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[@KRRT]

Chad isn't just the engineer, he's one of the 2 brothers (+Brad Richardson) who created and runs / own MVP

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

lol If I wasn't a fraud reporter I would've known this... 😂

[@graemedouglas4279]

I think MVP responding here makes perfect sense and isn't crazy at all. Let's be real. MVP is selling these cheap discs to recover what would otherwise be lost costs. Generating a bunch of online conversation and giving some small group of people a way to figure out which cheap moulds to buy to match discs they know they like just means reducing storage times in the warehouse. Smart business all around. Great creative solution to reduce inefficiencies and allow them to do more with their resources. You love to see it!

[@mmdoof]

Yeah, I think this is good practice especially for the beginners who look for cheap discs to try out. Instead of getting a Swedish baseline plastic disc that gets destroyed in a month or a Chinese disc that can't handle a gentle breeze, they can buy an actual premium disc for the price of a throwaway beginner disc. Although a little bit of marketing would make it work out even better.

[@dhyde7723]

After learning all this, MVP is even more my favorite disc golf company. Great folks, great transparency, great sponsor, great discs!

[@broderic]

I've never learned more about frisbees than while watching this video.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

anything for you, Brod!

[@dtierdiscgolf]

When are you guys finally gonna play each other for a vid?

[@hokiemonproductions9558]

I have the feeling that the demand for Remix discs will go up as a result of these videos

[@calebdyer6332]

That’s why mvp is giving this information out

[@cup_and_cone]

It's possible $12 will become $16, but also maybe not... The purpose of these discs is to clear out their materials and make use of assets (molds) they've invested in. From a business perspective they're probably interested in getting this product sold.

[@BryceRogers_]

@@cup_and_cone this!! And I sure hope they stay low.... I got 4 of their molds in, and they fly like money. Basically brand new streamline and TSA plastic

[@hiddenleaf414]

@@cup_and_cone Does the plastic go bad after awhile? I have a hard time believing MVP needs to move material when they have MVP/Axiom/Streamline and also TSA and Mint. They just made like 500k worth of discs for Mint last year.

[@Honda_Drew]

Well damn.. tell me why I wanna buy every mold now of remix disc when I don’t even need them at all? 😂I’m just a mvp die hard. That price point is… on point for remix disc

[@dwmichaels]

This is what AI (Bard) had to say, so you can take it with a grain of salt: Chad Richardson's nickname, VoDR, is a portmanteau of his initials, V.O.D.R., which stands for "Very Original Discs Research". This was the name of the company that Chad and his brother, Steve, started in 2005 before it was eventually renamed MVP Disc Sports. Chad is a co-founder of MVP Disc Sports along with his brother. Chad is the engineer for all MVP products, including and especially the beloved GYRO Overmold. He is also a very active member of the disc golf community and is always willing to help out new players.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Super cool insight! Thanks for sharing Dave!

[@RustySeatbelt]

AI is OP. Thanks Bard!🤖

[@TheTiredWanderer]

Chad, if you're out there, release the GYRO-X Beam!

[@laf733715]

Nice knowing you, hopefully you don't disappear after putting this all out there.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

It was fun while it lasted 🫡

[@stagecoachrobbery]

MVP is one of the most transparent companies I have ever seen. Love it!

[@remingtonputter5162]

I suggest you get a white board behind you and draw this family tree up for us visual learners 😂

[@serenityinsilence]

This happens a lot in all industries, and makes total sense for disc golf to do the same. It’s good info though, I needed a few new inexpensive discs for the bag😂

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Totally! Def not a bad thing just super interesting

[@MaxLBogue]

Streamline Discs do have the embossing on the wing. Only 3 logos, since they don't include the Gyro logo on those.

[@Geo00980]

This is a great video for sure! Only thing I'll say is the torpedo I have is DEFINITELY thinner than the pathfinder. Not sure if I got one different but it is noticably thinner. But I do notice that yeesh you got it right with which molds are matching to other molds at least feel wise. I didn't know the ronin was an apex though so that's good to know! Thanks!

