How to Ledge Dash BETTER ft. Mew2King

Notes from M2K:
1:10 (don't literally put your controller down lol)
2:30 (pressing back, to drop from the ledge, is actually the method which Leffen/Plup/Syrox use, and this might be superior to pressing down. But, I never learned it this way).
4:40 (or press back)
4:42 (According to Hax$, the values for Y are -0.2875 to 0.6500, for pressing down to "regular fall" instead of "fastfall" from the ledge. Meaning, 28.75 - 65% of the way down. (But when you factor in deadzone takes up about 15%, my older guesstimations were pretty much accurate).
4:45 - (I meant to say "you can press it between 50-100% of the way down [which is really 65-100% if you don't include deadzone values]. But I accidentally said "15" here).
7:30 - or press back, instead of down. Might be superior method.
7:33 - 28-65% of the way down causes a regular fall (no fastfall), according to hax.
7:36 - it's a huge coincidence (or skill?) that i got pretty much the same results as Hax did, but with him factoring in deadzone values looking at game coding, and me just estimating the range based on what it felt like.
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[@TheRealMew2king]

To further elabaorate, Leffen/Syrox/Plup all use back instead of down, to drop from the ledge. Perhaps this is the superior technique. I never learned it, so I use this technique I explained in the video for down. Also, Hax$ tested exact values in the game, and it's actually 28.75-65.00% of the way down (Hax$ looked at game coding himself to find this out), but when you factor in the deadzone values added to it, it's about 15-50% if you don't factor in deadzones. So really you could press down less than 65% of the way down, and it'll still register as a regular fall instead of a fastfall, if you aren't frame perfect (frame perfect always has frame 1 be a regular fall, but it's good to have a backup plan of 1 frame leniency for consistency purposes).

[@TheRealMew2king]

Also I just updated the description with annotation notes and timestamp links

[@TheRealMew2king]

I also recommend practicing with a controller that isn't as great at ledge dashing, to perfect your technique better (if you master it on a "worse" controller, it becomes much easier to do when you get a better controller. But going from a great controller to a worse one is more difficult, because your controller carried you and your technique probably wasn't actually as universally great. You get better practice by training with a controller that isn't as naturally good at it, in my experience).

[@caselbravo]

Thanks bro! These tutorials mean a lot to newbs like me.

[@LoneWhiteWolf1314]

When M2K gets less likes on his own channel xD Pin this comment so people can see it!

[@DickTrickleqt]

lolthxm2k

[@silverwarrior461]

"Put your controller down for 7 frames."

[@Gamesforus1]

It'll still be in the air if you let go of it

[@SpaceCows2997]

M2k talkin about 7 frames like it's an eternity

[@Cunt143]

SpaceCows2997 it's important to take into account

[@fastmovingvolcanomatter]

SpaceCows2997 It is though. That's an entire Bowser jump-squat. You could find love, get married, and start a family in that amount of time.

[@NeolardoPwn]

in comparison, this video is barely 1,5 frame.

[@MilesQuickster]

SpaceCows2997 I give you the new Pannenkoek! Borp

[@MCJoans]

Miles Quickster his brother is the new him?

[@UselessBot]

Thanks, Jason. I now put my controller down for less than an 8th of a second every time I ledge dash.

[@Schoolprojectz1]

SiMpLe SoLuTiOn!

[@ThePharphis]

good job choosing the closest unit fraction

[@JH-fk8ow]

just take a sip of coffee while waiting

[@NeolardoPwn]

I'm glad he said ''not literally'' because I was trying to drop and pick up my controller in 1/10th of a second.

[@InfernoOmni]

this was really helpful

[@ItsChapa_]

I found a wild omni in the wild

[@enething4877]

Yo omni

[@zogbogbean2464]

Typical check mark saying the most boring short message. We get it, you have a check mark.

