My 2¢ on the KMST update

These half-baked changes are inept at handling the issues this game is facing. I don't think that ANY version of these proposed changes wouldn't work, but there has been an obvious and apparent lack of time and thought put into the long term ramifications of these changes.
Return to the drawing board on this one.
KMST ver 1.2.168 Update : orangemushroom...
GMS's official response to thses updates : maplestory.nex... (Final paragraphs)
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[@lolitsBilly]

i just don’t understand how nexon gets caught in a scandal and they punish the players lmao

[@LamTran-sz5li]

Need a punching bags

[@jinhongdai3354]

Transfer conflict and attention between Kms reg and kmsr.

[@schikey2076]

because their punishment is a slap in the wrist lol

[@xXxBo5sANaCxXx]

Biggest issue is them hiding everything behind the in game currency now and creating a loophole which they can use to continue manipulating rates, crazy how KMS players dont see that, some do but arent vocal enough

[@Aeterny]

That’s the plan. Look up any cubing and starforce session that lasts half an hour or more, why do STR classes roll the most favorable INT stat rolls that you would want for a magician? Why would an item explode despite 80% success rate for starforcing? Star catching is obviously rigged as well. Even if this doesn’t come to GMS, KMS is doomed since the players will either quit or spend thousands of dollars on meso pouches with a rigged probability so that they get less out of them,, worsening their spending addiction.

[@CallMeTonyga]

Ah yes, botting meso is an issue. Time to nerf a server that can't move money around by crippling bossing by 500% and farming by 500%.

[@riccardotavano9713]

And a 130% raise of price for a single brigth cube roll. ( and 340% compared to a glowing cube....which you won't be able to do anymore anyway)

[@ThomThom]

Meso cap is nonsense. Reboot nerfs unnecessary.

[@david21289]

gms need to alter some or most of the change if they want to survive, no way people will still play reboot gms if all kms change come here in full power. For the very least, keep bosses crystal price the same, or give more way to gain mesos daily, like reviving old PQs as a way to obtain mesos.

[@bladerain4773]

Im with him on this. Been playing maplestory since the beta, and these changes will kill the game.

[@PlsDontReadThis123]

I just moved on to other games and private servers. If they can't get with the times, i'll sadly leave them behind

[@quantumXphysikz]

YO SACRIX STOP DOOM POSTING

[@AnOtterNamedMoMo]

Anyone who doesn't agree with what you said has absolutely no clue about what is actually good for this game.

[@bangumi6672]

Do see a grand scheme of nexon wanting ppl to “play less but spend big money”. All recent updates has been telling players to play no more than 30 minutes a day and log off. Which is not a bad thing but adding cap is too much of a step. Nexon is telling you stop occupying server resources for grinding/farming sake, do dailies and whale for mesos. It’s not like progression is not already counting in terms of years. Only makes it worse that Nexon not only want your money but your entire life in this game before you see the latest content.

[@andrefilipehn]

im out of my lane here, but I dont know how KMS players "accept" so much shit back to back, lower rates, etc... dont understand how there isn't a boycott plan yet

[@DB-rp2gj]

Like Sacrix said there's a small minority in reg kms who treat this game not as a game but as a job/investment. They're so fucking greedy they would rather see their money secure than to see a game thrive. They don't care about the game they only care about money.

[@Aeterny]

The current predatory gambling system has been accepted in South Korea and possibly other parts of Asia for their gaming experience for a long time. This is just another way to take advantage of an unhealthy normalcy that they believe is what makes a video game.

[@Aeterny]

​@@DB-rp2gjThat doesn’t make sense, are they living in a bubble? Even though I haven’t played since 2013, everyone should have a vague idea of what can and will happen when you squeeze competition down, without all of the normal people playing and only the whales sustaining the game.. Nexon will have free reign to make even worse updates to lower favorable probability in order to maximize their spending with meso pouches and additional gameplay penalties.

