Must Christians Tithe?

[@MikeWinger]

Great job on this! Not only do I agree with your conclusions on giving I really appreciate you walking through an analysis of the reasons people offer for saying that tithing is required of us. That’s really helpful for people learning to think through issues biblically.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Thanks Mike

[@Madewithouthands]

Mike dropped in for a mic drop 🎤

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@staycdawn4162]

@@TheRemnantRadio TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@staycdawn4162]

@@Madewithouthands TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@TheReader6]

Many pastors who preach tithing hard don’t have faith that God will supply if people don’t tithe. It can be a lack of faith.

[@enocheubank4424]

Crying at 44:00. I watched this for answers and I got them. My home at this time is hurting financially. We haven't been able to tithe 10% or we would start losing things like cars and houses. I've had church people pressure through sermons and other ways to give 10% no matter what. My house needs a huge list of repairs that I don't know how to fix including a roof and a ceiling in one room. I've told God everything is His and He can have it. I truly trust He will provide but being the husband and sole provider of my family and not be able to pay for everything and not meeting the "tithe requirement" is heavy. Hearing this is such a blessing. Thanks Josh for all you do!

[@markb7067]

There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. We are free to give as we can, but not bound to pay money to a religious institution or anywhere else as many would have us believe.

[@williamcook9210]

To encourage you....don't feel guilty for one moment that you don't pay 10% of your income as tithes to a church. There is no such teaching in the Bible that God commands believers to tithe money. It is a lie. I stopped this monetary tithing nonsense 13 years ago after studying the Bible properly and learning the truth about tithes/tithing. I give freely from the heart according to the teachings taught by Paul the apostle. I support God's work and help the needy (1 Cor 16:1-3; 2 Cor 8-9; Gal 6:6; Phil 4:15-20). And I can assure you God just keeps on blessing. Don't let people convince you, you are cursed and robbing God. The deceitful pastors and tithe teachers say tithes is MONEY, but they don't have one scripture to confirm it. God says His tithe is FOOD, agriculture, fruits and livestock (Lev 27:30-34; Num 18:20-28; Deut 12:17; 14:22-23; 26:12; 2 Chron 31:5-6; Neh 10:37; 13:5; Mal 3;10-11; Matt 23:23; Luke 11:42). So someone is lying and we know who it isn't. Careful study of the Bible will teach us that the Old Covenant Law tithe commandment was given to Israel and no one else (Lev 27:30-34; Num 18:20-28). It was never given to gentile nations. Much more can be said here, but bottom line is the Levitical priesthood which was inseparable from tithes ended (Heb 7:11-12) because it was imperfect, weak and unprofitable (Heb 7:18-19). Once the priesthood ended so did the tithe commandment given to Israel and the Tribe of Levi (Num 18:20-21; Heb 7:5). Pastors and tithe teachers misuse Hebrews 7:8-9 to say that the New Covenant Church believer is to tithe. That is also incorrect, because Hebrews especially Hebrews 7 was written to Hebrews not to gentiles. The writer of Hebrews was teaching the scattered Jews of Israel after the Temple and Storehouse was destroyed in AD 70 that the Law as well as tithing had ended. Be assured gentile converts (therefore the Church today) has no tithe command, or as they teach from pulpits today that you have to give 10% of your income to the Church. It's a lie. Give freely from the heart if you can afford to.

[@mrmetrontech77]

This could be the best teaching I have ever heard on giving and tithing...thanks for doing this!

[@JanKrohn]

I agree. Quite possibly, most churches wouldn't allow this kind of teaching. But since Remnant Radio is not a church, they can do it. :)

[@markb7067]

There are several problems with the assertion that "tithes were established before the law." One would first have to ask who was it that "established" Abram's tithe since there's no biblical evidence it was required by God. However there is historical evidence that it was customary to submit a portion of the spoils of war to the ruler(s) of that land. Abram's submission to Melchizedek, the King of Salem, involved an exchange for food and wine and Abram gave away all of the spoils of war, declaring he would accept no profit from that event. There's no biblical evidence Abraham ever tithed again. Subsequently, Jacob made a contingent offer to tithe IF God provided for him (although there's no biblical evidence Jacob ever tithed). He would be wrong in doing so if tithing was required by God at that time or prior. Asserting that the "tithe is explained by the law" is problematic in that there's no relation or reference to Abram's tithe by Moses and only produce and livestock from within the Holy Land were accepted as a tithe item under Mosaic Law. The explanation for tithes under Mosaic Law is simply taxation and support for the Old Covenant system of atonement. Tithes were compulsory "payments," not gifts, and were facilitated through ceremonial and civil ordinances that are now obsolete under the New Covenant. Asserting that "the tithe is affirmed by Christ" is problematic because Jesus was chastising the Pharisees, not commending them in Mathew 23:23. Notice that tithes were defined as "mint, dill, and cumin", not money. Again, tithes were only received as produce and livestock from within the Holy Land. This ordinance was in effect during the life of Jesus. Also, Jesus indirectly classified tithes as a "lessor part of the law" which separates it from ongoing moral, spiritual law. There's also no biblical evidence that Jesus ever tithed, received a tithe, or left any instructions how anyone would tithe after his resurrection. Malachi 3:6-12 is specifically directed at the Levitical Priests and cannot be universally applied historically or currently. Read the whole book. In Malachi 1:6 and then, more directly in Malachi 2:1, the Priests are specifically addressed. That focus isn't changed in chapter 3. The tithe indictments mentioned in chapter 3 didn't apply to all of Israel, anywhere outside Israel, and not towards anyone today. It was the Priests that would bring tithes (no money) collected from the Levitical cities to the temple storehouse. Only Levites could have access to the inner parts of the temple, not all of Israel. The "windows of heaven" is a simple reference to rain, not money and the reference to "food in my house" is literal, not a metaphor for spiritual teaching. Mathew 5 makes no reference to tithing. Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant law, the Old Covenant sacrificial system of atonement. Tithes were carried out through civil and ceremonial statutes and ordinances that (partially) supported the Old Covenant system of atonement. Those ordinances are obsolete, as is the Old covenant system of atonement. Giving is a separate issue and we are free to give without limits, without a set minimum, money or otherwise, as we are able and as we are lead. But we are not biblically bound to tithe money to any religious institution (or anywhere) else and there is no biblical curse for not doing so. Blessings in your giving. We are encouraged to do so, not encumbered.

[@oladimejimakinde5160]

Very sound biblical argument. How do you argue against that? Tithing is a ceremonial law, not a part of the transcendent moral law. Same with Circumcision - the Judaizers had a problem with it, as some modern pastors have a problem with Tithing today. Do not forget that Circumcision also transcended the law, and was enforced in the law, and Jesus said nothing against it; yet it is a ceremonial law! Also, I have a question on who should receive the tithes? God gave a particular tithe to the Levites, since they had no portion in the land! Did the poor who had no land pay tithes? -- Did the early church (up to AD 300) tithe? Who did they tithe to: Levites? Giving freely, and not of necessity, driven by love is what was encouraged among the early church.

