My 4 Worst Handguns for Self-Defense - Would You Bet Your Life on These Firearms!

Would you really use a handgun chambered in ".22 Short" for self-defense? I don't think I would. How about a 2-shot 9mm derringer that won't fire half of the time. Would you use a single shot pistol for protection?

[@lordvetinari6057]

Quoting Paul Harrell: the gun you have in your hand is the better one than the one at home.

[@majorsynthqed7374]

Even Paul might think you're better off throwing that Lorcin at someone instead of shooting it.

[@1248dl]

Rules of the Gunfight: 1. Have a gun

[@MrFurley69]

At least a gun that works. Not a ring of fire gun. That's more likely to get you shot than not pulling a gun.

[@xxxy9928]

1. Have a gun that work propper ;)

[@PsychoticBovine]

@@MrFurley69 not all the rof guns were horrid. AMT backup was considered a rof, and it was decent.

[@SelvarajD-rb1qz]

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[@mirrorblue100]

The Astra Cub looks like the kind of gun Barbara Stanwyck would pull on some guy in a 40s film noir.

[@Salieri47]

Raymond Chandler had a woman kill a large guy with a .25; I can't remember in which Phillip Marlowe novel it happened.

[@Bill-jv5eg]

Looks like a glue gun

[@gregb6469]

Looks like the sort of gun a lady would carry in a small purse.

[@mariofilippi3539]

@@Bill-jv5eg LOL!

[@Thecompanioncrate]

That Astra is downright luxurious compared to everything else in the video.

[@juri_xiii9977]

Good pistols.

[@SparkyTom1]

I've had a few zinc "ring of fire guns" in .380. The slide is prone to cracking. I used to buy them for about $10 each at police confiscation auctions from one agency and resell them for $100 to the police buy back programs at another agency. LOL!

[@99somerville]

I wonder if you can still buy guns at police confiscation auctions? I never heard of them near me. I would think they get destroyed nowadays.

[@bwofficial1776]

@@99somerville Depends on the area. The departments that do sell their guns will sell them to a dealer so they're not selling guns without a background check.

[@SparkyTom1]

@@bwofficial1776 Yeah, I should have added this was 30 years ago when anyone could get an FFL. And I was buying cheap guns in lots of 10. I picked up a few NAA mini-derringers that were thrown in with the cheap guns so I bought those NAA mini-derringers also for about $10 each. People would look at me weird for buying up all the junk guns but for me it was like an infinite money glitch. The ones not sold back to the police were sold back to gun stores also at a large markup.

[@Salieri47]

Taking pride in stealing from law enforcement agencies, how nice.

[@PsychoticBovine]

As far as .22 short is concerned, I tell our students in the home firearms safety class, "it beats a rock or pointy stick."

[@mixup98]

👍😎

[@keithmoore5306]

as long as you understand the ammo what it can do and what it can't and where it has to go it'll do you fine that being said i'd take 22 short over 25 ACP period!!

[@annpuvicerpu7171]

@@keithmoore5306 Hello! I'm fascinated by your view. No judgment, I'm just curious. Theoretically: a .25 acp has the advantage of a heavier bullet (50 g vs 29 g), faster delivery (900 fps vs 730 fps), and being center fire, more reliable. Those are just numbers on paper of course. So what causes you to side with .22 short vs .25 acp? Thanks!

[@zipper396]

@@annpuvicerpu7171 Also interested in his view.I have that same cub in .25acp plus a few Beretta tip up barrel .25s that function flawlessly. I do pocket carry my Beretta model 20 with >25 acp federal punch in it and feel it would do some damage while stopping someone if you drilled 9 rounds on target.45gr flatnose @825fps.

[@annpuvicerpu7171]

@@zipper396Mine's just the HP Phoenix. Wish I had a classier model, but it is accurate and I've had no cycling issues. As far as SD is concerned, a Ruger LCP isn't much bigger! But I like the little guys.

[@bluescatreimer]

The Astra is the only dependable pistol out the bunch, 1100 fps for 22 short is great! Good video, thanks for posting.