[@riccardotavano9713]

@@Aeterny Yeah, but you're still talking about a game that have most of it's playerbase on reg and survived greatly like nothing happened not one, not two, but three scam/rate manipulation scandals....i mean, if it isn't depressing that idk. TBF for them this update is a big win since they're mostly on reg. Whales will be whaling anyway and for most people this is a pro since now the equivalent of a bright/black cube roll will only cost 50m compared to the 300m it was before (in their reg market) Only us are scared of this, because we will see our prices suddenly increase a lot and our farming capabilities fall down at the same time on all fronts and we have no way out of this since we can't swipe our credit card to win.

[@Aeterny]

@@riccardotavano9713 Gaming never should’ve turned out this way when it’s just a hobby that you can choose to spend money on, not your life savings. It’s why I couldn’t believe what I was seeing when customization and obtaining anything with actual money was becoming an hour at the slot machine.. I think the whales will eventually find themselves squeezed into a corner if they decide to float KMS and GMS if it’s implemented here, even though they have the time and the money, they can only spend so much before it becomes frustrating and maybe face the reality that they’re being massively conned since all of the fish in the sea will leave them to such a miserable existence.

[@HiddenOP]

Ever since this update announcement I’ve just phased out of the game. I don’t play besides doing the abyss afk. So sad. Was pushing for 8k legion and couple levels away from 280

[@Strat_MS]

Very well put together and said.

[@cringe4173]

its been a good run o7

[@Howie-o4p]

GMS @ 2021 is 2% of nexon revenue. I hope they make a decision that cares about their playerbase. Or they will lose it, even if 2% isnt much. Nexon might not be trusted by the GMS playerbase in the future.

[@Kajichuu]

Whelp, time to dust off those private servers soon.

[@andykxu]

never seen an up-to-date PS that wasn't P2W or using donor points as means of trading

[@nicktan7733]

Does nexon korea have the full authority of final say if GMS doesnt want to follow through with certain changes? for example the meso cap

[@iassay1030]

They make all decisions regarding the game usually.

[@thunderfireblaze9728]

Nexon gave their game management rights to Nexon Korea around 2019. So yes they do have full authority. Nexons job is to edit/change patches that are given to them from other regions

[@altsadhara]

So, the company structure that they use is Korea's version utilising the main developers, and then foreign regions have their own branch "international development" team in Korea that works independently of the main devs but still communicates with the higher ups at the company for any big changes, and under them are the actual branches present in different countries. Someone working for GMS in America may see what players are saying and then communicate it up the chain to the international dev team, who can either make a choice or escalate it to Nexon Korea's game leads depending on the nature of the change. So, Nexon Korea's higher ups do have full final say, but they have made changes for other regions in the past (i.e., cube tier up rates being much higher in GMS because the market here was never receptive to such low odds) so it's really impossible to know what they'd do exactly. I somewhat expect them to both implement the changes (if changes to the core game model reach live KMS servers, they're definitely going to reach other regions), while also trying to modify them in some way to better fit the region (as the changes are awful for most players, but especially for reboot, which is something like 60% or more of the GMS player base). I assume this based on situations in the past where GMS got a bit of leniency with previous changes, such as having 6x meso instead of the 5x from KMS to balance star forcing being more expensive here, or when boss reworks happened and Zakum's exp got reduced by like 90%, GMS just chose not to add that part.

[@tqk2811]

Cap meso is not problem for reboot (150m base ~= 2.5 wap), main problem is x6 meso & crystals

[@xyznova7038]

I hope I don't get burnt at the stake for this but here are my opinions based on the current information so far in kmst: -potential resets requiring meso only and allowing you to choose before or after seem like a positive change, though i think they should allow you to lock the potential lines while resetting potential if they intend to keep the cost of cubing like how the cost to reset IA works. the meso cap and the removal of ursus is completely stupid and borderline idiotic. Given how much of a meso sink so many other sources of power are (looking at you star force), why punish people grinding for the resources they need to progress? If they are this concerned with the economy, maybe now is the time to bring in red meso from maple m. removing reboot's increased meso rate doesn't make sense. If reboot is supposed to be an experience where there is no trade and you must obtain everything yourself, why does their meso have to go down if an economy does not exist? While reboot has a smoother progression curve, It has been said on repeat that the answer is NOT to bring down reboot in order to make regular servers more appealing, the answer should be improving regular servers to not feel so horrible.