[@detectablethickness]

This was legitimately FASCINATING. I’m gonna have to watch again to make sure I caught all that info lol.

[@ericlynch9443]

So interesting! Thank you for sharing and explaining this!

[@Sandsawks]

I'm a "MVP" only thrower. I've had some TSA discs that I've thrown for fun but recently picked up a Mint Freetail because I noticed the Sublime plastic was Plasma, which is my favorite. I fell in love with that disc and slowly picked up every TSA Ethereal or Mint Sublime disc I could and replaced the MVP/Axiom/Streamline equivalent I had in the bag. I knew the plastic was the same but never knew why. I've been frustrated trying to get some of those Ethereal or Sublime discs that are out of stock. Now, thanks to your video, I can sleep knowing I did everything I could.

[@stbnj]

Picked up the Ronin, Spartan, Battleship and Torpedo. My only regret is that I didn’t grab a glow battleship when they still had them.

[@ryanglasshagel5886]

If you like the praxis grab the eldritch they are identical as well. Very different blends than what I’m used to with the mvp family. Some truly great discs on molds that are well proven.

[@brettmchan2855]

Dude thanks for the need out session!!! So interesting! I have a buddy I just got into disc golf and I told him to pick these up cuz theybare great flyers and at such a great price! I wish when I started I knew about this!!! Then I wouldn't have a giant rack filled with 20 - 25 dollars discs haha keep up the great work man

[@ChaosKLC]

This feels illegal to watch 😂😂 this is a DEEP level understanding of how marketing works.

[@Peake_DG]

Thank you so much for the misprint hex! I it is one of my most special discs forever now. Up there with my tilt and inner core.

[@JJ-kx3en]

That Foundation question was me... Thanks for the video, super interesting! Love MVP so all of this is so intriguing.

[@chrisdwarz]

“And we would have gotten away with it too…If it wasn’t for you and your pesky following” really cool they replied. Glad that so many brands are out there growing because of great companies like mvp. I wonder if LSD has anything like that going on 🤔. Off to find mint discs in plastics I don’t have. Also eternal alphas BEFORE eternal alphas. Crazy

[@jasonedens3778]

That was pretty cool, thanks for the little bit of insider info.

[@jonsidell3338]

I remember Chad’s enthusiasm on DGR when he fell in love with the game. Hyzer flipping DX Teebirds! I believe the revelation of Wizards having a thinner top with a more dense rim lead us to where we are today with MVP. Great video Bodanza!

[@JacobPorterLadder]

That and their family I believe already had an overnold company for a different industry and thought of bringing that to disc golf

[@jonsidell3338]

@@JacobPorterLadder It was a perfect storm. The family did indeed own an injection molding facility.

[@cwm180]

Excited to get my Remix Battleship aka Mint Bobcat in a few days

[@NickCarroll]

The cool thing is people can buy a disc to fill a slot if they miss a disc, or they want a specific disc, can't find it anywhere, they can get the same essential disc from another brand. Or in this case with Remix, a cheaper version of the same disc.

[@davidcash6370]

I need a chart to correlate all the Remix molds to other brand molds

[@pineapplesaucedaboss]

What a great two part series! You an MVP ;)

[@jonc9922]

The spartan and trace i have are drastically different. The wing shape is similar but the spartan is 1cm thinner rim and significantly lower wing height. I could hyzer flip lazer beam the spartan back when my max power was only like 300ft.

[@krpi7685]

This is really interesting. I hope we can get someday a proper deep dive into this topic with confirmed information. Would be especially interested to hear how the companies leasing MVP's molds respond. In the mean time, as I do not like this trend at all, I shall only purchase discs from companies that have their own machines. Just to be on the safe side. Funny how it's the exact same thing with whiskey. So many small whiskey companies getting their alcohol from the same massive distilleries, slapping a new label on the product and coming up with a silly story for their brand. It's all so... cheap.

[@tysonmatthews4514]

Thank you for this info!

