Muslim Explains His Belief in God as LOGICAL & REASONABLE | P1

[@EfeMuaythai]

Mashallah what a smart and respectful guy. May Allah fill his heart with Islam Inshallah.

[@zulharith1709]

“I can debate with 10 people who are knowledgeable but I will be defeated by the ignorant, because ignorant people will never understand the basic of knowledge”(Imam Syafie)

[@pjgamer5804]

yeah this is why brother Hamza is amazing cuz he didn't surrender

[@dimarakusumahakim]

​@@pjgamer5804 bro Hamzah accept anyone at first, and with patiently, but he (and we) will reject ignorant & hipocrite person in second chance.

[@alaulislam1869]

The moment you started arguing with a ignorant u have already lost Ali ibn Talib ☺️

[@jackkirkwood2316]

😂

[@syedmohamadroiesbinsyedmoh1762]

@@dimarakusumahakim yeah true.. i saw it on live.. its just pointless arguing if the man itself doesnt want to educate himself and turning on preacher mode starting to insult other religion..

[@aadihsn]

This is a master class. The flow of brother is unmatchable. Ma sha Allah

[@Speedzogian]

That moment when you think you knew the Universe until you met Hamza lol

[@AbubakarFarooqui]

may the young man get guidance to Islam as he looks very sincere

[@whitedragon7436]

That's the same guy brother Mohammad Hijab once talked to, years ago

[@MODEST500]

Yes he is the same guy . So sad he is still searching . But i mean okay

[@andydufresne4444]

This is an old video I believe, so it is on the same time when Hijab talked to him

[@omom4248]

Is this old video or recent

[@lordlordylord4281]

@@MODEST500 the fact that someone is still searching is far from sad. Maybe it just means that he's not happy with sitting back and making assumptions or putting his faith in something that he believes to be lacking in objective, empirical evidence. Some people choose to be more pragmatic and impartial rather than simply resorting to the 'something can't come from nothing, therefore (insert deity or deities here) exists' argument.

[@MODEST500]

@@lordlordylord4281 hope thats the case

[@selim_ct]

as a physics student and a muslim alhamdulillah, let me clear up the 2nd law of thermodynamics, entropy in a closed system can only ever increase or remain stagnant, this is correct. however in order for this to be the case you have to observe a closed system. as soon as you start ‚partitioning‘ what part of the system you look at, entropy can be negative for that ‚subsystem‘.

[@neardarkroad1347]

in layman term, brother?

[@selim_ct]

@@neardarkroad1347basically what this means is that you have to look at the whole system (in physics when we speak of system we mean an enclosed ‘system’ in which all the physical phenomena we wanna observe take place) and cannot divide it up and only look at one part of the system alone. i feel like this still isn’t really for a layman but i hope it’s a bit clearer.

[@shhaba6519]

Absolutely amazing man full of knowledge and expertly explains his position so others can follow.. May Allah bless and reward both these muslims for giving dawah and passing the truth and knowledge to the people.. May Allah give these brothers more knowledge so they can explain to even more people and give dawah to the masses.. Great role models and teachers.....

[@irfanahmed6411]

Dear brother hamza Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you

[@Wawasabih]

Doing dawah with such a great passion masha Allah

[@ضرارابنالازور-ز6د]

لا اله إلا الله محمد رسول الله.

[@orebrh562]

the guy just didn't want to admit to the first cause which is flawless

[@tdsdave]

Why should he ? If you can't give reasons then why should you be believed . Bare assertions are not arguments , saying there must be because there must be , is just circular nonsense.

[@adeebiqbal6745]

@@tdsdave Because he had no other explanation. It's like saying I don't have a great great great grandfather just because I didn't see him. You know you wouldn't be here if he didn't exist

[@tdsdave]