[@ryanhoang1123]

I'm not going to comment much about the first two takes since well the first one is an interesting take, and most players agree with the 2nd one except idk what red meso is so im cautious about that. However, from what we do know the main reason reboot keeps getting nerfed is because KMS reg server whales treat the game as an investment market rather than a game. So they don't want reg server to change in a way that might mess with the market or make their items easier to make. As such, "just make reg server easier or better" doesnt really work in KMS since if you made it easier to progress then end game items would be cheaper/easier to get in return. Or at least getting somewhat close is easier. Even if that isnt the case the KMS whales (the ones that actually hold power cuz they spend the money cuz nexon is a greedy company) get the final say which is rather than change reg server and mess with their item prices, they would rather burn reboot to the ground so that their prices stay the same and players dont migrate out of reg server causing their items to POTENTIALLY drop in price. TLDR: KMS Whales complain that reboot is too easy and rather than buff reg they want reboot nerfed cuz their it might effect their item prices.

[@taliker]

Reboot never should have had the increased mesos in the first place... Look at osrs, ironmen there don't get more money for being an ironman. The biggest issue with fixing that is that what's best for kms is probably not the best for gms and vice versa. Also removal of ursus is brain dead and mesos cap might be brain dead it just depends on how it's implemented.

[@CallMeTonyga]

@@taliker except Ironmen have the same resources and options as normal mains and play alongside with each other, it doesn't work on maple since its separated by world and upgrade differences. Reboot is so far established that it would be very foolish to even think of world merge to Reg.

[@taliker]

@@CallMeTonyga Playing on the same world or not doesn't matter, also the upgrade differences are that it's cheaper(cubes) or the same price(sf) in reboot and we get free fd that is around as much as good bpots and fams in regs except they don't cost us 500b we just get it for free... How does it make sense for reg to have the same price of sf as us but our RED cubes cost 12m and their meisters(which have like way shittier rolls) cost 40m??? AND THEY MAKE LESS MONEY??? Yeah that's not healthy I don't think people understand that it's not healthy for reboot to be that much easier than reg... Being an ironman is about having it harder not easier but it makes for a much better progression curve.

[@Aeterny]

Removing cubes means removing the pressure they were under to reveal the probability rates for stat rolls, starforcing is also suspicious when you see an item explode despite being at 80% success rate, star catching is also a huge offender..

[@roiskyroyce9869]

I don’t understand how this benefits Nexon at all. 🥴 That’s the most confusing part about these changes.

[@david21289]

If Nexon keeps selling cubes for real money, they have the obligation to disclose the cubing rates, and can be sued by the FTC because it involves real money But by the new system, no cube = no obligation to disclose anything, They're free to manipulate and rig the system, and no one has the right to sue them, since no real money involved "directly" And as a bonus, Korean reg players seem to forget that Nexon rigged their cubing rate and praised them for killing reboot instead.

[@Delphinad]

talking without fully knowing if this is true but: The idea behind making cubes no longer cost real money means that the randomness mechanism behind them don't need to be made public. In korea where there are actual legal implications for how RNG operates in video games, this change makes sense for a large company like nexon.

[@taliker]

@@Delphinad The kms cubing numbers have been public for at least over a year, they're doing this because they don't want to lose the faith of the cash cows. 99% of maplers here and in kms have 0 reading comprehension and don't understand that what nexon got fined for happened years ago with most of it being mostly known for years just never fully confirmed. Also how does removing the system that allows maple to be very profitable make any sense even if the numbers weren't public... They got fined like 10mil so now they're going to gut the cash cow that makes way over double that money every year instead of just releasing numbers?

