Mew2King's FINAL Melee Tier List: Bottom, Low & Mid Tier

[@MVGLeague]

Time Stamps for Quick Reference: SPOILERS AHEAD!! Click below for the full list through mid tier! F (Bottom Three) ► Bowser 0:29 ► Kirby 1:56 ► Zelda 2:50 E (Bottom Tier) ► Roy 4:02 ► Ness 5:44 D (Low Tier) ► Mr. Game & Watch 7:01 ► Mewtwo 8:40 ► Pichu 10:38 ► Young Link 12:26 ► Link 13:14 ► Donkey Kong 13:52 ► Ganondorf 14:50 ► Mario 16:07 C (Mid Tier) ► Doctor Mario 17:15 ► Luigi 19:32 ► Samus 21:59

[@arvc-5224]

Y link is such a good secondary

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

Never saw Pichu this high...wow

[@TheRealMew2king]

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[@PiplupTheMaster]

@@TheRealMew2king of course

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@TheRealMew2king would Link having the straight hookshot and hookshot range from Smash 64 put him higher? I always hated how the hookshot doesn't go straight in melee abd just flops to the ground. I have a great grab game with Link in 64 because of being able to chain with that trusty hookshot

[@dazeen9591]

It's still too early to make a tier list for Melee.

[@beatlejinx4714]

I know right people jump to conclusions and hype way to quickly

[@Tastefuljoy]

Its like bro. S L O W D O W N. We have another life time C H I L L.

[@elgrumpygamer]

ッDazeen LMFAO

[@basedmek]

@@Tastefuljoy 😂😂😂

[@peachy69420]

pichu and mewtwo both considered low tier yet have you seen the combo

[@ontos3444]

Guys he’s not quitting melee when he means “final” he means it’s not going to change at all anytime soon

[@TheRealMew2king]

Yea exactly

[@Boyzby]

I seriously can't even understand how to interpret it any other way, because it doesn't make any sense. People are dumb.

[@shady8045]

@@TheRealMew2king oh great

[@shady8045]

@@Boyzby calm down man worst case scenario he just misspoke

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@shady8045 but people are still stupud

[@bluelink142]

"Do not judge how you fight level 9's based on a human. Because that is... uh... *Smash Documentary flashbacks* ... a very very bad idea"

[@KTSpeedruns]

M2K is probably the most qualified to do a tier list with how encyclopedic his knowledge and how highly skilled he has been since the early days. Not to mention his skill with such a wide variety of the cast, not just a main with a secondary or two. Excited to hear more of your opinions M2K!

[@calebperez7549]

Ehh, I think he bases his opinions too much on how well the players of those characters do against him. I remember back when chudat was beating him, m2k was saying ics were top 5

[@rinkusan978]

@@williamwoods778 he knows a lot more stuff than the average top player though.

[@saejeongwish2918]

He does. His entire draw as a player, and the thing that made him a top player was his encyclopedia-like game knowledge. He never had the craziest reaction times, or the natural skill, but he knew EVERYTHING. I think he’s definitely more qualified to speak on tierlists than players like Mango or Leffen.

[@TheRealMew2king]

I think so too Reiden

[@TheRealMew2king]

@@calebperez7549 ICs could still be as high as 5th with wobbling legal.

[@monosurgeedar]

If there's any man I'd trust to make an accurate Melee Tier list, it's my boy M2K

[@dsecond96]

MonoSurgeEDAR Sad

[@jazzwoe3985]

Jason has spoken.

[@rollman3044]

God*

[@nonachyourbusiness1164]

@@rollman3044 *King

[@yoshisgr8]

@@nonachyourbusiness1164 *Mewtwo

[@hanoiiuchiha3952]

Sheldon*

[@MilesAway]

@@yoshisgr8 *Mew2

[@thegamingguy1]

"OMG ARE YOU QUITTING MELEE" He's not gonna have to make another tier list unless someone finds something new that's game breaking, that's why it's the final tier list.