[@duncescotus2342]

That's good. If you can argue for the important stuff you'll be unstoppable.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@staycdawn4162]

@@duncescotus2342 TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@duncescotus2342]

@@staycdawn4162 Interesting! However, why should I listen to a prophet that God killed? David Wilkerson.

[@UncensoredChristian]

Great Video! These are definitely topics that need to be addressed more in the local church. It’s very surprising how set in stone these teachings on tithe have become with little or no study into the contextual application of the scripture used to enforce the modern tithe.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@adamslater1634]

VERY WELL DONE SIR!!! It is so necessary that we clean up the bad and corrupted doctrines that have created the Revelation 3 church of Laodecia in these last days. I have been doing just that by the leading of the Holy Spirit for several years now and you have now made the playlist for Bible study night at my home group. I totally got the spirit you were teaching from was pure in heart and that's what Jesus wants. Honesty, Integrity and Sincerity!!!

[@larrysellers6829]

I don't think tithes should be used for missions or vacation it should be used for the needs of the peaple

[@joshuaasley6168]

It's not about Tithe, but we give to the Lord because we love Him and we appreciate His blessings toward us.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@staycdawn4162]

Give to the Lord by giving to the poor, not these liars.

[@joshuaasley6168]

For the laborer deserves his food. Matthew 10:10b Actually, it IS biblical for a pastor to receive salary, because how else can a pastor make a living? Read 1 Corinthians 9 In full (not reading by one's own perspective, but God's). As for marriage, God in the beginning has ordained marriage between one man and one woman, not in any other ways (Genesis 2:24, Matt 19:4), but because men's minds are darkened, they supress this truth with a lie (same-sex marriage is biblical), and God in judgment let them give up the Natural Relations (as God created it) between man and woman, and are consumed with one another (man and man, woman and woman) (Romans 1:26-27).

[@michaelmerck7576]

Worship and money dont go together

[@michaelmerck7576]

​@joshuaasleyyet Christians dont owe a money tithe to provide for the church

[@mikerobertson4041]

Old Testament tithing was equal to a tax to support the priesthood. Remember that Israel was a theocracy at that time. We do not live under a theocracy, therefore giving should come from ones heart and as he is able to give.

[@brandyD33]

I appreciate the insight offered here. Awesome

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@louispick2668]

@@staycdawn4162 You keep saying the same thing over and over. The tithing wasn’t just food they also tithed on their gold , silver(exodus 25:32) which they called a wave offering..their livestock (lev 27:32) so you’re wrong about that.. but the apostle Paul was very clear in first Corinthians chapter 9 verse 14 that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.. how do you interpret that? It’s very clear Paul was saying he has a right to live off the gospel. He even says in verse 18 that he presented the gospel without charge.. why would he even make a statement like that if he didn’t think that he was able to receive from the church? Now I’m sure we all understand that Paul was a tent maker and he supported himself, but it was very clear that he said he could receive support from them..Then when he wrote the second letter to them also in chapter 9 read from verse 5 to 7..Again he’s clearly saying there before hand before he even comes to prepare a generous gift before hand..He then goes on to say let each one give as they purpose in their own heart. so we’re not under a law of how much we are to give, but it’s very clear in scripture that we are to give whether it’s money,time,food, shelter, clothing etc.whatever it may be we are called to give, Not grudgingly, not having someone compel you and make you feel guilty, But as each person purposes in his own heart. Now there are churches out there and ministers who take advantage of people and coerce you into feeling guilty and trick you into tenfold and hundredfold blessings etc. of course there’s always people out there that want to make a mockery of the household of God..But not all ministers of the word are in that category..And concerning your statements about same-sex marriage.. I think it’s very clear in the Scriptures. I think you already know the answer to that? you find it in the old testament you find it in the New Testament., Romans chapter 1 verse 26 and 27 very clear.. Paul calls it a vile passion..The book of Jude chapter 7 once again God calls it sexually immoral to go after strange flash..The men of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly wanted to defile the men that were in lots house and it’s very clear that lot understood their intentions when they asked to send them out that they may know them..If they wanted to just be friendly with them like people try to interpret that as that they weren’t being Hospitable, Lot clearly understood what they were trying to do that’s why he said take my virgin daughters because he knew how despicable it was what they were trying to do..

[@brandyD33]

Insightful, balanced and well thought out, as always. Especially loved the testimony portion of this livestream. God's so awesome! Appreciate the work you guys do. May God continue to bless it 😉

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@tead9684]

Absolutely love this clip. And totally agree. I've done studies on tithing and there are so many ways that people tithe in biblical days and most of it was with crops and animals. Everything that you said is SO on point. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for this clip. I know that tithing was something that was culturally done for the children of Israel and I also know that God loves a cheerful Giver

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@dylanmilks]

Very well done! Thank you so very much for covering this topic. It helped me out a lot.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@iancallard3561]

Well done. A tricky topic honestly tackled. But I suspect the tithe tradition persists more by cultural influence than theology. Here in UK, the Established Church levied tithes for the support of its rectors until their abolition (by Act of Parliament) in 1836. Most of today’s ‘bible-believing’ churches would teach tithing in some form. The minority ethnic ones are particularly interesting. The pastor may assume a social role traditionally occupied by a tribal chief. Any tithe-funded disparity in standard of living may pass with little comment. This compares with Protestantism’s historic tendency to endorse only modest prosperity - which gets reflected into clergy salaries. It earns criticisms of pastors getting rich at their members’ expense. Where did the ‘blessing’ of Malachi get ‘spiritualised’? I couldn’t find any Church Fathers who started the trend, not even Origen (with his love of allegorisation). But Augustine (City of God 20.28, 35) comments by admitting that in temporal material terms, the unrighteous may prosper equally to or more than the righteous. But God’s ‘scroll’ will properly reveal those who should be ‘spared’, which Augustine equates with the blessing of the New Testament. I loved your neat cross-example of levirate marriage. And your interpretation of Paul as a latter-day Levite. The formula is: New Covenant leads to a new temple leads to a new priesthood leads to new subsistence arrangements. The Acts 2 and Acts 4 community embodied the Old Covenant Jubilee. I should think that the widow of Luke 21 found her way into it. And the New Testament’s emphasis on hospitality may well provide an answer to church members who handle very monetary income but wish to share. The Old Covenant tithe embraced the poor, and I think we can see this in the Galatians 2 (and elsewhere) apostolic concern. So, when we have Paul teaching proportional giving (in 1 Cor 16, and 2 Cor 8 & 9) for his Jerusalem fund-raising project, he stands in a good tradition. Isn’t it infuriating that the New Testament doesn’t spell out how the local church ‘kept the lights on’? Meanwhile, today’s churches seem to prefer the comforting analgesic certainties of 10% over the challenging hard work of exploring Kingdom of God economics.