[@Jake-gx6os]

@@zogbogbean2464 bro what's your problem. He is just saying its helpful since he plays melee and it helped him

[@infinity-kg9xn]

woah hi

[@maxmustermann5590]

Go get a cup of tea in those 7 frames

[@MinecrafterK3N]

Max Mustermann Open up TurboTax during those 7 frames

[@dacmister]

Literally improved my ledge dashes from like 10% to 75%... Like wtf... Actually, Thank you, M2K

[@TastyCarcass]

worth noting that if you're pressing the analog in a direction at all during those 7 frames, the analog is ignored forever until you return it to neutral. This is why tournament winners happen. Make sure your thumb is not on the analog stick during those 7 frames.

[@blush420]

i would push m2k's stick down 40% of the way after 7 frames Kreygasm

[@BroArmyCommander]

Spank me daddy PPMDKreygasm

[@UselessBot]

Kreygasm

[@FoUr-ko1rs]

Great vid m2k. This will for sure help out many players

[@hectorespinoza8632]

"Pretty much put your controller down for seven frames..." I love M2K, this is why he's my favorite smasher!

[@sampletext7925]

Thanks Jason, you're looking hella cute today

[@MiguelMartinez-xb5bv]

Is this what it means to like someone so much you'd watch a 12 minute video about ledge dashing in a game you don't even play? :O

[@kkahakusan5591]

thank you for the simple things that could potentially unlock the next step to good-players-on-rise .. I wish someone told me this when I started. much love!

[@SufferDYT]

I find it easier to use the particle effect from grabbing the ledge as a point of reference for when you actually grabbed the ledge and when you are able to let go.

[@kimoconk3952]

Just by watching this video, my ledgedashes have improved 15% to 50%, that's not an exact number, I'm just ballparkin it on my head. Thanks Jason

[@duncanschulte3011]

Thanks so much M2K! I thought I was unable to do this until I saw your video!

[@woleigequ]

this is great m2k, please make more videos, especially analysis videos!

[@whatarewaves]

thanks so much m2k it's great to see very prominent figures in the community still making little tutorial videos like this just like back in the day

[@shmooptifloop8118]

Thanks M2K this was super helpful!

[@thoatran6638]

M2K is literally a teacher, should be payed to do this!

[@ssbmKhalid]

Mew2King is much better at explaining things than I thought he would be. Very good content and I look forward to more! :)

[@Nerex7]

You are an excellent teacher imo

[@zabimaru1000]

Glad to see M2K stepping up the KZbin/tutorial game

[@emmbaz47]

Instead of 7 frames, Link only has 3 frames to wait before an input.

[@R1zzo]

Thanks Jason! Little things like Fox's feet are such small details that I never noticed. Things like this are why I'm glad you share your opinion. KOTU the goat ❤

[@Thomas-nm1ft]

7 frame thing actually explains allot, ty Jason.

[@koloblican11763]

Thanks bud, great vid. Helped me figure out what I was doing wrong this whole time.

[@BigBassSmallBoike]

Thanks jason. I used to do tournament winners like 20 percent of the time. Now I can almost do it frame perfect every time

[@frybryguy4575]

this man the most goated pauser of all time

[@shreyd4198]

Wow that’s actually so crazy. I was practicing ledgedashes on uncle punch but for some reason I was really only able to get perfect 1 frame of cliffwait when i did the ledgehop planking m2k mentioned and then ledgedash. I got the perfect cliffwait more consistently than normally ledgedashing as soon as it loads or fire bird ledgestalling->ledgedashing. He said the ledgehop stall lets you get off the ledge a frame quicker and it’s actually clearly impactful.

[@joshroman8844]

thank u. from this day forward i will now wait exactly 7 frames every time i grab the ledge

[@inatreefort]

This is a fantastic video. Thanks Mew2King!

[@demitriolivas1286]

This was very useful M2k thank you

[@KalebSDay]

Thanks Jason! I didn't know that tid bit information. Now I will be able to help others too, instead of just helping by trial and error:D

[@NoshuHyena]

M2K is a great teacher, actually.