[@nehanudawatte5173]

Yeah, by "final" he means "finalised"

[@Meechell]

Yes he was

[@thegamingguy1]

@@Meechell hindsight is 20/20

[@TheRealMew2king]

Hi guys, PLEASE don't forget to Like/Subscribe and hit the bell (the bell icon right next to the word Subscribe) for more future videos/content! If you have a spare moment, please do the same for kzbin.info Let me know what you guys thought of my Melee Tier List! This is part 1, and part 2 will be released shortly. Also, what other content do you guys want?

[@leaffinite2001]

I remember people laughing at me for saying bowser was worse than Kirby 3 years ago, but now the public opinion has changed. Nice

[@gwiz6955]

Who's laughing now? Yes.. I was in the chess club.

[@rafaelruiz-clavijocuevas2198]

@Awakened Virtue Kirby's Up Air and Bair are good moves to kill actually and Bowser has the potential to kill but his moves are way too slow and has minimal range, it's almost imposible to land them, also Kirby is far less combo food and has a better recovery (still bad but better than Bowser)

[@krystof5271]

@Awakened Virtue Kirby at least has moves with potential to hit people

[@allofthelightsbykanyewest]

the editing in this video is amazing

[@caioleite5579]

The year now is 20DongsDongs Seriously, I think DK nowadays should be placed at least above Doc and Luigi

[@memedumpster3684]

♪ Track: 22 - Sirius II ♪ ♪ Artist: Akifumi Tada ♪ ♪ Album: Baku Bomberman OST (Bomberman 64) ♪

[@TheRealMew2king]

IT'S GOD

[@memedumpster3684]

@@TheRealMew2king Our childhoods were blessed by excellent soundtracks lol

[@michaelmccloskey8718]

I appreciate your knowledge on frame data and how you can do quick comparisons. That you back up your placements so rigorously is helpful to learn matchups. Thank you M2K

[@OOstinham]

Dope. Love how in-depth this is even for the bottom tiers. They are often overlooked in terms of 'why' they're so bad in most tier lists and aren't listed in many

[@Blank100k]

when you dont play or watch melee but are here anyway

[@luke1118]

Blank - yep

[@drunky1993]

haha yess

[@TheHaremReviewer]

Surprised you didn't put Cloud in low tier

[@TheRealMew2king]

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[@happycamperds9917]

.

[@amaikoori]

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[@dekudude8888]

Uhhh actually cloud wasn't in melee you dummy. He was added in brawl

[@kisameh420]

DekuDude888 No, that was megaman you idiot

[@AnabolicRick915]

Mew2King has such a deep understanding of Melee that this is the only tier list I won't disagree with. Good stuff

[@dsecond96]

Erick Ortiz sad

[@pizzapizza6322]

Ganon really is the true noob killer character. Literally high tier against unranked players. Also, a very good character on Yoshi's Story!

[@Doctor_Dario]

4:15 A S K I L L E D R O Y

[@csjkaohwjao6964]

Ikr? His entire shtick was toss and juggle.

[@chugsfromtriad]

C A N

[@queuedjar4578]

@@chugsfromtriad B E A T

[@samuelworthy858]

QueuedJar A N Y

[@KeybladeXMage]

WITHOUT

[@kiwikarp9509]

Congrats for being the 2nd person to finish their Melee tier list.

[@Thierce]

its not finished tho

[@kiwikarp9509]

@@Thierce it is now, but you're right, I did speak too soon.

[@terah6520]

I’ve been waiting for this tier list forever; THANK YOU. Always wanted your input

[@TheRealMew2king]

np and thx!

[@bkebradley]

This editing is fantastic

[@SharonisCarin321]

Thanks M2K! Im more a PM player but ur brought back memories of the gamecube

[@sycoraz]

Just gotta let em know you play pm? Lol

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@sycoraz yeah. I like pm as fanservice in mods is incredible. Its pm ultimate and 64 i go back too.

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@sycoraz also love easier competitive scene.

