwashes that say "Islam bad, Bible good" lol all religions are bad

[@MB-gm6kg]

At the time of the Prophet (pbuh), non-human animal flesh was a necessity for survival. In modern times, we can get all our nutrition from a well-planned vegan diet. So the suffering and cruelty inflicted on non-human animals is completely unnecessary. Since Islam recognises that non-human animals are sentient beings who have consciousness and subjective experience of the world (as shown by the hadith referenced below), this means we can conclude that animal flesh and other products like eggs, dairy, and even insects and honey are haraam in the modern age and that veganism is fardh/wajib for all Muslims who are practically able to go vegan. There is no moral justification for slitting the throat of an animal that does not want to die, for separating children from their mothers, for viewing animals as products to be exploited, in this modern day and age when everyone, even pregnant women and babies, can be healthy on a well-planned vegan diet. Let us emulate the mercy of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) and pay homage to Allah, the Most Merciful and Most Compassionate, by becoming vegan ourselves and advocating for our family and friends to go vegan too, inshallah. Regarding udhiyah/qurbani for eid, let us ban this barbaric practice for the sake of Allah and instead distribute healthy vegan sources of protein such as lentils, chickpeas, grains, etc. to the poor instead of the flesh of an innocent victim. May Allah guide us closer to Him. Ameen. Some references: “A good deed done to an animal is like a good deed done to a human being, while an act of cruelty to an animal is as bad as cruelty to a human being" - Mishkat Al-Masabih --------------------------------------------------- "A group of companions was once traveling with Muhammad when he left them for a while. During his absence, they saw a bird with its two young, and they took the young ones from the nest. The mother bird was circling above in the air, beating its wings in grief, when Muhammad came back and said, ​"Who has hurt the feelings of this bird by taking its young? Return them to her."" - Sunan Abu Dawud --------------------------------------------------- The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, ’Once a man suffered from thirst while he was walking on a journey. When he found a well, he climbed down into it and drank from it. Then he came out and saw a dog lolling its tongue from thirst and licking the ground. The man said, “This dog has suffered thirst just as I have suffered from it”. He climbed down into the well, filled his shoe with water, and caught it in his mouth as he climbed up. Then he gave the dog a drink. Allah appreciated this deed, so He forgave him’. [Sahih Al-Bukhari] --------------------------------------------------- Abdullah ibn Jafar (ra) reported, ’The Prophet (saw) entered a garden among the Ansar. When a camel saw the Prophet (saw), it started weeping and making sounds as its tears flowed. The Prophet came to it and patted it on the head, so it became silent. The Prophet said, “Who is the master of this camel? To whom does it belong?” A young man from the Ansar came and said, “This is mine, O Messenger of Allah”. The Prophet said, ”Do you not fear Allah regarding this animal that Allah has put into your possession? For indeed, she has complained to me that you keep her hungry and tired”’. [Sunan Abu Dawud] --------------------------------------------------- Allah says, ‘And there is no creature on the earth or bird that flies with its wings except that they are communities like you…’ [The Noble Quran 6:38] Al-Qurtubi (rh) commented on this verse, ‘They are groups like you in that Allah the Exalted has created them, provides for them, and makes justice between them. Thus, you should not wrong them or transgress the limits that you have been commanded’. [Al-Jami li-Ahkam al-Qur’an] --------------------------------------------------- The Messenger of Allah (saw) taught us, ’Once there was a prophet who was resting under a tree when an ant bit him, so he ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath it (the tree) and the ant’s dwelling burned with fire. Allah revealed to him: ”A single ant has bitten you, yet you have destroyed a nation that glorifies Allah?“′ [Sahih Al-Bukhari]

[@inharmonywithearth9982]

I have never had any problem absorbing B12 from my lifetime plant diet. I eat wild mushrooms and they say they are full of b12. My two horses live exclusively on grasses and clovers and neither of them have ever had b12 deficiency either. It is all about your body manufacturing it like my horses do. They have only one stomach like we do. My Mother's doctor told her they treat exclusive meat eaters for b12 deficiency alot. As a matter of fact my moms doctor has never treated a vegan for anything. I have never had a medical problem at 57 years of age.

[@Dribbles88]

Looks like she wasn't good people. What a shame. :/

[@religionofpeace782]

Animal sacrifice in religions is a symbolic gesture. When a messenger of God talks about sacrificing animal, he means that you need to sacrifice the animal characteristics within you and elevate your consciousness to higher levels. Not to take a knife and cut an animals throat. The most ridiculous interpretation of scriptures have destroyed innocent animals lives.

[@DominionMovementDotOrg]

the lies and greed from animal abusing industries and individuals goes way back. convincing people to abuse animals is a con and if you go along or do that to others it’s a sin and you’re not a good person

[@Lifter4life217]

Been vegan 8 years I’m fine lol

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

No YoU aReN't YoU aRe NoT. HoOmOnS aRe OmNiVoReS.

