MUSLIMS REACT to ORTHODOX vs CATHOLIC Christianity

In this reaction video, we're going to be exploring the differences between Orthodox and Catholic Christianity as Muslims. We give our thoughts on the different teaching, as well as our Islamic views and beliefs as well!
Original Video: • Orthodox vs Catholic |...
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:32 Pope Figure
02:18 Difference Fasting
03:17 Iconostasis
03:58 Icons
04:26 Involvement of Children?
05:10 Forgiving Sins
06:31 Kneeling
07:00 Holy Water
07:13 BEARDS
07:57 Veneration of Relics
08:50 Clergy
09:06 Our Thoughts
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[@stepanvrana88]

Glory to Orthodoxy! ☦

[@markokovaecvic3160]

Amin☦️

[@Orthodox_socialist]

Amin☦️♥️☪️

[@user-rk8yx4sd6d]

Аминь 🙏☦️💓

[@brandonkemerer5985]

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[@jovanstankovik5745]

Glory to GOD Alone* ✝️ no matter what ❣️♾️✝️

[@stefche]

For Eastern Orthodox priests and monks - the beard is seen as a symbol of maturity, piety, and dedication to their religious calling. It is considered a sign of respect and a visual reminder of their commitment to their faith and the ascetic traditions of monasticism. In the New Testament, the apostles and early Christian leaders were often depicted with beards, and Jesus Christ himself is often portrayed with facial hair in Eastern Orthodox iconography. In regards to fasting according to the Eastern Orthodox faith, the two primary fasting seasons are Great Lent and Advent. Great Lent lasts for 40 days and is a time of intense spiritual preparation leading up to Easter. Advent, also known as the Nativity Fast, occurs for 40 days before Christmas and focuses on preparing for the birth of Jesus Christ. In addition to these major fasts, there are several other fasting periods and days scattered throughout the liturgical calendar. The purpose of fasting in the Eastern Orthodox Church is to cultivate self-discipline, focus on prayer and repentance, and foster spiritual growth. It is seen as a means of purifying the body and mind, detaching from worldly desires, and drawing closer to God. Fasting typically involves abstaining from certain types of foods, such as meat, dairy, and oil, and may also include restrictions on the frequency and quantity of meals. Furthermore, every Wednesday and Friday are considered fasting days regardless. Wednesday is associated with the betrayal of Jesus by Judas, while Friday commemorates His crucification. Finally, the difference in the structures and understandings of authority between the two traditions played a significant role in the split between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church in the Great Schism of 1054. I hope my explanation has answered a few of your questions! I’m always more than happy to help. Source: I’m an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

[@iliasmastoris529]

During Great Lent, Orthodox Christians abstain from animal and derived products (ie. they're vegan) for 40 days. Many also abstain from olive oil. In addition fasting also takes place every Wednesday and Friday to be able to take communion.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Ilias, thanks for the info on Orthodox fasting! Us Muslims are obligated to fast the month of Ramadan, no food or water from sunrise to sunset. Then there are numerous recommends fasts we can do as well. Nice to see such a great way of worshipping God as a similarities between our faiths. 😁 -Hamza

[@borisjevic6338]

I would like to add, that to part take in communion, you should also be confessing your sins to your spiritual person aka confessor, that will also inform you what what you need to do, i.e. abstain from communion until you have fulfilled what he has given you to do, and you need to do it and cannot go to a different one for repenting to get a different result. Also, to take communion, it is a 3 day fast and no eating or drinking on the day prior to taking your communion. At least for a Greek Orthodox. God Bless

[@osamabinliftin8632]

Currently living without chocolates for lent! (I love it but so worth to abstain for a while)

[@matts1451]

Us catholics do the same

[@vericaz3894]

​@@MuslimMindsUS Thanks for being so appreciative they fast both before Easter and Christmas for 40 days and it's very severe it's like vegan and you are supposed to eat minimal so people end up losing a lot of weight and then there are other calendar days that are up 22 weeks I think at times that it's also fasting and every Wednesday and Friday so there's quite a bit of it❤

[@repairerofthebreach777]

Orthodox Christians hold fast to the apostolic traditions passed down by Jesus to His apostles.. thays what we keep and always will keep.. we don't interpret the bible, we follow the apostles teachings passed down to us generation by generation, no such thing as innovation... We keep the Lords traditions..

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Repairer of the breach, nice to know Orthodox christianity keeps to the original teachings as much as possible :) More content to come, please be sure to subscribe, will help out our channel a lot! -Hamza

[@repairerofthebreach777]

@@MuslimMindsUS there is only 1 true church and that's the Greek(eastern) orthodox church.. the rest have fallen away

[@repairerofthebreach777]

@@MuslimMindsUS we don't even have the same Creed with the west , we are monarchian trinitarians,

[@MuslimMindsUS]

@@repairerofthebreach777 very interesting, appreciate the info! What are monarchian trinitarians?

[@repairerofthebreach777]

@@MuslimMindsUS the Father is the sole cause of the Son and the Spirit .. they both proceed from the Father, not created but they come forth from the Father.. one cause, the Father.. west added in the 8th century that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son making 2 origins and the Spirit lesser than the other 2, we reject that, it's an innovation that was never taught by Jesus in the gospels or the apostles or the church fathers

[@TalKScribe]

Really appreciate the spirit of open, non-judgmental inquiry and sharing of viewpoints here. I think this video is setting a really good example for all of us.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hello Tally-Ho Media, we appreciate the kind words, it is our aim to study theology while maintaining respect and good conduct -Rohaib

[@manolismahlis9285]

Really is it ?The truth should be spoken out loud.without fearing anyone,and liars should be rebuked.

[@yisun-sin5780]

A little late, but here is a historical fact. It was very common, especially in the Middle ages for a Patriarch(Orthodox High Priest) to take a weapon and defend their country, even organize the defense and logistics. However, there was no Patriarch that organized a crusade. On the other hand, the Vatican priests never touched a weapon in their life, but they organized lots of crusades.

[@vericaz3894]

Yep facts.. it's the reason that wanted to separate because they wanted to have one big boss the pope so they can make all the money Orthodoxy never changed really and everyone was an Orthodox Christian back in the day for almost 1,200 years and we do have a higher a hierarchy but it doesn't mean that they're a boss I believe they are Bishops I don't know if it's higher than that but that is the main reason why they separate

[@ThomasBarbarossa]

As an Orthodox Christian we know that when Jesus gave Peter the keys as it is written in scripture, that the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven aren’t Peter/the Bishop of Rome, instead the keys to the Kingdom are Peter’s confession that Jesus is the Lord and Messiah. Forgive me if I’ve written that in a confusing way.

[@marr2k]

we orthodox also fast for like 40 days sometimes in the year not just wednesday and friday

[@vericaz3894]

Yes we do it twice for Easter and for Christmas and it's strictly vegan and we have to eat very minimal lots of people lose weight LOL but also throughout the year there's other fasts a lot of older people do it and of course every Wednesday and Friday it's supposed to be done as well.. blessings❤

[@mikoajgrzenkowitz1415]

As a Catholic theologian I would say that the differences between the Catholics and Orthodox can be divided into few sections. You are right that most of them are cultural and historical. As Catholics we don't say that Orthodox pray in a wrong way or their liturgy is incorrect. We consider it as historical and cultural differences that are normal and allowed. Actually, parts of the Catholic Church are Eastern Catholic Churches, which have liturgy, traditions, laws and prayers very similar to the Orthodox Church. The Church is global, so it has different forms. What really matters is what we believe. I think the differences are actually 3: - the role of the Pope (commenting it is not neccesary) - tha Ecumenical Councils - the dogmas The Orthodox Church believes that Ecumenical Council is the highest authority in the Church and that the Church has already 7 of them. Some of the Orthodox acknowledge 1 or 2 more, but of a lesser rank. They stopped having new Councils after the 1054 schism, because of the doubt if it could be truly ecumenical and to focus on the doctrine already established. The Catholic Church has never stopped calling its Councils and now is 21 of them and counting. All of them have equal rank. Catholics also proclaimed few new dogmas after the schism. The Assumption of Mary, the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the Purgatory, the Indulgences etc. Most of these things are not rejected by Orthodox, but they are not dogmas. The Orthodox have different opinions about it and various theological tradiotions. Some dogmas are really close like Assumption and some very far like Indulgences. It also has its reverse side, but to be honest the Orthodox tend not to dogmatise things and Catholics quite the opposite. Some things like the famous Filioque are considered closed as an issue between the Churches after theological dialogue. So main difference is the Pope. Then history. New councils and new dogmas, which strengthened the schism. Orthodoxy focused on preserving its beliefs from the 1th millenium. Catholicism became more dynamic and bold in a matter of doctrine (and law) and its development. It's because the different sense of authority. Catholics consider Pope as a rock of unity and faith. So they tend to rely on him, that he will stop all the mistakes. Orthodox rely on the Ecumenical Councils, but after schism they are not totally ok with calling them. Ofc there are at last cultural things and theological tendencies to emphasize some things, which make the differences seen much bigger than they are. Btw I love your videos. Your opinions are very reasonable, thoughtful and open-minded.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for this detailed breakdown. We are glad you enjoyed the content! -Rohaib