[@sycoraz]

@@SharonisCarin321 I go back to 64 and melee, people have their preferences Have not wanted to play ultimate since banjo release But I don't go on a specific video on one of them and say I play melee also, gj fr liking pm tho it's p good too I just haven't got a Wii or set it up in dolphin yet

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@sycoraz oh i meant i prefer pms easier to learn style. Melee was my childhood but i cant master tech as easily as pm. Saying i like melee but pm makes these tech easier

[@weirdboo]

I’ll take your tier list over any other since you literally found most of the frame data people abuse nowadays

[@Frilleon]

Whoever chose the bomberman music is a man of godlike tastes

[@TheRealMew2king]

Thx lol

[@tailsman2000]

song name?

[@torqjustyn563]

I want more melee content from m2k. Very few people make content on this game(at least in comparison to ultimate) but it is awesome when I see people just simply talk about the game.

[@Cristeve]

M2K is the only professional player that actually cares and loves to play as low tiers, it's so satisfying to see him humiliating top tiers with Zelda and Bowser He doesn't really care about tier lists and nobody should

[@cross25011990]

Great Video. Glad to see u still practise

[@yourstillwithme]

This tier list is actually very solid and i like your reasoning and how youre actually talking facts, frame data, and results. I agree with most of this list and think it makes sense. Id like to add that Roy is also super good on Yoshis Story as well though and just in general Roy is pretty good vs spacies. He loses the mu of course still yes but its less uphill for him then it is for other low tiers.

[@Neva9999]

Great video. M2k doesn't get nearly as much respect or recognition as he deserves. God of melee!

[@brandonbrisson4455]

"Wizzrobe level reaction time"😅

[@krystof5271]

Why is that funny he has insane reaction time

[@Daniel-im2pw]

@@krystof5271 you just explained why he laughed

[@krystof5271]

@@Daniel-im2pw but why is that funny

[@Daniel-im2pw]

@@krystof5271 im not saying it is and I don't why it's supposed to be funny

[@danielbalderramos3890]

It was the sweating laughing emoji that threw him off. It was a hard read

[@KhunShawn]

Will you ever label the characters easiest to hardest when it comes to mastering them for pro play

[@WoFDarkNewton]

14:50 Fun fact: for what it's worth, Ganondorf is *by far* the strongest Level 9 CPU in Melee. The next closest, Luigi and Link, are not even in the same ballpark -- I created a separate SS tier just for Ganon. He has a favorable matchup against every other CPU.

[@colinmurphy2214]

What makes you say that? And are you talking about Vanilla or 20xx?

[@engranger_ssbu]

its crazy to me that amsa has almost singlehandedly carried yoshi out of low and mid tier according to the list so far. I don't disagree with you, but im just saying that's crazy. I do think ness could be moved into low tier, and gannon and mario could be in their own tier, because while mario is almost for sure better than gannon, i think they are both obviously better than the low tiers but worse than doc and the mid tiers in general. Honestly, my only actual placement change would be g&w and mew2 due to the floatie mus, but honestly that may be nit picky and subjective as you mentioned. Gr8 vid, and I love u m2k!

[@songohan0]

I’m still playing with Kirbs, cool video man can’t wait to see the second part

[@timwinterhalter5233]

hit up the Kirby discord if you haven't

[@Raminator243]

How good would Roy be if he actually had sourspot hitboxes that worked?

[@ChrisPBacon-zf5gm]

Ram Singh still worse than marth

[@emiliano6585]

If he could deal with cc even with bad sourspot hitboxes (cuz his sword has less range), id say he would be high tier maybe around falcon level

[@mentalrectangle]

Pretty bad still just from his frame data. He would have actual tools though in some matchups instead of just losing by force, so idk. Low tier instead of bottom tier. Maybe low-mid?

[@seraphim3599]

Increase his overall mobility, big reason why he's such a threat in Ultimate.