[@scootermustang7683]

Based on your first video, I ran to Amazon and looked at Remix. I got an Eldritch because I'm a fan of the Bullet. Also, the picture under the disc reviews was in Mint's Eternal plastic(proton?). What I got was a disc in Mint's Sublime(Plasma). I was excited because the don't make Bullets in Sublime. I threw it next to a Mason Ford Apex Bullet. Flies the same. Now, I live in Central Texas and will support Mint as my local company. That said, I know I have a cheaper option for, say, water hazards as an example. Plus, it's a little fun to get a mystery "sport" plastic. Again, Mint doesn't make a Sublime Bullet, but now I sort of have one 😂

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

totally! This makes a ton of sense! Super interesting! this was also cool to confirm that the sport is a random premium plastic!

[@Acryllixx]

There are two runs of sublime bullets. The bullet girl stamp and the Ninja slice and dice stamp.

[@scootermustang7683]

@Travis Harris cool beans! Did the first run feel a little soft? This feels softer than the couple other Sublime discs I have. Feels nice.

[@tater128]

Yo that’s kinda wild. I really appreciate this video ❤

[@Nardath]

i jumped on the Envy bandwagon since James Conrad's Holy shot and recently built a full MVP bag after Simon's switch, and im having lots of fun with it! great info and very cool how they responded like that, funny that he had to make an account just to respond lol im guessing he wasnt actually trying to hide who he was, considering you have a good following and someone was gonna figure it out eventually. luckily it was someone who's got status in the company coz if this were some new employee or something, im sure theyd be fired hahaha prolly ur most informative video yet lol Thanks Chad!

[@menbah]

Really interesting topic here. On a side note, regular disc mold are actually three parts. If you look you can see there is one parting line on the outside edge, but also one on the bottom where the wing ends. So there is a top, wing underside and an 'inside' of the discs.

[@chucksherron]

That is the "core" Chad was referring to.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Interesting Magnus! I didn't know but I guess makes sense! And I don't think it's the core, like Chuck says, the Core that Chad was referring to I'm 99% sure is the blank of the disc they get before putting on the overmold, because MVP doesn' thave a parting line, just wing height

[@thatdirtykid]

The .1cm variance on PDGA is likely a combination of human error in measuring and variance between different runs and submitted plastics. Wild to put this "debate" closer to rest.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

that's what I was thinking too!

[@AdamPlayzz]

Thankyou for the info

[@sammyclark838]

This is a really good video. Does mint discs have any putters that share a mold with the praxis?

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

I think the bullet?!?

[@ryanglasshagel5886]

The eldritch is a praxis. They are money. Same as mint bullet and jester love.

[@jeffreyboyd4647]

If anyone knows what other discs are the same mold as the mint grackle I’d love to know.

[@Jonnydon24]

I wonder if there's a comprehensive list anywhere that says which discs across different brands share molds

[@jasonokay]

Hype. I've owned a remix basket for two years. Left it out in the rain twice and some of the chain links are already rusty. Believe what you want

[@mrcactus_jones]

I need a spreadsheet of what MVP disc is what Amazon disc

[@mmdoof]

This also gives some answers to one of my long-time questions: Why Innova has sister brands like Hyzerbomb that never have discs in stock 😁 I used to throw Hyzerbomb and Millennium for a while but had to give up after waiting for restocks that never came. Discmania was about to become another one of these surplus outlets, so they had to start producing their own...

[@caseysmith544]

Yep, Discmania was going to be the next surplus outlet, as they were more a side brand Innova sold Disc Though, The Way Millenium was in the 2000's to very early 2010's before they became an outlet for extra plastic. I do think that Millenium once Dave dies will be moved into the Innova lineup as more the Innova Millenium line since the current owner of Millenium is next in line to be owner of Innova that is the person who used to be the second for Innova until the owner of Millenium founded Prodigy before starting the venture to mainly make molds for other companies only, a venture that has yet to work as too many already are working with other brands that have discs made by other companies. I think that they only have one brand that is being made by the company.

[@Mclovinit349]

Thank you again for the shout-outs. The boys and I are hyped once again😂

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

For sure!

