Mew2king Breaks Down Sora in Smash Ultimate!

[@TheRealMew2king]

Hey guys sorry for the delay on this! These were fun, and I love teaching the game (and games in general), which is also why I'm doing Coaching sessions for Ultimate (and other games) to help people improve on Metafy (check the youtube description for the exact link). Please Like/Subscribe/share/comment/etc for the algorithm etc that always helps as well! Many more Smash/Nick vids to come

[@elnegrooscuro]

A reason why I think that counter is broken is because since it stops the move, you can counter moves that have invincibility like wonderwing

[@elijahdarden1275]

Sora’s down smash also breaks shields it says it in the tips

[@SharonisCarin321]

Jason I had an interesting idea for you. What if Fans submitted their own fan made smash moveset with every detail possible and you decide how'd it be in the real game if it came true? I'd love to see you read Fan movesets and see how Broken they'd be if they are well made enough

[@moonstone2794]

U said Firaga perfectly at 25:17 btw

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@moonstone2794 actually Fi Rah Guh Thun Dah Guh Blizz Agah

[@Starkk44]

Mew2King has gotten so much better at talking on camera, it's surreal to watch him get to this point

[@RunDaRunLefay]

He sounds much more comfortable and uses his tone too! Which is awesome, makes it so much more engaging

[@myrigatoni]

I came here to say this same thing! This is the best video he has done by far, his speaking is so focused and gets you engaged. I watched the whole thing in one go and it did not feel like 40+ min. Big improvements from his previous videos!

[@ashtoncooper5478]

Fr

[@Shanx317]

I agree

[@PlanetMarzz]

you are definitely right

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Note: Sora's most consistent 2-frame option is dash attack, however down smash is also extremely good. However, in order to 2-frame with down smash, you must hit the opponent with the Keyblade itself (this hitbox is active for about 4-5 frames). The shockwave does not 2-frame.

[@tjknight]

Ahhh that's why it wasn't working. The more ya know

[@gabutman6144]

What does "2-frame" meaning?

[@darbyfabre2]

Idk why but I always go to M2K for all my definitive Smash opinions. If M2k says someone is S tier then they're S tier. If he says thier B tier then they're B tier. I really value your input bro

[@TheOnlyDTM]

probably because he's the undisputed king of all things smash. lol

[@RellekEarth]

Jason, for the side b, you don't have to mash the B button to get the second and third hits. Holding B locks on, meanwhile holding a direction WITHOUT B automatically continues the attack in the direction you are holding. So you can input side B once, then hold the direction you want to go without pressing any buttons. Mashing B locks on to foes if they are in range. You can even let go of the control stick before the end of the second dash and cut the move short. The more you know.

[@occamsaturn]

you can cut it after the first one or the second one it's really useful if you're close enough in range that they can't block and you can move it right into another attack while they're stunned

[@RellekEarth]

@@occamsaturn yeah i forgot to specify that you can also only do 1. Grazie

[@Cystlib]

How do I escape the homing side B when playing against Sora?

[@RellekEarth]

@@Cystlib if you get hit by the first hit, the followups are guaranteed. If you block the first, he is really laggy before each followup and after he finishes. Its really easy to punish, just a bit hard to react to that first side b online.

[@Cystlib]

@@RellekEarth thank you. I'm still trying to figure out how to fight him because I struggle a bit, but I'm slowly getting better at it

[@Probasaur]

Hard to imagine this is most assuredly the finale of M2K's Ultimate DLC Character Guides. Ironically enough you can chart the improvements Jason made throughout, and just as he's at his peak and has gotten incredibly good at presenting all this info in an entertaining fun way that's easy to follow.... now there's no more ultimate characters on the horizon. Looking forward to plenty of other content whatever it may be, would enjoy seeing more melee content for sure. Thank you Jason and Domo and everyone at MVG for all the great work you guys do. It has helped me when Ive needed it most when im feeling extra cruddy from my illness your vids have always been a good way to take my mind off the pain. Much love. Best Regards, James

[@MemeNess]

Very well said

[@travisowens8905]

Sora's counter ignores moves that grant invincibility. It can punish wonderwing. Since it stops the move it's countering before punishing it invincible moves won't save you.