[@iainstirling7260]

@@seraphim3599 the reason why he is low Tier isn't because of low mobility, but because he can't really deal with crouch cancelling and platform camping

[@adamquenano8563]

Please comeback to Melee competitively after you get sponsored and when your book Is done, we miss you

[@Athesies]

He kinda already was back. He was going to enter melee singles at ceo dreamland and im pretty sure he was going to subgoal going to a bunch of different melee tournaments. Then covid 19 ruined everything

[@adamquenano8563]

Athesies Kinda is ok full time is better to this day his sets are hype. Even Mang0 said M2k should comeback and wants to play him.

[@Athesies]

@@adamquenano8563 huh im suprised mango would say that, i thought a while ago he said he hated playing m2k. Yeah id like m2k to come back full time too as long as it dosent burn him out or bust his hands

[@adamquenano8563]

Athesies He said, “I want to absolutely destroy Jason because everyone’s on the Jason train”, these days Mang0 rarely looks forward to specifically play someone he likes these days anyone these days and after the world tour announcement he said Mew2king should stop fucking around and play seriously .Mang0 doesn’t hate M2k,he was even shocked when he heard M2k is indifferent towards considering him friends when Mang0 thought they were always homies.

[@shady8045]

he isn't quitting you just misinterpreted what he said

[@jettlaxholly]

I feel like mewtwo king could have cured cancer if he spent as much time doing that as he did on melee

[@RiskyBiscuit]

I think it's important to recognize Ganon's surprising mobility and how much he benefits from a technical style of play. Yes it can be said that ANY character can benefit highly from more hours invested to reach a certain level of tech skill, but given Ganon's strengths I feel as though its safe to say that things like shield drops and edge cancels really help him more than others. Ganon's traction is highly underrated and although wavelands are highly overrated, it allows for bursts of movement that a lot of characters have a harder time accessing. This, most importantly when combined with his size, also translates to the most consistent slide off DI (edge cancel hitstun) out of any character in the game, bar none. So far I've given you three examples that attack all of Ganon's weaknesses to modernize him for the current meta, but I think the most important and unrecognized of them all is his multitude of ledge options. Of course, at the highest levels of play, actually grabbing ledge is going to be significantly more rare but when he does get he it has invincible NIL jab and grab from ledge, fantastic upair from ledge (better than falcon's), hax dash, infinite ledge stall, waveland cstick buffer roll to center (kinda gimmicky but hard to punish without commitment), NIL runoff bair, the list really does go on... Combine this with his great edge guarding tools (uair, tipman, bair, dair, fair for greedy side-b's) and you really have a character that can make the most out of any edge guard situation. I also have the theory that Ganon is arguably better than Falcon recovery wise and has better options while on a platform... but that's a lengthy topic worth giving more thought. Of course at the end of the day it's easy to point and declare "but this isn't being utilized" when he has glaring issues such as a exploitable recovery, slow movement without fantastic techskill, many useless moves, very poor jumpsquat/landing lag frames, and a giant body. However I do believe in this era of Melee the tools as I described are there to solidify Ganon as a midtier somewhere near enough to Doc.

[@DuyuCoyote]

old Gdorf main here, (shin ganon), towards the end of my time playing I was learning to tilt my thunderpunch jabs on ganondorf. Why? Because forward air to thunderpunch doesn't pressure perfectly every time, especially when the skill arena is tournament level. Being able to activate thunder punch slightly faster was my answer for a mix-up/gimic. Ganondorf had a lot going for him against the lower tier characters; Ganon is both strong and in the right hands very fast. But he does need some project M advances.

[@judgefish4044]

Love all the videos of M2k disrespecting people with low tiers.

[@federicodiaz5187]

I actually agree with everything in this list, except for samus' placing. I think she's under rated.

[@jakezepeda1267]

I think the only thing holding her back is that not enough people play her and a lot of her unique tech is very frame tight.

[@emceehawaii7542]

Pichi being higher than Mewtwo Roy and ness is something I will never agree with

[@mugulous]

>Bottom Tier >Low Tier >M a r i o >Mid Tier >High Tier >Top Tier

[@The4everreival]

I can't say I'm surprised at some of the ranking The only real shock is Samus and Dr.Mario being mid tier with Luigi as well Yoshi went unmentioned.