[@angeliconstantine]

Το σχίσμα μεταξύ ορθόδοξης και καθολικής εκκλησίας ειναι αποτέλεσμα του διαχωρισμού της ρωμαϊκής αυτοκρατορίας σε δύο κομμάτια ( την ανατολική με πρωτεύουσα την Κωνσταντινούπολη και την δυτική με πρωτεύουσα την ρωμη) και την πτώση του δυτικης αυτοκρατορίας στα χέρια των γερμανικών φύλλων. Οι Γερμανοί θέλοντας να κυριαρχήσουν ολοκληρωτικά στην δυτική ρωμαικη αυτοκρατορία αλλα και στην θρησκεία,αλλαξαν το χριστιανικο δόγμα με το filioque , έκαναν τον παππα της Ρώμης εκπρόσωπο του Θεού επι της γης, ωστε να δίνει τιτλους "ελεου θεου βασιλείς " στους Γερμανούς κατακτητές της δυτικής ρωμαϊκής αυτοκρατορίας. Ολες οι διαφορές διαμορφωθηκαν απο τους Γερμανούς ,ώστε να αποσπάσουν πολιτιστικά και θρησκευτικά το δυτικό κομμάτι της ρωμαϊκής αυτοκρατορίας που ειχαν κατακτήσει απο την επαφη του με την ανατολική ρωμαϊκή αυτοκρατορία και την Κωνσταντινούπολη.

[@hesoswag1697]

A couple of points from an Orthodox perspective - -Firstly, regarding our leadership, we do believe that the pope has primacy (but not supremacy) and he holds the title of "First among equals", however, since he is in schism from the church, he is unfortunately not our head. We do still have Peterine succession though (Bishops who are direct successors of the Apostle Peter) in the form of the Patriarch of Antioch (Peter was the first bishop there) and the Patriarch of Alexandria, which was also established by Peter. We believe that church tradition, and the fathers/saints, does not support the idea of papal infallibility, or Supreme authority. -On the involvement of Children We (Orthodox) want our children to be educated in the faith as well, but we don't believe that's a good reason to prevent them from receiving the Sacraments through their developing years. In fact, what better way is their to teach them about the faith than to raise them in the full extent of it? Also, keep in mind that communion is considered vital in traditional Christianity for one's spiritual well-being, preventing someone from receiving that until they reach a so-called "age of reason" is generally regarded by the Orthodox as being quite troublesome and even dangerous. I've met many Catholics that agree with these principles, and want to revert to their original tradition in that area of adolescent Sacramental involvement. - Orthodox priests generally have beards to more closely resemble Christ. But it's not a requirement. Finally, if you'd like a more in depth analysis of the differences between the 2 faiths, I'd highly recommend watching "Seraphim Hamilton's" videos on yt. His videos are long, but very informative. God bless and love to my Catholic brethren!

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for the information and recommendation -Rohaib

[@jaja2536]

As someone who grew up as a Catholic, had first neighbour Orthodox and another Sunni Muslim, and family friends Bektashi Muslims I have a bit of knowledge about theme. So in my family there was a 3 forms of fasting. On friday you can fast (1 meal a day) and no meat (children, sick, pregnant and people working really hard work are excluded) or no food at all. 40 days before Easter light fasting, prayer and no food on couple of days 2 weeks before Easter. Fasting as a type of sacrifice combined with meditation and prayer for someone close can last indefinitely (my mother for my sinful atheistic soul). Fasting is considered if you eat 1 meal not enough to satisfy hunger or no food at all. Usually beside Friday we did 1 other day (tuesday or wednesday). So this is how real Catholic should behave. Most of Catholics have patron saint for themselves and Orthodox have one for family. And there are also Catholic Orthodox, they follow a pope but rest is like Orthodox, and usually use Old Church Slavonic language. Prostration is for special form of prayer for heavy sinners, adamant devotees and priests. There is holy water and ointment. As for beards, well roman tradition, I know a lot of priests with beards of all sizes and forms Catholic and Orthodox. In reality we call each other on our holly days or at least bring cakes and food, mostly old people practice their faith strictly (maybe because death is close?). Of course you will not offer a Muslim alcohol or pork but most do consume it except in Ramadan and Kurban Bayram. And there is a thing with making sign of cross, we do it with 5 fingers - 5 wounds of Jesus and Orthodox with 3 - Holy trinity. And Orthodox have messed up calendar and priests can marry, but some choose celibacy. Orthodox Catholics priests can also marry and are trying to push that into Catholicism. If Catholic priest have a child he is responsible for child and mother. For Croats Catholic church had a lot of compromises because Orthodox church and Islam,. Also Islam for Bosniaks and Albanians has a lot of compromises. That is the only way to live together. Basically don't be an asshole and respect your neighbour otherwise blood will flow and nobody wins...

[@borisjevic6338]

Hi, I would like to agree with most points that you have made, but would disagree with some of the language used. Your sentance: and I quote ". And Orthodox have messed up calendar and priests can marry, but some choose celibacy." is degrading and/ or ignorant. Many countries and religions around the world follow their own calendar. Muslims have their own calendar, I take it that you most likely are a Croat, no issue there and the Serb's of what I know have 2 calendars like the rest of the Orthodox except the Greeks, that they follow the previous calander, so they have a religious calendar and the "western" business calendar. Japan also has a different calendar too and same with India. So, please do not say that others "have messed up", who is to say that your calendar isn't the one that is messed up? Now, in regards to the second part: "priests can marry, but some choose celibacy." The priests that marry cannot go higher beyond that rank, only unmarried priests can. A major difference is also, that Orthodox celebrate the Saints Name that they have and is called Name Day and shouldn't celebrate their birthday, since then they celebrate themselves instead of the Saint of whose Name they carry and of which is a celebration of their life with God, as the Name Day / Patron Saint is when they went to "sleep", not died, as we believe in an eternal soul. Yes, during fast, only fish are allowed on Wednesday and Friday except for when in lent, then those can also be restricted and at times cephalapods are allowed when fish are not. In regards to: " For Croats Catholic church had a lot of compromises because Orthodox church and Islam,. " same with many Orthodox Churches, but it falls under tradition 🙂 God bless. p.s. I follow the Greek Orthodox church of which follows the Gregorian calendar, like most western countries, while the rest of the Orthodox follow the Julian calendar but our Easters coincide due to the way that Catholics and Orthodox calculate their Easter.

[@user-sx7ou4od1w]

Hello from a greek Christian orthodox

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

The essential difference between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy is that between the Roman and Greek views of the world. The fundamental principle of Rome has always been order; that of Greece, freedom. ADDENDUM (edit): Doctrinal and dogmatic details aside, to understand this is to understand The Great Schism between the Roman Church and the Greeks.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Nice to point out the contrasts of order and freedom between the two. Makes complete sense!! Thanks for your comment Dorian! -Hamza

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

@@MuslimMindsUS - Thank you for the response, Hamza - great channel you’ve got there! Greetings from Delphi, Greece.

[@carlose4314]

The Catholic Church also views Jesus Christ as the head of the Church, since we believe Jesus is the High Priest.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thanks for sharing Carlos -Rohaib

[@Andypanda34]

but you give to much authority to the pope "A man in power always abusses it"

[@jhnshep]

@@MuslimMindsUS In Ireland during the 800s and after, the priests and monks considered Jesus the head of the church and any prayers were between himself and God and there was no physical head of the church, Columcille traveled europe setting up monasteries outside of the papacy which was about to split between Rome and Avignon after which the pope gave reason for the British to colonise Ireland because we were 'problematic' to say catholicisme is complicated is an understatement lol

[@jaja2536]

Yep pope is kind of secretary...

[@carlose4314]

@@jaja2536 of state

[@user-wm2mp2sz1q]

In Orthodox on fasting you cant eat meat, milk, milk products, eggs cant drink alcohol cant fight or think about badly something and etc its not only about eating

[@Andypanda34]

I am an Orthodox teen going to a catholic school so I have a pretty good idea of the differences. The two main ones are the pope and the Filioque (the statement added to the Nicene creed by the Catholics). Also this video didn't touch on the theological difference between East and West, some Theological differences are the catholic belief of purgatory (the orthodox say there is no purgatory), and Catholics tend to focus on sin and how horrible we are, as opposed to Orthodox focusing on looking to Christ and focusing on the resurrection. Also a question for Muslims: why do you not believe That Jesus Christ is God? especially when it is made clear in the Bible, example, in john 20: Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”. Great Video!