[@regiesrules]

The last one of These.. it has been a pleasure!

[@animeloverhaven]

I’m so hype Sora got in.I think his combo potential is crazy and he’s really fun to play.

[@RioT1234-r3i]

Fun to play annoying to fight

[@captainmega6310]

@@RioT1234-r3i well, annoying if you're bad

[@Dara-up1pt]

@@captainmega6310 can I play u? 😅

[@captainmega6310]

@@Dara-up1pt not in the mood

[@rhysjones1108]

@@RioT1234-r3i depends on the character luigi and mew2 I find don’t have a hard time dealing with him

[@Zerog41612]

Alot of people do these kind of analysis but you do them the best by far

[@redx5216]

Wait for izawsmash "how to sora". He is good too!

[@Ryan_Austin]

Something extra to note: - the first hit of side b has considerably less end lag and actually true combos into jab if you hit towards the end of the move - IDJ fair after d-throw at low percents can be dragged down after the second hit (if you hit idj fair it cancels vertical momentum) which can lead to cool strings, or give you more damage from dthrow at low percents than nair or short hop fair - short hop firaga on shield can have some cool mixups because it stalls aerial momentum and has little end lag. Haven’t tested this but seems possible - fsmash 2 frames

[@redx5216]

It is worth to hit 1 side b into 3 jab instead of the full side b combo?

[@Ryan_Austin]

@@redx5216 Does 1% less than full side b combo lol but could be better positionally since side b combo puts you in free fall and jab could send people offstage

[@colinhay1666]

Thanks M2K! I think using fast fall to cancel Nair/Fair after the second hit lets u convert & unlocks his combo game. Also falling up air is kinda like smash 4 Cloud & close fire combos into down tilt/side B sometimes.

[@b3ardedragon921]

Yeah when sora dropped i was instantly fast falling from the 2 hit air combo into blizzard,fire,forward smash, etc. Its really good.

[@colinhay1666]

@@b3ardedragon921 Yeah and especially down tilt from Fair 1,2 fast fall

[@iv3477]

Just wanted to add a lil note here, you actually have to input the fast fall right before the 2nd hit comes out to cancel it properly, not after

[@b3ardedragon921]

@@iv3477 you're right. It tricky at times

[@iv3477]

@@b3ardedragon921 it's one of those things where it feels really easy to get down in training mode but much harder to pull off consistently in match. For me at least

[@Boltizar49]

Sora’s Nair also hits behind him and puts the opponent in front of him to continue the 3 hit combo. Dair also has a pretty wide hitbox.

[@occamsaturn]

nair's not very reliable for putting them in front of you though haha

[@Reallyjoyboyfr]

@@occamsaturn u have to di, u can actually land in front or behind

[@momodakitsune6750]

Point blank firaga consistantly combo's into jab. Thundaga lands closer when used in the air, and covers sora better against skinny characters, but his thundaga struggles to consistantly combo above 70-90%. Blizzaga is great for edguarding without much commitment, since it's a lingering projectile that freezes very easily. You do not need to press B more than once using side B. It's similar to Pikachu's recovery, in that it moves with just analog input. To stop moving, stop moving the analog. To home, press B repeatedly.

[@momodakitsune6750]

@@shaun6945 Interesting, I'll have to try that out.

[@overhaul7456]

I think for analyzing a character and knowing first the pros and cons of Sora the best is Mew2king.

[@sanaru02]

Love these so much. Loads of information that starts basic and ranges into complex quickly

[@Jejeco]

Hey man, regarding the Side B, if you input side b, and the other dashes with A, you can aim wherever you want.

[@jo54763]

You don't need to press A, you just need to keep inputting directions. If you keep clicking B it homes. If you let go of the control stick it stops the dash.

[@sdani.]

@@jo54763 I think you can also hold the b button to home in

[@Jejeco]

@@jo54763 ahhhhh ill test it out

[@ZxChrono]

Always love your character analysis M2k. The goat of breaking down a smash character and you always get some useful info (aside from frame data) and different perspectives on strengths and weaknesses.

[@JanSport805]

Sweet, been waiting for your analysis video since his release

[@nightingaming9948]

One thing I found while testing sora is fireaga can start a jab lock from range if the opponent misses tech on stage

[@stebopign]

M2K. super appreciate this video!! thank you!!!. I really plan to main sora. he gives me the same happy feelings i get when playing my main!