@@adeebiqbal6745 The point is how did Hamza demonstrate the first cause was the actual answer. His reasoning is based on an intuition which later he abandons. We look at the world and see causes leading to effects, so if we go back in time we expect this to continue, cause leads to effect to cause to effect on and on , back and back. Then this intuition we derive from looking at the world must stop , why, hamza does not give any good reasons . Suddenly another intuition takes over , that this chain of causes and effects cannot continue forever , why because no good reasons , and instead there must be a first cause. There is nothing compelling here, and it's obviously just a conclusion Hamza must reach because he needs to jam Allah into his explanation , but why must Allah be the explanation , there are no good reasons given by Hamza. "Because he had no other explanation. " You don't need an explanation of your own to find someone elses explanation bad. If I say some milk is missing out the fridge , and you say well the fairies took it , I'm not going to believe that terrible explanation even if I don't have an explanation where the milk actually went. "It's like saying I don't have a great great great grandfather just because I didn't see him. You know you wouldn't be here if he didn't exist" It's nothing like saying that , we are a sexually reproducing species , you have ancestors , this is not mysterious . The answer we are actually looking for is what began everything if everything began, even in your narrative this is mysterious, but you have to show your mysterious answer is the correct one , you do not get to say it is , just because the other guy does not have and explanation of his own. This is what Hamza effectively does , by bare assertion he insists other possibilities are impossible without giving good reasons , and ta dah! leaves the only answer being what he set out to prove before he even started talking to his interlocutor . It's not an argument , he's not showing other possibilities are impossible , he's just , because he must, insisting they are. Like the milk example , even if you don't have an explanation of your own , it does not mean you must accept Hamza's bad one must be believed.

[@adeebiqbal6745]

@@tdsdave Hamza is explaining the contingent cause for the universe. The chain continues and it has to stop somewhere otherwise there would be an infinite regress and existence would not be possible. Hamza specifically said this. The other guy spoke about a domino effect that he wanted to stop at a certain point just because that's all that needed to be explained, which is illogical. That's why I gave the great great great great grandfather example. God is simply the cause for the contingency that we see in the universe because he is non contingent. Atheists such as yourself usually revert back to asking the same question in a different form which is "Why your God out of 10000 religions" which is not the topic here and that's what you did in the last paragraph

[@tdsdave]

​@@adeebiqbal6745 " Hamza is explaining the contingent cause for the universe." But he had not really, how has he ruled out that the universe itself is not the necessary thing. Is the universe necessary and all it's constituents necessary, another possibility , that things could not have been otherwise at all, that contingent things really do not exist, its all necessary. ( I mention further down how you appear to be mixing up two different arguments in your statements ). "The chain continues and it has to stop somewhere otherwise there would be an infinite regress and existence would not be possible." Nothing is illogical about an infinite regress , and nothing about an infinite regress says things cannot exist, it would be an infinite regress of existent things. So infinite regresses still a possibility . "The other guy spoke about a domino effect that he wanted to stop at a certain point just because that's all that needed to be explained" Not sure if I got that from what he said , but if I accept your take on it , then I'd think that he's just saying this this would be enough to explain the universe. It seems not that different to declaring Allah is the point at which you'd want to stop explaining things. Do you have the timestamp? "God is simply the cause for the contingency that we see in the universe because he is non contingent. " You are kind of mixing arguments here , there is the first cause argument , and the contingency argument, causes and effects are not the same kind of thing as contingent and necessary things. So "cause for the contingency" is a bit ambiguous, I take it you mean God is the necessary thing from which all contingent things derive. You need reasons to cast god in the role of the necessary. A really simple necessary thing would only have the property of being this thing from which all contingent things derive, it need not be intelligent or have will , and by parsimony that is a better explanation than a god such as yours. Is it the right explanation, who knows , but it's still a possibility, it offers the explanation we need. As stated above the universe itself could be the necessary thing, again more parsimonious than a god explanation, again is it the right explanation who knows, but it offers the explanation we need.. "Atheists such as yourself usually revert back to asking the same question in a different form which is "Why your God out of 10000 religions" which is not the topic here and that's what you did in the last paragraph" I've not even mentioned other religions , so I have no idea where you read this. The possibilities as an atheists I'd offer are obviously not going to be other gods, so why would I even make references to other religions. The alternative possibilities I'm talking about are only concerned with offering an answer to the question being asked , the things I'd offer would not need any of the religious baggage you or others would want to bring to the table, they would only need to be sufficient explanations .

[@arakibhosen434]

ALHAMDULILLAH ❤️ love you guys just only sake of Allah ❤️ ALLAH bless you all ❤️ JAJAKALLA KHIRAN ❤️🙂❤️

[@shhaba6519]

Its very simple and straight forward what hamza is saying but the intellectual man is having a big problem to understand and follow the logic that hamza is putting forward. This is the problem with highly educated folk the fact they find it difficult to understand simple ideas and opinions because they over complicate the situation as this man does in this conversation with hamza and his fellow Muslim..