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for sharing this information! -Rohaib

[@MuslimMindsUS]

We will address your question in a video God willing so others can see -Rohaib

[@TomorrowWeLive]

I believe for Orthodox beards actually come from the centrality of Holy Icons. (Male) Saints are always portrayed with beards, so Orthodox men believe they are imitating the Saints by having beards. In mainstream Orthodoxy it's only priests who do this, but in other sects, like the Old Believers, all men are required to have beards.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Nice, good to know it comes from mirroring your “saints”. Thanks for the clarification! -Hamza

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

Males having beards comes from the Thora. In the Thora God orders that a man should not cut his beard because God made man to have a beard. So ALL PROPHETS, CHRIST, APOSTLES....ALL HAD BEARDS

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

Like the hair cover for women. ALL HEBREW WOMEN HAD COVERED HAIR, ALSO ALL CHRISTIAN WOMEN, TILL THIS DAY IN HOLY Orthodoxy.

[@diogomelo7897]

Part of the idea behind the indulgences was because in the past, aftee people went to confession, they would often have to do very heavy penitences, but because sometimes people were not able to do those penitences, the church would allow them to do a lighter penitence instead. So instead of a heavy fasting, they replace it, either totally or partially, by praying and doing acts of charity for example. This gave origin to a lot of abuses, since a very common form of obtaining the indulgences was to give donations to the church, which was one of the reasons for the reformation, and later they made more regulations of what was allowed when granting indulgences. There's more aspects to it, but those are a more complicated to explain.

[@kainech]

For the pope, there are differences in how things are read. Roman Catholics read the keys in Matthew 16.19 as an exclusive prerogative given to St. Peter. However, the Orthodox understand the keys to be the power to forgive sins, and so all the Apostles received the keys since the same prerogatives in Mt. 18.18. Thus the chair of Peter is shared by the whole episcopate. A good show of this comes in the book of Acts at the council of Jerusalem. Peter was there, but he did not preside. This difference in reading appears in the Fathers. Where Roman Catholics see a reference to Peter, they always see the Pope, but the Orthodox see the pope as having authority only insofar as he stays in communion with the rest of the Church and holds to the traditions of the faith. The difference played out tellingly in St. Cyril's dispute with pope St. Stephen. They were disputing about baptism. St. Cyril, in his "On the Unity of the Church," insisted that Christ established only one chair of Peter and argued the pope had left it. Later, because the language was so strong, this work was edited so that he affirmed what Roman Catholics think today. As a result, two versions of this book are now extant. In virtually every Petrine prooftext, there is an Orthodox who says, "What's the context?" because we simply don't read them the same. The Filioque is downstream from the differences about the pope, but wasn't touched on enough. The problem comes up in that when it was made, anathemas were leveled at anybody, without exception, who would change it. Thus the Orthodox believe changing it constitutes heresy, i.e. any changes without an ecumenical council. The pope did change it, and so claims authority even over the councils. What the insertion even means is secondary to "Was it permissible to even change it?" Another distinction is the doctrine of grace or energies. Because of a grammar technicality, Latin couldn't properly translate the Apostle Paul's use of the Greek words for "energy." As a result, Orthodoxy worked out the Greek text so that we cannot know God's inner being, but we can know him through his activity, which is also a category of being, and we can literally be a part of it while still being separate. However since these two modes of being couldn't be articulated in Latin, they didn't make this distinction such that God's being is always beyond us. I'm grossly oversimplifying, but it very much is one of the most important differences. Here is a video with an interview on it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2ObYXeJZrxneLc There are many other differences the video didn't touch on. Most Orthodox see sin as a contamination, or a disease. Roman Catholics see it primarily as a legal problem. Indulgences are downstream from this, because they assume we can merits that wipe away sins, and indulgences are extra merits earned by saints that can be used for others. Orthodoxy has no such conception, because our framework is different. "Merit" is a Latin-specific doctrine. Orthodoxy doesn't believe we can inherit guilt from our ancestors. Roman Catholicism makes it a dogma and builds the immaculate conception on top of that. There are lots more I could pile on, but most of them would seem minor from the outside. We are very close, but the differences are also very deep.

[@tavioka6243]

Im a Catholic & from where im from we do fast & abstain from food & so many things that we enjoy doing or even say not just abstaining frm meat. Over all as a Christian i give u both props & respect for being open minded to our universal church. I also personally do my own researches on Islam & other religions either out of curiosity or just want to learn the differences or simply just want to open my mind to whats out there too. Much blessings🤲🏾

[@calebjw5360]

To clarify, indulgences are not for the forgiveness of sins, and while there are instances of people selling them, it has always been a condemned practice. To recieve forgiveness of sins, both Catholic and Orthodox acrually have the same practices(baptism and the sacrament of reconciliation, or perfect contrition in some circumstances). I think non-Catholics get confused because the Catholic church has a different concept of what forgiveness actually is. We believe forgiveness offers salvation because it erases the eternal consequence for sin. However, we believe it doesnt erase the temporal consequence. Temporal consequences help us grow on earth, and also have the effect of cleansing our souls to prepare us for heaven. Purgatory is the final cleansing of the soul, a final temporal consequence for those already saved and bound for heaven. Indulgences are simply a remission of those temporal consequences, gained through acts of prayer and charity. It is possible because ultimately, temporal consequences and acts of prayer and charity have the same effect, they work to fill us with the grace of God.

[@animesamurai3081]

As a Catholic, I really appreciate your open mindedness to the education of both of these denominations. Thank you for being chill about it, as I've had some bad experiences speaking/debating to Muslims about my faith and theirs. +1Sub

[@jesseDevitt]

I'm a catholic during lent we fast for 40 days like Jesus did praise the Lord Jesus Christ

[@dougsheehan3585]

I'm a protestant and what ever we say, really we're a subset of catholics. We define ourselves by how we differ from catholicism. I feel more sympathy with the orthodox, but I'm not orthodox. Both have important things to teach us if we are humble enough to listen. Inside christianity, not necassarily from outside.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Doug. Cool to hear how you see yourself as a subset of Catholicism! Yes, both sides seems to have important beliefs and practices you could learn from. Thanks for commenting, much appreciated! -Hamza

[@kraigsmyth]

Really depends on the denomination. I'd agree for some like Anglicans and Lutherans. Many like baptists, LDS, and quakers differ wildly.

[@manolismahlis9285]

Roman Catholicism is Heresy and has nothing to teach but lies .Orthodoxy is the Truth.

[@lucassantiagogarcia1239]

No you are not, you are a heretic, we are not.

[@Nikki-gv6gl]

Orthodox fasting is EVERY Wednesday and Friday to remember the betrayal and crucifixion of Christ. During Pascha or Easter, we have the Sarakosti which is a 40-50 day fast before Easter Sunday and it’s meant to represent Jesus’s fast in the desert

[@elainaformica3355]

In the Catholic Church, it is common to fast before taking communion. This means not eating anything for at least an hour before mass. Thats why you might see kids who are too young to take communion have snacks in church, but older kids and adults don’t have food and drinks.

[@Dulcee3_]

Love how respectful this video was! You both are very well spoken ❤

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

Orthodoxy and Protestants do not believe that Jesus made Peter the head of the church. The verse that the Catholics used to support this is Matthew 16:13-20 Orthodox and Protestants would interpret this as the 'rock' the church is built on is what Peter said, that Jesus is the messiah and son of God, and not peter specifically. He was given the name peter because he knew this before anyone. I have also heard that in the original Greek the words for the rock he calls Peter and the rock the church is built on are different words. He calls simon Peter, but the rock of the church Petra. The next part of the keys of heaven and hell the Orthodox would view as something jesus was saying to all the apostles and not to peter specifically. Protestants would interpret the keys as either belonging to all Christians or specifically to the apostles at that time.

[@aluvieltou2745]

The beard.. shows that the priests have denied vanity their life’s are dedicated in worship, and pray..