[@Raminator243]

Amsa has proved the power of Yoshi and is singlehandedly proved that the character is better than mid tier (not any higher though).

[@The4everreival]

@@Raminator243 I actually main Yoshi so I did know about this, it just came off as a surprise that he was ranked above Doc and Samus

[@johnathonfilamonte6625]

But melee is forever

[@TheRealMew2king]

obviously

[@Matanumi]

until a pandemic sweeps a nation by nation... the real 20XX is here folks...

[@gooseyj9390]

It is

[@Athesies]

Zelda sucks but heres some more good attributes that werent mentioned here or anywhere really. She has a true chaingrab on spacies from 0 to around 50, (has a smaller and weirder one on falcon) and can finish off the chaingrab with an upthrow- lightning kick (which in general works for a decent amount of mud percents). While her grabs are frame 12, the animations last as long as sheiks giving her less or the same amount of end lag depending on how you view it, which isnt too much. Her grab range is decent and she has a hitbox in her body and head, even with standing grab. If you up b into the ground from high up she has reduced landing lag and can work as a gimmiky laning option, like an altered sheik faceroll recovery and maybe a good anti juggle option. Her dash attack is frame 6, its strong hit is huge and if they di it wrong it can combo to grab at lower percents or lightning kick for higher ones, the strong hit also knocks down fox at 0 and the weak knocks fox down at 20, which is around the percent sheiks strong dash attack knocks over. Also this is pretty useless but atleast on fox, dtilt can combo to dsmash from 60-70 if they dont cc it so thats neat

[@Athesies]

@@nohhp3955 sure

[@GavN2319]

I realized that I’m watching a tier list for a game I’ve never played in my life.

[@modest1989]

You are not alone

[@Buttington_Headerson]

I haven't played it for 20 years it's ok

[@BeegMonkee]

See you guys in a year when the next tier list comes out.

[@kimgkomg]

We've known for awhile that Luigi is the best character. It's about time someone stepped up and said it. Good tier list.

[@ryanlucht6625]

ness recovery is not as bad as people say imo. regarding pkthunder, a lot of ness players will go low and close to the stage and use the up b, but if you go high and away its a lot harder to gimp him. he can either go high and drift or sweetspot the ledge and, if the pkthunder is outside the camera range while hes recovering its really hard to react to. he can also whip his pkthunder around the other way and use the tail to protect him as a mixup. Otherwise if he has his dj its usually not super hard to get back to the stage, and his weight is 90, which is tied with peach, sheik, and doc. marth in particular pretty much negates all of this entirely but all things considered i think his recovery is, ok. definitely extremely underdeveloped/misunderstood one way or another

[@SimnaibnSind]

Not so. Ness' recovery is very slow. It also has absurd landing lag. The doublejump is great yes, but needing the doublejump to have a decent recovery makes that recovery super predictable even when its decent. Then there is the fact that he has DjC....great for offense, but it also means that when he is recovering he has to sacrifice distance if he wants to protect his recovery with an attack. If Ness is knocked off stage outside of airdodge/ledge distance without his doublejump(or if he loses his doublejump off stage) then the edgeguard against him is pretty much a flowchart that any character in the game can follow to kill him. Regarding his weight....I dont know where you got your numbers, but Ness doesnt share weight with anyone. He does have a good weight though for his size. Slightly lighter than Doc. Heavier than Peach, Sheik or Marth.

[@ryanlucht6625]

Simna ibn Sind if you sweet spot ledge or recover high you don’t get landing lag. Also thank you for correcting the weight he’s actually heavier than I thought. Good job reinforcing my wrong beliefs about the game simna

[@SimnaibnSind]

@@ryanlucht6625 Yeah you can recover high or to the ledge, but recovering high leaves the opponent that much extra time to punish you as you fall. This means that even if you aren't fast enough to get to Ness while he is offstage you only need to take the edge and Ness is gonna be sad.