[@twentyfifthdui4717]

Your Bearman deringer is FAR better than the Cobra Arms deringer I once had. It only fired 3 or 4 times. Normally a team of horses could not pull the trigger. I would put both index fingers on the trigger and still couldn't pull it, and at the time I could bench press 250. But sometimes, rarely, you'd barely touch the trigger and it would fire unexpectedly. Very dangerous. I decided if I was ever attacked I just would throw the Cobra at the attacker to distract them and give me time to run away.

[@henryturnerjr3857]

I had a Davis .22 mag you could fire about 4 times and then it would stop until you retightened the firing pins.

[@billpark8988]

I have a Davis Derringer in .32 Auto. Even if you overcome the trigger pull you literally can't hit the target at poker table distance.

[@audiehollon4292]

You are right on about the Cobra.

[@beesod6412]

@@henryturnerjr3857 That's just awful!😂

[@gedocowboy8484]

I have a Cobra in 38 and after mastering the trigger and fabricating one of the firing pins it’s really reliable, save for the safety losing a bearing and now has to be manipulated strangely.

[@furmanmackey5479]

Excuse me while I deploy this here sharp stick! On personal and professional notes: Way back in the 1970s I owned and carried (sometimes) a Llama chambered in .380ACP that was often compared, by size NOT quality, to the old Colt's "Pony" and allegedly had a degree of parts interchangeability with the Colt's. The Llama was an accurate, very concealable little pistol but it had a hair trigger on it for sure. Making it just a wee bit dangerous to carry even as backup to a real gun! The Raven was a frequent find at shootings back then, "jammed up jelly tight", in or very near the rapidly cooling hand of the deceased. Years later, toward the end of my tour of service in the Army, I saw outdoor signs at pawn and gun stores in Texas advertising them for "Four For $75.00" and even "Four For $50.00".

[@richb.4374]

I had a mint condition LLama pistol chambered in .380 around 30 years ago. It was actually a nice pistol, good quality and very reliable. I should have kept it, it was a nice little shooter and very reliable, even with hollow points.

[@furmanmackey5479]

@@richb.4374 Mine was accurate, would feed, fire, and eject any .380ACP ammo/bullet type I fed it. I too miss my little Llama but that hair trigger thing bothered me a lot. Having been raised up with firearms of all kinds and brands I felt that trigger was dangerous for carry purposes. It was just shy of being a "look at it and it will go off" kind of trigger. As a young, freshly minted LEO I was not willing to trust it as either a backup to my issue M10 S&W .38Spl or for off duty carry. I felt duty bound to replace it with a revolver and I did.

[@carebear8762]

Just like Colt licensed the Astra Cub for the Colt Junior, they licensed the Llama .380 design for the Government .380 and Mustang family. IIRC

[@RT-gq3bh]

That’s when the gun store was going to declare bankruptcy after they sold them.

[@henryturnerjr3857]

They used to say the centerfire Lorcins would only last through one box of ammunition. Now with 20 round boxes they'll last twice as long!

[@bigjim8872]

🤣

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

😂😂

[@JG-xt9io]

I bought a raven arms p25 last year at a show , theyy said it wouldn't fire . Got it cheap, noticed when I was looking at it , they had the firing pin/loaded chamber indicator in backwards and it couldn't load a round from the magazine. Swaped it around and has been fine . Nice different video , thanks for taking us with you

[@derekbootle8316]

27 grains at 1000 ft/sec is lethal at short range. Might not be enough for coastal grizzly, but enough to stop a human.

[@richb.4374]

The Astra is a perfect "Get off me" gun. It may not be the ideal caliber, but I doubt anyone would volunteer to stand in front of it.

[@stanpotter7764]

That little bullet is going nowhere near 1000 fps out of that little pistol, although it certainly can still be lethal.

[@melissasmess2773]

.22 Short was tested by the military, it developed 68 lb/ft of energy, just enough to enter a human skull 💀

[@newguy2794]

I call them "bad breath guns". If you can't smell their bad breath, you'll probably miss the target. 🤪

[@stanpotter7764]

@melissasmess2773 That's out of a rifle though.

[@kbjerke]

I had no idea that a turd could be chrome plated, but Lorcin proved me wrong!! Thanks for the video, Mixup! 😄

[@mixup98]

You are very welcome and thank you for making me laugh 😁

[@MichaelPoage666]

It's amazing how they can (I assume) nickel plate a gun, but somehow still make it look like cheap plastic.