[@supaflashdiscgolf237]

I feel vindicated :) Cool info!

[@chrispalmer3967]

I have a remix practice basket. Its just a blue mvp black hole. Cost $50 less.

[@Chris-hj9dd]

Very cool, had no idea

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Does Remix have the equivalent of the Deflector? Cuz if they have those for $10-12. I’ll buy 10 lol

[@adza2554]

This is a great video and a great comment that was dropped.

[@marvinkalju7123]

Any ideas of what behemoth is?

[@BloodofEli]

Appreciate your work! Keep Yeet’n!

[@bmfitz2647]

But is the glow plastic the same as eclipse plastic?

[@Koa1989]

I'm sure they are doing this to compete with the discmania active line

[@thenerdgirl1]

That IS nuts. Ha! And on Canadian Amazon they're not cheap. They're around $50. Which is expensive compared to what I normally pay for a mid to premium disc ($20-$30). The most I've spent on a single disc is $40. So I will not be checking these out. Lol.

[@Mclovinit349]

I’m so hyped to watch this after school. I’m an mvp plastic fanboy

[@lukemara5731]

Can you pin the full list of copy molds? Aka Pathfinder, Mustang, … = Torpedo; Bullet = Eldrich…etc?

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

If someone comments it I will, I'm not 100% confident in it

[@gregs2268]

Good work detective.

[@TheAquaman177]

After your vid I came across a r/discgolf post that had a table with the Remix molds and their equivalents, but it appears that subreddit has been deactivated 😢

[@digital0785]

NGL kinda wanna grab some of them just from price lol

[@Chain_Star_Productions]

Though space not what I thought Lol Quote of the day

[@cesarescalante11]

So to summarize: yes. It's good business to minimize waste and maximize margin while allowing us to be responsive to demand without just undercutting ourselves because these are slightly different than the flagship disc you pay the premium for.

[@m4sl_academy]

I have a remix battleship what is that a mold of?

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

I think the bobcat

[@m4sl_academy]

@@BodanzaDiscGolf thank you!!

[@RipperStudio]

Ok, so both Innova and Remix (MVP) have a disc called the Juggernaut?

[@corbinmckay3415]

It’s funny that I came across this video while debating whether to buy a mustang or pathfinder lol

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

hahahah, well this def didn't make the choice easier!!!

[@lukezacharias3245]

Don’t really throw mvp, but I love the transparency

[@playdiscgolf1546]

I’ve always been mostly Innova, but over the last couple years a few mvp discs have made it into my bag. They are cash!

[@aramdg]

Sorry, but needed to point it out that it’s called emboss(raised) or deboss(recessed) not concave or convex. My designer brain couldn’t leave it alone.

[@agerlock917]

Cool video, but I nearly needed to reduce it to half speed lol. A little too much nose candy for breakfast?

[@solidghus4799]

Just bought a 6 pack of sport torpedoes. W.

[@origamimasterstudios5289]

Crazy

[@BlitzDG]

You should take these out in a field and just whip em to show flight paths in comparison.

[@kevchuck]

Bodanza Disc Mfg incoming

[@notinamillionyears3735]

This is crazy

[@BUBBLEBEARD]

🤯

[@JustBBlunt]

At first I was a little shocked but really it’s as controversial as selling misprinted stamps at a cheaper price.

[@wildcat31772]

this is so chaotic and hyper that it's making me out of breath on your behalf.

[@JayDeeTee]

It is so funny. Looking at Amazon in Germany, Remix Discs are pricey at 21 to 30€. This then is a clear rip off at German Amazon Customers. In Addition I would love to discuss too on naming of discs. Living in Europe literally close to a lasting aggression war, I have stopped to buy any disc that uses weapon names like Torpedo Battleship or Nuke.

[@doggyd.floofy7445]

Behemoth is a 12, 4.5, -1, 3 disc. MVP makes 12 speed discs confirmed

[@mmdoof]

What's the rim width on that? Just calling it a twelve speed doesn't really mean much on its own.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

haha it's def just a synapse/goat

[@rudyjakobs1317]

Nerve plastic isnt mvp made

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Good to know haha! Speculation DEBUNKED!