[@ranchoddaschanchad6230]

I totally agree with you Brother. Einstein said (just paraphrasing) , "If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough."

[@JawadBsaileh]

I'd like to put it as : they put out all the information that's scattered and try every excuse possible before understanding the simple things

[@aliounethiaw1443]

No, i think he is just challenging his belief, and that is hard to do

[@luver_of_truth]

I totally agree also, Masha Allah, credit where credit is due, brother Hamza puts the point across so well, especially infinite regression,me many years ago coming from a faithless family,I use to ponder on our existence and the the creator of the universe,and came to the conclusion as Hamza says,the cause has to be eternal and uncaused, or the universe would never have the beginning,it's just logical,so then Al hamdulillah, after coming to that conclusion,the creator must have left us guidance or we couldn't be accountable,as we wouldn't know what he wants from us,plus if he's all powerful,and all knowing,there has to be a purpose for life and death,so I was in search for the truth,so then started looking at what each religion was saying,and as soon as I read the Qur'an, every question I had from the universe's existence,to the reason why were created to eventually die,was answered,as a non Muslim,we guess and make assumptions about who our creator is,his attributes,but without his guidance that's all it is, assumptions,the Qur'an clears all that up ,its so clear in the Qur'an, which makes so much sense ,as who would know the creator better than himself,like so many who are sincere,you can't walk away from truth when it's so clearly Infront of you,and all the praise and thanks is to Allah for guiding me,

[@razakhan23465]

He's specifically defining methods of reasoning. Reasoning via empirical evidence vs reasoning via logic. Hamza's argument is 100% logical without empirical evidence is what he's saying, and is different from an argument based on empirical or even mixed reasoning. I disagree with him, however, as the empirical evidence is the starting point, where everything that starts to exist requires a cause which is taken from the observations of the known universe.

[@huzeyfebulut9138]

Share and like to get involved in the reward of the dawah!

[@assadbradley3210]

I don’t understand how he claims 99.9 % proof if he doesn’t know if the testimonies are truthful or not? He knows it’s based on reasoning but claiming it’s based on imperial evidence

[@razakhan23465]

He's specifically defining methods of reasoning. Reasoning via empirical evidence vs reasoning via logic. He's stating that empirical reasoning always has an element of doubt to it that can be asserted. A person cannot know if all of the empirical evidence is without a doubt true. However, he is stating that logical reasoning is ironclad. Hamza's argument is using 100% logical reasoning therefore the young man doesn't see where there would be any room for doubt, therefore he doesn't see how that leaves room for faith. And he stated at the beginning that he thinks God would want faith therefore he wouldn't have any reasoning of his existence that does not leave room for doubt. I disagree with him, but that is his argument. I disagree with him, however, as Hamza's argument uses mixed reasoning, where the empirical evidence is the starting point, where everything that starts to exist requires a cause which is taken from the observations of the known universe.

[@jajkc]

What’s "imperial evidence"?

[@talktothesand88]

enjoyed this. Intelligent guy he was. Best kind of debates. this kind of debate is what turns people back to God because what hamza and imran present is a much more logical argument.

[@OhManItsKam]

he still showed sound reason knowing it is logic. Guidance awaits the brother Inshallah.

[@ozeripek507]

What a great power Allah creates everything from one thing.Allahu Ekber

[@googletaqiyya184]

*In fact, when it comes to science, proving anything is an impossibility.*

[@RyanX1899]

It's true, something that was proven by Science becomes Scientific law. Based on how much phenomenon has tried to be explained by people using Science, there are very few that have actually become law. Using Science to explain things has it's limitations. You can't understand the whole universe and everything in, just by using one method of enquiry.

[@majorvita2627]

Sebatian, very smart thinker! Very pure and honest discussion.

[@perfect.stealth]

This is one of my favorites tbh. Such an interlectual conversation.

