Mussolini (feat. Sean Chick)

[@louishardiman7749]

Why does this title and thumbnail make me think they're dropping the hottest track of 2024 😂

[@Vodgepie1]

Idk why some people complain about the side tangents/getting off topic. It’s one of the best parts if the show

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Mussolini said of the king that "even royal blood passes through mosquitos"

[@redjirachi1]

Rare Mussolini W

[@michaelr3583]

Thersites, if you are going to teach a class on ancient warfare you must extend it to the early 7th century to the war called The Last Great War of Antiquity. The last and longest war of classical antiquity opened in summer 603 when Persian armies launched co-ordinated attacks across the Roman frontier. The conflict was ideologically charged and waged on an unprecedented scale, drawing in all the available resources and great powers of the steppe world, between Turks, Arabs, and Avars, Persians and Romans along the full length of the Persian-Roman frontier. Twenty-five years later the fighting stopped after the final, forlorn counteroffensive thrusts of Emperor Heraclius into the Persians' Mesopotamian heartland and its end brought the classical phase of history to a close and the Middle East under Persian occupation in the 620s.

[@Deszigames]

I would also add that the rise of a Caliphate and defeat of the Romans was major turning point as it displayed the dominance of mounted soldiers over foot.

[@michaelr3583]

@@Deszigames Right. It marked the beginning of the so called "dark ages" dominated by muslim caliphates.

[@DanSam48]

There was a genocide in Palestine at that time. The Jewish population betrayed the Romans to the Persians and recent Israeli archeology suggests they may have slaughtered 60 to 90 thousand Christians. The attack was so blood thirsty the Persians leaned in and made them call it off. Reminds you that some things never change. Centuries later their descendants would take out two large apartment buildings full of residents at night, just to get at one guy.

[@justinallen2408]

​@DanSam48 you'd kill a lot of people for your homeland too if the enemy was on your doorstep cx the Christians treated the jews worse than Persians by far.

[@YiannissB.]

Regarding the Greco-Italian war, Sean's right about the intelligence failure of the italians and at 26:38 Thersites is right on point. I'll add that what the Greeks had in their favor was their mobilization plan. At the eve of the invasion 80.000 Italians faced a couple dozen thousand Greeks. Two weeks later Greece had mobilised 250.000 men. Granted, they were badly equiped and provisioned, but quantity has a quality of its own. The Greeks even counterattacked with some success. The fact that Italy prety much telegraphed for months it was going to invade helped alot. But even the Dictator of Greece Metaxas saw the writing on the wall and admited privately; Greece had no chance on the long run. The moment the Greek army's counterattack failed to reach the major ports of Vlore and Durazzo the italian army was bound to rebuild. By the spring of '41 Italy had 500.000 men in Albania, including some elite and brave divisions, and while the Spring Offensive was a proper italian Fiasco, the Greek army had expended its artillery ammunition (it had something like a month's worth left). Greece would need a miracle in order to last another year, even without the Germans joining.

[@johnmurdoch8534]

The italians also were fighting on very bad terrain, the germans poured in through bulgaria and while yeah they were better equipped they also werent fighting in the mountains.

[@YiannissB.]

@@johnmurdoch8534 the fact that Mussolini started the invasion in the dead of winter, in the roughest terrain south of the carpathians is just mind bogling

[@Μπρο]

​@johnmurdoch8534 they poured through the gap in the Yugoslavian border. The greco-bulgarian border was fortified the "metaxas line" was there and it has some mountains but not as bad as the Pindus

[@johnmurdoch8534]

@@YiannissB. his considerations were based on german timetables...not his own...if he didnt jump in then he felt hed be out of the war

[@aidanmcnary-hickey6778]

That brief bit you discussed about the mob made me suddenly want you guys to do a history of the American mafia steam

[@Theguy-rk6vc]

Actually if you want a good podcast source on the mob, check out the mob archeologist. They are legit researchers who give top tier information on the early American mob. Also check out the gangland history podcast for well sourced profiles of the mob.

[@aidanmcnary-hickey6778]

I’ll check them out but I still wanna hear these guys do it. I think I’ve watched just about every single one of their streams

[@herrdwabash]

I have "Lion of the Desert" on blu-ray. I was amazed at the quality of the production. Great battle scenes.