[@wraith8977]

Praxis -> Bullet -> Juggernaut

[@sarinhighwind]

100% not Chad or Brad posting that. Lot of the terminology is wrong for what they would use, and some of the info in there is just outright wrong and counter to what Brad/Chad has publicly said about such things as the shock/amp. They were not "discontinued cause mold compatibility." Come on... They would have had to make 100% new discs if that was the case. They had to re-tool everything they had, period, full stop. None of the previous molds were compatible. So any low selling molds were discontinued. The shock was a correction mold for the Volt. And... Oh my, after the re-tool the volt flew like a shock..... And the amp was a really poor seller. very niche following. Also, the account to comment that was created just a few days ago. As for the destroyer info though, that's correct, there are 2 destroyer molds. But only 1 is approved.

[@russellbanton8738]

The essential discs kickstarter is funny. Says they’ve been spending 7 years formulating the plastic blends when in reality they are using what mvp makes. They are sure making it sound like they mold their own stuff.

[@coinsinawishingwell]

I'm from the area that Essential Discs comes from. I truly believe that this is the case, and they have been in development for a long time. I occasionally bag an Essential Honey, and it sounds like Essential are working with MVP for fulfillment of these designs. FYI all my knowledge on this is second hand from a local disc retailer, thus my access to the Essential Honey. Just wanted to offer what I've heard from someone a little closer to the source!

[@russellbanton8738]

@@coinsinawishingwell designs, sure. Plastic blends, nope. Everything they showed is just the normal blends mvp shares with mint, tsa, remix, wild, jester, etc.

[@coinsinawishingwell]

Gotcha. I think it's a mix then, because the Honey putter has a much softer, grippier feel than anything I have used from MVP, Axiom, etc. However, the fact that Essential is going from producing one disc to several discs likely means they are using one of the MVP blends like you suggested in order to jumpstart their brand to actualize their vision.

[@anthonyhernandez1555]

I loved the ronin until I found out it wasn’t Pdga approved 😢

[@garyf5053]

They were all recently PDGA approved. That's partially what restarted this whole convo!

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

^^

[@jordanashford7521]

You're super hype.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I don't think that's actually Chad, idk why he'd ask for that video idea. Feels like it would be at their detriment

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

def would not. If he's saying they're selling on amazon with similar profits to the other companies, would only be to their benefit

[@captainbornfree]

So if your into dying discs... Good way to save some money if you don't care about aesthetics. Now where do I get my cheap Discraft molds...

[@Fjvillah]

DGA

[@raidonbay]

You are flagged! Nah, you're just on to something. Don't worry about MVP, they are a stand up company. You won't be dragged to de-monitization.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

they wouldn't even have a case anyway lolol But yeah I agree

[@pinhighdiscdyes]

Holy crap you talk super fast

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

yeah, esp when there aren't throws between sentences to temper it ;)

[@drkevns]

Great video… breathe…😅

[@dyvel]

0.1cm? Really? Ever heard of millimeters? The beauty of the metric system just flashed by, and you missed it completely, but that's what happens when your main measuring system is on drugs. (I know you're not when one who wrote it, so I'm not suggesting to kill the messenger, but still ;) )

[@boyfromoz7]

Well if you go missing or your body is found in a ditch... we now know what happened to you. Stay safe!

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Thank you! Hope it doesn't come to that ;)

[@bestbladerevah]

slow down. I know you're excited and want each second to have information but man you were you talking really fast and didn't give me any time to process anything you were saying. otherwise good video

[@chrischambers4379]

you can change the speed of the video on youtube

[@playdiscgolf1546]

.75x lol

[@fullyawakened]

This is just a 15 minute advertisement for Disc Remix. Not content

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

lol

[@eder8507123]

Anthony in this episode: media.tenor.com/4LvAD8hD5tcAAAAM/charlie-day.gif