[@KM-zn3lx]

Acts churches were usually individuals homes..not a church building...

[@onesimustim8424]

Tithing as taught in the present day church is nothing like the tithe required through the law in the OT. What is taught and expected today is a system of revenue raising unsupported by either Old or New Testaments. The majority of the OT tithe did not go to financing of the priesthood, the temple or any religious system. When was the last time your church taught that you needed to take your tithe to Jerusalem and use it to pay for a big party in the presence of the Lord? (See Deut 14)

[@Madewithouthands]

@Desire Of All Nations did Jesus tell the crowd to tithe? Or did He answer a trick question posed by the Pharisees in the context of taxes?

[@onesimustim8424]

@Desire Of All Nations He was referring to people paying TAXES due to the Roman government, nothing to do with paying TITHES to the temple or church. There is absolutely NO New Testament directive for Christians to pay a tithe to a church or to a pastor. Giving - yes, but no particular percentage is specified.

[@markb7067]

@Desire Of All Nations in Matthew 22 It's interesting to note how Jesus makes an association of money with the government in this passage. This makes sense as money is government issued. Could it be that he’s also making a distinction between man-made items and spiritual “items”? Could it also explain why tithing under Mosaic law was strictly limited to items “of the land”? That natural items, provided for by God, are distinct from man-made items, particularly money? That only natural items provided by God can be considered holy and as such, can be offered as the “Lord’s tithe”? Jesus didn’t ask for a tenth of the money he was presented nor did he suggest a tenth of it should be tithed. He made a simple, yet direct distinction, then closed his case. This completely muted any association between spirituality and money as the Pharisees seemed to imply.

[@januddin8068]

@Desire Of All Nations that was about tax not tithes

[@standingfirminChrist]

Correct! In fact, in Matthew 17:24-27 we see Jesus telling the apostles to give a coin they stand to gain to Roman Tax Collectors in Capernaum. No instruction to first remove a tithe from the coin, but to give the coin to the Tax Collectors. To me, this event in Matthew 17 proves that Jesus' Father in Heaven did not requires tithes of moentary gain at all, and that Matthew 22:15-21 cannot be saying that a tenth of man's money is to be given to God.

[@thrufaithalone]

I spent about 2 years attending a church that had to raise the issue of money, giving, and tithing at every. single. service. I could no longer take it. It was breaking me and I had to leave. I loved the people, but there was no way to get away from the guilt inducing preaching. If a church is doing that to you, I would urge you to get out before they cause you to lose your faith. It will break your spirit. They will grieve you over and over. No matter how loving they are otherwise, this false teaching and guilt inducing will destroy you if you stay.

[@nickwadson5731]

The short answer - no. The long answer NNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@BlueWambat]

Pastorally, I always respond to the question, "Do I have to give 10% of my gross income to the church?" by encouraging people that they are maybe asking the wrong question. I suggest that it is like when a kid in the youth group used to ask me, "How far (sexually) is too far with my girlfriend/boyfriend?" It's the wrong question. It isn't addressing the heart. While the simple answer to the question, "Must I tithe?" is no. I think there is an opportunity to have a deeper conversation, which explores the heart and intent of giving. There is a clear connection between Malachi 3:10 & 2 Cor 9:10,11 in terms of God blessing us so that there is enough supply for our needs and also the needs of others that we are providing for through our giving. You did a great job on this, Josh.

[@markb7067]

I'm not seeing the "clear connection" between Malachi 3:10 and 2nd Corinthians 9:10-11. Care to elaborate?

[@BlueWambat]

​@@markb7067 Yeah, sure thing. Both passages teach the concept that when you give to provide for the needs of others, God will bless you so that your needs are also provided for. In the case of Malachi 3, the tithe was providing for the needs of the Levites, widows, orphans, foreigners, etc. all of whom could not farm their own land and provide for themselves. So the promise to open the windows of heaven, is God promising that if the people give, then He will ensure good rain and an abundant crop so that even after giving the tithe, they would still have all they needed for their own provision as well. In 2 Cor 9:10-11, I see Paul drawing a parallel (when asking the corinthians to contribute to the needs of the believers in Jerusalem) when he says "He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed... You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way."

[@markb7067]

@@BlueWambat Thank you for sharing. I think there are few differences that separate both instances, but I understand the comparison in concept. In particular, I like the phrase from 2 Cor 9:11 "...your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God." I've observed personally, that the more I can be useful to others (through giving or otherwise) the more fulfillment it produces, which ultimately creates more gratitude in my life. Indeed, it's more blessed to give than receive.

[@BlueWambat]

@@markb7067 Right on

[@lindarobey8935]

The devourer were locusts killing the crops and the abundant blessing was rain. (Malachi 3:8-10)

[@littleboots9800]

The question about the widows mite is partly right I think. We see her giving contrasted by Christ's statement right afterwards about the religious leaders "devouring widows houses." I think while Jesus was admiring her generosity he was not happy that she had been left in the situation that she was. She should not have been left in the position that 2 mites was all she had.

[@edwinadriffin9952]

I like that, what you just said. Keep up the good work. 😊

[@justincase6815]

2,000 years ago - we did not have human governments that provided welfare to those in need. How much of old and New Testament teaching surrounding the tithe had to do with caring for the poor and needy (widows and orphans)? Trying to understand the modern American version of Christianity where we have hundreds of thousands of church building projects, and a large chunk of some church’s budgets are used to pay for sound systems, light shows, marketing, music program fees, etc. I do believe we should give as God leads, and we should support our local church. I just think it’s a difficult thing in today’s society to draw a direct line of reasoning to old and New Testament examples of the tithe.

[@Liminalplace1]

Having been a Mission worker who often had to go to conferences to raise a greater mailing list to ask people to give, I can testify that the teaching on tithing actually hinders the work of God globally. I'd often hear from well meaning people that they tithe to their local church and if their church could give to our mission. These comments were from sincere Christians who loved the work of our mission and wanted the monthly newsletter and would pray. The irony was, most of our support came from small regular gifts I never missed a week in salary. The problem with local churches is they ask for money weekly and use tithing to get the money.. regardless of what the needs are. Supporting paid pastors and staffers is fine,(Galatians 6) but thinking the money goes via their is a "remnant" of Malachi "storehouse" mentality.. George Mueller never asked for money

[@jackzacharias8022]

There's a great little book called 'Jesus is the tithe', written by a pastor called Bertie Brits. It gives some great insight.

[@UncensoredChristian]

Here is something I have been thinking about lately. Is giving your “tithe” to the church, who then decides how the funds will be distributed a more hands off way of giving? I assume there would be less impact on the giver since they simply write a check and have no idea where it goes or how it is being used. It seems to be impersonal in comparison to other options. If that assumption is true would it be more fruitful to give our monetary gifts (tithe) in a more direct way to those who will receive it (giving to the poor, shelters, neighbors in need)? I assume this would be a more personal way of giving, being able to truly see how God is blessing others. It seems that the current model of “tithe” in the church attaches strings to our gift that are tied to us getting a return. If we gave our tithe directly, is it possible for us to see God blessing others and that example of grace ultimately bless us as well? I’m interested to hear y’all’s thoughts.