[@robertbullcarmichael9856]

Now that is funny. I don't care who you are.

[@donwyoming1936]

I can see what you like about that Astra Cub. It works like a champ.

[@matthewmcallister8546]

Does anyone know that Astra produced the Colt Junior .25acp for Colt prior to the 1968 ban. They also made an Astra version, same gun as well. Thats why I keep a wood pile in my basement!

[@alanrogs3990]

The Astra Cub was such a nicely made gun that Colt asked if they could make some for them and call it the Junior.

[@l.peytonadams8570]

A very interesting topic well made. One thing I like about Bond derringers is high quality construction and I trust it to fire when I want it to fire.

[@johnkelley6278]

I carry the Bond 357 with me even when I am mowing the grass. Good Quality derringer!

[@tylermorrison7051]

A few years ago, I had one of the Roughneck .357's. I can't remember if there were any light primer strikes, but the gun had a broken torsion spring and a hammer issue. Bond Arms' customer service was excellent. After two problems, they offered me a refund or a new Roughneck.

[@tetonnate1993]

@@tylermorrison7051I had an issue with my snake slayer when I first got it like 10 years ago. Completely unusable. I agree with the customer service- they made it right pretty quickly

[@th.burggraf7814]

The Lorcin... 😒 If (God forbid) I ever got into a gunfight, I'd want my opponent to be carrying this gun.

[@RaymondEldridge-lm8dk]

Haha you’re a fool no one wants to be shot no matter what the caliber 😂

[@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK]

As someone who owns one I agree, worst gun I’ve ever owned, I wish I could get something for it

[@th.burggraf7814]

@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK lol 😅👍🏻

[@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK]

@@th.burggraf7814 the one good thing about it is that it’s heavy so it could make a decent throwing weapon

[@th.burggraf7814]

@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK 😅 I appreciate a good chuckle in the morning. 👍🏻

[@garymatney9344]

Mixup great video! That Astra .22 short in your hands would be lethal!

[@rquest3059]

A stove pipe in the Lorcin is exactly what you want to see in a gun fight...for the other guy. I would love to have an Astra 22 short for a pocket gun.

[@NyfLyf73]

Enjoyed the video. 2 junkers, 2 pretty cool guns. Really liked the little astra.

[@tomhandel9176]

That Astra was the best of the bunch by far. Atleast it fired every time, even if it is only 22 short. I'm not hiking on it, I have a Beretta Minx in 22 short only and it works every time too. Like you said I wouldn't want to be in front of either.

[@tcup3946]

At close range that little Astra would put an attacker out of business

[@Sora2529]

Doubt it.

[@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK]

@@Sora2529it would as long as they’re not wearing a heavy winter jacket

[@Boneless_Chuck]

"Altor" sounds like a Star Trek villain in a sparkly robe

[@sulaco2122]

More like Forbidden Planet with Robby the robot.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

funny, it looks like something out of Star Trek too!

[@Courier-Six]

To this day, I do not understand the hate Astra gets for their pistols. I've shot a Constable, own an A-75 in 9MM, and have a few friends that own their old surplus pistols. Everyone I know that had owned an Astra pistol all say the same thing, that they are reliable and tough. I really do think the few rotten apples that came from old world spanish gun making just kind of ruined it for the whole bunch that are actually good pistols

[@matthewmcallister8546]

I've found that those who hate Astra's, Llama's, and Star's are the ones who don't have them.

[@matthewmcallister8546]

I've got an Astra Cub in .22short. Sometimes I carry it for the "dessert". The "appetizer" is a Glock 33 in a shoulder holster and the "main" is a PM40 in my side pocket. That's summer, winter I carry anyting and everything. I live where one can wear a leather jacket comfortably and without suspicion 10 or more months out of the year!

[@zipper396]

@@matthewmcallister8546 I found a sweet 1967 astra cub in 25 acp that is still like new,very good quality firearm but wont carry it over my beretta 950b or model 20 because it does not have an inertial type firing pin like the berettas do.

