🇬🇷 MY Bills and Cost of Living in Greece. Owning a Home and Living Retired in Greece

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Greece Explored 🇬🇷

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@tpop3723
@tpop3723 2 ай бұрын
A lot of useful clear and transparent information without the shenanigans like some other KZbinrs from there . Greece needs more people like you. Thanks and earned a sub.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Much appreciated and thank you!! I hope I don't disappoint.
@billiosi7448
@billiosi7448 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, from 1 to 10 I will rate it 11 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Since I am thinking to make the big move but I was always worried about doctors and services in the hospitals. I really appreciate for the details and the way you described the different items in your list.
@DaveBoothroyd-ej5in
@DaveBoothroyd-ej5in 28 күн бұрын
Very fluently delivered! And comprehensive.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 28 күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@dhab146
@dhab146 2 ай бұрын
Excellent description, well spoken. Greece is a magical country, I loved the people and FOOD!!
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I agree, the culture and food here is fantastic.
@kennethausten
@kennethausten Ай бұрын
Brave to move from your own country. I certainly would be terrified. Now retired and I moved to South Wales a few years before retiring. Had some problems as my Private pension collapsed and lost most of it. Well the move went ahead and was the best decision ever made. 20 years on ,I am even more glad i moved to Wales after visiting family back in Kent where it is Hell. Traffic has quadrupled and thousands of New houses being built. Was pleased to get back to Wales and that was stop start all the way with excess traffic. Thanks for all the info in Greece. Sounds as if you did the right thing.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
@@kennethausten it kind of happened organically for us to be honest, so perhaps we just evolved into it, working overseas for many years first and then having to move back to Europe we had 2 choices, UK where I am from, or Greece where the wife grew up, so just sort of happened really. I know what you mean though. One of my little pleasures is driving a coastal road here to the shops and listening to the UK traffic news…..!
@alisonforrester4612
@alisonforrester4612 Ай бұрын
I lived in Athens for 2 years from 1992, a very different time in Greece. People had money then. I loved my time there, loved the people, food and the nightlife. Enjoyed your video, thank you.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed. Things are definitely improving here, it actually feels pretty vibrant, but remains tough for the younger generation in particular.
@Taldanmus
@Taldanmus 2 ай бұрын
Good information, thanks. I REALLY appreciate that you give acknowledgment & compassion up front to Greeks who struggle with living costs. So many KZbinrs just giggle about how they're getting over and it's so cheap, insensitive at best.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
My wife's family is Greek, and I have very first hand experience of the realities, so to be honest I often feel, awkward about making these videos.
@ATHENS15
@ATHENS15 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the insight Andrew. We really appreciate the time and effort and information you provide for us foreigners. Greetings for Melbourne Australia.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I enjoy making the videos, the challenge is thinking up topics people may be interested in!! Let me know if you want me to cover anything.
@perseusarkouda
@perseusarkouda 2 ай бұрын
The minimum wage in Greece is not 830 Euros, but something like 705 after taxes. The major reasons most of us are able to live decently is a second job and the support of our families. The effects will get dramatically apparent progressively.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I agree, it is challenging. To try to offer fair comparison, both my figures quoted were before tax. The tax burdens and costs in both countries are different, and I was trying for an apples to apples comparison. That minimum wage in the UK is also challenging, given different costs and burdens.
@razisn
@razisn 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored Just check the Average and Median income numbers in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms, The numbers are published by various organisations including in the CIA Factbook.
@tedmarakas2626
@tedmarakas2626 2 ай бұрын
I spend twice that much in a week. Oh well, I am Greek - American
@frankdaneluzzi3503
@frankdaneluzzi3503 2 ай бұрын
Excellent Andrew, no mucking about point for point and no repeating of any of it!
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Frank!!
@davecap2641
@davecap2641 2 ай бұрын
I am retired and living in Greece for almost 10 years and your costs match pretty much what I pay. You are absolutely correct about health care available here, it is accessible, affordable and first class. What I will say that if, like me, you cannot afford a new car, the used cars are very expensive compared to the UK. Nobody I have spoken to can explain this as, as you say new car prices are compatible to UK.I found your video very interesting, well done.
@barrybarry6592
@barrybarry6592 2 ай бұрын
In Catalonia the cause of high used car prices are two fold, firstly people keep a car until it stops. No sense of ego applies. Secondly no corporate car market. I love it nobody judge's you on your car or house, just how you are in the community
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the confirmation, I was worried I was way off compared to others!! Completely agree re. the Healthcare too.
@razisn
@razisn 2 ай бұрын
A few reasons used cars are expensive in Greece compared to the UK. 1. Greeks, for reasons of cost of replacement do not change their car as often so the market is in short supply. 2, Corporate and lease fleets are much smaller, with the same effect as above 3. To compensate for the above lots of used cards are imports where the middlemen work on high profit margins. They can do that because of the 2 factors above. 4. Demand for used cars is high because of high cost of ownership. It is a supply and demand issue which starts with the high cost of ownership for new cars compared to the median income.