[@apmikalogran]

Long beards is a tradition Orthodoxy is Christianity how it used to be since the beginning keeps tradition Catholic is how it became that’s how I see it Filioque is a difference

[@hasbrouckj9]

The great schism is rooted in a dispute over the the Nicene creed when the pope attempted to add the words “and the son” (line 29) about the nature of the holy spirit. The Patriarch of Constantinople took the position that the pope could not just change church doctrine as he was FIRST but first among equals the pope’s position was that he was FIRST thus asserted the Primacy of Rome. The Nicene creed was used as a measure of standard beliefs of who was a Christian and who is not. There is more nuance but this is youtube not a seminary.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey hasbrouckj9, why did the pope want to add “and the son”? To the Bible correct? From reading your comment it does seem incorrect for any human to change what was the original message… Thanks for the comment!! -Hamza

[@hasbrouckj9]

@@MuslimMindsUS He wanted to add it to the Nicene creed, which is “similar” in function to the Shahada. The addition (called the Filioque) was used in western churches since the late 6th century but not eastern churches. The Filioque explains that the holy spirit comes from the father AND the son. It is logical that if the father and the son are of one substance then if the spirit comes from the father it would also come from the son as they are two persons in one substance. But this is a deviation from the creed as it was set down in the council of Nicaea in 325. The philosophical question, from my understanding boils down to how knowable is something as massive as God is i.e. can we understand anything that is 3-in-1? And should we try?

[@MuslimMindsUS]

@@hasbrouckj9 thanks for the explanation! So it’s a testimony of faith essentially? If the Holy Spirit is believed to come from the father and maybe the Son, then that would make the Holy Spirit a dependent being? Rationally, if someone is caused by another thing, that something is dependent on it. So how can the Holy Spirit be an “effect” of the father for example but also be independent and all powerful? It didn’t exist without the father right? Curious to know the reasoning and logic behind this concept of the Holy Spirit! Thanks Hasbrouckj9!! 😁 -Hamza

[@hasbrouckj9]

@@MuslimMindsUS No all Nicene Christians believe that Father Son and Holy Spirit are equal distinct beings united in substance. This is difficult to explain but lutheran satire does it better (also funnier) in his bad analogies video.

[@earthmuthoni8558]

Correction when Jesus fasted for 40 days, he didn't eat during the night like Muslims.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Oh wow didn’t know that… how did he sustain himself? Seems humanly impossible… -Hamza

[@earthmuthoni8558]

@@MuslimMindsUS all things are possible with God.

[@TomorrowWeLive]

Actually the whole thing with St Peter being the rock on which the Church is built is one of the major issues of controversy between Protestants and Catholics. Protestants believe that when the Lord said 'Thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church', He was referring to *Himself* as the rock, not Peter. So Protestants would also say that Jesus is the only head of the Church. Though the main communion of Eastern Orthodox Christians do have the Ecumenical Patriarch based in Constantinople (Istanbul), who is supposed to be the first among equals of the Patriarchs. However since recent geopolitical events involving Russia and Ukraine, the Russian Orthodox Church and the churches under its authority are in schism from the Ecumenical Patriarchate and no longer acknowledge his authority. Which illustrates the pitfall of having churches under the control of the state and bound up in national identities. Whereas pretty much all of Western European Mediaeval history illustrate the pitfalls of having secular authority subordinate to spiritual authority, as it is in Catholicism. In Islam of course this issue doesn't arise since your secular and temporal authorities (at least while the Caliphate was still around) are one and the same ;)

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Appreciate another great comment Tomorrow We Live. Haha yes, funny point you brought up regarding Islam, back when we had “real” islamic leadership (which still exists in some countries to some extent), all Muslims gladly abided by islamic ruling in all aspects of life. And like you said, our faith and countries were directly linked, which is ideally what Muslims want to have. And I agree that it would not cause the issues you brought up in the various Christian groups. What’s the basis on Protestants and Catholics differing interpretation on Peter? Is it just the way the quote from Jesus is phrased? Any other factors? Really benefited from the info in your comment, happy to have you here! -Hamza

[@thatwolfensteinguy8954]

​@@MuslimMindsUS it's seems to just exist as an argument by protestants to discredit Catholicism, the early Christians were clear it was about St Peter, God bless!

[@TomorrowWeLive]

​@@MuslimMindsUS I think it's based on the difference between the Greek word 'petra', meaning 'rock' and 'Petros', meaning Peter. Kind of wild how such a major theological difference comes down to essentially a pun 😁

[@CarlosGarin-zg7ez]

The definition of an indulgence is the remission, either partially or fully, of temporal punishment due to sins. One of the conditions to obtain an indulgence is you have to be in a state of grace, i.e. free of any mortal sins. To get a plenary indulgence, meaning all the temporal punishment is remitted, you also have to be free of all venial sins and all attachments to sin. Indulgences don't grant you forgiveness for sins or remit eternal punishment for them.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Carlos, arent indulgences something started by someone and it’s not anything to do with original Christianity? What’s the basis of indulgences from the Bible? I don’t remember learning if there is one. Thanks!! -Hamza

[@zacharyleblanc3143]

When someone repents, God removes his guilt (Isa. 1:18) and any eternal punishment (Rom. 5:9), but temporal penalties may remain. One passage demonstrating this is 2 Samuel 12, in which Nathan the prophet confronts David over his adultery: “Then David said to Nathan, ‘I have sinned against the Lord.’ Nathan answered David: ‘The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin; you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die’” (2 Sam. 12:13-14). God forgave David but David still had to suffer the loss of his son as well as other temporal punishments (2 Sam. 12:7-12). “Above all, let your love for one another be intense, because love covers a multitude of sins.” - ‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4‬:8 “For almsgiving saves from death and purges away every sin.” - Tobit 12:9 Judah and his men “turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out” (2 Macc. 12:42). Judah also “took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this . . . he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin” (2 Macc. 12:43, 46). Thus, Judah not only prayed for the dead, but provided for them the then-appropriate ecclesial action for lessening temporal penalties: a sin offering. Accordingly, we may take the now-appropriate ecclesial action for lessening temporal penalties- indulgences.

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

​@@MuslimMindsUS Well, there are also indulgences in Islam. When you make a hadj to Mekka Allah forgives many sins. The same is with indulgences.

[@robertedwards909]

Orthodox reject the doctrine of indulgences

[@calebjw5360]

​@MuslimMindsUS I'd argue it's not started by someone, but rather the result of a difference in interpretation of salvation in the bible. Catholics point to verses in the bible that indicate a soul must be cleansed before it can enter heaven, and other verses that indicate that justice still requires the existence of temporal punishment even though the eternal punishment(hell) has been forgiven. With this interpretation, one could infer that, 1. Since a soul must be perfect to enter heaven 2. Observation shows that saved persons are still imperfect and sin and 3. Justice requires penance for sin, there must be a place/process where a saved person can recieve that final cleansing and remission of the consequences of sin and that place/process is called Purgatory. I have more info in another comment too!

[@skladzasnimki6th818]

My Muslim friends (one from India, one from Pakistan, one from Nigeria) tell me they fast from sunrise till sunset, but at night they can eat and drink.

[@helpfulldeadguy8150]

A big reason these two groups split was that the apostles split up and traveled around and found churches everywhere. The last churches they found usually had sway over other churches in matters of doctrine to nearby churches. Peter's church in Rome had sway over a large group of churches and as they saw other apostle churches fall either through war, intolerance of christianity, or bankruptcy they cemented their rule originally as a means of banding together to more effectively aid eachother. This grew until the modern Catholic church you see today while the Orthodox resisted this centralized form of leadership for Patriarches that govern regions, but not central figure.

[@harz632]

I don't understand the point of modern Ramadan fasting. You don't eat while it is sunlight, but when it becomes dark, many Muslims at least here in my country basically hold feasts where the whole family comes together. I don't know if that is the point of fasting, abstaining for 12 hours just to then indulge in more food than what you would eat the entire day while not fasting. I have met one Muslim man that is very extreme during Ramadan, he eats and drinks nothing during the day and at night he eats one date, one flat bread and drinks 1.5l of water, once after dusk and once before dawn. And after hearing how he fasts, I really started doubting the way other people fast.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey H Arz, the prophet Muhammad ﷺ has said according to Sunan Ibn Majah: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: ‘A human being fills no worse vessel than his stomach. It is sufficient for a human being to eat a few mouthfuls to keep his spine straight. But if he must (fill it), then one third of food, one third for drink and one third for air.’” Myself, my friends, and my family never indulge in Ramadan and by the end of month we eat little due to the consistent fasting. If there are Muslims that fast incorrect it’s just that. Muslims making mistakes, so I would definitely keep in mind the difference between the faith and followers. Similarly in other faith traditions like in Christianity many people do not uphold the actual tenants of the faith but that is not reflective of the faith itself. Lastly it’s permissible to enjoy good food with family to a certain degree as the point of fasting is not to torture yourself, but rather test yourself during the daylight ours and showing willingness to obey God for his pleasure and to gain God consciousness. -Rohaib

[@antoniousai1989]

The concept of Peter being the first pope is strongly emphasized by Catholics. Originally, there were 5 patriarchs of the 5 biggest communities of Christians. It was only late that the Patriarch of Rome, the Pope (reminding you that pope in Greek is the equivalent of "father", as in a priest), pushed the idea of primacy, around the end of the 10th century, which led to the schism between catholics and orthodox that happened in the 11th century. Also, there are differences between Catholics and Orthodox that lie on the nature of the belief itself and I can't honestly explain properly because it is the stuff of a theology course, with strong roots in ancient and medieval philosophy.