[@Marcel_Germann]

@@matthewmcallister8546 Or they had the mentioned rotten apples, like the Astra 600. A 9mm Parabellum simple blowback. Nicknamed the "lamp killer" by German police officers. When disassembling the gun, and removing the barrel bushing, and it slipped out of your hand, the bushing was flying away extremely fast. Usually in the direction of the ceiling. That was due to the strong recoil spring necessary for the simple blowback. Also extremely hard to rack the slide. Or the Astra 400, same thing but in 9mm Largo. And that caliber is on the same level as 9mm Parabellum.

[@thearousedeunuch]

The Derringer looks as if it's a better throwable weapon than an actual firearm.

[@MikecWilliams-kn7qu]

The altor is like the WWII Liberty.45. used for to retrieve the other person firearm like the France underground did

[@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike]

I contacted Altor and suggested that they redesign the grip so that it could store extra cartridges, like the .45 acp Liborator. They didn't like my suggestion......Oh well.

[@robertpatter5509]

Look at my cordless drill *bang* I lied

[@lanedexter6303]

I used to have an Astra Cub 2000, from my patents. Original grips fractured, so Dad made yellow cedar grips. Other than being 22 short … well, it did work fine. Mouse guns are fun.

[@beesod6412]

the Lorcin is an absolute death trap (for the shooter), The Bearman derringers have always been junk IMO, sorry you have an expensive paperweight. The Cub is absolutely awesome! I would absolutely love to that that with me hiking for some backwoods plinking. Thank you so much for always having some of the best guntuber content on YT. Cheers!

[@mixup98]

Thank you beesod6412....I really appreciate the nice compliment. Cheers!

[@PassivePortfolios]

That Astra is a gem, a copy of the Baby Browning. Excellent, all steel quality and craftsmanship. Most were chambered in 25 ACP, which is a better defensive caliber than the 22 Short. The derringer and the Lorchin are best used for those gun buybacks where they give you $100 when you turn in a gun. Thanks for another interesting video.

[@tjport1980]

Astra made some great guns. My favorite handgun I own is my Astra Terminator 44 magnum. I’ve had it since the mid 80,s and have put thousands of rounds through it. Very accurate and as nice as any S&W I’ve owned.

[@mixup98]

My first centerfire revolver, which I bought around 1978, was an Astra .357 and I loved that gun. I eventually traded it for a Winchester lever action rifle. Bad trade. The Astra was a much better firearm.

[@67BAMO]

The Lorcin would be good if you ran out of rocks. You could throw the Lorcin.

[@michaelstorm8578]

Using it that way is reliable.

[@NWAAdventures]

The Altor with 9mm shotshells works pretty good for snakes. That's why I bought one. Good cheap tractor gun.

[@crankygunreviews]

I have a Beretta 21A in 22 short and as long as I carry CCI in it, it’s reliable and fast moving projectiles, despite being small, will still scare off a lot of bad guys.

[@michaelstorm8578]

That was a fun video. Most of us have tried some poor firearms. The Astra is a keeper for sure.

[@synystur21]

Man, you’re making me really miss my Astra Cub .22s. Sold it 25 years ago. Paid $150, sold it for $200. Regret.

[@mixup98]

I know the feeling. Many years ago I had a Colt Junior .25 Auto (made by Astra) and I traded it for a .22 pistol. I still slap myself every time I think about that trade.

[@patrickshannon4854]

The Astra would make a nice little kit gun. If it was a slow day fishing, you could at least shoot up some soda cans. The pistol & a 100ct box of cci's would make a great addition to a small EDC pack.

[@andrettski8686]

That Astra Cub getting me thinking of shooting my Bobcat today. Sorry, those other 3 just make me cringe.

[@elsullo2]

I had a 1980's Beretta Bobcat .22 that was TOTALLY reliable and accurate, even with hollowpoints. The tiny sights were actually useful! Alas, I sold it for rent.......................elsullo

[@randymartin5521]

Probably lucky to be pushing 800fps out of that Astra, that's about 38 ft/lbs energy with the 27 grain bullet, not much but probably enough to put the lights out with a well placed shot, especially 6 or 7 shots. Definitely an arms length last resort type of gun, though I reckon any gun should be a last resort option anyway.

[@VityazRD]

My father used to own a Lorcin .380 and he gave it to me as my first pistol. Worked great as long as you tea-cupped the magazine to stop it from falling out. Dad never noticed it was an issue because that's how he always shot.