[@jokkergar]

It's really interesting to see your side characters the way you exploit them, I think I'll do a m2k pools compilation in the future

[@Eichro]

Until someone pulls an aMSa and starts mopping the floor with Ness, subverting all Melee tier lists forever.

[@Sylvergunner]

Out of all the low tiers I'd say DK or Link would probably be more likely to get amsa'd up the tier list than Ness

[@Buttington_Headerson]

DK all the way

[@johnthomas6073]

lmao roy 4th worst meanwhile his homeboy marth is 4th best. feelsbad.

[@Tonjit41]

It's the opposite in ultimate lol

[@GayWario]

I think he discounted gnw nair a bit bc of the slow startup, it gives you kill confirms and edgeguard setups on pretty much everyone.

[@saintjiub8846]

The Bomberman music hit different

[@gregjenko2938]

big facts

[@javianmonserrate8930]

For real

[@jerry3115]

didnt think i would have to wait this long for pichu

[@kimgkomg]

Ganon is the elementary school bully

[@MogekoMagica]

It was nice seeing the 79 Melee competitors to SSBU's 3,000 entrants at EVO.

[@Jamie-MrJam]

I'm a Pichu main in Melee and in tournaments and I agree that Fox is harder to fight than most other characters when playing as Pichu. I didn't know it was a terrible match up for Pichu, I just assumed I was bad at fighting Melee Fox(Which I am, but I've had some success fighting Fox with DK).

[@jaysefgames1155]

Roy is accurately represented in this game.

[@Swiggle45]

at 13:23 why does it show Kirby stocks instead of Link? wtf

[@milessiegfield5323]

13:30 Totally unrelated but why are Link's stock icons of white Kirby

[@Air_OK]

Gotta shout out the bomberman 64 music

[@rainmaker5910]

imagine a port of melee to switch... with online. and if they made a melee remastered they could have the og cast, with a FEW newcomers and two DLC packs with consistent balances, but with the OG techs (not l-canceling) and the ability to switch between the remastered graphics and OG.

[@nocturnaloop]

Not showing gameplay from Columbus’s PREMIERE Zelda main Drephen?

[@the_bookworm8281]

I like how most of the clips involving low tiers is top/high level players bodying low level players from the early 2010s. For me I would put Pichu in at most in the Ness/Roy tier, Ganondorf one tier higher (below Doc), and Young Link higher than Link.

[@el_maoo]

thanks for the knowledge drop

[@andrewkerr7697]

I don’t pay much attention to Melee, but I forgot half these characters existed in it

[@mordykinz4228]

I've seen DK in Melee so few times.

[@maxbritt217]

I love how this video is made 19 years after the game is released. As a Mortal Kombat player, the tier list is stagnant after 2 years.

[@chlo_z7566]

20:47 Fox and Luigi be freaks in the sheets

[@hoagieland3716]

Looks like M2K might have to update Roy on the tier list since Zain has been tearing it up

[@JDSubs]

I really liked it! However, I would place G&W higher. I see him as the "glass cannon" of the low tier list, and has many advantages you can use to your favor (Chaingrabs, zero-to-death combos on certain matchups, scary F-air and D-tilt, #9, and so on) . I understand you mentioned your low tier list is not necessarily accurate, but I would just place him higher. I main him and I've learned a lot from QERB. Cheers m2k.

[@TheRealMew2king]

yea there's a BIG gap between ness and GW, and SUPER TINY gap between GW and the next several characters, hence why they're in different tiers completely, and also why I mentioned how the order here, among all places, was the most insignificant

[@GustyforEminem]

I don't even play this game but I'm so intrigued by it it's fascinating really please let me touch your head m2king

[@mewieful]

as an ex Luigi main, yeah this is pretty accurate. If he had a better recovery I would've stuck with em.

[@kingkurtis]

When you are playing randoms, you pray that you don't get given the bottom five otherwise you have to live for a bad minigame. I feel it's hard to decide between ness and roy's placement as it is easier to be consistent with roy than it is ness but when someone pushes ness he reaches higher heights.