[@vladislav3]

The idea of indulgences is that even though your sins are forgiven by the priest in confession after you do a penance, you still are held temporally accountable for those sins in purgatory. Indulgences will remove or lessen the temporal stay in purgatory. Today, no indulgences are in return for money, which was a corrupt practice that paid for the Vatican!

[@ochem123]

6:32 Order the book called “The Raccolta”. This has a list of indulgenced prayers. This will explain more about indulgences and give you a feel for how they work.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for the recommendation ochem123!! -Rohaib

[@ochem123]

@@MuslimMindsUS You’re welcome! Here’s an example of an indulgenced prayer: Raccolta Prayer #49 Almighty and everlasting God, who hast given unto us Thy servants grace by the profession of the true faith, to acknowledge the glory of the eternal Trinity, and, in the power of Thy divine Majesty, to worship the Unity; we beseech Thee, that by our steadfastness in this same faith, we may evermore be defended from all adversities. Through Christ our Lord. Amen (Roman Missal). An indulgence of 5 years. A plenary indulgence on the usual conditions, if this prayer is said devoutly every day for a month (S. G. Ind., July 2, 1816; S. P. Ap., March 23, 1936). Omnipotens sempitérne Deus, qui dedísti fámulis tuis in confessióne veraæ fídei, ætérnæ Trinitátis glóriam agnóscere, et in poténtia maiestátis adoráre Unitátem: quæsumus, ut eiúsdem fídei firmitáte ab ómnibus semper muniámur advérsis. Per Christum Dóminum nostrum. Amen (ex Missali Romano).

[@sakarael_rex]

The fact that Orthodox priests have long beards and Catholic priests do not is due to culture and tradition, as has been said by you in the video. There are passages in the Old Testament that favour the wearing of long beards as righteous men, but these are not considered necessary by the Catholic Church, as the New Testament is silent about beards. Another reason, at least that's how my Catholic priest explained it to me, is that in the course of the division of the Roman Empire and the invasion of the Western Roman Empire by the Germanic and Hun peoples, beards were seen as something pagan and barbaric, since Huns and Germanic peoples usually wore long beards. Therefore, well before the Great Schism, it developed in such a way that no beards were worn by the clergy in the West, while it is still prevalent as a practice in the East today. Hope that helps as an explanation!

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for the informative explanation on the beards! -Rohaib

[@-Cipher--]

The video kind of glossed over the hierarchy of Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy does have leading figures, they just dont have a single universally powerful leader like the pope. And instead of having a unilateral figure like the pope, we have Patriarchs. Any major decisions regarding the faith needs to be unanimously accept by the Patriarchs via a council.

[@mateionuta9312]

Matthew made e distinction translating the word ‘kefa’ (stone in aramaic) in greek as ‘Petros’ (for Peter) and ‘petra’ (for rock). The early Church Fathers (beside Augustine and Ambrose) recognized a primate of honor in Peter, not jurisdiction and therefore the ‘petra’ was Christ (according to their position but also Scripture, where Paul and Peter themselves reffer to Christ as the Rock, and also the OT teaches us God is the Rock). Also there is no ‘the Holy See’ but ‘Holy Sees’ for all the apostolic successions and the most important ones are the Petrine Sees (Rome Alexandria and Antioch), Constantinople reserves a special statut as founded by Andrew (the first called among the apostles, from wich the term ‘primus inter pares’ comes) and Jerusalem for being the first Holy See founded by James the relative of Christ.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

Our Catholic lent lasts, as you rightfully said inspired by Christ's fasting, for 40 days before Easter which gets broken on the day of the Lord (Sunday) and every Friday is also a day of lent. And yes it is different from Muslim fasting and meat is banned, many other things can be depending on the regional tradition also banned (e.g. in Germany monasteries rediscovered beer brewing which was originally drunken during Lent as eating bread was also banned here). Nowadays, besides the no meat eating, fasting has become a lot more individualistic, so many people will e.g. not use the internet during that time, don't watch TV, stop smoking or breaking some other habit that is part of their everyday life

[@gajorg69]

One of the big differences between both are which church councils they adhere to and interpret as legitimate.

[@roen6800]

Regarding Indulgences, you're right, what was stated is odd. That's because the the presenter, unfortunately, doesn't understand the theology of Indulgences. Indulgences do not pardon sin and they certainly do not "license the commission of future transgressions." The Sacrament of Penance pardons sin, but Indulgences are granted to those who have satisfied Divine Justice so that a soul is either completely released from Purgatory or the temporal punishment is reduced.

[@Sagemaze]

Peter was a bishops, all bishops are equal. The rock mentioned in the Bible, is Peters confession. Peter also was the bishop in Antioch, is the Bishop of antioch also the Pope then? No. All bishops are equal, the one in Rome WAS the first among equals. Not above any of the other. He was the first among equals due to double apostolic succession. The Catholic interpretation changed only much later on. [edit] the 40 day fast of Jesus is also practiced by The Church. Its called easter fast/ lent. And goes for 40 days. Then we fast Most Wednesdays and fridays, monks also fast on Monday in addition and then there are different fast days and periods throughout the year.

[@parker_chess]

The main difference is the Papacy and also the Filoque which Rome added to the Nicene Creed. There are also changes and additional councils the Catholics had after the schism. In other worlds Rome has innovated and Orthodoxy has held onto the traditions.

[@georgemixis2172]

One more comment, my friends: the thoughts around 4:50 on the Roman Catholics partaking in an act of confirmation, whereas the followers of Orthodoxy initiate the infant in the mysteries of the church during the rite of baptism (even though the child does not understand the matters of faith)... it is similar to the followers of Judaism where although the child is not of age to understand, yet they are initiated in the rite of circumcision and considered members of the body of faith.... expecting that the parents (et. al.) will indoctrinate (or train them up) in the faith as they go along. If I am correct, the followers of Islam also have circumcision; although I don't know if they perform this rite an a very young age.

[@handel1111]

Orthodox priests have beards because they inherited that tradition from Greek philosophers, hence longer beards equates to wisdom. Orthodox is also called Greek Orthodox While Catholic priests on the other hand are clean shaven is inherited from the Roman soldier's tradition on almost shaving everyday. Catholic is also called Roman Catholic

[@masikorski6411]

Biggest difference that divided the catholics and orthodox churches was something called "Filioque". Catholics claim that Holy Spirit comes from both Son and Father (as all are part of the Trinity) while orthodox say Spirit only comes from Father. Also, the holy items can get crazy. In the middle ages two churches (one in France, other in Germany I think) claimed to have original John the Baptist's head. Also in book called "Krzyżacy" (semi-historical work detailing polish war with the teutonic order) there is a merchant of relics. He had archangel Gabriel's wing feather, a plank from ladder Jacob dreamt about, rust from st. Peter's keys to the gates of heaven and st. John's sweat from his fight with a dragon. The character is a satire, but really this was how some scammers worked in 15th century.

[@h.-n.a.6630]

At about the 1:50 : No, Jesus didn't say Peter to be the first Pope, but said that the meaning of salvation is what Peter said-the faith that Jesus is the Messiah and the Salvator! This homology is the rockbasis-the petra, of someone's salvation.

[@alexpanagiotis4706]

Sahih Muslim 289a 'Amr b. Maimun said: I asked Sulaiman b. Yasar whether the semen that gets on to the garment of a person should be washed or not. He replied: A'isha told me: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) washed the semen, and then went out for prayer in that very garment and I saw the mark of washing on it

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Alex, thanks for sharing the hadith, although I’m not sure how it related to this video lol. Yes, cleanliness is a major part of our faith. It’s our obligation to clean our clothes, especially before praying. Thanks! -Hamza

[@robotube7361]

The Pope himself is a Patriarch. The Caholic Church simply broke away from the other 4 Churches. The Patriarchs of the 4 other Churches: Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria all have equal status as the Pope. The Pope was considered First among equals. However, the Pope wanted to be supreme over the other Patriarchs and thus he broke the Pentarchy and proclaimed himself infalible (One who couldnt make a mistake and one without sin) which literally is a heresy because he is human and thus prone to mistakes and sin no matter how holy.