[@kennethknoppik5408]

Anthony Quinn and Oliver Reed two of my favorite actors. Yeah that was a great movie.

[@jbatts834]

“We will never surrender, We win or we die….”

[@budwyzer77]

2:30 It's strangely hard to define "Fall of the Roman Empire". Odoacer's coup? The 546 sack of Rome? The Lombard conquest? The rise of Islam?

[@kaykek7174]

For simplicity's sake it's usually just 476. And Islam has nothing to do with it.

[@abc-oq7dt]

Rome fell with Constantinople.

[@Μπρο]

Starts at 10:00

[@suppershadow1]

@1:44:10 in regards to the poor accuracy of the Italian guns I’ve heard a lot of that also had to do with the poor manufacturing of the shells.Italian battleships had some of the most complex mechanical range finders of the time and the guns at least on the battleships were designed for long distance firing, if I remember correctly there are reports of the British saying the Italians would commonly reach them but the dispersion would be so all over the place they’d never score a hit There’s a few videos out there discussing the Regia Marina the ones featuring drachinifel are always a great go to

[@irishcream9004]

A major difference between Germany and Italy at this time is that Mussolini was in a coalition with Capitalist, Royalist, and Conservatives, as stated in the Stream the Italian Social Republic is the government he wanted to impose in 1922

[@konst80hum]

Thanks for the stream!

[@kaykek7174]

Why don't you use Adblock?

[@YiannissB.]

Hey thersites, you went at the start about covering Arthur. You OUGHT to cover the 2004 movie with Clive Owen. With a review even. Also, werent Sarmatians an iranian people migrating?

[@nickjohnson6368]

Boom! Fascinating! And mussolini was shredded!

[@antonivsfortis]

36:22 bro just like me fr fr, what a guy

[@stanisawmuszel3912]

I wish Thersites and Sean did this talk with TIK. That would be awesome to hear all the discussion on nuances of the ideologies

[@irishcream9004]

The father of Fascism is Voltaire most of all

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Italo balbos name is in downtown new york on the street

[@rangermike5571]

Same in Chicago they also have the Balbo monument which despite its name was created thousands of years ago.

[@rangermike5571]

We also have a Benito Juarez high school

[@johnmurdoch8534]

@@rangermike5571 balbo way in chicago still is there to my knowledge

[@rangermike5571]

@@johnmurdoch8534 drive but yeah

[@ChristianReinholdt]

Had many good laughs during this. You two and Italian military history make for a great combination. Thanks guys!

[@patrickmcgartland7447]

Does anyone have Sean’s email? I’m trying to get a signed book for my brother for his birthday this month

[@mappotofu2562]

"At least Hitler tried" this is what I'm getting from this stream

[@Edge_Boye]

It’s a fair assessment

[@justinallen2408]

What?? Where'd you get that from cx mussolini hated Hitler he was a thug who forced italy into a war way to early because of his wild impatience

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

OMG why do you keep blethering on about next week's topic, and then continue talking about it after you've supposedly ended the subject??

[@irishcream9004]

Salut Il Duce o/

[@DanSam48]

When discussing if Mussolini was evil, the hosts said he was not as "the guy up in Germany?" Sean said how about from the perspective of an Ethiopian? Thersites says "For them he was just as evil as the guy up in Germany." So if we accept relative moralism, in what sense should an American feel that guy up in Germany was evil? What did he do to us? And given the people who should, by this standard, find the German guy evil, and what they're doing today when they have power over their neighbors in Gza and Lebnon, why should we adopt their perspective over that of the Germans, who come from the same stock as we do?

[@DeSaxofoonVanPeter]

That's a convoluted way of saying you're a white supremacist

[@mikemccartht4628]

What did he do to us? He declared war on us. What Israel is doing in gaza isn't relevant to what Germany did to the jews, both are reprehensible.

[@terrafullius]

Correct, we should not be dancing to the tune of our lodgers. This is getting a tad esoteric for YewTube though🚪🚪🚪🚪

[@RelivingHistory1]

Just say you're antisemitic bro

[@halflifeger4179]

Go on, just say you hate Jews, this is so pathetic and weasely