[@samueldavids3704]

10:30 was the point where the non Muslim should have arrived at the conversation. Im impressed Hamza did it in such a short amount of time. The problem is, the penny didnt drop for the atheist. Its so frustrating. Everytime...every single damn time this point arrives in any conversation I eagerly look at the face of the atheist to see how they react. Its heartbreaking to see it go over their head and completely miss it. I get mixed emotions of sometimes thinking... "were they even paying attention to the journey of the conversation"?, "do they have a fantastic poker face"?. It just blows my mind as to how they fall into one of two categories, Which are: (1) disingenuous or (2) not focussed. I feel sorry for the ones who miss it but were truly engaged in seeking the truth. Those (IMO) are the ones we have failed in giving proper dawah to.

[@ihjasaslam98]

Some People can never see things even if it is spread infront of their eyes.... Thats why allah said that its not their eyes that are blind, but thier hearts...

[@ihjasaslam98]

Thankgod,Allah gave us hidayath, if not we all are surely doomed

[@salampakistan3691]

Most people that end up jahannam, will only be there because they did not want to believe regardless of the empirical evidence and logical reasonings...you can make every logical argument or case but their mind does not allow them to accept, they have a disease and corrupt heart

[@Wotasheeep]

I was sooo frustrated too hahaha. But to be honest I was also frustrated on how hamza didn't understand what the man means by "logical" at the end. I was so frustrated that I didn't realize I've been here for almost an hour XD

[@luqman.luqman.luqman]

Seeing Hamz and the Doc makes me sad now. They are so great together

[@randomness8819]

Why?

[@maazmustafa2322]

Why? Bcoz they're getting old or some other reason?

[@macchiavelli199x]

@@randomness8819 i think he refers to the fact that Hamza doesn't appear on EFDawah channel anymore

[@1nternallyy]

Why not ​@@macchiavelli199x

[@fiyazhossain4960]

Bruh wallahi, i read “ILLOGICAL” in the thumbnail 😂

[@proficiency7751]

40:06 I know where you going I’m not going there I’m there I’ve been there from the beginning

[@gremlin4359]

The dishonesty of the agnostic (rather atheist) arguing for the sake of arguing. So stupid and deluded.

[@talktothesand88]

He isn't. Why the name calling. Set an example. Stop being emotional.

[@talktothesand88]

If he comes up with ways to challenge then that isn't being stupid. It's a good thing even if he didn't come to side with hamza. You can't expect everyone to. That's what debates are for. If you expect people to make a decision instantly just because you have is ignorant Maybe now he's spoke to hamza he can reflect on others arguments.

[@coolcat3890]

Cant did guy understand d diff between reasons or logic & proof r two different things altogetger..its so somple... D principal behind wehever reasons n proof r d same... Good work brother Hamzah, may Allah guides & bless us all n to those who r sincere & justice..

[@mdjahidhossainbhuiya3805]

Great work brother keep it up May Allah bless you.

[@Wawasabih]

Hamza. Well done. You lion.

[@dabigbamboo]

He’s saying he needs material evidence of God’s existence

[@zeezee1403]

كثر الله من امثالك 🤲 اخي حمزه 🌹💙

[@googletaqiyya184]

*With few exceptions, the best the scientific method can do is to provide very strong evidence for theories, they aren't providing proof.*

[@shahroz01]

This is so simple ..for example.. You have a circle you start running on it .when you do that we can say that there is a Start and we can't tell where this end is... Because a circle is infinite ... So the conclusion is there is a start but there is no end for it ....

[@NoorsUnpopularOpinions]

Where did the circle from? Who or what made the circle?

[@freeman7983]

Masha ALLAH

[@salinakhan869]

Mashallah

[@Ali-xq9hc]

Islam would turn this kid into a shining star his just wasting his time using western method of studying . for now inshallah become our brother in Islam. you have grit kid nice debate.

[@general302]

hamza our brother

[@sarah-janegarnell9894]

The expanding universe theory has proved that there was a starting point, that it went back to a single heavy small point science has called a singularity; for that to exist there must have been something which caused that. So that the universe could grow and expand.

[@Mivka_]

The difference is that he doesn’t want to believe. Its his free will is the issue.

[@LADavis-ih3ok]

The universe as a whole and all of the parts that are part of and are combined to form the universe began to exist.

[@أهلاويكرماوي]

الحمد لله رب العالمين

[@rizekil7928]

Allah says in Qur'an, (about the children of Israel in the time of Moses)., in Surah Al-Baqarah. 2 : 55 And ˹remember˺ when you said, “O Moses! We will never believe you until we see Allah with our own eyes,” so a thunderbolt struck you while you were looking on. 2 : 56 Then We brought you back to life after your death, so that perhaps you would be grateful.