[@Estus1999]

the first hit of Sora's F-tilt can hit on ledge/2-frame

[@rpgfanatic9719]

One thing I'd like to point out about blizzaga is that it's a good in your face off stage interception tool because it hits extremely rapidly multiple times in one spot and then of course freezes them, at high percents they'll definitely die frozen, and at lower percents you can pressure or hit them with forward air before and after a break out, which you can easily do because also the ice block increases their hit box so that helps the skinny issue obviously. And even if you trade with them, they get stunned so you're still at advantage for an up b aerial wall. Sora might definitely be the best offstage wall in the game, at least the most versatile. And theoretically speaking the way all of these magic moves work together is that at mid range zoning distance, firaga forces jumps and thundaga catches those jumps with its insane aerial coverage, and blizzaga gimps them off stage after.

[@GuardianAngelEatos]

You and me both! I predicted Sora being the last fighter and being a fighter since near the beginning of DLC pack 1. I think Namco Bandai did an excellent job balancing Sora! He's a great character with a lot of solid moves, but nothing broken that requires him getting a nerf. I think he's a solid fair S tier character. I didn't even think of using down aeriel like that! I usually ignore these type of moves since they've always been bad! I knew his recovery was amazing and one of the best if not the best, but did not think of testing to see if he could come back from using that off stage. Very good details to note Jason. Thank you. I would never guess that Sora was heavier than Sephiroth. I want to know why Sephiroth is so light.

[@VitunVatiVille]

All they need to do is make his combo hitboxes more consistent. A lot of them drop simply because the hitbox is messed up against certain characters or maybe even all of them.(Or maybe his floatynes is at fault here?) Also maybe have the first hit in his side b to be aimable in any direction to really give him the the air control or would that be too broken?

[@meta4knight]

The tip menu says Nair is easier to connect if the stick is centered

[@VitunVatiVille]

@@meta4knight Its easier but it still drops way too much against smaller characters making it unviable to a point you get punished more times than you should.

[@aaronmay4833]

Thank you Mr.King and MVG for the Infos. We're going to proceed on your Data.

[@anacreon212]

Something you missed about blizzaga is that it does alot of damage to sheild to the point that i think blizzaga + i think down tilt sheild breaks? i forgot which move it was after blizzaga breaks the sheild.

[@JustGoldy77]

Down smash probably

[@Reallyjoyboyfr]

@@JustGoldy77 too slow, they would’ve already ran away or something

[@MilesLedger]

One thing I won't be able to sleep without pointing out is Soras Blizzaga keeps enemies frozen longer if you continuously press/mash B as it is being cast.

[@mkrudesign4036]

I love when m2k gets jazzed up and animated

[@phoenixpinna]

Another interesting mechanic, IDJ Nair does the normal floaty jump but IDJ fair cancels the jump height and is almost float cancel height. Might be good for different combo routes

[@crisXD2010]

Nice video Jason, thank for sharing!

[@isthe_n]

I really thought m2k was gonna say, "or if you're optimal, 2 seconds" when he told us to subscribe.

[@DauntlessBlade___]

also freeze does sooo much shield damage.It's great for shield breaks

[@chloelittle7036]

I think Sora is pretty great. At least he’s fun asf to play. If he’s able to be truly optimized I think he could be a top tier but at worst I see him as one of those weird high tiers that does really well against a lot of good/great characters but has a few awful matchups with some of the low tiers

[@FabulousJejmaze]

You don't need to hold or mash B for side B, you can just press B once then hold the stick to control it. B only toggles the homing ("rave mode"). By letting go of both B and the stick you can choose to do 1, 2 or 3 dashes!

[@GhostofCerberus]

i appreciate these videos so much technical details.

[@chinesemassproduction]

looking forward to the frame data analysis

[@cybrsatori]

you can make the counter work from behind if you flick the stick when the hit connects too

[@nariya36]

can you elaborate??

[@cybrsatori]

@@nariya36 Sora’s counter only works in front of him, but with some testing if you flick the stick right before the attack should hit - Sora will turn. Not sure if this was intentional.