@barrybarry6592
@barrybarry6592 2 ай бұрын
@@razisn Importation is not at all easy even from another EU country. The middle men are in my experience not to be given full trust. In conclusion do it yourself and take your time to jump through the loops or settle for an older car and enjoy the freedom of Braille parking without guilt!
@onesiewarrior
@onesiewarrior 25 күн бұрын
i am becoming a digital nomad and moving to greece. 🇬🇷 thank you for this
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 25 күн бұрын
Good luck, is a good place to live if you go with the flow - no point in getting stressed here!
@georgeroumeliotis2239
@georgeroumeliotis2239 2 ай бұрын
Very helpful and wonderfully broken down. Thank you very much.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, glad if it has been useful.
@thomasj3421
@thomasj3421 2 ай бұрын
4.85k subscribers. Last time i checked you had around 870. I remember saying that you should have way more subs. Nice.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, slow but steady!!! Lovely to have you back to!
@Globetrotter-1
@Globetrotter-1 2 ай бұрын
I live virtually free in UK because I live full time in my SUV and explore all across UK and Europe. Water is obviously free. Power is free via Solar or via the built-in alternator charger. So basically it's just the cost of food & beer per month. (Obviously the main cost is fuel & vehicle maintenance...but I'd have those extra costs even if I mortgaged a house or paid rent...so in reality they don't count).
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Van life videos are one of my fav watch on YT at the moment, I really fancy giving it a go, but the wife is not interested!!
@billiosi7448
@billiosi7448 22 күн бұрын
Another great video man. Thank you. Nevertheless, its time to make one video from Thessaloniki and compare with Athens and Halkidiki with Peloponnesos. Good luck.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 21 күн бұрын
I have to get up there at some point!
@warwickkeene363
@warwickkeene363 25 күн бұрын
What a well rsearched video profesionally presented by a very articlate presenter. So much knowledge, thank you. Will see if I can find more videos, even though I am not looking to leave Qld where I am retired.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 25 күн бұрын
That is very kind of you, thank you! I do tour videos to,if you plan to visit on holidays!!
@georgiekasko8698
@georgiekasko8698 Ай бұрын
Thank you Andrew for another very informative video. Lots of tips I would never have thought about. Have saved it for future reference. 😊
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciated. let me know if there is anything you would like me to try to cover! Thinking up topics I can actually talk about with knowledge is my biggest challenge!
@georgiekasko8698
@georgiekasko8698 Ай бұрын
Yes, coming up with topics would be a challenge. I’m not sure if you have covered this previously but how easy/difficult is it to obtain a Greek driver’s license? Would it be worth it for a three month stay? Cheers!
@mannins79
@mannins79 2 ай бұрын
Great video Andrew, useful info and zero waste of time. It would be interesting to understand how an income from overseas is getting (or not) taxed in Greece.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
written the outline of a video, but I am trying to get my Greek accountant to participate - maybe an interview, as I am not an expert. if she wont, then I will at least have her advise! but may be several months before I publish it...
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks by the way!!
@porschecarreras992cabriole8
@porschecarreras992cabriole8 2 ай бұрын
Retire to Greece with 7% flat tax rate for 10 years.
@courseware1241
@courseware1241 Ай бұрын
If you stay for more than 183 days per year in Greece you are considered a tax resident of Greece and required by law to file for and pay taxes in Greece for your worldwide income. There are favorable provisions for pensioners (7% rate annually for 10 years etc.) and other categories of people, but you certainly need to abide with the tax residency regulations stated above. If you do not, you are breaking the law and this could have consequences as in every country.
@kellyname5733
@kellyname5733 Ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored What I have found on other channels is, when professional (Accountants, Attorneys, Real Estate agents, Immigration facilitators, etc...) people come onto your channel and you interview them, those people grow their business in a big way. Many people want to move to other places but are intimidated by the lack of knowledge and/or the process. Your referral by way of an interview on your channel will help everyone...the professional, the people wanting those services and for you if you have an arrangement with those vendors. Everybody wants a referral from someone that has actually used these people and their services. It helps to reassure people. It's a win/win! In time you have them back again, that way your viewers will begin to know them and trust will come quickly.
@zivja
@zivja 23 күн бұрын
Moving to kefalonia next year with my husband so excited, going to live in his mums granny flat ,-)
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 22 күн бұрын
Good luck, it is a beautiful island!
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 2 ай бұрын
I had an inflamed appendix in Crete and spent 6 days of my 10 day holiday in hospital in Chania. THE STAFF WAS FANTASTIC! Excellent skills, good decisions. Conditions in the hospital not so, with pigeons walking into the ward, the floor broken bare concrete.
@kathywilliams9672
@kathywilliams9672 2 ай бұрын
@@RobWhittlestone but they care. That's what matters. Today, here in Greece I had an eye test. The first after 5 years. It took 2o mins. The optician said he could give me new reading glasses which is what I thought I needed but he said no. I don't need to change what I've got. OK. I will keep my old glasses. When I tried to pay he said no. There's no charge. Imagine that in uk. .