[@Millicomics]

The Qur’an is the only prove of Allah you’d need. Read it, ponder over it, question it, study it, understand it. That’s your prove. I am a revert, because I just couldn’t not accept Qur’an as being the true word of Allah, Alhamdulillah, and I’m ever so amazed by the Qur’an, Subhanallah. ❤

[@magallanesagustin4952]

The Qur'an is just the claim. How is it the proof? Where's the evidence that proves that the Qur'an is the "only proof"? Explain.

[@NG-gb1ov]

Mohammed Hijab has an old video with this same Sebastian. Worthy to watch.

[@hassanhussain4197]

Hamza is just amazing 😇

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllahu khairan

[@stanlyjohn9347]

Hard to debate people with such strong confidence and conviction, I wouldn’t no where to start, I guess I stay in my lane, People are good at that kind of thing, they can use words and energy to steer the conversation into the point they are making , set little traps to direct the persons thoughts into there truth

[@omairhawk7622]

just feel sorry for all the educated fools in western world 😭 may Allah swt give them hidayat

[@feemoheat]

The problem is he's trying to explain an event in time with an infinity past. We exist in time and therefore we have to have a beginning

[@ozeripek507]

I suggest you to read Natural Risale from Risale-i Nur Collections by Said Nursi.

[@is69m]

It does matter. The "uncause cause".

[@amaan.23]

Ignorant people will never understand the basic of knowledge.

[@veganath]

Yes, Hamza would do well not to speculate about things for which he has very scant evidence, if any...

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@veganath but he is using logic to speculate

[@veganath]

@@issamkholoud2009 for such an extraordinary claim I would need substantial merit worthy evidence, not mind gymnastics

[@samueldavids3704]

@@veganath Interesting. That is a you problem though. You don't need the evidence you seek. You want the evidence you seek to avoid accountability. So it is fundamental a "You" problem. Unless you have done DNA tests to prove your father is your father, you do ask the bus driver for his paperwork before boarding, you carry out substantial proof seeking for every single matter of your life. You would never live. Also, a person of that nature (which doesn't exist) would never live such a life because as humans we live by evidence (not proof) and make logical decisions. What you truly mean is (as I stated before) you only want such substantial evidence for the existence of God because as I have already concluded about you is...the idea of God being the creator is something you can never get behind as it will ultimately lead to you being accountable for the actions you take in this world.

[@issamkholoud2009]

@@samueldavids3704 you sir are awesome

[@iswallbanoo1991]

Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Boksburg pray five times a day 🤭🤭🤭

[@willnestor6422]

The sniper says fuck it I aint got all day and takes the shot

[@Bbqeee]

24:28 that Hits hard😂

[@stanlyjohn9347]

It’s an art to debate or talk like Darren, so much time and practice and education has gone into his debates, he has every angle covered, he can be funny, charming and angry at the right times, he can talk over or cut people off at times, but he comes out as the winner every time, I would be embarrassed to talk to him in a setting like that, I would like to sit down in private over a coffee or playing cards and ask questions, But as far as debating, that is Darren’s game,

[@mohiturrahmanzidan7135]

good discussion. but sometimes i was getting lost where Sebastian was taking the discussion. but overall it was good.

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@razakhan23465]

He's specifically defining methods of reasoning. Reasoning via empirical evidence vs reasoning via logic. Hamza's argument is 100% logical without empirical evidence is what he's saying, and is different from an argument based on empirical or even mixed reasoning. He's stating that empirical reasoning always has an element of doubt to it that can be asserted. A person cannot know if all of the empirical evidence is without a doubt true. However, he is stating that logical reasoning is ironclad if it has internal consistency. Purely logical reasoning cannot be challenged via external arguments, only within its own internal consistency. Therefore, you could set up an opposing logical argument which could be internally consistent but externally opposed, and then you have no way of identifying which one is correct. It's like how Aristotle's reasonings of physics often fell apart when tests were performed, and new mixed reasoning arguments had to be created with basis in empirical evidence to explain how the universe works. Hamza's argument is using 100% logical reasoning therefore the young man doesn't see where there would be any room for doubt, therefore he doesn't see how that leaves room for faith. And he stated at the beginning that he thinks God would want faith therefore he wouldn't have any reasoning of his existence that does not leave room for doubt. I disagree with him, but that is his argument. I disagree with him, however, as Hamza's argument uses mixed reasoning, where the empirical evidence is the starting point, where everything that starts to exist requires a cause which is taken from the observations of the known universe. I believe this is where Allah tells us to look around us, and then apply our intellect is telling us. Use empirical evidence as a foundation and then develop logical reasoning from there, and this uncaused cause argument for the existence of God is one of the best I've ever heard.