[@frugalmomofmany]

I see your point in that, but at the same time, it does take money to operate the church. If you go to a regular church, they have to pay for the building, power, upkeep, cleaning, yard work, and probably a pastor. They need money to keep the church running. I could also see a home church with several elders who are not paid to be a good thing. Then almost all money could be given to needs and missions either individually or by taking up an offering.

[@UncensoredChristian]

@@frugalmomofmany totally agree, the church does need money to operate. I guess my point is more towards larger churches where the leaders live far above their means or churches where they say your tithe helps them support vague causes. I’m not saying this as a universal for all churches obviously but many modern churches seem to use tithe as their paycheck instead of funds to be used to support their communities.

[@georgedecena9546]

Dude. I love you josh! Thank you for your heart to teach God’s ppl!

[@PastorJacobFrett]

Wonderful job. This is PERFECT!!!!! I've been saying this for years.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@januddin8068]

You did a good job here Josh

[@carahdawn8015]

Good job! I thought I'd heard everything I needed to know about tithes but I learned some things. CA is insane, I can't afford my own place here. Yes, I'd like to here Miller's advice on stewardship and money.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@mikewaskosky7046]

Yes Lord help us give sacrificially. To love You and others as You would have us Lord.

[@staycdawn4162]

TITHES WERE FOOD! This is straight from the mouth of Jesus: Mathew 10:8 YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT PAYMENT; GIVE WITHOUT CHARGE. Am I supposed to sue churches for fraud and false advertisement to get them shutdown? CHURCH LEADERS AREN'T REPENTING FOR ROBBING GOD! They all teach lies. David Wilkerson said there will be this thing called the Coronavirus and then churches will be taxed and shutdown. It's not Biblical for a Pastor to receive a salary. Paul says even taking of the food is a hindrance to the gospel. Then God showed me how Franklin Graham and some guy by the last name of Taylor changed the words of the Bible. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS A SIN. If anyone wants to know what I found, just ask. Read Leviticus 25:35 If a brother or sister becomes poor among you,, then that person shall live with you. Or how about Acts 4:32? SHARE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Why aren't Pastors preaching these? Because they are wolves that have all attempted to turn God into a money-making business. When someone receives money for ministering, prophesying, etc. it''s called prostituting the gifts God gave you. Abusers of themselves shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.❓ -Tonya Dieker

[@jolindaflanigan3729]

That is why I haven’t plugged into a church. 10 % is always a good Christian requirement. As divorced woman (not my choice) I was a stay at home mom before. Now I don’t think I can retire, and I am so happy to help my loved ones and help a little with poor.

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so very much 😊🙏! Learning a lot from your chanel!

[@CBPMOON1]

There are other factors to consider. Pastor positions are now a career. Mega churches pay their pastors very well on top of the books and music they push. Many pastors get special benefits from those who attend. I know one who has benefited from flipping homes through money lender from church friends. What about the 6- 10 billion Covid relief funds the churches received. I believe we are called to be a generous people but not necessarily to an organization.

[@lindamarner3872]

In Deuteronomy 14:22-26 explains that the people eat their own tithe in the 1st 2 years and give to the Levites on the 3rd yr. of harvest. On the 7th year no one plants or gives but eats whatever grows. There is no equivalent in our non agricultural times to their form of giving.

[@barbarat8510]

Excellent job on this topic!

[@f5743]

1. The tithe in the Old Testament and in Jesus' day was a tax collected by the priests. It was NOT voluntary. The Law made provision for voluntary gifts beyond the tithe tax. Malachi tells the people of his day that neglecting to tithe is to "rob God." 2. There were multiple tithes. OT tithing was about 30% of one's income when multi-year tithes are factored in. 3. Tithing teachers today claim that tithe is 10%, voluntary, and never condemn non-tithers with a curse if it is not paid. 4. Most importantly, after Pentecost, while the rest of the NT discusses giving at length, NOWHERE is the tithe mentioned. The only reference to tithing after Pentecost is in Hebrews, and it's about Abraham tithing to Melchizedek. It is NEVER taught in Acts or the Epistles as a Christian duty. 5. Tithing has always degenerated into legalism. Do I tithe on gross or net income? Where is the tithe to be paid? Does my time count as a tithe? Do I tithe before or after taxes? How should that OT 30% tithe be distributed? If we are freed from the burden of kosher laws, Sabbath, and circumcision, it's hard to imagine that the tithe (the source of more legalism than the previous three) would still be binding. 6. Judge righteously: A multi-millionaire gives 10% to his church. A blind, disabled veteran living in a trailer on $700 a month gives $50 a month to his church. Who is the sacrificial giver? Who would Jesus laud? Who would Jesus criticize?

[@redghost3170]

Problem is, when someone is taught that tithing is not required, thus gives them a license to not give at all, or giving little. This is especially true in westernized religion. What a cop out. The church has to have money to do the work of Christ. I will continue to tithe because it is what I feel is right.

[@michaelmerck7576]

Not true its actually the opposite

[@jennifermcclure3866]

So good. Thank you for your humble sharing of his word.

[@KM-zn3lx]

I felt like I should give 10 percent, me and my husband, we have been given so much. But a new Pastor was ranting about this as a command and it didn't sit right with me. My husband totally agrees with the pastor.

[@markb7067]

I went through the same thing. A simple question I like to ask those who present tithing as a command today is "where in the Bible were tithes received from earned wages?" They weren't. Not once. And it's evident money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times (Haggai 1:6).

[@rickardnolan3019]

I pay tithe and give everything else because I love the Lord and trust Him. Missionaries and the church use that money for the rest of the body. Did we have to spend 100 percent of our money on ourselves, drinking, getting high, and impressing women before Jesus? No, but we loved doing it. The question exposes a person’s heart. Jesus loves people and God. He said to love your neighbor as yourself. If I was a sinner I would want to have people fighting with everything they have to save me and feed me and clothe me and give me an eternal home. We’re supposed to be above the law. We don’t need the law. God’s law is a law of faith, hope and love. Why do we try to protect our money. The only answer you need is do you love and trust God? Read about the widow and Elijah. That woman was going to eat her last meal with her child and die but when Elijah asked for her to make him a little first and she did. She not only did the most amazing things but she could have gone and stolen or sold herself sexually to make money but loved God and Elijah and God blessed her. We want to see Acts but don’t want to walk like those men and women. We want heavenly gifts but we can’t be trusted to love with the little earthly gifts we have. Just love God and people. Everything we have is God’s. Right? Can we trust Him?