[@Boyzby]

This is incredibly helpful, because I didn't know about the 7 frame thing before. Also, M2K should be bigger, with his video being about to the edge of the 4:3 box like the hand-cam, since Fox wasn't going to get past that anyways, and hand-cam should always be on. Just what I think. Great video, otherwise. ^_^

[@Cunt143]

A good way to describe the control stick input down when dropping ledge is to get on the stage and try to do a down tilt with any character without crouching. If you managed to do it you can do the same control stick input when you want to drop ledge w/o fast fall

[@Athesies]

pls use 20xx and the frame by frame advance feature next time you make a video like this m2k

[@BroArmyCommander]

Athesies He likes it old school

[@jasonlobo2350]

Athesies he even have frame perfect pauses this is perfect the way it is

[@Athesies]

Jason Lobo no human is frame perfect enough to refuse the hack pack master race! m2k isnt even in this video

[@TheZakata12]

He didn't have it when he learned these things.

[@trahh7662]

m2k's method is like doing math off your own skill, as opposed to using a calculator

[@Sueshe]

I like m2k so much more after watching some compilations of him.

[@Ryan-ju3fl]

king of frame perfect pauses

[@R1gBoN3Gaming]

M2K talking about 7 frames like it's the norm. How fast do M2K's mind comprehend time?

[@figurativefluff]

R1gBoN3Gaming Its already common knowledge that m2k perceives time in frames. Get with the times smh

[@somekindofnice3871]

R1gBoN3Gaming 7 frames is very noticeable, it may not sound like it but go mess around on the ledge with this in mind and you will definitely feel it

[@keiyousu7454]

Some Kind of Nice M2K's been on the ledge for a majority of his career. Somehow, it's not surprising that he knows about that 7 frame window.

[@techno--]

Apparently M2K is an English 18th century vampire with an evil spirit with high precision and reaction? That explains a lot.

[@shhs1227]

@@somekindofnice3871 3 years late but even 2 frames is noticeable. the difference between 3 frame jumpsquat characters and 5 frame jumpsquat characters for wavedashing is very noticeable

[@peterparker-jp5cv]

the KIINGG!! THANKS King!!! great vid/s!!

[@HybridizedGaming]

If only M2K had this stream/video tech in his come up days.

[@handicapitation3250]

1:07 lolm2k

[@Aczxser]

M2K - Fountain of Knowledge

[@TreebeardXIV]

Dope tutorial Yayson.

[@MrTacticalinuit]

Why would you guys want this vid shorter? We got 12 minutes of yason talking about 7 frames, control stick %s and SDs. This is high quality entertainment and education.

[@tiztoc977]

Theres an angle that exists where you actually bring the stick diagonally down and towards the stage and you do a slow drop. imo this is the most optimal because you can hold one angle for both the drop and the wavedash on stage

[@dylawn55]

Great stuff!! Sorry my internet sucks lol. Thanks again!

[@jme9556]

Teach2King

[@zurypuebla8879]

The king of rowlets

[@CapFlipGaming]

Thanks for this!

[@TheZakata12]

Knowledge from the robot

[@lewispeacock2170]

one thing I like to use in 20xx is cliffcatch and cliffwait as display overlay colors. You can't act during cliffcatch so if that's say red and cliffwait is white all you want to see while practicing is red.

[@onarcool9396]

This is honestly so cool, my friends make fun of me for being a “nerd” for knowing stuff about smash. Like exact frame data. But this is awesome. I just wanna know everything

[@rocketchris853]

Thanks m2k!

[@TishGames]

great tutorial for the low level competitive players trying to climb to that mid level

[@wowza935]

*reads description* "don't actually put ur controller down". i thought u were a god,M2K?

[@rektyrektingson4668]

Thanks for the video my dude.

[@Maxaka2]

I'm really happy this video was 12 minutes long, it could have been 3 or 4.

[@royshantzis3321]

god i love m2k

[@laylaeatstrees8689]

(Armada voice) Dammit, Jason

[@Danhec95]

WOW AMAZING VIDEO

[@Medachod]

I still like jumping off the ledge like that. It would be silly if that wasn't in there. It's a cool animation to look at and gives the game personality.

[@milk4you1200]

Thanks Mew2King

[@MiniVoltar]

Mew2King is my favourite Melee Player.