[@Ultimine1]

You got hearted! Nice comment

[@razakhan23465]

@@Ultimine1 first time!

[@Ali-xq9hc]

deven non Muslim sects undo all the hard work this brother is doing true grit. his a giant we all blessed to have you brother. can't they see picking the right way turns a man in to lion.

[@zolowow5604]

I can prove the existence of Allah

[@TheFaro2011]

Allah has proven His own existence. up to people to believe or not

[@stevenclark5646]

I would like to see your proof

[@Harshharsh111]

@@TheFaro2011 wrong. Allah never mentioned he exists. Actually he made it clear that he isn’t a thing, and nothing measures to him and nothing in existence is like him.

[@ozeripek507]

Allah creates everything from one thing(cause). He creating cause and effect together. Because cause doesnt have knowlodge to know the effect, not having the will to choose any effect among uncountable possibilities, not having power to create the effect, we need to looking for any clues in cause such as will, knowlodge and power to create something / effect.

[@Mohamed--Aden]

I remember this video back then

[@hxhshow9]

Those cups of coffee are the proof of eternity.

[@esahg5421]

so the reason the jswt found galaxies outside the red shift of the big bang is that it was Quantum Super-Position collapsing as well. the images from the jswt show galaxies outside what we believed was the big bang we often neglect that we look with the lens of time. our concept of time is flawed. read Al-Quran with just "time" as your interest and see for yourself.

[@zolowow5604]

The istikara is a miracle that you can see with your own 2eyes.

[@Ali-xq9hc]

ask him to debate a cristan or jew he will definitely win. this man will revert inshallah we need more good people like him. who are rational

[@joyridesham]

Only humans and jinns have been given free will ,nothing else on earth has free will and that is why we are tested for our faith in god and accountable for our good and bad deeds.

[@bihsoldier91]

The people who claim to be the most logical always seem to be the least logical

[@acron6866]

funny how that works. These atheists are very emotional and have a hard time following an argument

[@veganath]

Not sure why speculating about a cause is important, why is it so important to people?

[@veganath]

@@acron6866 *_"These atheists are very emotional"_* all humans are inherently emotional, the question is does it contribute value in a dialogue about arriving at solutions to problems?

[@acron6866]

@@veganath you understood my point

[@veganath]

@@acron6866 why is speculating about a cause important that theoretically occurred 13billion yrs ago or more? Claiming a God did it doesn't really answer anything

[@farrukh4385]

He knows but dnt want to admit, His issue is believing in unseen.

[@googletaqiyya184]

Ya, I don't believe in radio waves, having never seen any. You have never seen George Washington, nor are there any photos of him. Is he the original Bigfoot? Go learn before you use words you do not understand.

[@farrukh4385]

@@googletaqiyya184 what???

[@backbreaker4116]

This is so refreshing after that one crazy christian lady asking the same question the entire video

[@googletaqiyya184]

*Christians KNOW God exists. The 'Faith' we have is that He will fulfill his promises and has nothing to do with the FACT He exists.*

[@angcil88]

Ya okay let's just wait until Jesus Christ returns shall we? You can go back watching Hatun

[@maazmustafa2322]

God exists? Don't you mean Gods? (3 in 1)? When Christianity was strictly followed vs when Islam was strictly followed muslims excelled in military, science, literature etc. However for Europe it was the dark ages. Only when they adopted secularism and liberalized they experienced progress. Thus proving you needed to leave the fake religion of Christianity to be dominant. Muslims on the other hand are at their weakest point now. When they followed their religion they were dominant across many regions of the world. Says a lot about which religion works

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Where's the dishonesty in saying that we don't know? Explain.

[@MrHamjul]

Is like 1+1+5x7/√3...= and then you said "i only need to answer 1+1=2, the rest it doesn't matter".