[@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK]

How did you get the trigger to work? I have a lorcin .380 and my biggest issue is the unreliable trigger

[@dangunn6961]

Great video. Many years ago I bought a Sterling 22lr Stainless auto. It would go off twice with one trigger pull then jam. I traded it on a new Ruger MK2. I have a Davis 22 magnum over and under derringer. It is junk. I have a very reliable North American Arms, 22 magnum mini revolver that I like a lot. Keep on plinking.

[@johnkelley6278]

What a big difference in the 22 sizes . I never had a 22 short so this was the first time I have seen the comparison. Love the honest reviews.

[@michaeldunn7716]

This really brings back memories! At one point, my dad even had two of these Astra modles when i was a boy. It was a frequent companion on many pond and creek fishing trips we went on. I saw him take quite a few Jack rabbits as a boy. We would use a jackrabbit when fishing for catfish/bullhead . Cottontails were not as productive since they had much milder meat. Back then, we had jackrabbits seemingly behind every stone fencepost! 😊 ( kansas farmers quarried limestone rock and cut it into fenceposts do to lack of wood ) Dad loved pocket pistols, baby brownings, colts, mausers, Smith, and this astra cub. Plus, many others. Sure like to have a portion of those now! The astra shot well and was reliable.

[@cpnolto]

Man, even my worst gun is still way better than almost all of those. I do like your six shot mouse pistol - the one that actually works. I'd buy that one myself.

[@SteveL1100]

The Altor reminds me of the Vietnam era "deer " pistol in 9mm. An updated Liberator

[@mariofilippi3539]

A nice review of some small off-the-wall handguns. That one-shot 9mm is really unique. I agree that the .22 short semi-auto would be neat concealed carry. Thanks for the video.

[@mixup98]

You are very welcome and thank you for watching my video.

[@wilhelmvonn9619]

"Unique" for all the wrong reasons.

[@frankhinkle5772]

Did I mention that I enjoy your videos? Thanks for taking us out shooting and for the comentary.

[@LYLEWOLD]

That Altor would be cool if you could thread the end of the barrel, add a silencer to it, play Bond villain. ;-)

[@mixup98]

I'm surprised the Altor hasn't shown up in a James Bond or Mission Impossible film. 👍😎

[@user-oj3eo4xv7m]

I like the Astra cub,but the rest, I would take to the nearest gun buy back program.

[@jayhogan1166]

A close-up of the lizard showed that he was laughing his ass off

[@jamesshackelford6721]

I’ve seen pellet and BB guns along with slingshots out perform that bear man the lorcin plus that single shot 9mm . That cub 22 is the only one worth having for any reason in my opinion.

[@ericlee7665]

Good morning Sir, Really fun video here with your worst defense handguns. That weird little break apart 9mm single would be fun to play with, but yeah....in a defense scenario, I might opt to just throw it instead of trying to get a round off with it. lolol Your little Astra Cub is pretty cool, and yeah...I wouldn't want that little toy popping me either. So good to see you today and stay blessed!!

[@wamps3370]

That Astra Cub is a nice little pistol indeed. I'd love to have one myself...

[@brianwilke592]

I got an Astra Cub. I carry it in low threat conditions, where concealment is also handy, so as not to freak out all the gun grabbers among us. You can conceal this easily, no bulge or anything with just a t-shirt and shorts. I did some tests on mine and found the CCI Copper Plated Round Nose .22 short will go all the way through a 2 x 4 consistently. A .22 short will work in a pinch.

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

Just as I opened this amazing video, I immediately pressed the '👍' button. Having been your loyal subber / follower for quite some time, I'm pretty sure now, every video from mr. Mixup is even better than the previous one. Even much better when your (also..) sharp shooting son is involved. All respect due, just a couple notes: *Astra firearms (Cub + others..) are usually well built, accurate pistols. As far as I can remember, Colt licensed Astra to manufacture their reliable 'Junior' pistol in .25 acp until 1.968 (?). We usually disregard the 'puny' .22 short as totally usesless. Well, according to my experience, (ER/ ICU ex- Military MD here..) it's far from 'harmless'. I've seen over a dozen deceased (Code 11.44) from the 'puny' .22 short wounds. *Regarding the Lorcin, (As well as Raven, Jennings, Brico, etc..) I'd try hard looking for a good pre- owned baseball bat for a trade. Baseball bats are lifelong & 100% reliable as defensive tools. They can also be used to play baseball in your very nice place!!. So many thanks & Blessings for another great video!!.. 😊🇺🇲💪🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@mixup98]