[@asimpleuser123]

The notion of indulgence is wrong. To gain indulgence, you already need to be in the grace of God and going to heaven. If you are not in the grace of God and receives an indulgence, it profits for nothing. Also, an indulgence DOES NOT forgive sins or gives permission to sin. The indulgence PAYS THE DEBT due to an ALREADY FORGIVEN SIN. So, instead of you going to purgatory for X time to pay the debt for an forgiven sin before achieving heaven, you go to heaven sooner because the debt of that sin is already paid. And you go to heaven only because your sin is already forgiven. If you die in grave sin, you will go to hell, it doesn't matter if you receive indulgence or not.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

As towards the minor differences: the reason for the split was predominantly due to politics: at that time the Roman emperor of Byzantium and the Pope were in a power struggle over who was in charge of the church. Eventually the Pope declared the Frankish King Karl der Große/ Charlemagne to be Roman emperor while eastern Rome was ruled by the widow of the deceased eastern Roman emperor using the vacancy to name a champion of his own against the power of the east. For a long time the emperor was regarded as being higher than the pope (hence it was the Holy Roman Empire) in Catholicism all the way up to the investiture crisis when Pope and Emperor fought openly over who was in charge and a separation between worldly and religious power was introduced in the west. So in their core essence Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the same church that got split mainly due to political reasons (there was also some religious struggle over iconography at the time that played into it) and have developed differently due to the political landscape and traditions of their respective people since, however on all the major topics we are still in much more agreement with eachother than e.g. the protestant (except Anglicanism, which is basically Catholicism without the pope, again a split due to political not religious reasons) denominations

[@MaSsiVeGaming1]

When it comes to beards, I think it's mostly cultural and depends on where you live. Catholics can have beards as many do, or shave. Popes in the past used to have beards.

[@unbrokenmachine]

In Old Testament says that people who are devoted to God do not cut their hair and beards. As well as some other conditions. That's why you see that Orthodox Monks, and Priests aren't cutting their hairs and beards. (Leviticus)

[@MuslimMindsUS]

This is pretty interesting! Thanks for sharing Dimitris -Rohaib

[@unbrokenmachine]

@@MuslimMindsUS have a nice day brother

[@gregdandoulakis6667]

I AM GREEK ORTHODOX (ORIGINAL) THREE ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES. 1. THE UNMISTAKABLE OF POPE , WE DONT ACCEPT. 2.THE HOLY TRINITY , FOR ORTHODOX THE HOLY SPIRIT IS EQUAL TO CHRIST UNDER THE FATHER. 3. THE ORTHODOX COMMUNITY PRIESTS MUST BE MARRIED FIRST. IF I MIGHT SAY , ORTHODOX PRIESTS ARE MORE INTERGRATED IN EACH COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE MORE FORGIVING ON THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE. THE CAN BE FARMERS , BUILDERS OR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS , TOO . THEY TAKE PART IN THE PARTIES OF THE VILLAGES , IN CRETE AT LEAST I CAME FROM THEY ARE GOOD TRADITIONAL DANCERS...... THEY DRINK WINE.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Nice to know how orthodox people differ! Thanks for the info -Hamza

[@nikostheater]

The beard thing is not dogmatic, but it's cultural and at this point is do entrenched, that basically in traditionally orthodox countries is basically unthinkable for a priest of bishop to not have at least some beard, or try to grow one at least.

[@richarddeerflame]

Fasting, during Lent in Catholicism is roughly 40 days. One can choose to fast as much since lent follows Jesus fasting for 40 days. We choose to fast entirely like Muslims or just meat. Now im a vegetarian hahah so im a lucky Catholic, means I fast all the time non stop lol in terms of not eating meat. haha . But for me then I would try to reduce to 1 meal a day, and only bread and water.... during lent.. but it depends. It's a very personal thing fasting in Catholicism although lent is the time generally in the church it is done.

[@nikostheater]

The main big differences are basically 3: the Pope, the Filioque and the new dogmas from the Catholic Church after the schism. All of them are difficult issues for different reasons, historical and dogmatic and cultural.

[@thephilosopherfromdixie7466]

Grave sins incur both guilt and temporal punishment. They both 1. sever you from the divine life of grace and 2. Incur a merit for punishment. Indulgences only remove the latter, and only for forgiven sins Sacramental confession (or the anointing of the sick, in extreme cases) is required to remove the former. You also cant buy indulgences.

[@nikostheater]

Orthodox Christians fast for almost half a year: Every Wednesday and Friday abtain from meat, 40 days during the Great Lent abtain from meat AND animal products and at some days that includes oil, also there is a fast 15 days from start of august until the 15 of august were the passing of the Theotokos is commemorated and also 15 days before Christmas. our way of fast is different than the Muslim one basically in that we abstain from some food categories, while Muslims are fasting from everything every day and they eat what they want after dark and before dawn at Ramadan.

[@NickTwohig]

I'm not a Catholic anymore (for many years), but I was brought up in the Catholic church my entire childhood and I never once heard anything about indulgences. First time I heard about it was in a world history class in public school. The video you're watching here genuinely seems like an Orthodox video. I hate the Catholic church, but even I'm like "ok. this seems a little slanted".

[@pikedagger]

There are Roman Catholic Monks that also wear a beard. I feel the video y'all watched was absolutist information. We also do fast and abstain from food, especially during lent and Holy Week. I have always said that Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are two wings of the same bird. I want to compliment the both of you for being so respectful of the traditions of both faith, it was refreshing to see.

[@jacobasselta2419]

An indulgence is not for the forgiveness of sin it is for the remission of sin. Forgiveness is granted from Christ alone by his death on the cross, this gets you out of hell. However, catholics believe you still must repair the damage of your sin in this lifetime otherwise you will repair the damage of your sin by purification in purgatory before you will enter heaven. The time spent in purgatory depends upon the level of your sin. One can repair sin by acts, such as pilgrimage, sacraments, reading scripture, alms giving etc. The church has the power to officiate these acts through indulgences. These indulgences depending on the level of the act can either remit time in purgatory or exempt time all together in purgatory, because they are time based they can apply to future sins as well. This is because its not forgiveness for sin but is reparation for sin. However, any one indulgence will not wipe away time in purgatory for all future sin. Its also important to note a person receiving an indulgence can apply it to loved ones who died in a state of grace but are assumed to be in purgatory because no one is not a sinner. It is also important to note that monks and nuns do this all day, they pray for those in purgatory and by living a life of absolute sacrifice and devotion to God apply their acts as indulgences to those souls in purgatory to expedite their time there so that they may enter heaven sooner. I know thats a lot but thats's honestly the shortest honest explanation I can give.

[@4400seriesFAN]

1) Kids below a certain age (around 7) do NOT participate in church. They get baptized as soon as possible though (normally at their firat 40 days), because the baptism is the procedure the grants you your personal guardian angel. This personal guardian angel is supposedly, the entiry that will try to raise you in the eyes of God, when you die and you pass through His judgement. It is your representative against your sins that are represented by demons. 2) The actual reason for the beard is to show that these people have abandoned their care for earthly and aonful things, such as their looks, because their looks is there to attract other people and sin. Therefore, they are supposedly showing their dedication to a life with as few sins as possible.

[@kylemarthaller3920]

Extra history made a series on the council of Nicaea. The council of Nicaea is basically the spark that leads to the separation between the Catholic and orthodox churches .

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Kyle, thanks, maybe we’ll check that series out one day!! -Hamza

[@thatwolfensteinguy8954]

​@@MuslimMindsUS the council of Nicea never made a spark between orthadox and Catholic because both groups didn't even exist yet, maybe he means the second council of Nicea

[@felipealejandroreyes2144]

I'm from a Roman Catholic country (Colombia) 🇨🇴 but i converted to Orthodox faith ☦️. I'm proud of how Christian is the people in the Towns of my country but in the big cities the people is atheist liberals and the Roman Catholic Church does nothing to fight against that !

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

An indulgence cannot get you out of hell, but it can lessen your time in purgatory. In Catholic belief there is heaven, hell, limbo and purgatory. Limbo is for unbaptised babies, it isn't heaven but there is no torture like hell. Hell is for the wicked and those that haven't accepted the faith. Purgatory is a way station beween heaven. In Catholic belief you must be cleaned of all your sins before you can get to heaven. While you're alive the church can keep wiping your sins but if you die with some sins that haven't been forgiven then you wont go straight to heaven. You'll be in purgatory for a long while before you can get to heaven, sometimes up to 10,000 years. An indulgence is given by the pope to lessen the time in purgatory. These are given out of the churches kindness. You can get them while you're alive by helping the church. At the time of the reformation the church was selling indulgences. Luther thought this was wrong and found there was no scripural basis for it, or for indulgences or even for purgatory.