[@veganath]

Not sure why speculating about a cause is important especially given the claimed 'cause'[Allah] is in no way detectable, anything that doesn't intervene in the human affairs is as good as anything that doesn't exist, so why speculate?

[@NoorsUnpopularOpinions]

@@veganathWhat is your detection? What justification do you have that anything doesn’t intervene in human affairs doesn’t? Mar (I know it isn’t the best example) doesn’t intervene on human affairs but it still exist.

[@veganath]

@@NoorsUnpopularOpinions if it doesn't intervene in human affairs why is it given any consideration when making decisions about our lives?? Observation is what I use to evaluate the claims of theists.

[@NoorsUnpopularOpinions]

@@veganath Does Mars intervene with human existence? Do we make considerations about when making decisions about life I.e future colonization? Do we know with certainty that anything undetectable doesn’t have intervention at all? Well we might as well stop studying history because since it is past and cannot possibly have intervention in human life and would’ve been undetectable were it not written down just like the “ cause” you claim is irrelevant

[@veganath]

@@NoorsUnpopularOpinions *_"Does Mars intervene with human existence?"_* we need to apportion our 'consideration' proportional to the degree of influence or proportional to a things potential to intervene. For those wonderful humans attempting to make human life(all life) survival beyond our Sun's life they would ascribe greater 'consideration' to the influence of things on said goals. Same with 'belief' I apportion my belief in a given 'thing' to the evidence available. Hence I have no good reason to believe theist claims for the existence of their gods. *_"Do we know with certainty that anything undetectable doesn’t have intervention at all?"_* for example, when the pandemic in 2019 started we had no idea about the virus, however, we observed a very detrimental influence on large numbers of peoples health, THAT was the impetus for humans to ascribe elevated consideration & resource to stop this 'thing'. However, we give very little consideration to small pox as it has no observable detrimental influence on humans. Our(homo-sapiens) history according to the science of anthropology appear to go back over 100,000 yrs. The obvious conclusion to draw is that the more distant an event the less likely our account of it is going to be given the lower level of the recording technologies. History is relevant in terms of the lessons learned. Q1: May I ask you some questions about what you believe as influenced by lsIam, however, my priority is how what you believe informs your morality, or what you deem permissible behaviour?

[@That_Chaplin_chap]

but if the creator of all things is forever itself it doesnt need a start or end..he's almighty..the ultimate being..the creation itself that keeps on creating and expanding..he just is..he has no time..he has no start..he is and was and forever will be

[@boyfanplaceswift1886]

19:00 Penanya bingung tentang Infinite Regres Infinite Regres bisa diilustrasikan sebagai Black Hole yang menyerap dan menenggelamkan ke lubang Hitam tak Berujung Kamu tidak bisa keluar darinya karena ke - Infinite - an dari sebuah lubang yang terus menenggelamkan Penggambaran : 1. Black Hole sebuah rintangan yang harus ditempuh (keluar dari Black Hole) agar seseorang dapat melakukan suatu tindakan. maka yang terjadi adalah tidak ada tindakan karena seseorang tersebut tidak dapat melakukan keluar dari Black Hole a. Lubang Hitam Black Hole yang berupa mirip Tornado yang menyerap dengan kekuatan Infinite dan memanjang kedalam secara Infinite b. Orang yang memiliki kemampuan memanjang kan tubuhnya c. Infinite menenggalamkan akan mengalahkan kemampuan memanjang tubuhnya 2. 15:00

[@general302]

hamza is so funny the moon bit it has logic n moon playing joke lol

[@jbthevampire1183]

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[@mr.policeman6129]

There is only one creator who knows all and knows his creation the best. There is only one God Allah.

[@randomness8819]

Guy in the suit is just babbling trying to figure his beliefs n logic out in real time.

[@is69m]

That "creator" becomes a "creation". And then conclusion comes out of it would be "there is no difference between creator and creation", also don't forget to include the plural mark of (-s) at the end of those terms. A bloody mess.

[@dangandhijalaladeeni8543]

Where’s the part 2 of this clip

[@uknowwhat85]

Where is the part 2 of this?

[@richardmccann1516]

Who created the creator?

[@Heldan]

Video starts at 1:23 You're welcome

[@aaronharun1394H]

The Creator of everything is not the same as creation. We creation do not create. We make something out of what is already created. We could not even create a fly. The cause of everything is not the same as everything that is caused.