[@maksymilianczaplejewicz190]

Ok nobody ever said you couldn't be a vegan

[@paulb8251]

18 years here 😊 perfectly healthy and thriving. I get told every year I will be sick yet still running ultramarathons and lifting heavy in the gym.

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

@@paulb8251 good job!

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

@@maksymilianczaplejewicz190 loads of people say that

[@HeIsZee]

You flippin nailed this Joey, one of the most composed and well put across I’ve ever seen you be… keep smashing it man big love ❤️

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

I appreciate that! Thank you 🙏

[@joshwong800]

For any animal to be a sacrifice, they should consent to be sacrificed...THEY DO NOT CONSENT.

[@toad33332]

Gutted I didnt get to see bro when I lived in manchester. I just wanna fist bump joey for all the work he puts in. Keep it up my bro

[@VeganAtmosphere]

Love your work Joey!!!

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@benjamin7853]

"I'm a good source of B12"

[@Paperheartparticles]

Lmao I love how they’re like ‘get older sooner’ she is not wearing sunscreen 100%

[@RalphRoberts1]

Also who cares about looks if your mind is falling apart? The more plants you eat, particularly leafy greens, the less likely you are to develop things like dementia which effects more women than men but I doubt she's concerned about that.

[@ellev11]

no science just regurgitated opinions/beliefs she hears online. In the age of instant research at our fingertips, you'd think more research would be done before uttering such nonsensical things, but from the looks of it, embarrassment went out the window. When top experts can say things like plants have feelings with a straight face on national tv not realizing that if that is a fact, he'd go vegan as the animals eat waaaay more plants than vegans ever will. 😵‍💫😕

[@RalphRoberts1]

@@ellev11 it's quite disturbing indeed. But on the bright side weed just got legalized in my state so I'm gonna get high and try not to think about it for a bit.

[@ellev11]

@@RalphRoberts1 =) i think confirmation bias has reached such a toxic level as soo many are dismissing science without a thought @.@

[@RalphRoberts1]

@@ellev11 yeah and unfortunately too many people have come to not trust in science because the findings change over time. Like the age of the earth. Obviously it's going to change as newer better technology comes along we'll be better equipped to figure things out accurately. At least scientists admit when they were wrong and theyre happy to then know the truth. Also with animal agriculture industries paying for research to be done and presented in a misleading way doesn't help. People love to hear good news and accept it right away like that dark chocolate or wine is good for you. It's only dark chocolate above like 72% cocoa and certain red wines in moderation that are relatively okay and those still have their downsides. Sorry for the long ramble.

[@zanderortiz86]

Thanks again joey for sticking up for the helpless animals ✌️ if there is a heaven in the end then you definitely have a space to rest your big hart 💚 keep spreading the word and hopefully one day the surfing will stop 🙌🏻🌱💚

[@nellarakel4514]

Beautifully said Zander. Amen to that. 🙏💚🌱😉

[@Empathy4Animals411]

You can be sure there is, as hundreds of thousands have witnessed in confirmed NDEs (Near Death Experiences).

[@schmidcl77]

Yeah, so all people loosing hairs are vegan and deficient in B12 😅

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Male pattern baldness just got added to the list of 100 symptoms of B12 deficiency, that makes it 101.

[@shazzavlogs]

Spot on Joey 🙌🏻xx

[@8Prescott]

Even if plants feel pain they are designed to be eaten to spread their seeds animals aren’t!

[@Yohannisbeer]

They might not have been as interested and understanding as it seemed to be. Even though she listened and asked questions, the "jokes" at the end proved, that she chose to continue to pay for animal abuse. Sad. Sometimes, the people that seem more interested, are actually not that interested and choose to stay ignorant, while people, that get offended and outraged, may be affected more by zhe outreach than you think.

[@deisepolo]

You explained so spot on, Joey. I smiled a passerby gave ya handshake. I’m delighted. I couldn’t stop watching the two ladies at the back seem uneasy and listened to the three of you all the way. 😳😳

[@lilo4235]

Dedicated Joey Carbstrong speaker and Tarion Partridge team are exceptional on point redirecting the animal abusers back to the victims - once they know the truth they decide if they are on the right side of history or they are purposefully choosing to deny the victims rights and they are guilty of paying for the mother's and baby cows murder

[@reenapatel6812]

The strength of a religion is it's ability to evolve and adapt to the changing society and world at large. The oldest surviving religion; Hinduism has it's ancient roots in animal sacrifice, even cow sacrifice, then in the later period many deities, as documented in the scriptures hunted and ate meat. Later, with the influence of Jainism and Buddhism did vegetarianism enter the religion to the extent that vegetarianism became the norm.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

No, you forgot the Essenes and the Cathars, 100% vegan sects for animals and ethics. They were the gnostic forerunners of the Christians in 2nd Century B.C.E. They not only abstained from meat but did not believe in exploiting animals for milk or eggs.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

Muslima: If you go vegan, then you will lose muscle! Joey: 💪💪💪💪

[@shreyaaashree]

In Hinduism you should sacrifice your anger, lust, carvings, selfishness and not animals and humans. It's clearly mentioned in scriptures and I am happy that at least people of our religion don't have excuses to eat animals in the name of religion. It's actually also said to not kill innocent and harmless animals and eat them for your pleasure but you know who follows religion completely nowadays? they all will follow that it is culturally "norm" and will continue eating these harmless innocent beings. disclaimer: The mentioning about not sacrificing animals in my religion was not meant to show people that my religion is better or superior than other religion in any shape or form I just wanted to inform people this small part of my religion. Thank you.