[@michaelmerck7576]

I love the Lord and trust Him too therefore i dont feel the need totey to bri e him with my worthless mammon

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

Great video. Tithing is a wonderful blessing but God doesn’t have some stiff rule. The principle from the law is that as followers of Jesus, we become generous. That might mean much more than a tithe; the early Christians gave away everything routinely. But we don’t live under the law any more. That being said, tithing is a blessing and it’s a great place to start being generous. And the best place to learn generosity is when it is a challenge (the story of the woman who gave two mites at the temple). But, if you don’t tithe, there is no reason to have guilt. That’s not the way Jesus works.

[@theprofitdare3704]

Very well done. I did get a little lost when you mentioned that it was okay for a church to "ask" for 10% of one's income but not "require" it. There is no scriptural precedent for that amount since the tithe was always food. I found that part a smidge contradictory but overall another great episode!

[@markb7067]

I might even go as far as to say that it's "OK" for a church to require monthly fees from their members, particularly those making regular use of the facilities. After all, most modern churches pretty much serve as a country club - cafe's, live music, sports facilities, lecture halls, etc. They just can't make the claim that the members are biblically required to do so. Religious institutions are essentially privately run organizations and they are within their legal rights to charge whatever they choose. I'd respect a church more for being forthright in charging for their "services" rather than those who convince their members that tithing money to the church today is biblically required.

[@theprofitdare3704]

@@markb7067 touche

[@theprofitdare3704]

Maybe we should start renting pews like the olden days...you might be on to something. 😁

[@bridgitmorris740]

Good content. Thanks Josh.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Thank you Bridget

[@yumyumpowakatyra9725]

This was so gooooooooood thank you!

[@TimelessWisdomDrAnita]

I'm curious your thoughts on the local church itself tithing? I'm on our church board, and it's something we seek to do by sending money to various other ministries. But would you think the ideas you explain for individuals/families also apply to the church?

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

Interesting fact of the church that I went to. They would highly preach that the tribulation is for Jacobs trouble or for Israel only. But in Malachi chapter 3 it clearly says the same thing. It was written to ISRAEL. But they would try to prove the pretrib rapture and be very firm that Daniel’s 70th week is for Israel not the Church. But again Malachi is talking to ISRAEL 🇮🇱

[@kylemanningjcic1333]

No Christian Don't Have To Tithe!!! Plus It's Impossible For Them To Do So.

[@oladimejimakinde5160]

@Benny Nunn Because the levitical priesthood is no more!

[@kylemanningjcic1333]

@Benny Nunn How Can You Give Tithes To God Today Without The Temple, Storehouse, And Levitical Priests?

[@jacksonogwindi1653]

@@kylemanningjcic1333 Question is who is the storehouse. It was the orphans, widows, levites, Church workers and the poor. People are the temple of God. Its another way of looking at it, however, it's not law but given out of love.

[@kylemanningjcic1333]

@@jacksonogwindi1653 So Are You Giving Crops And Cattle From The Land Of Israel To The Poor Out Of Love?

[@williamcook9210]

Very good expose. People need to stop just blindly accepting and believing what their pastors or tithe teachers are teaching them about the 10%. Nowhere in the old or new covenants does God command a monetary tithe from anyone. There is no such teaching in the Bible. Pastors who teach a monetary tithe of 10% of their incomes to the Church is teaching heresy and contrary to the Word of God. Israel's commanded tithe (Lev 27:30-34; Num 18:20-28) ended at the cross. The Levitical priesthood which was inseparable from tithes ended because the priesthood was imperfect, and like the Law was abolished (Heb 7:11-12). The tithe commandment for Israel (Num 18:20-21; Heb 7:5) was abolished because it was weak and unprofitable (Heb 7:18-19). And He never replaced the Old Covenant Law of Moses tithe ordinance by giving a monetary commanded tithe of 10%. It is a lie that was perpetrated on the New Covenant Church as far back as AD 777. Today it has reached scandalous levels in the churches and has caused many to walk away from Jesus Christ because they are told they are cursed and they are robbing God. Many have lost their salvation because deceitful pastors and tithe teachers have pressured their congregations under the lie of being cursed and robbing God. People need to read 2 Cor 8:12-13 and 2 Timothy 5:8 and see what God through apostle Paul is saying to the believers about giving. Not even God will force any child of His to give if they don't have anything to give. Whereas pastors will pressurize the members to give their household money under guilt. But God says differently in these 2 scriptures above. Don't be deceived by smooth talking tithe teachers. Follow God's Word and what He says. I do and God blesses.

[@vilmamunozdebadenhorst7941]

Excellent. Thank you

[@kimpaschal4263]

Thanks Josh! This was the clearest argument on this subject that I have heard this far!

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Thank you Kim.

[@moisesgomez1601]

Awesome teaching

[@qujo777]

It seems when God blesses it come as more work ;) And I receive it.

[@samoautah82]

What a great topic

[@ebangoosa]

Just last Sunday, I heard about giving first fruits. 😵‍💫

[@dgh5223]

Giving can be anything, not just money. Giving shows more about the condition of your heart. Monetary Tithing nowdays is made up lie by the church to get fear money from people to pay bills. Tithing in churches is like a membership fee or tax to the church. Monetary tithing is a set amount (10%) but giving can be anything.

[@nathanpriddis412]

The Tithe was a drinking fest... And yes...it's wine..not fermented grape juice. Deu 14:26 - And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, Edit. The reference above to money might lead someone to believe the Tithe was income. It was agriculture products only, but could be converted to money if it was a difficulty to transport it to the Tabernacle/Temple.

[@VeryBasicBible]

Good job being clear, as usual. =thumbs up=

[@nathanpriddis412]

@@VeryBasicBible The episode was challenging. How many facts can you remember off the top of your head about tithing without looking it up? The curse put on Eli's family suddenly made sense after listening and being forced to think the Tithe over. The fact Eli's sons where profiting from the Tithe is obvious. They where reselling and needed the meat fresh, not cooked. But the whole sex thing was Tithe connected as well, just not so obvious. The people are obligated to feast at the Tabernacle, lest they break the Law. Men are bringing their families to feast, who aren't necessarily sober. But the sons of Eli are preying on the wives/ women, in addition to threatening the men with violence over the meat. The families are a captive audience since the Tithe is location specific, unless the distance exclusion could be met. Eli sees Hannah and assumes she is drunk from feasting before the Lord. He condems her, but tolerates his sons behavior. It's the hypocrisy that enraged God, and results in a perpetual curse.

[@VeryBasicBible]

@@nathanpriddis412 In case over typing my comment came across wrong, I wasn't being sarcastic but completely serious. You're anyways very clear and concise and I'm super glad for that. Be encouraged 🙂

[@nathanpriddis412]

@@VeryBasicBible Didn't come as sarcastic at all. Love RR! I think what your doing is very valuable. Also, raising questions about specifics of Tithe is kinda gutsy on the part of RR, because of it's chronic abuse. Keep it up. And personally, it's good to be challenged. Thanks!

[@mitchellstarkey706]

17:27 saying that because Abraham gave 10% to the righteous king and 90% to the unrighteous doesn't affirm tithes isn't an argument against tithing and yes we only have record Abraham giving once in his life not every week (that's a better argument). Christian's who do tithe give 90% to the world and to support wicked rulers.