Good morning my friend. First, I want to thank you for being a six year subscriber to my channel. Second, my son works full time and can't always be in my videos (I'm retired) but I'm hoping he will be in my next video. You're right, Astra did make the Colt Junior. I had the Colt .25 ACP version back in the '80s but being a dumbass I eventually traded it for a .22 pistol and a knife! And yes, a baseball bat would be much better than the Lorcin pistol. 👍😎

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

@Mixup98 : Thank you kindly for your prompt & generous response. Also, many thanks for the wide range of gorgeous 'tools' you allow us your followers to enjoy thru your outstanding channel, teaching us how a responsible & honest citizen must follow the shooting etiquette. All respect due, I'd never think of you as a retired person, since you look TOO young + full of life to be retired!!. My very best regards to you & your lovely family!!.🏆 😊🇺🇲💪🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@mixup98]

@@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476 Thank you for the compliment about me looking "TOO young" 👍😎 My son and I are planning on shooting a new video tomorrow on my new double barrel shotgun and it should be posted this weekend. Thanks again and the very best to you and yours.

[@leedoss6905]

Soon a 6 pack of beer will be more expensive than some of these guns.

[@johnjackson7464]

THE Astra is Not USELESS. that is, it pokes holes and in the right location and would give a severe headache.

[@daviddemis3487]

The lizard never even flinched when you fired the derringer ! Mr. Lizard you are a certified Bad Ass. All jokes aside the Astra Cub would make a great backup weapon or deep concealed carry. All the other guns on this list are just for show at the range. Thanks for the video Mixup98 always a pleasure.

[@masudashizue777]

You have me sold on the cub. Reiability is utmost in a gun.

[@stephenkidder8876]

I have an original Raven "ring of fire" MP-25 in .25acp, and it shoots perfectly so long as you don't let your hands or fingers make contact with the slide. As a certified gun nut I appreciate the cheapsters too, if and only if they work. Love that little Astra you have there! I once had a Beretta jet fire in .22 short. Sweet little tool! Great video as always brother 👍

[@mixup98]

Hey, I'm also a certified gun nut 😁 I'm hoping to find a decent Raven someday in a pawn shop at a reasonable price, buy it, and do a review on it. Finding a Beretta Jetfire would also be pretty cool.

[@LordKhyron85]

"That's what you wanna see in a gunfight." From my opponent's gun, yes.

[@mixup98]

👍😁👌

[@joegilbert7661]

my local gun store has a list of firearms they refuse to work on. Lorcin and Jimenez are both on the list. Now I know why.

[@johnunderwood-hp8rj]

I like the Astra. It might not have a lot of stopping power but it does damage when fired multiple times. You might have to put two magazines into somebody to stop them but boy are they going to hurt from the first one.

[@franks.2544]

The Astra is just meant to soften up your opponent before the fist fight.

[@Miohunter444]

That Astra Cub is a cool little gun. I'm gonna have to find me one.

[@matthewmcallister8546]

They are all over GB however they are not cheap anymore.

[@carebear8762]

Oof. A stovepiped .22 rimfire could be all kinds of bad if the rim takes a hard enough pinch. I'd never thought of that.

[@SHOT_GUNNER]

That Astra Cub is a classy pistol. Very lethal too 😊

[@marcomarcon5802]

The Astra Cub's lack of recoil and reliability makes it much more effective than the other junk. Target placement is more important than calibre, especially at short range, which is where self-defence takes place

[@poindexter1387]

I love that little cub. I think that little guy is cool. Thank you for sharing.

[@mixup98]

Thanks for watching!