[@sumiaahmed7182]

ONE DAY IN SCHOOL I TOLD MY TEACTHER WHY I DON'T EAT ANIMALS AND MY TEACTHER SAID IF HUMAN DIDN'T EAT ANIMALS THEY WOULD BE KILL ANYWAY

[@ellev11]

*Vegan.. the least you can do.* ⚡🌱💚🌞✌ 🌄 🤗💚⚡

[@NanocDark99]

I can do even less. Just lay in bed. But i see ur point.

[@mileyandtaylor4life]

Ur so confident doing this to tell people vegan I feel bad having dairy im trying to slowly cutting out the taste of vegan cheese is a huge difference in taste I have asd love ur videos

[@DebugYourBrain]

The way you flipped the religion objection was top tier, gonna have to use that in my outreach

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@someguy2135]

I can see that Joey is familiar enough to debate with Muslims, but their claim that animal sacrifice is required for the Haaj found his limit to the knowledge on the subject. He found a way to avoid that being a dead end to the conversation.

[@lewisb85]

@@someguy2135 There is a vegan movement in Islam, also Sean Muttaqi one of the most well known ALF/PETA activists on the US west coast is muslim, so they are just trying to justify their lifestyle choices using faith as the argument.

[@someguy2135]

@@lewisb85 Glad to hear it! I agree about their motivation. Joey was right about that.

[@John-gj9db]

Bro, Kiwi Vegan here. Some days you probably feel like you’re getting nowhere but I know from life experience if you only change one person, I’ve seen how that one person changes the next and so on. Working in a mine with a few hundred people and being the only vegan on site, it’s the annual barbecue is the place where they say “ oh you’re vegan, that’s a modern term for piss poor hunter etc etc. but when they are munching on their steak and I say “ you know eating melting can cause erectile dysfunction the whole room goes quiet 😂. Works every time. Keep up the great work brother.

[@mackbp1268]

Its funny that this person is concerned with building muscle. Love what you do.

[@anir8023]

Guys are concerned about muscles and us ladies about staying with beautiful skin

[@Martinlee91]

If a vegetarian eats only organic eggs and milk that comes from a trusted farm, they are not the same as a meat eater in my book, since the vegetarian is not really involved in the modern dairy industry. Being open minded is much more effective than gatekeeping.

[@hadi_alnabati]

No one needs to eat chickens’ menstrual periods and no one needs to breastfeed from cows 🤷‍♂️ The idea of veganism is that as long as animals and their secretions are turned into businesses and products, then cruelty is inevitable. All the animals will be sent to slaughter forcibly against their will after people stop eating their menstrual periods and stop breastfeeding from them. Vegetarianism is still very cruel. 🌱🌱

[@Martinlee91]

It's not black or white. If a vegetarian is eating eggs from their backyard chicken, cruelty is not inevitable here, since they might not ever be slaughtered. Veganism itself is not perfect and can also be harming animals, insects, the environment and people. This attitude of all or nothing is not helping veganism, in fact it does more harm than good. @@hadi_alnabati​

[@redpillpusher]

by your comment I can tell you basically have no clue.

[@seancunningham8571]

That trusted farm still does some of the unethical practices that an industrial diary farm does though, just on a much smaller scale. That’s part of the issue.

[@nickygreenfingers]

Respect for Joey for sticking up for animals

[@JordanDecay]

I think every vegan can understand how crushing it would be to be told you managed to convince someone to change their ways only to learn that they are kidding.

[@doooooomed]

The profit Carbstrong doing god's work. 😉🌱 You're amazing Joey

[@hm9181]

Religion completely distorts innate human nature. How terrifying

[@delani447]

Thank you for this. It is so important to make people aware of the inhumane treatments of beings. I have never had any deficincies with my vegan diet. There is loads of vegetables that are full of whole B vitamins-okro.

[@triptripp1873]

This was such a lovely video, your way of talking and your conversations with people give me hope

[@streetvegan]

💚💚💚💚 inspiring 💚💚💚💚

[@MrAK.144]

And Jesus said to his countrymen: "But if you had understood what the saying means (Hos 6:6): 'In mercy do I delight, and not in sacrifices', you would not have condemned the innocent." (MATTHEW 12:7)

[@hadi_alnabati]

Amen! ☺️🌱 and also Hebrews 10:4 It is impossible for the blood of animals to take away sins.

[@GTAVPCModsHD]

Wow what a conversation 👏