My accidentally purchased counterfeit strider

[@Biblicalgiants]

Mike I'm scared and I need help. I have a vintage 2002 Microtech Ultratech and all the screw holes were stripped out by the previous owner. Do helicoil screw kits come in 1/64" machine screw sizes? Thanks man.

[@CrazySharp]

I believe they do

[@Toyotas_n__Tools]

I like your thoughts on WHY? a person would want a fake or a clone... Like you mentioned you will put it into a emergency kit, another thing is people may want to buy something to see how they work and fit in hand before they spend the big money on one, but stealing the branding is bad and wrong.

[@nightwalker2830]

I don't mind clones as long as they don't say it the maker knife or have the maker logo on it I don't think that right there alot of knives I love but can't afford it but I buy it cause it an clone like it

[@chocloditelensman]

Well the sharpness is due to the thinner hollow ground. All geometrics. A real strider is more of a utility blade. The real question is how much you spent on it ...

[@Voodicus]

iv'e got quite a few fakes. some are easy to tell like my etched triple 7. some are extremely hard to tell, the benchmade 940, sebenza 25 and brad southward spyderco are damn near impossible to tell. but my collection is for me, for my own personal enjoyment and have no problem telling people they are fake. I will never save the money for a real on, not 1k plus that is. so I enjoy whats in my case, fake or real. but my experience in the knife world is different from most other people, plus I have a couple theories on some of these fakes, legitimate theories.

[@drstevenbrule4406]

I have some clones. They are great knives for the money. I wish they didnt have the logos of the knives they are portraying, but i cant afford the real ones. I would never tell someone that its a real one, so I dont mind buying them. I need a good hard use knife for cheap

[@jeffcon123]

Man come on your not gonna throw it away. It's for people who want awesome blades but can't afford the ridiculous price. Truth is some of those clones out perform the customs lol it's just hard to admit

[@CrazySharp]

+jeffcon123 no ... they're not ... this wasn't a clone it is a straight up counterfeit... and I took it apart and did exactly what you said I wouldn't do ... I threw it away...there's no excuse for making a product and marking it with a successful brand's mark and to top it off it's illegal as hell

[@MayerAudax]

Mick Strider called himself a veteran, so yeah...

[@DarkBluePaperHats]

Mick is a Vet lmfao...

[@CrazySharp]

If you believe the claims that MAC made about his special forces training and things like that and truly look into it and look up the open source documents that are in matters of public record... There is no special operations group that would’ve taken that junior of a member with that little training and had them doing black ops. It just doesn’t happen. Is he a veteran… Absolutely, did he do what he said he did… Absolutely not

[@jb678901]

By the way...does Stolen Valor qualify in your definition of honor code? Would you call somebody out on the street, take of picture of them and post it in your video, if they were stealing "Valor" by oh, let's say falsifying a DD214, or making false public claims about their military service, etc? What if their trademark were built on a lie. The very brand image derived from a fraud? It's a hypothetical question...from someone who did serve.

[@CrazySharp]

+JB6789 yes I would

[@jb678901]

10:34. Really? I guess you said it best...you really don't care unless its a knife issue.

[@CrazySharp]

JB6789 what are you talking about... I called out his false service allegations... but it is still that, I have no proof that he falsified his service ... and if you're trying to justify what these straight up thieves are doing then you need to stop even putting this up because I won't even entertain responding... I'm only responsible for what I say not what you hear

[@CrazySharp]

JB6789 and for the record when you're saying a hypothetical from someone that did serve… Are you implicating that I did not because I spent my entire adult life in the military from the age of 17 till I retired ...

[@jb678901]

The real question is if there is an IP infringement or not. Knives are utility devices and most of the IP that is patent related has long since become PUBLIC domain for most of the popular designs on the market. Patenting requires novelty...for a knife this is already a high barrier to prove to a patent clerk. Design patents...very difficult to get and/or assert given all of the prior art out there AND the fact that these are utility devices. Trade dress...again...very difficult. TRADEMARK is the one area where there are clear cut infringements, IF the trademark exists in the place of manufacture or sale. Good luck asserting this in places where the approved market for sale is not a place where the trademark has been appropriately registered and/or cannot be proven as a recognized trademark in that market. Good luck in controlling third party sales (e.g. eBay) beyond control of the manufacturer. At the end of the day, many people who were buying name brands can get a very high quality (in terms of fit/finish/materials) knife from a China these days...at 1/10 the price. Who cares about life time warranties at these values...STRIDER just closed its shop! Sure, their after sales service is still around...but nothing is guaranteed forever. If you buy a high quality off-brand of the same or similar design...at 1/10 the price...logic would suggest many consumers will do this. If the product fails after a few years of heavy use...buy another. Of course, I still have a big problem with trademark infringement...but there are plenty of great choices and Chinese branded value products that do not do this illicit activity (e.g. CH knives). The real truth is that many US companies went to China on labor arbitrage, transferred their technology (CNC equipment), know how, and raw material supply chains in the process. Now that the cat is out of the bag, they are crying. Well, that is capitalism...cannot blame somebody else for playing the same game...better. Their short-term profits have clearly sacrificed their long-term viability. IMO.

[@CrazySharp]

JB6789 … Strider knives did not completely go away that name for the company did because Duane Dwyer left and so they just dissolve the company due to personal differences between Mick and Duane... all the knives that you saw under the strider brand Will be under the MSC label so strider knives technically is still around… As far as infringement if you own a company that has a makers Mark and someone else uses it I can't think of any other definition of infringement that would be like me building a car and calling it a vw

[@jb678901]

Agreed, as I previously stated, that would be a trademark infringement. USA, Canada...recognize common law trademark rights. Most countries, however, require formal registration to enforce such assertions.

[@igoryurkin9038]

JB6789 I’m

[@krumbers]

Man I agree with everything you said!!! It's wrong to use someone else's maker mark! And the quality of the fakes are increasingly impressive, why not just manufacture a new knife design??

[@jb678901]

..and they are. Plenty are using their own trademarks, or not branding at all.