[@FrederickBorne]

There is a daily meso cap from looting, but not from the meso pouches inside the cash shop. Circumventing a liability issue, since players won't be buying cubes, but pouches instead.

[@AlanakaBlackCat]

it benefits them as a tax write off they are killing the game dont you get that why else do you think these changes are being implimented if they arent required

[@itsamememario545]

Here's what I think will happen. Cube removal WILL come through. There is no way, 0 chance, that they keep the cubes for GMS and maintain two separate systems going forward. 0. The best thing that can happen for us now, is the meso cap not coming through and the reboot meso bonus staying as-is. The meso cap not coming through (or at least raised higher) is more likely because GMS' economy is wildly different. The only reason I have any hope at all is because they removed instanced maps in reg but kept it in reboot, although it took the entire community an uproar because they're too stupid to realize the problem on their own. That is the only indicator that anything might be different this time as well. We can only wait and see.

[@mclwhite5289]

Meso cap has to be adjusted anyways even if they plan on introducing it as a system. 150m base rate is reachable in 1:30h with frenzy farming, theres no way in hell they add the same cap. I think youre right tho, cube changes as a buff for reg and a small nerf for reboot is fine if they keep the meso gain as it is // (6x reboot boss crystals+5x drop value and no meso cap on both servers). I play both servers and the progress on reboot seems like a private server compared to reg, imo there had to be some balancing eventually.

[@pandawarriah]

How does this pander to the players that view it as an investment? With meso cubes potentials will lose their value and the "stock" will go down. I do not think you thought that argument through. And before I get flamed for pointing that out - I do not like all these changes either.

[@david21289]

Wdym cubes potential lose value? If any it will skyrocket them because potential don't use cubes, it uses meso, cubes are deleted, none, nein, nehi, no more cubes. And on top of that meso is capped, 150m per day per char, no more ursus, no reboot meso multiplier. Meso value Will skyrocket, and since to pot you need to use mesos (which after the nerf cost 5x than before), potential value Will skyrocket too.

[@pandawarriah]

@@david21289 im talking about reg and so is sacrix in what im talking about. you do not understand reg economy. we already make no meso. Edit: this doesnt change the pacing of our economy that much, and cubes literally become like 30 times cheaper. we will not reduce our income by 30 times, so cube prices go down.

[@Aeterny]

​@@david21289 The cube change is just their way of weaseling out of revealing the actual probability rates for the stat roll since it’s no longer associated with an item. Nexon is just doing whatever they can to skirt the law after being exposed twice for manipulating item probability with cubes and an event..

[@gioagos4997]

Incorrect. Cheaper potential costs = more potentials cropping up. More supply + same server population= value dropping. He was correct. it'll just hurt the value of the items the Whale's created. It's poor for investment purposes.... The only value that hasn't been taken into consideration is how many people would opt to gamble vs going to the set potential. Most people would try it 4 or 5 times fail to get the potential they want and opt for buying it. Same that use to happen here in GMS.

[@LessFluff]

Maplestory could be such a great game.. If not for all the legacy content, Horrible changes nexon does and so on.

[@gingersnaps2982]

What do you mean by legacy content?

[@plaguedoctor5657]

@@gingersnaps2982he means badges make him sad or something lmaoooo.

[@Aeterny]

It was a great game before Big Bang, it was still doing well after the update, it was just a steady decline to make it here in terms of constant microtransactions and predatory gambling mechanics like most MMO’s out there.

[@notingbutgaming8809]

If this update comes to gms i feel like its a tie to be honest sucks that you cant get cube from bosses but bpot being able to use meso with white cube effects would be huge for free to play. Reg server meta already shifting towards boss mules. just hope meso cap is changed a bit. reboot is just a easier server i can see why the keep nerfing reboot you progress 10x faster then if you were to play reg with fd passive cube prices, meso rates, drops rates, and boss crystal prices. Rip reboot probably gonna see clover event after reboot nerf

[@notenoughiframes]

Feels like every month theres another reason everyone is gunna quit. I doubt the game dies, the addicts will adapt.