[@jenniferlearman1623]

Respectfully, I hear over and over from many that God’s vehicle is the local church. Where is that specifically in the NT model? I want to obey.

[@markb7067]

In the Bible, the "church" is a reference to the body of believers, the people who believe. There is no designation of a "local" church that I'm aware of in the Bible.

[@jeanhounsell4199]

No rule about tithe. The meeting in Acts is So clear about which of the 605 rules to keep. Giving to the poor has been given greater, importance. Than any other things. Peter says it all in Acts15.v 6~11. BUT of course when we have a paid clergy, we obviously must support them. And that is yo be decided by the Christians in the evolving of the church.

[@robyncollins114]

Titling is about giving back to Yeshua. It’s not about the church, people or us. When the lord puts it upon our heart to give to others, we should be obedient to the his word.

[@markb7067]

Neither God nor Jesus ever asked anyone for their money. Monetizing the tithe was man's idea and the ceremonial and civil ordinances that facilitated tithing under Mosaic Law are obsolete.

[@elvingellisii7527]

Can we put this in a book?

[@RyuujiRaptor]

If you attend to two or more church, do you give to both? Do you first establish your local church?

[@KM-zn3lx]

Good question as I sometimes go to two churches as I'm looking and I attend my husband's church sometimes.

[@edwinadriffin9952]

Good 👍 😊

[@bridgitmorris740]

Any recommendations for a good church in Metro Richmond Va?

[@BeLohse68]

FLet's talk about what the Apostle Paul says about Tithing. Actually doesn't mention it.I fingers it interesting if TheTithing system was so important Why did Paul never mention it. He certainly talks about giving but never in the context of Tithing. He does talk about setting something aside regularly for offerings. HE makes it very plain one should give according to whats in ones heart. Being led be the Spirit. He makes it plain not to give out of compulsion. The famous scripture the Most Church's use is Malachi 3 Will a Man rob God. It says bring all the Tithes into the Storehouse so there will be meat in my House. That Scripture would leave one to believe there were Tithes collected that weren't making it to the Storehouse . This Scripture refers to the Levitical Priest they were robbing God. Not the congregation. So the way its presented today and it's very effective. I mean if they can convince the Congregation if they don't pay up there Robbing God will be Cursed and the Devil will be on their Butt. So they are certainly giving by compulsion which what Apostle Paul plainy spoke against. Also most people won't give beyond that because they in their mind cover their Ass. Compared to a true Spirit filled believer that's led but he Spirt is free from economic insecurity. Will gladly give to God's Work. How many scriptures talk about giving to the Poor..And if one does so how they will be blessed. You will never hear that preached because the Church doesn't want your money going outside their Church. All in All I think a Spirit filled believer will give much more than just 10% and they will don't gladly.

[@collin501]

Although I disagree (in part), I think we might end up in the same place in practice. Jesus said not a jot or tittle would pass away from the law till all be fulfilled(Matthew 5). All of the law is fulfilled by Christ. There are three different ways he fulfills it. Some he fulfilled apart from us, some he fulfills in us, and some he fulfills through us. Notice in Romans 8:4 how we are involved in fulfilling the law, "in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." This doesn't mean that we adhere to the letter of the law from the OT, but in some way we must adhere to the spirit of it. Part of the picture is that in Acts 15, they gave only 3 requirements for the gentile believers to diligently adhere to. That may show a radical shift away from the law, and it's true, because the new covenant says that he will write his laws on our hearts. But I think that the letter of the law can come in at times to show where we're off base, where we're sinning. Paul quotes from the law and issues commandments for the believers. Such as, children should honor their parents (Ephesians 6:2). So why, on the one hand, is the new covenant so free and light in terms of commandments? And on the other hand, that we are to fulfill the law's righteous requirement and not a jot or tittle will pass away? Yes, we are not under the law, but it can still show us where we're in sin. (1 Timothy 1:8-9 says the law is meant for the sinners.) Paul says that all scripture is useful for correction. Don't we need it sometimes to know where we're falling short? I think yes. We're supposed to walk in such a way that the law is fulfilled, even if it be the spiritual application of the law, not the fleshly, such as circumcision(in our case, we have circumcision of the heart). It needs to be fulfilled, "that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us." We must walk in some way that actually fulfills it. Not by the letter, but by the Spirit. So what is the use of the letter? In Romans chapter 7, Paul says he wouldn't have known sin apart from the law. Yes, "the letter kills, and the spirit gives life." And we are to give from the heart, cheerfully, not under compulsion. But what if we are not giving generously? Could it be that we are indeed sinning? At least grant me that hypothetically. If that is the case, then the old testament tithe law could bring knowledge of sin. What if 10 percent is a kind of target or base level of generosity? If that is the case, and we saw that we were sinning, as those under grace we could turn to the grace of Christ for the freedom to give generously. Wouldn't we use the law the same way with other things, such as murder and adultery? I guess you might place the tithe into the category of judicial law and therefore, it doesn't apply in the same way that murder and adultery does. Maybe so. But I also see that Jesus included generous giving with reward in heaven. Is it merely an extra, or is it part of being bought with a price? I tend to think it's for all believers, because of the strong statements Jesus makes about money and giving in the gospels. Notice how in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man is condemned simply because he didn't give, not because he had robbed anyone. Just because something is a commandment doesn't mean we can't do it cheerfully. Or else, how would the new covenant be fulfilled, "he will write his laws on their hearts?" If we can't do those laws cheerfully, (whatever they may be), then those laws aren't written on our hearts. Is it a sin to not love our enemies? Is that optional? Or extra? And if it's a commandment, can we do it without compulsion? If it's only under compulsion, can we really say we're loving? We are calling tithe legalistic. Why? Is it because it's a specific number, 10 percent? I know it seems ritualistic to portion out 10 percent, but the thing is money is always something we portion out specifically. Whether in business, in stewardship, enjoyment, whatever the case may be. Can we do none of those things from the heart because we have to make the accounts balance? Where I think we might end up in the same place practically, is that believers have the law written in their hearts and end up giving generously anyway. And that you promote generous giving is good. But that doesn't mean at times we need the scriptures for the sake of correction. And maybe some need this correction more than others. Would you withhold it from those who need it because you are already giving generously and don't need it? What if they truly need it, to help them repent and turn to the life of generosity spoken of by Christ? I mean, the sheep and the goats parable(Matthew 25) should tell us enough to know that it's possible that heaven could be at stake. I believe that many will be the sheep who were generous while never needing the law to step in and correct them. But what about those who need it? On your example of raising up seed to your brother's widow, I think this would apply to the allotments of the promised land given to specific families from generation to generation. And also because the promise to Abraham was to his physical offspring. That through his seed the world would be blessed. The guy that failed in this task who the Lord killed, if memory serves me, failed to carry on the line that Christ came from. But as far as what the application of this law is for Christians, I'll have to think about a bit more. Applying the law is very much a case by case issue. The general rule is, how has Christ fulfilled it? Or how is he fulfilling it now? The sacrifice for sins he fulfilled apart from me 2000 years ago. That I should love my neighbor, he is fulfilling today in and through his people.