[@libra7624]

22 short will go into your sternum and into the heart, sometimes even less then 30 ft/lbs from a 22 bullet, we have to go by facts not feelings, even though not the best choice statistically in a private citizen context they work if shown or just 1 shot fired, almost all private citizen gun fights only lasts 3 to 6 seconds, with in 5 yards and bad guys running, most incidences incapacitation wasn't even needed or a physical stopping of a threat, the stopping was a mental stop where bad guy runs because a private citizen was willing to show the gun or even firing just a single shot, just like a flat tire your under size spare tire will get the job done and get you home same with these if reasonably reliable, that single shot gun be it may be hard to believe statistically you would probably survive, remember shot placement is key, malfunction do a tap and rack not looking at gun but get it back into battery, the key also is making your first shot count,, heart and head, never exclude head shots but be aware of whats behind the target, most Saturday night specials killed with just 1 single head shot in their street history documentation by forensics so don't under estimate small calibers and crappy guns, they still kill

[@tomcat2395]

I do love rubbish gun videos though and these 4 are awesomely crap. The spirit of the Saturday night special lives on

[@zzygyy]

They are really cool little guns. Highly collectible for fun.

[@killerkraut9179]

I think the 22 short was maybe not that bad!

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

@tomcat : Actually the Astra in .25 ACP, branded as 'Colt Junior' (Licensed by Colt before 1.968) is becoming collectible, specially if it's mint condition + original box. The Lorcin/ Raven + the Bear 'derringer' are pot metal crap. The single shot 9mm, well, it's what it is.

[@We_On_Vacation]

the Lorcin needs to be at the bottom of Lake Mead

[@mixup98]

I have thought of throwing this turd into Lake Mead but I will keep it only so I can show my viewers why they shouldn't buy one.

[@SteveL1100]

The original Raven was the best of the Ring of Fire guns. They did work.

[@theoriginalOSOK]

Mixup! Another interesting vid thanks! If those were my only choices I'd have to go with the mouse gun that is reliable. So the Astra for the win!

[@frankbrowning328]

The Astra (the Colt was the same) was a great little pistol. However, even though nobody wants to get shot, a 22 Short is the very bottom of the cartridge food chain. The 25 is better as it is a centefire and has a little more energy with its heavier bullet. 22 Short out of this tiny barrel gets the velocity down to close to the same as the 25. However, out of the guns in this test if I had to choose one it would be this one. The Bearman derringer I wouldn't like either due to quality and just 2 single action shots. I don't know why anyone would buy the Altor. A single shot that you pull the trigger and then let the trigger go to fire does not inspire confidence + it's just 1 round. We've seen the Lorcin act as a jammomatic so that ones out of the running.

[@Mikelp73]

I have a raven 25acp. Paid like $20 for it like 20 years ago. Been in the safe with a broken firing pin. Fixed it this year with a new stainless firing pin. I think I paid more for it and the gun. It’s so cheaply made I questioned myself even fixing it. But she’s cleaned and back in the safe. I’ve never fired it. Just sitting there with a box of ammo. Just in case.

[@AndyM-ku5dp]

TheAltor is perfect for ammo shortage, or when your buddies want to use all your ammo. You can give it to them and a 50-round box

[@Andrew-sv6zq]

As always, your reviews are fun and informative. I have an Astra Cub that I bought many years ago in a pawn shop. Paid around $100. It's in mint condition. No box or paper work though. Astra's were always really good quality guns. Too bad those and Star pistols are no longer manufactured. The Lorcin and the Bearman, I would drop those off at the pawn shop and put them toward a trade.

[@elsullo2]

I have two EXCELLENT Star 9mm pistols that I will never sell. One is the "UltraStar" a polymer framed pistol that was marketed BEFORE the Glock. They favored rigidity more than capacity so it is a 9+1 and so it did not sell well in America, and Star soon went under because the balance of trade world market made European guns too expensive...........................elsullo

[@checkityhold]

I like that one malfunction with the Lorcin where the bullet jams and sticks straight up out of the port. It's basically giving you the finger 😅

[@robertlawson698]

That Lorcin is more dangerous to the person TRYING to shoot it, than the person it's pointed at!

[@jackdee1380]

Used to shoot a lot when stationed in Arizona but not now...overseas...love watching your shows!

[@kennethhowell1272]

Had a friend that years ago owned a Astra Cub. It was a great little plinker, but limited by the cartridge (we didn’t have CCI Stinger shorts back then). As for the Lorcin and the Bearman, there lethality comes through tying a good heavy shoelace to the trigger guard and hit your assailant with it.