[@chriswilks1957]

Yason has spoken.

[@Destroyah5000]

I still don't know how to feel about maining the gatekeeper to high tier after all these years. A random Charge Shot that connects just makes my day, I dunno.

[@niqo_tv]

The game just came out damn already a tier list ?

[@harrisonfast3278]

M2k has experience in melee that spans my whole life.

[@ChrisSeltzer]

I'd love to see a video where M2K proposes how to balance the game. What changes would he make to each character so that everyone would be viable?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I know a couple of gimmies. Fix G&W's shield. Reduce Bowser's jumpsquat and improve his dash grab. Buff Kirby's airspeed a bit, fix his broken throws, and make up special less horrible. Honestly, just replace Mewtwo with PAL Mewtwo.

[@TubemastaC]

As a Pichu main in Melee, it’s nice to see him not being underrated based on hurting himself. Has some solid moves and AINT good, but def not the bottom 5. The down smash sends at such a STOOPID angle

[@WoFDarkNewton]

13:20 why does the Young Link have Kirby stocks???

[@SSBDelphiki]

Long-deserved justice for Pichu! The people must know.

[@josephlavecchia8069]

Is this Bomberman 64 music?!

[@TheRealMew2king]

:]

[@josephlavecchia8069]

@@TheRealMew2king Never knew you even liked that game. Nice choice boss. Keep up the good work.

[@minixlemonade]

Shout outs to Bomberman 64 music

[@shady8045]

ngl this im early and this is alot to process great job btw edit: feel like pichu should be lower just because of its servbot level damage but I guess you would know that better then me

[@Andymosity]

A lot of samuses are using AIs now. They're hard to do consistently but we have been grinding them hard the last couple years. I'm glad m2k mentioned it. Probably her most important tech these days. Other than superwavedash of course hehe

[@shady8045]

that's funny because that means random players who play samus are more technical then Hugz

[@germanazurin1501]

Top 10 Predictions: 10. Yoshi 9. ICs 8. Pika 7. Peach 6. Captain Falcon 5. Sheik 4. Falco 3. Marth 2. Puff 1. Fox

[@duelingumbra8949]

If you could only play a mid tier or lower who would you play?

[@dashieprodx]

didn't know a game required such insane reads that it requires studying psychology to understand with all the "human habits" stuff you mentioned. I think I'm gonna go back to Brawl where the "meta" is much simpler.

[@JacobKinsley]

Mew2king, this is the fifth final tier list this week.

[@natecallon9755]

Where are the post zain Roy comments??

[@natecallon9755]

aha I see a like at least. but seriously where are they??

[@javianmonserrate8930]

JD mendoza says about Zain roy

[@420mar5]

What he says is factual and can not be argued against, because thats just optimal.

[@YesAltNo]

I just learned so much

[@langdon27]

“Pichu has the best shield in the game” what about yoshi?

[@lreaves6643]

Yoshi can't jump out of shield

[@holyknightthatpwns]

Yoshi has a very weird shield that has some nice properties (sliding light shield, total intangibility, parrying), but using those properties well takes a lot of character specific skill. Unless you're insanely good at parrying, a large shield and the ability to jump out normally does almost the same thing for free.

[@tba6]

U can jump out of sheild

[@holyknightthatpwns]

@@tba6 Yes, unless you're yoshi. Then you can only jump out of a parry

[@tba6]

@@holyknightthatpwns ya ofcoarse I also meant when jumping, like wave dash. But u c what u mean because u can still deal with sheild pressure

[@SimpleAmadeus]

Why not just give Ganon and Mario their own tier? Is there some rule how many tiers there can be?

[@AndrewAJT]

Is this for solo mains or does it include for dual mains?

[@f0xy173]

Bowser has one move better than his ultimate counterpart Getup Attack

[@NateState]

Gotta love how G&W technically has 7 specials. 3 of his aerials are considered special moves in melee's code. That's also why they can't be L-cancelled.

[@E4439Qv5]

Thank you for the special education.