[@Mikemanify]

It is completely false to state that indulgences "erase sins, even future ones". The teaching on indulgences in one of the most misunderstood in Catholicism. In order to gain an indulgence a person must first have sincerely repented of their sins and confessed them and received absolution. The indulgence then gained forms part of the penance due. That is the reparation. If a person gains an indulgence it relieves part or even all of the time due in purgatory. However, this can never be "bought with money". Indeed, to gain a plenary indulgence is extremely difficult. The person does not just need to repent and be in a state of grace (free from mortal sin) but they also must be free from all attachment to sin. Has this doctrine been abused before? Yes. No doubt. But it is also important to tell the truth about a teaching. Even if you reject that teaching, tell the truth about it. Someone I know said to me that the reason why Muslims don't eat pork is that they think pigs are sacred. Obviously the person is mixing up Islam with Hinduism. I corrected the person by telling them the truth about what each religion believes. It is Hinduism that holds the cow sacred. Islam views pork (pigs) as not being halal or clean. Finally, Lent which begins tomorrow, Ash Wednesday, corresponds to Jesus fast of 40 days. Serious Catholics take it seriously.

[@jonny0172]

Orthodox fasting is eating no food made out of animals, no wine and no oil. That maens only Boiled or steamed food. This is strongest form of our fasting and most common way. There still some lighter days were you can eat cheese or drink wine.

[@oceanblue7555]

As a Catholic, it is true that there is a lot of disinformation about indulgences, especially if we are talking about the controversy in the 1500s when Protestantism began as a reaction to it. Basically indulgences could consist in giving money to the Church but not because you can buy forgiveness or authority from God (which is called simony and it is very bad) but rather it was used to finance St. Peters Basilica in Rome. Catholics think that using beauty to decorate churches is a way to honor God and a useful way to elevate the faithful's mind to Him: think about those sad grey blocks used in post modern architecture who make many people depressed just by looking at them, well Catholics wanted to avoid it.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey ocean blue, appreciate the info on indulgences used to fund the Roman Basilica. Hope you subscribe, a lot more content coming soon!! -Hamza

[@oceanblue7555]

@@MuslimMindsUS thank you a lot!

[@carlose4314]

Byzantine Catholics have the same calendar for fasting as the Orthodox do. There are also different types of fasting, some days are more strict while others are less.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Carlos, what is an example of a day that would be less or more strict to fast? -Hamza

[@moranaokeoke990]

​@@MuslimMindsUSfasting is no meat products, only fish alowed(if we talk about food only). Some days you can eat food cooked on oil, and some days is strikt can eat only food cocked on watter(like boiled potato or so).

[@himselfz]

Great video ❤ Happy i found your channel in its first steps 😀 if you need help with ideas or something else ill be happy to help 🎉

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you Shmediyaho

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thanks himselfz!! Out of curiosity, what faith and or denomination as you a follower of? We love knowing about our audience! 😁 -Hamza

[@zealousideal]

Orthodox don’t believe in a Pope because they say that was a later addition/change. To EO, he was just always considered “First among equals” nothing more. So, to them It makes more sense to just have patriarchs and councils and not a one head archbishop calling all the shots. Pope just meant Papa in Greek and he was just the bishop of Rome (which he still is). I’d also argue that just because Peter was told this by Jesus, doesn’t mean or automatically make him a bishop or at least not a Pope. (Though I get why they have it and believe in him) and It does make a lot of sense too. There are pros and cons to each systems. But to be honest and be fair, a lot of it is semantics, and the Catholics also have Christ the head of their church.. just as the orthodox have patriarchs which are basically their Popes. 🤷🏻‍♂️ so the whole argument is silly to me. Indulgences are not what most people think they are. So no, it’s more to it and different than what you mentioned. Muslims don’t have to have beards either. I was Catholic , orthodox, and a pastor, before becoming Muslim.

[@CYC_JP]

Another excellent video. Orthodox brothers view St Peter as the first head of the apostles and had certain primacy, not exactly a "Pope" as to today's Romish Papacy concept.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

I see, that clears things up a lot, it’s understood that St Peter was given an authority but Orthodox do not view the modern day Papacy as an accurate representation of that authority Thanks for sharing -Rohaib

[@georgemixis2172]

Ok, sorry... here I am again. As to the thoughts on the Eastern Orthodox on beards, actually.... in the original practice of beards the earliest fathers of the church taught that man was created different than women and were meant so by God. There is even a mention in the Old Testament on God instructing the Hebrew men were not to behave as the idolators in Canaan who cut their beards in different ways. So although the minsters of the Orthodox church are commonly observed with full beards, it was the original intent in ancient times that all men were to practice this... but that has been misunderstood in our times, so many men do not grow their beards.

[@KingdomHeirsChannel]

its not a tradition to grow beared its in the bible commanded that men and priests to not cut their hair and beared

[@nikostheater]

About the clergy: in orthodox christianity, there are 3 basic ranks of priesthood, a deacon, a priest and a bishop. A deacon and a priest can be married or unmarried ( of course the monks can only be unmarried ), but a priest cannot marry after his ordination. A married priest cannot become a bishop. The bishops are strictly celibate. Also, women cannot enter the priesthood at all, although there was the institution of deaconesses but that fell out of use the last millennium of so and frequently there are discussions for resurrecting it, but you know, when a tradition is solidified, it's difficult to change in the Orthodox Church. Women can be monastics as well, but in separate monasteries.

[@user-ld3qz8kh5n]

there is one main,very important dogmatic difference,the ''filioque''....all the others are cultural of minor importance

[@panose6542]

Orthodox here The Orthodox position on the pope is that yes, in Matthew 16:18 Peter is ordained the first bishop, and then the other apostles are granted the same authority later. I don’t remember the exact verse. Thus all bishops are equal, but we give special honors to certain bishops and give administrative duties to certain other bishops. tl;dr all bishops are equal in the eastern view. The early church didn’t have a supreme bishop, it had 5 important administrative bishops called patriarchs, the only patriarch outside of the eastern half of the empire was the pope whose seat was diapostolic in other words, 2 apostles died in Rome, so the west developed the doctrine that the pope was supreme over the years, partly supported by a series of forgeries and mistranslations of certain documents from Greek to Latin. The clerical beard vs no beard thing is just a difference in ascetic tradition that developed over the years. I might be wrong but it is probably based on the difference between the monastic rules since in the east our monasticism has its origin in Saint Basil the Great and in the west the basis is Saint Augustine(?) The Orthodox fast is just different from the Islamic fast, traditionally it is cut out all meats, animal products, alcohol, and cooking oils or something to that effect. In the Bible we are told not to flaunt our prayer or fasting, from that perspective the Islamic fast, as I understand it, where you don’t eat in the day but eat anything in private at night seems strange. There are particular feast days where the fasting rule becomes less strict or is exempted If I remember indulgences are derived from the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory where you can do a good work of some kind and receive a certificate that you receive a reduced sentence in purgatory for lesser sins. Eventually indulgences develop well past what it was, for instance, the Pope gave a blanket indulgence to all crusaders, and eventually corrupt clergy sold indulgences to raise funds and enrich themselves. They later become so corrupt it triggers the Protestant reformation This video doesn’t go over the doctrinal differences only the mainly cosmetic ones

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for clarifying some of the differences and expounding on them Panos -Rohaib

[@panose6542]

@@MuslimMindsUS you’re welcome

[@mitkodimitrov8396]

do you know that all muslims are former christians, buddhists, jews, zoroastrians and so on,what teach your religion,despite wars,with other religions?

[@apoolplayer278]

The catholics think that it suffices to believe in Jesus's intervention to recieve god's grace and enter heaven; and if it suffices indeed, than your job as a Christian is to remember other people about Jesus, maybe to learn how to adapt your discourse and your demeanour as to attract more people. So they try to be very public. The orthodox think that believing is not enough to reach salvation, you might want to do other things aswell, such as helping those in need, display exceptional kindness. So your actions , which presumably stack, and are counted somewhere, are a necessary completion of your belief, because your real beliefs may remain private, unexpressed without you realizing.

[@nickz4444]

Orthodox christians fast for 40 days like jesus and they start 40 days before the resurrection and end 1 day before the resurrection

[@dudikapanteric1141]

As an Orthodox christian, not everyone will tell you the truth which is: a true Orthodox christian do not consider chatolics or protestants as real christians.