[@richb.4374]

The Lorcin reminds of of the old Raven arms .25 auto pistols. Also junk guns but they usually did function okay. Just terrible build quality. A friend of mine bought one many years ago brand new for around $60. It was the epitome of a "Saturday Night Special" .

[@jimbob3030]

I've had one since the 90's. Terrible build quality is right, but it's always worked and still does. I must have overpaid, I think I paid $75.

[@mkshffr4936]

I have an old Davis derringer in .38spl. not a great gun nor very accurate but I have never had it fail to fire. I plan to do some careful patterning of each barrel separately to see what the potential is. Got some HBWCs to give the shallow rifling its best shot. As to the 22 short I have seen some loads do surprisingly well in gel. Lots of interesting tests on YT.

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Really like that astra, really enjoyed, thanks

[@andrewkalbfleisch1952]

That little 22 short is pretty sweet. Thanks for sharing

[@mixup98]

You are very welcome and thanks for watching my videos.

[@Nick_B_Bad]

Besides collecting Axis Pistols I love collecting pre-1946 .25’s as well.

[@JerryEricsson]

I carried an Astra A-100 in .45 ACP for several years, never felt unarmed, and when I took her to the range to qualify she never let me down, I always came in number 1 or 2 on the range for the day.

[@mixup98]

I picked up an Astra A-75 .45 ACP several years ago at a gun shop and it's actually one of my favorite .45 pistols. Here is the review I did on my Astra .45: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5LLiXmId6Z5mJY

[@patrickcreath217]

A 22short for self defense is absurd. I would buy that Astra Cub to plink in my backyard though.

[@bwofficial1776]

Astras are good guns. Altors were probably an experiment in how simple a gun can be, not really designed to be used for anything beyond plinking. But a gun that goes bang is better than no gun and not every gun needs to be a self-defense gun. Self-defense shouldn't have a price cap. Even cheap guns are good now. Shows how far engineering has come.

[@8626John]

A couple of real stinkers. I might pick a big, sharp knife over all but the Astra. At the kind of ranges those things are meant for, a knife might be quicker and more reliable. Thanks for sharing your collection with us.

[@Broken_Broom99]

"That's what we wanna see in a gun fight" 🤣

[@drew55974]

Another informative video like always. This video comes to show that as gun collectors not every gun has to be a Carry gun.

[@stonefree1911]

Hey Mix! I LOVE those little guns like the Cub, but it needs to be in .25 to be even moderate in effectiveness. I used to have a Beretta jetfire in .25 and it was very reliable and accurate. It WAS a .25 so....effective? Meh, but easy to carry. I'd like to find another small 25. But with 380's of the same size (ish), not really relevant anymore. But still cool. That Cub is nice. (I am forgiving the lack of beam in on this vid......)

[@94twentytwo76]

That Astra is awesome 💯 …. Great video

[@mixup98]

Thanks 👍

[@94twentytwo76]

@@mixup98 You’re welcome

[@jasoncarpenter4116]

I had a Lorcin when I was younger and it did okay if I kept it fairly lubed and shot the hotter 22 ammo through it. The biggest issue that I had with mine was the magazine base plate being ejected practically turning it into a paperweight.

[@TheresOnlyOneWayToRock]

Had a Lorcin .380 years ago. It wasn't too bad, at least not as bad as that one. As I remember it did have a feed ramp tooled in. Sold it to a cop that wanted a smaller secondary.

[@franzputsch254]

I adore pocket pistols! I like to buy them cheap just to try to get them to work.

[@mixup98]

I also like the old pocket pistols and I have a few more than didn't make it into this video. Maybe next time 👍😎

[@tetonnate1993]

I have an old cobra derringer in .38- never had an issue with it. Fires every time .I had to send back my bond arms snake slayer 4 in the first week lol. They made it right for what it’s worth. The headspacing or something was off

[@chrismayo4902]

Wish they still made those little cub’ reliable little pocket rocket

[@811brian]

I had a Bond arms derringer that had problems with light primer strikes as well. Something about those hammers just doesn’t ever seem to wanna work right.