[@collin501]

Then there are more nuanced applications of the law, such as, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Paul makes applies this to the ministers of the church having a right to payment. "Is it for oxen that God is concerned? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?" (1 Corinthians 9:8‭-‬9‭, ‬12) If he calls it a rightful claim, then those who fail to give it must be in sin. Whether this is 10 percent or not, something is owed. He even combines this with a direct quote of Christ, "the laborer deserves his wages." (1 Timothy 5:18) The wages may or may not be 10 percent. But there must be sin in not giving what is due. Paul says this is due to those "who labor in teaching and in preaching," and then he puts it in the strongest language, "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." (1 Timothy 5:21) To me, the tithe (10 percent) makes the most sense. I know 2 Cor 9 says to give as one has purposed in his heart. And that implies freedom. But that was also for a specific need, not general giving. And keep in mind, there is a principle for us that we will not be judged by the law, but by how we used our freedom. "So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty." (James 2:12) Similar to forgiveness and showing mercy, if we close up our hearts, and withhold from giving generously, we may face the same thing Christ talked about regarding forgiveness. "For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:14‭-‬15) It is by freely forgiving that we continue to treasure his forgiveness and keep it. That is not a burden. That comes from the heart. Regarding giving, it's the way that we continue to walk as strangers here and place our hearts in heaven and the reward there rather than turning back toward earth. Remember, faith requires action to be(or remain) alive. Just like in Hebrews 11, speaking of those who look to heaven and run the race in pursuit of it, "If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city." (Hebrews 11:15-16) This is in conjunction with what James says about the kind of action that faith needs to live. And pay attention to the words, "can that faith save him?" Combine this with what the Hebrews chapter says about faith and trust existing in certain actions. It's almost like faith can't survive without action. In Hebrews, the passage concludes with the statement that we should throw off sin and run the race while looking to Jesus, "the author and perfector of our faith." Faith requires running(action), and in our running, Christ will perfect our faith so that we end up in heaven. Here is the quote from James. "What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?" (James 2:14‭-‬16) Faith saves, but it has to move and to do in order to survive. This is even consistent with Ephesians 2, "by grace you have been saved, not by works" which includes that a part of being saved is, by that very grace, doing "the good works God prepared for us" to do. If that is included in the gift of salvation, then how can we be said to hold onto the gift of salvation if we let go a part of it. I say that I think we need the tithe at least to show a target for what generous giving is. And we need to get serious(I need to work on this too) about really believing what Christ said about money and giving, and that he said, "why do you call me Lord, Lord, but do not do what I say?"

[@6eagleslanding]

? This isn't really a question, it's more of a comment, but if you want to comment on it, great! Under grace (New testament), the requirements increase. In the Old testament one day was God's, whereas in the New testament, Paul said we live every day unto the Lord. Under the Old testament law, 10% (or some people say 33 and a third) are Gods. Under grace, 100% is His because we're living sacrifices. So maybe we better pray about how much of the 100% that is His, can we keep for ourselves! A lot of pastors don't bother to teach the people how to hear from God. It's just easier to tell them they're under a curse if they don't give 10%.. I consider that abusive. I give as I'm led. Out of curiosity, I checked and, sure enough, it ended up to be 20%, on a regular basis, just being led by the spirit to give when He leads me to. Pastors: teach your people how to develop a sensitive ear and how to walk in the spirit, rather than reverting to dead legalism.

[@jjmonty8090]

Some of your arguments have some holes, needing pushback. What is a proper way to do so?

[@annettecrady7142]

Can you talk about the tax plus giving? Because in reality we pay taxes and then tithe. I’ve been taught that the taxes was the tithe.

[@markb7067]

Systematic, biblical tithes were taxes but were not received as money. The compulsory tithes under Mosaic Law provided food and livestock for the Levites (the governing body), the poor (every three) years, and the festival (annual celebration of feasting and drinking). 1/10th of the Levitical tithe went to the Levitical Priests who carried out the Old Covenant system of sacrifice for atonement of the Israelites. The tithes were carried out through ceremonial and civil ordinances under Mosaic Law that are now obsolete. Today we pay money for our taxes and there is no biblical mandate to tithe from earned wages. We are free to give, money or otherwise, as we are able and as lead and we have a responsibility to do so, but we are not encumbered by any biblical mandate.

[@michaelmerck7576]

Christians don't owe a money tithe

[@VeryBasicBible]

As usual, I agreed with, like, 95% of it. But who am I? I'm just some dude, lol The chat was great, had great discussions. Keep up the good work, TRR

[@TheRemnantRadio]

I want to know what that 5% is BJ!!!

[@VeryBasicBible]

@@TheRemnantRadio Well when you get it all right I'll let you know. Actually I was playing off Mike W's comment. Big time Mike is like "I agree!", silly ole B.J. is like, "Eh, 95%", hahaha

[@duncescotus2342]

Don't tithe to crappy ministers, that's for sure, but if you want to impress Jesus give your last dollar, not your first 10 out a 100.

[@caonexpeguero9984]

All of this is settled in Hebrews 7. Read it thoroughly.

[@johncampbell463]

Hebrews 7 teaches the Law tithes into grace.

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Amen 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@MrWeebable]

26:00 Cutting of of hands for stealing is not in the Bible!

[@jokebookrally]

Nice

[@matthewbroderick8756]

The Protestant theology of faith alone, which is not Biblical, negates the Necessity of tithing! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Idk how this could be a one to one coronation since most of the Protestant churches In The west preach tithe. I think this is an unsubstantiated claim.

[@matthewbroderick8756]

@@TheRemnantRadio Again, if the man made tradition of faith ALONE is ALL that is needed, then Tithing IS NOT NEEDED! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@TheRemnantRadio]

@@matthewbroderick8756 again the majority of Protestant churches in the west disagrees with you, so I think there may be an error in your logic there.

[@IamGrimalkin]

​@@TheRemnantRadio I think what he means is, he agrees with the bible does not require tithing for new testament christians, but he tithes because the Catholic church tells him to and he sees that as authoritative (apparently it's in the Council of Trent?). Obviously some protestants are going to think some things that are not in the bible because people make mistakes; but I think his point is that sola scriptura logically leads to tithing not being necessary, even if people don't always follow that logic through. At least that's my guess.

[@littleboots9800]

@@IamGrimalkin I think he means "Faith alone" theology negates the role of works (tithing being a work,) whereas Catholics believe faith saves initially but works are necessary beyond that. It's a caricature of the position of course because a protestant would believe faith saves but works are the evidence a person has been saved, if you are truly saved you will "bear fruit.". That aside, I've never met yet a Catholic who tithes or heard tithing addressed in a Catholic Church. Edit : Just checked, Catholics are under no obligation to tithe though as with most churches, (if not all,) giving cheerfully and sacrificially to Church and good causes is recommended. Also just saw this comment was very old! Sorry.