[@pete1590]

Indulgences are not to be sold! They were sold at one time in history but only in one German parish. No where else! Indulgences are not to be sold or bought, but earned or given.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Pete, how were indulgences earned? -Hamza

[@pete1590]

@@MuslimMindsUS You could get an indulgence let’s say if you were sick and dying. A priest would grant you one so you could be purified before you die. But it a circumstance where you are healthy and not going to die for a while probably, then you could earn one by doing good deeds like donating to the poor, teaching others about Jesus and his ministries, or even just helping out the community by cleaning streets or organizing fundraising events. Others things you could do are acts of suffering or penances. Some acts include giving up some of your meals for the day, wearing uncomfortable clothes, or even just sacrificing some of your privileges. Spiritual things would include praying an extra rosary for the day or reading extra verse and chapters of the Bible. To get an indulgence you would need to do many of these things not just a few and you need to do them often.

[@nikostheater]

Fun fact: in every icon of Jesus Christ, there is a crossbeam in His halo and the words Ο ΩΝ are written. Ο Ων is the name of God from the burning bush incident, as mentioned in the Septuagint translation of the Jewish Bible. That is to emphasise that Jesus is divine and the God of the Jewish bible. Not a god. THE God, YHWH.

[@MaSsiVeGaming1]

There really is no such thing as giving money to the church to buy forgiveness or erase sins, if there ever was such a thing. People can ask for forgiveness for sin through prayer to God. The idea likely comes from Catholics often donating to the Roman church to fund church repairs or to help build new churches in the medieval and Renaissance period.

[@alejandrosarubbibogado7748]

hello, im catholic but dont have a lot of experience with orthodox cristians, yes catholics believe that orthodox are really close to us, we recognize that their sacraments and their priests are valid and that they have apostolic succesion like us, we pray for unity the 2 major diferences are indeed the papacy and filioque as one comment said, filioque is latin for "and the son" catholics proclaim that the holly spirit procedes from the father "and the son", orthodox believe that the holly spirit procedes only from the father. the orthodox do have bishops and they are the leaders, they have churches that govern themselves but maintain comunion with one another, the bishop of constantinople is refered as the first ammong equals, but its not like the papacy. he is the primary spokesman for the orthodox comunion there was a great schism in 1054 the bishop of rome(the pope) and the bishop of constantinople excomunicated one another and we remained divided since then, but in this thousand years of history divided we didnt drift apart that much, we both remained were we are, considering how the protestant reformation went we are really close, protestants leaved the church for half the time and i dont even know what to say about the results there

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thanks for the explanation of papacy and filioque Alejandro! -Hamza

[@manolismahlis9285]

You guys don't have apostolic succession, there was no pope for the first 300 hundred years ,you also burned at the stake thousands of people during the inquisitions and contributed to the anihilation of the original ihabitants of the Americas, Robbed Constantinople and did many other horendous things in the sight of God !

[@ProjectMirai64]

Y'all should make a video reacting to the Jehova's Witnesses which is a Christian sect trying to return to the original beliefs of Christianity in antiquity like denying the Trinity and all of that

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Nice recommendation, I’m sure we will react to Jehovas witnesses something in the near future. If there is any video you could recommend that would be helpful. -Hamza

[@ProjectMirai64]

@@MuslimMindsUS kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZCqeKeej7NgfM0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZi9lml4eNp2l5Y these two should be helpful

[@thatwolfensteinguy8954]

​@@MuslimMindsUS Jehovas Witnesses are interesting, but there belifies are a miss match of various heresies (Hell deniers, Jesus divinity deniers) while it's true early Christianity had many groups, not just the Proto Orthadox, all the Church Fathers, even if predating the word Trinity, believed Jesus to be devine.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 I heard though that the disciples of Jesus did not believe him to be Divine? If there any evidence for this or against it? Thanks for the explanation of Jehovas witnesses! -Hamza

[@manolismahlis9285]

Don't waste your time with fools like them.

[@JohnBoudouris]

I know the reason they broke apart, or at least the excuse and actual difference in belief. The differences you're describing happened during a thousand years where they drifted apart. Ok, are you ready for it? It's a translation mistake. You don't believe me do you? There you go en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_filioque_controversy. If you're bored of reading all those walls of text I'll summarize it. Around 300's the priests had a meeting where they decided how divine stuff works and how they must worship and pray. So they agreed that the Holy Spirit "derives" from the Father and is respected and praised by both the Father and Son. The word "derived" I used was the cause of the error in translation, although a translation for the Greek word exists in Latin, it's not 100% the same. In one language it means it derives and in the other it means in comes before. So some western churches started using this word to describe that the Holy Spirit comes before (is respected) by both Father and Son, but for eastern church it meant that it derives, "comes from", and the eastern priests didn't like it. That is the only difference in the belief, the rest is just differences in worshiping and traditions. Recently in 2021 I think, Pope Francis admitted that they got lost in translation...

[@slobyg2275]

1:44 Orthodox churches do have that figure,Catholics believe that pope is alive saint on this planet.

[@PastAff4irs]

Yo my brotehrs many of us christians fast when necessary , i usually fast wehn i want to gain spiritual food or when im sturggling with sin and temptation. The best form of fasting that is called the type that "moves the hand of god" is when you fast from seflishness and greed and from stuff for ur self cos the whole religins idea is denial of yourself for christ as he denied himself for us.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Thank you for that insight, in Islam it is encouraged to fast too when having sinful desires as well. Amazing similarity. I appreciate the comment. -Rohaib

[@martinbryaskov7709]

For Christianity, brothers and sisters. Psalm 135: 1 Praise the Lord. Praise the name of the Lord; praise him, you servants of the Lord, 2 you who minister in the house of the Lord, in the courts of the house of our God. 3 Praise the Lord, for the Lord is good; sing praise to his name, for that is pleasant. 4 For the Lord has chosen Jacob to be his own, Israel to be his treasured possession. 5 I know that the Lord is great, that our Lord is greater than all gods. 6 The Lord does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths. 7 He makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth; he sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses. 8 He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of people and animals. 9 He sent his signs and wonders into your midst, Egypt, against Pharaoh and all his servants. 10 He struck down many nations and killed mighty kings- 11 Sihon king of the Amorites, Og king of Bashan, and all the kings of Canaan- 12 and he gave their land as an inheritance, an inheritance to his people Israel. 13 Your name, Lord, endures forever, your renown, Lord, through all generations. 14 For the Lord will vindicate his people and have compassion on his servants. 15 The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by human hands. 16 They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. 17 They have ears, but cannot hear, nor is there breath in their mouths. 18 Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them. 19 All you Israelites, praise the Lord; house of Aaron, praise the Lord; 20 house of Levi, praise the Lord; you who fear him, praise the Lord. 21 Praise be to the Lord from Zion, to him who dwells in Jerusalem. Praise the Lord.

[@vladodobleja748]

In Orthodox Christianity we have the black fasting,no food or water for 24 hours!

[@sebastiancovac7879]

initially the division was mainly political. after the division of roman empire (western/eastern) in 4th century and fall of western roman empire in 5th, eastern empire (byzantine) was supposed to be recognized as the sole roman empire by the pope and western church. in order to preserve his and his church power and authority, the pope moved away from eastern empire and gave the title of roman emperor to the germanic rulers that conquered western empire and they in return recognized papal authority over their territory. this leads to one of the main theological differences between western and eastern church which is the believe in western (catholic) church that church teachings/ideology is not set in stone and that it can evolve and be interpreted differently over time. since the pope has supreme authority and is infallible (another thing that was added more recently to catholic teachings) he can make that decision. in eastern church change is less likely to happen. now in short if we look at main christian denominations (protestant, catholic, orthodox) and their highest form of authority it would be something like this: protestant: bible catholic: pope/church orthodox: traditions/history

[@nikostheater]

The Orthodox Church, believes that the bishops (including the Patriarchs and the Popes) are the successors of the Apostles. Peter was a leader of the early church , but the rock Jesus was talking about was his faith and not anything about Peter's leadership or authority. James and NOT Peter was the leader of the church of Jerusalem and various Apostles preached and founded various churches. Mark founded the church of Alexandria, Andrew in Constantinople, Patra etc. Peter founded other churches too besides Rome and of course, Paul was the Apostle of the Gentiles. Not to mention that Peter wrote nothing himself. 2 of the Apostles wrote gospels, Matthew (the tax collector) and John (the youngest and Jesus favourite). Mark was a follower of Peter and basically wrote his gospel from Peter's lectures and teachings and memories and Luke was a physician and a follower of Paul. There's nothing really special about Peter as far as the Orthodox Church is concerned and even in the ancient church, Peter and the seat of Rome didn't have any special authority or privileges.

[@outspeaker1229]

They didn't mention that Catholics follow schoolasticism while the Orthodox follow Pallamism.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Outspeaker, what are the differences between them?

[@manolismahlis9285]

Did they mention abou the strong connections Roman catholic priests have with pedofilia and sexual pervesity?