[@angelomendoza6666]

@@cybrsatori Oh, so Sora can “turn” his counter but it just doesn’t show up?

[@cybrsatori]

@@angelomendoza6666 Yes. In the moment the opponent is stunned, flick the control to face them. Just tested it.

[@manuelsputnik]

Finally, a good breakdown.

[@DemiGodjones]

Very helpful man, because I'm really tryna be a great Sora main and this helped thanks

[@RunDaRunLefay]

Keep up the good work M2K!

[@MTEllipsis]

d-throw nair at lower % feels more consistent to me than d-throw fair, so that could be good early on to guarantee a combo...

[@CoriCluchey]

Great info here, I love kingdom hearts so I really want to get good with Sora. Thanks for the Help m2k!!

[@bryanrodriguez7552]

He always got the best breakdowns

[@Genchi_Violet]

Another thing M2K is down air is game changing if people juggle you and get greedy if you hit them with down air at 80-90% it'll send them into the blast zone because it launches up. That's the only implication that I use on stage other than for mixups.

[@xolotltolox7626]

Why do they add extra hitstun frames to certain moves if they could just remove hitstun cancelling entirely

[@istaIri]

GUYS, idj up air into up B combos as a kill confirm, works out of back hit nair and down throw. Really good kill confirm and with the right string you can get easy 0-deaths, trust me. Stuff like fast fall fair into down tilt into up tilt into idj up air into up B is really nice

[@DIvineTzhaar]

Smething to note on up throw, is it does kill similar to marth up throw. 150s ish

[@yoshog7601]

Nice

[@sonicpower1750]

Thank you for the break down good sir!

[@sekiro5870]

I noticed something about thunder. This missing opponents stuff happens quite often chatacters can just randomly not get hit and it can seem like there just passing through it. Maybe that's just me, plus it seems inconsistent for example if you only land the second strike of it there is a chance the 3rd won't hit especially higher percents theyjust get sent flying from the second hit and miss the 3rd. If anybody else is getting this and knows why please let me know. Thanks I advance

[@j.prt.979]

The thunder hit box is just really narrow, causing inconsistency. However, you can mitigate this by using short hop thunder because the thunders come out much closer together when you do the move in the air. It won’t have as much range, but it will greatly improve consistency.

[@sekiro5870]

@@j.prt.979 thank you very much for telling me this. Have a great day my friend.

[@tristianhansen1161]

Nair also can kill if they are around 80% and you catch them by the blast zone

[@JohnAbdielgonzalez-bl4xl]

The kingdom key. Light in the dark. And the key to the door to eternal light

[@andreayton1993]

Great vid broooo 🙌🏾

[@Tonjit41]

8:51 Blue shows intangablility.

[@cmm3030]

This guide was amazing

[@jacemasood3019]

one thing you didn't mention if that the up tilt doesn't scoop from behind you. also ff nair 1 combos into basically everything at any percent!

[@RezzNations]

Thanks for the hard work

[@manofgames4555]

Always on point

[@FriscoKazvartuez]

This thumbnail gives me life.

[@whitaker_media]

Personally I'm loving freeze to up smash. Plenty of opponents die to that one in the right situation 😎

[@tristianhansen1161]

Doing an up tilt into up air works wonders as well

[@MATRIX_SPORTS]

why does side B not work after up B sometimes? i havnt used side B at all and i jump into up B to recover but side B doesnt work and i die

[@ArchesBro]

Oh I think Pyra is when they added the additional hit stun. It would really change how the game is played. I wonder how different the game would be if they all incorporated it

[@noahlucas9151]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[@AeroBlastX775]

LETS GO!

[@WeebGamer101]

Can sora block Terry's power geyser and hit him after blocking it mew 2 king?

[@RellekEarth]

Falling uair like Roy to instant double jump uair to up b is ALMOST a kill confirm at 40-60%. So close. Just a couple frames between the upb and the uair. Maybe a good trap?

[@codentia___4369]

That sounds like a good confirm on tri plat stages

[@kellen987]

When is the m2k book coming out? Or did I miss it

[@bryanrodriguez7552]

I was waiting for this vid since sora came out

[@castsmeteor3]

I’ll leave a comment for you M2K. Hope your week goes well.