[@timclark2925]

Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law or the prophets in Matthew 5:17-20...Jesus says that those who keep His commands will be called great in heaven; while those who set aside His commands and teach others to do likewise will be called least in heaven...So yes we are to tithe.....Where in the NT does it ever say to stop tithing? I'll wait! People will say that Paul says that we should give according to our income.....but thats giving; not tithing. Tithing is the first tenth.....when we tithe were not giving God anything. Were just not stealing from Him. Its easy to see why Christians don't want to tithe...its because they love money. One could easily argue that the real god of the American Church today is money; which is idolatry; the very first Commandment. Yes we are to tithe and give offerings....Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these other things shall be added unto you.....When we are faithful with our tithes and offerings we are seeking first the Kingdom; and not the things of this world.

[@markb7067]

Where in the bible does it say that tithes can be received from earned wages? Where in the bible does either Jesus or God ask for anyone's money? Where in the bible were the tithe ordinances ever amended to accept tithe items (which were produce and livestock) from outside the Holy Land? Where in the bible did Jesus or the disciples ever pay or receive a tithe? Since systematic tithing was a compulsory ordinance, how can it be considered giving or an act of faith? I'll wait. Blessings in your giving!

[@timclark2925]

@@markb7067 You just wait....You LOVE MONEY....thats your real problem......You have money as your IDOL which is the very 1st Commandment.....thats the REAL reason why people argue against tithing.....But you are not alone. The love of money is one of the biggest problems in the Church today.....Now you are beginning to understand WHY its hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus was not talking about salvation when He said that. He was saying that its hard for saved Christians to walk in the Kingdom of God because the love of money becomes an IDOL and they stop obeying God with their money....He was talking about rich people like you...Deut 24 it says if you cant carry the goods ; sell them and bring MONEY! 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

[@timclark2925]

When we tithe were not giving God anything. Were just not stealing from Him. Giving is what you give above and beyond the tithe.....

[@markb7067]

@@timclark2925 You're funny and quite presumptuous too. It's interesting how people who define biblical systematic tithing in a responsible hermeneutic context get automatically labeled as money lovers. Your myopic reasoning is immature at best and ironic in that there never was a tithe received from earned wages. Giving, now that's another matter, and you're completely ignorant in how much I, or any others who know that biblical tithing has nothing to do with money, actually give. Your scriptural reference to Deuteronomy 14 is equally irresponsible as you neglected to mention the resolve which is verse 26 that reads "Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice." Money was only a convenience remedy for the journey to the festival. It was not received as a tithe deliverable, not New Testament, or Old. You don't eat money, do you? Your "theology" frames God as a mob boss and a slot machine. For God so loved that he gave... Choice is a primary component of love and we can choose to give or not but there's no biblical mandate for anyone to pay 10% of their money to a religious institution, no biblical reason to believe we will be blessed in any way for doing so, and no biblical reason to believe we will be cursed for not doing so. We're free to give, not bound to pay. Blessings in your giving!

[@timclark2925]

@@markb7067 Jesus Christ knows MORE THAN Mark B.....and in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus clearly says that He DID NOT come to abolish the law or the prophets! SO the burden is ON YOU to show where Jesus says to STOP TITHING! In fact Jesus even confirms tithing in Matthew 23:23 "“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." Jesus clearly says that those who keep the law and teach others accordingly will be called GREAT in the kingdom of Heaven. Those who don't will be called LEAST. If you want to be great in the Kingdom; you better tithe and not steal the tithe from God.............I know you anti- tithers love money because you ignore what Jesus CLEARLY TEACHES! I JUST SHOWED YOU!

[@jaybrown2849]

Got to the point 5 mins in

[@thejohn17project15]

Can we please stop separating God's word. We serve one God and have one Bible. The Torah is still valid according to Christ so maybe we should pay attention to it better. “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah - not until everything that must happen has happened. So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. Mattityahu (Mat) 5:17‭-‬19

[@TheRemnantRadio]

I agree with this.

[@thejohn17project15]

@@TheRemnantRadio here is a great short video from Dr Brown that adds more context to this. Also please stop using the term New Testament believers we are New Covenant believers. The phrase "new testament believers" sounds as though you are separating us from the old testament and that we can disregard it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGnEnpx3hrCZpNk

[@myrnasprenger2456]

Z. Zcz.

[@standingfirminChrist]

If the Law is not abolished, then this means that: a) God's tithe is to be agricultural crops, flocks, and herds and agricultural food byproducts; for that is the only thing that the Law demanded as tithe. b) the tithe is only required of Israelites; for that is who the Law said were required to tithe c) God's commanded tithes are only tobe observed in the land of Canaan; for that is where God said His tithe is to be observed. d) the congregaiton is not to take tithes to the House of God; for the Law forbade them to e) the congregation is to give their tithes to biological descnedants of the biblical patriarch Levi; for the Law decreed it. f) only a tithe of tithes, i.e., the tenth of the tenth of agriculture is to be taken to the House of God, not the full tenth. g) only biological descendants of the biblical patriarch Levi are to take tithes to God's House.

[@normanchilds251]

Yes, it was required before the law, during the law, and after the law.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Yes I address this in the video, have you had the chance to watch it?

[@standingfirminChrist]

While it is true that the Bible says that Abram gave tithes before the Law, it is equally true that there is no mention in the biblical text of him being required by God to do so.

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

Israel was actually asked to tithe twice, plus give the temple tax. They would pay 23% of their goods/income. The point of tithing or even giving is that is is a spiritual discipline. It helps us to prepare our hearts before God and I really recommend giving as it is always a blessing to give.

[@standingfirminChrist]

@@jaredberryman-hivelead, Pont of Correction: Israel did not give tithes of their income. Nor were they required to. They gave tithes of agricultural increase, not of income. Even in the Gospels, we see the apostles gain money but not give tithes of that money. If tithes of monetary gain (incoome) were required by God, they would have been in rebellion and also transgressing the Law of God not to give tithe of the money gained. But we see Jesus instructing them what to do with the money. Jesus would not have had anyone transgress the Law of God. But Jesus could tell them to use the money for other purposes because He knew that His Father in Heaven required that agricultural tithes be given, not monetary tithes.

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

@@standingfirminChrist that is an interesting point and one I would have to research. My understanding from reading that Torah is that income from services counted and you had to tithe on it. The thing is that Jesus would actually break the law in certain cases because he was the Messiah on mission. See Mark 2:23-28. So, I’m assuming that at times Jesus might have circumvented tithing laws, especially since he rejected the temple and the ruling class. Also, we can’t be sure the apostles didn’t tithe it, and they might have tithed it by giving to those in poverty instead of to the ruling apparatus.

[@685_SUE]

Get to the point !!!