[@XJ9LoL]

i dont play this game so wouldve been nice to hear what the changes are and what it means.

[@altsadhara]

The summary of the changes are as follows: Cubing is a system of bonus stats that require real money to buy in most servers (Reboot being created as an exception to that). As a result of the Korean FTC punishing Nexon for changing the coding of the cubes without telling players, and then directly lying that nothing changed, Nexon decided to completely rework the system. Cubing will now no longer cost real money... directly. It was changed to the in game currency that all enemies drop, but a cap was also added to how many mesos could be obtained by grinding each day, which scales based on the character's level. To circumvent the cap, players can still use real money by exchanging NX (a paid currency) with Mesos on the auction house, so realistically the only thing that changed for whale players is extra steps. They also removed all forms of free cubes that killing bosses used to give as a reward, and removed Ursus (one of the best sources of daily mesos for new accounts) They also then implemented all of those changes to the Reboot as well, reducing the meso players make to 20% of what it used to be and doubling the price of their cubes (making cubing effectively 10x more expensive overall). The main reason people in GMS are concerned is that these changes massacre reboot even more than normal servers, and reboot has over 60% of the entire player base of GMS.

[@joelmendez9387]

They should turn it into a subscription and focus on fun factor

[@Sacrix]

With vac pets in reboot the player base is already sort of accustomed to a subscription fee. So as long as it's a reasonable amount it could work.

[@teaddict-]

Well spoken!

[@SmexiiWade]

Well said! I was playing HARD in Hyperion almost every day for a few hours each sesh. After hearing the cube drama and the kms changes I haven't been on at all and have no plans to return until they make some changes and show they care about their players.

[@maberuzakoo]

Why is your hp so low tho 😂

[@aydust4744]

decent buffs from pet auto buff use % max hp

[@iassay1030]

Thx for your two pennies

[@Sharingansandninja]

The cube revamp is obviously needed. Is the meso cap being implemented on reboot? If so, I don't see why as you can't even trade. However, I can see the reason in reg. If massive amounts of money are entering the system because of botters that's only going to push inflation. So capping it at a reasonable amount plus adding in systems that essentially burn money will be good for the economy. As someone who's played since 2006, MS players tend to always over react to this kind of crap. But if you look at it logically, it does make sense.

[@Red17Panda]

I don’t think inflation is a huge concern for the whales in the maple economy (that are happy with this change for some reason). Yes, inflation increases the prices in the auction house, but that just means the relative cost of fixed meso sinks like sf and now cubes represent less purchasing power. If you can sell an item for 1b now but only 500m after the changes (ignoring unchanged income), then an upper bound for the relative increase in cost of meso sinks is 100%. That means for every one tap before, you now get half a tap because meso is harder to earn while the price remains unchanged. Honestly I don’t believe nexon’s true reasoning has anything to do with botters or the economy. They’re just trying to create a problem so they can sell players the solution in a few months.

[@Aeterny]

There’s one major downside to removing cubes and making it a meso roll. They don’t have to reveal the probability rates, because it’s not an item that is being manipulated (to our detriment, anymore), look at any cubing session on KZbin and Twitch and you’ll notice how STR classes roll the most favorable INT stats when using cubes. That is extremely unusual when you think about how much time is spent enhancing equipment.

[@riccardotavano9713]

@@Aeterny Not sure it works like that, they probably still need to provide rates since you can do rolls with something you buy for cash. They wouldn't need to do so if we used stuff like a coin given with only dailies/bosses etc. Something that you have to farm and can't buy.

[@Aeterny]

@@riccardotavano9713 You’ll have to look it up to see that this is their motivation behind removing cubes. It’s genius on their part.. probably the only good idea the directors have ever had. -_-

[@pink-pt3eu]

Ta comendo coco sacrix, esse jogo aí tá precisando de um tapa mesmo