[@PubFX]

m2k da man

[@nourhassan3297]

Me: Hey mate I’m about to hit a ledgedash. Opponent: oh cool, what’re you gonna do in the 7 frame startup? Me: don’t know actually, maybe eat a sandwich, drink some milk.

[@russianbot2179]

After watching this video, I am now a top smash melee player

[@pulse3543]

The new meme so a lot of people have been struggling

[@Alienrun]

The melee scene doesn't force memes as much as the Smash 4 scene...

[@Dankyjrthethird]

ledge camping tutorial for mmarth coming soon?

[@Neovoid303]

My favorite smash bros player ^_^

[@lawrencegunnell1308]

Yo M2K, Leffen said that there's no good reason to use Down... but I like down because it's the same on both sides... overall... if you press down and roll the stick inward before you press jump you're guaranteed to get either your ledgedash or a regular ledge getup which isn't so bad compared to jumping.

[@natewatson6962]

I know he's being serious but I want to laugh so bad. He's hilarious without trying

[@Random1567]

Thanks M2K. I wanna learn this game but I don't know where to look up information look this.

[@manantialeterno7598]

Jon Lewis its not that, that channal isnt good, its just that m2k has won more tourneys then my dad has told me he loves me. So his advice holds more wight

[@Cunt143]

Random1567 ask people while playing them, they know most important things. When not playing look up random tutorial videos, especially ssbm tuts

[@BroArmyCommander]

Juan Esquivel That channel is pretty good. Why don't you think so?

[@danielholmqvist8747]

You2beKing PogChamp

[@internetname6210]

As soon as I finished this video my phone rang from an unknown number, I picked it up and heard a voice whisper.. “7 frames”

[@YURTZYN42]

I usually let go of ledge by going backwards then i air dodgerewlly fast like 99% forth to get as little SDs possible because i really hate losing a stock like this.

[@germyavocado4683]

but does it cover roll to the right...?

[@iamgams]

Coach2king

[@APhishyFish]

Thank youuuu

[@Sasoripwns]

Its good to know that m2k ALSO jumps with X.

[@invertedcrayon]

I've been fast falling for a ledge dash my whole life. Holy fuck, no wonder I've SD'd so many times

[@jukujolj881]

All i can think about now is about those 7 frames

[@ChristopherMowrey]

preach!

[@unknownent.7845]

Wonder if leffen is watching lmao

[@confucheese]

He's probably making his own video as we speak

[@Marcusjnmc]

that would actually be cool

[@kai3457]

I press down on the c-stick to let go of edge is that bad?

[@polotheman88]

great vid, now teach us about marth's grab range.

[@Motofreakz]

it's big

[@andusgarza497]

I'm ssbm, the first 7 frames is basically an eternity

[@mae_lia]

9:50 Alright bro I'm boutta head out

[@mteb]

In-depth tournament guides w/ Mew2King? :0

[@carsonhenley2045]

Why is a ledge jump called a tournament winner?

[@TreebeardXIV]

Because you are extremely vulnerable during it, so more then likely your opponent is going to take the stock.

[@NXPenguinFlutist]

Because if you do it in grand finals with everyone watching then you're probably going to win the tournament..for your opponent. AKA it's often suicide against top players

[@joshmountain9705]

because it makes your opponent win the tournament :P less sarcastically, it is very easily punished and will result in you losing a stock.

[@-HOTDOGS-]

watch the last stock of Evo 2016

[@DoomJoy666]

Carson Henley because it's the easiest thing to punish meaning you'll lose when doing it. It's a sarcastic name

[@djspencerduh]

Thank God I'm frame perfect

[@michaelortiz5219]

Bro I didn't even think of the proper way to ledge dash. I've been doing it with the analog stick alone this whole time. No x button

[@xDthat1kidxD]

I'm having trouble picking back up my controller fast enough to down press on frame 8

[@user-gi3ro9rm9k]

I too enjoy putting down my controller for less than a tenth of a second and picking it back up.

[@Master45503]

Grab ledge, put your control down for a tenth of a second, pick it back up, by this point you've done it too slow and lost your invincibility, do a Mang0dash.👌

[@jwil5328]

Gamechanging advice.