[@WeebGamer101]

Hey mew 2 king can sora counter all of clouds limit break attacks including his tornado and since it's a strong attack potentially kill him while countering them?

[@Zyborggian]

Goddamn do I love that thumbnail

[@GoMaDssb]

His side-b can kill off the top, maybe good against snake?

[@elitecombine5373]

Sad to see the breakdown series go. 😭

[@bruh_ruok4081]

Imagine a sora with a additional jump spirit with 2 lightweights or jump spirits or both his jump + recovery is broken

[@agentkoopa6129]

Actually mew2king his down tilt can to frame the ledge on Piru and Mithra

[@uzival6241]

No Mythras were harmed in the making of this video

[@elryu8333]

Hy M2K, Im your fan

[@hououinkyouma5539]

Do you really think the FAIR angle is that big of a deal? Maybe on bad recoverys

[@moonbeam2730]

thank u i am now a sora master

[@Ridku13]

How does he know the frames from the attacks?

[@trillager8602]

You can setting training mode to 1 frame at a time and count how many frames are between when you press the button and when the move hits

[@chiliandcornbread09]

You new here pal?

[@Ridku13]

@@chiliandcornbread09 yes I'm new

[@neptuneart551]

SORA!!! Can't believe he's here 😅

[@Phoquehead]

the counter is really buggy it feels, ive hit people behind me with it somehow? and side b is just kinda meh aside from recovery but overall very fun character, he feels pretty good and landing his combos is super satisfying, im happy wit him

[@angelomendoza6666]

The counter will work from behind if the move that hits you also reaches to your front. Also side b is only really useful for recovery or after an out-of-shield up b.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

@@angelomendoza6666 People really sleeping on side b

[@sonicsucks2961]

@@Xeno_Solarus It works as a good burst option to catch your opponent off guard but other then that no reason to ever use it on an enemy especially if they're playing very defensive.

[@MHanzel]

you can 2 frame with first Jab

[@joseanzhao4235]

You don't need to mash B on side B to go to the direction u want all u have to do is press side B once let go of the B and hold the direction u want to go and Sora will ignore the opponent

[@splish_2]

can someone tell me what 2 framing is? new to smash

[@regiesrules]

I am not 100% sure, but I think when someone gets up from ledge, there is a 2-frame window in which the opponent can be hit. Moves with a lingering hit box like Sora's dash attack are good for that as they are more likely to hit that 2-frame window

[@theexaltedlt8222]

When a character grabs the ledge there are two frames were they don't have invincibility. After that they do for a couple of seconds

[@j.prt.979]

@@theexaltedlt8222 This guy is correct. One other thing to note is that some characters have ways to circumvent it and sometimes it just doesn’t exist. More of a general principle than a rule.

[@mccubbinash]

YESSSS

[@stebopign]

back in the old days they were just called Fire 1, Fire 2, and Fire 3. now it's Fire, Fira, and Firaga Blizzard, Blizarra, and Blizag a

[@Xeno_Solarus]

In the old days of Final Fantasy, yeah, but not Kingdom Hearts.

[@NomadicBrain]

Sora is a ton of fun

[@basedronin]

hell yea

[@hououinkyouma5539]

Pretty sure Links UpB scoops, while soras doesn't

[@Xeno_Solarus]

Sora's absolutely scoops

[@xinj6142]

Another reminder that Sephiroth weight needs to be buffed lol

[@Reallyjoyboyfr]

Nintendo thinks he’d be op

[@Shanx317]

Hi. Nice vid

[@ozperez1955]

Are we gonna have 1 final Tier list for last balance patch and all DLC to get your opinion on it?

[@Rhainiac]

I love the youtube algorithm

[@focusfernand0]

0:15 “least deadly looking weapon ever” …ever heard of blunt force trauma?

[@Xeno_Solarus]

It may not look deadly but it packs a PUNCH

[@Ram-wp7fe]

Here for the algorithm 😅

[@shrek3747]

Evil Mew2King be like: Puff should have no Puff Limit, and wobbling is fun!

[@focusfernand0]

25:15 heh heh… fear-awe-guh

[@raptorboss6688]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@MannFace51]

He may not be a top tier but he is best boi