[@aaronharun1394H]

Then is He who creates like one who does not create? So will you not be reminded? (Al-Quran 16 : 17)

[@ac4439]

Time is the cause

[@eaismikayla6275]

Ask that man to draw a line without starting point ... He'll never get a LINE 😂 his hand and pen will always above the paper without touching it to begin .. if theres no starting point so u'll never got it (a line) ... And dominos also will never fall unless there is something happen to the first domino (fall a.k.a starting poin) .. not so complicated to understand it right 🥴 even a child knows its logic

[@lindoel741]

Where do they debate?

[@rustemradoncic5889]

Mashallah they prob said the word cause a 1000 times lol

[@ozeripek507]

Causes are only an apparent veil. For to will that most wise and purposeful aims are followed, and important results are obtained, is of necessity the work of one who is most Knowing and Wise. Whereas causes are lifeless and without intelligence. So by mentioning the aims and results, such verses show that although causes are superficially and as beings joined to and adjacent to their effects, in reality there is a great distance between them. The distance from the cause to the creation of the effect is so great that the hand of the greatest causes cannot reach the creation of the most insignificant effects. Thus, it is within this long distance between cause and effect that the Divine Names each rise like stars. The place of their rising is this distance. To the superficial glance mountains on the horizon appear to be joined to and contiguous with the skirts of the sky, although from the mountains to the sky is a vast distance in which the stars rise and other things are situated; so too the distance between causes and effects is such that it may be seen only with the light of the Qur'an through the telescope of belief. For example: Then let man consider his sustenance. * For that We pour forth water in abundance. * And We split the earth into fragments. * And We produce therein corn, * And grapes and nutritious plants, * And olives and dates, * And enclosed gardens, dense with lofty trees, * And fruits and fodder, * For use and convenience to you and your cattle. {[*]: Qur'an, 80:24-32.} By mentioning miracles of Divine power in a purposeful sequence, this verse ties causes to effects and with the words, For use and convenience to you points to an aim at its conclusion. This aim proves that within the sequence of all the causes and effects is a hidden disposer who sees and follows the aim, to whom the causes are a veil. Indeed, with the phrase, For use and convenience to you and your cattle, it disallows all the causes the ability to create. It is in effect saying: "Rain comes from the sky in order to produce food for you and your animals. Since water does not possess the ability to pity you and produce food, it means that the rain does not come, it is sent. And the earth produces plants and your food comes from there. But lacking feelings and intelligence, it is far beyond the ability of the earth to think of your sustenance and feel compassion for you, so it does not produce it itself. Furthermore, since it is remote from plants and trees to consider your food and compassionately produce fruits and grains for you, the verse demonstrates that they are strings and ropes which One All-Wise and Compassionate extends from behind the veil, to which He attaches His bounties and holds out to animate creatures." Thus, from this explanation numerous Divine Names rise, like All-Compassionate, Provider, Bestower, and All-Generous. Risale-i Nur /Said NURSI

[@katiawojcik962]

He doesnt want to admit there is a non-caused cause so he tries to ignore it completely. May Allah guide him.

[@therick363]

No one has proven there was a non caused cause

[@googletaqiyya184]

*The scientific method is not used to “prove” anything. Only mathematics is dependent on “proof” to establish the validity of a conjecture.* *With few exceptions, the best the scientific method can do is to provide very strong evidence for theories, they aren't providing proof.* *In fact, when it comes to science, proving anything is an impossibility.*

[@9amtoxic]

I need part 2 :C

[@BikeAndFish1]

43:47 I laughed.

[@is69m]

Is not there term "faith" for it? what faith is even? which is truth (truer?), is it "belief" or is it "truth"?

[@NEW_CREATION_IN_JESUS]

*Muslims R Sinking..JESUS is the Life Boat.. There are 1000 ways to get to the HELL...BUT only ONE way to go to the HEAVEN...That’s thru JESUS alone...* its not what we did for Jesus will save...its Jesus who saves us by his GRACE thru FAITH in Him...Amen JESUS said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6 “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 3:36 PLS CALL UPON JESUS THE MESSIAH SAVIOR THE LORD OF LORDS

[@Harshharsh111]

Infinite regression is a 3 dimensional paradigm. It’s an actuation that is flawed because it’s based on causality.

[@NG-gb1ov]

Is this Sebastian?