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 2 ай бұрын
@@kathywilliams9672 Hi Kathy - yes, they DO care! I wasn't denigrating the staff at all! In my experience, several spoke good English too. My feeble attempts at speaking Greek were also appreciated. I grew up loving Greek-speaking people, I was born in Cyprus. But the funding of the hospital I was in did leave room for improvement, that was my point. All the best, Rob in Switzerland. PS. My first text above was accidentally posted without the rest of what I wanted to say and my customary sign-off.
@tedmarakas2626
@tedmarakas2626 2 ай бұрын
Get private insurance for about $3000 a year and go to private hospitals. Problem solved. However, as a foreigner....you may have restrictions from your insurance company.
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 2 ай бұрын
@@tedmarakas2626 Hi Ted - I have Swiss private insurance but did not then have all the options for travel. I have improved on that since. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
@jon-ie4li
@jon-ie4li Ай бұрын
rubbish
@jupite1888
@jupite1888 2 ай бұрын
Well said again Andrew and impressed you haven't tripped while filming, thats skill on greek roads.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, the kids would have loved it too!
@tedmarakas2626
@tedmarakas2626 2 ай бұрын
If you can drive in Greece and Turkey then you can drive anywhere.
@signalfire6
@signalfire6 4 күн бұрын
So many teenagers in the background, looking at him like he was nuts....
@francesthomas9814
@francesthomas9814 17 күн бұрын
How exciting to see this video! I just bought a house in Paralio Astros! 😊
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 16 күн бұрын
Welcome, I will no doubt see you about!
@francesthomas9814
@francesthomas9814 16 күн бұрын
@GreeceExplored I'm looking forward to it! I will be there in April to finalize golden visa procedures. I usually stay with Vivian at Castle Views Studios. I love your videos so much! I miss it all! My house is on Sparti Street...
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 15 күн бұрын
@@francesthomas9814 Spartis Street? I know it if it is the one I run up into the Olive Groves, I then also run past Castle Studios. Drop me a line when you arrive, We will be around and can grab a coffee!
@oded999191
@oded999191 2 ай бұрын
it’s one of the best videos of cost of living in Greece… Very good info Thank you 🙏🏻
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, That means a lot to me, really does. If there is anything else you would like me to cover, please let me know!
@billiosi7448
@billiosi7448 2 ай бұрын
​@@GreeceExploredsince you ask, I will appreciate if you can make a video about the cost to rent or to purchase a condo in Glyfada. It will also be nice if you would be able to figure out approximately the distance of the condo to the beach ⛱️ with the cost of the condo. I know I did asked alot.Thank you anyways.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
@@billiosi7448 I have a video covering the Property Prices in the Peloponnese and Athens (and the current market trends and driving factors) in 4 weeks, inc. some detail on Glyfada properties and prices, though not rental. If popular I will do some followups. It is not cheap there....
@emergent3744
@emergent3744 2 ай бұрын
You speak really well, thanks for sharing
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, I really appreciate it.
@profmuelli85
@profmuelli85 2 ай бұрын
Very much information. Thanks a lot for your support for everybody. All without marketing or something.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind comment. I am just a guy with a Hobby who is trying to improve my videos and make content of value - so your comment is really appreciated! thank you!
@bernadettehumby7844
@bernadettehumby7844 2 ай бұрын
Good morning Andrew , a great video,very helpful, is it possible to do a video about renting in Greece long term and any pitfalls involved,, keep up with your videos Andrew ,have a great weekend ✨✨
@Stellairam
@Stellairam 2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah I would love that too.
@Stellairam
@Stellairam 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant information, thanks Andrew this is really helpful xx
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I will try, I have filmed a video about prices here including rental, but will only publish thet in 4 weeks I think, will look at doing a more in depth look.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
@@Stellairam Thank you!! I have a property video I will publish in about 4 weeks, and I will look at doing one specifically on rentals.
@Stellairam
@Stellairam 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExploredthanks Andrew!
@Cheezz_Montgomery_Burns
@Cheezz_Montgomery_Burns 2 ай бұрын
You're making me want to retire and relocate to Greece early.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Trust me, it is probably the best place to live in Europe, as long as you can go with the flow!!
@ch1ckenphat514
@ch1ckenphat514 2 ай бұрын
Nafplio in the background. Beautiful!
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
One of the best tourist towns in Greece, perhaps the best.
@mannabyanna2266
@mannabyanna2266 Ай бұрын
Very informative! Thank you 😁🙏 I’m going to watch more of your videos as my partner & I are planning to move to Crete in the near future😉
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
I hope my other videos are useful too! More to come, and good luck with your move!
@mannabyanna2266
@mannabyanna2266 Ай бұрын
ευχαριστώ πολύ 😁!
@kathywilliams9672
@kathywilliams9672 2 ай бұрын
Yuo didn't mention vet bills. I've lived in Greece with a dog for10 years and vet bills are very affordable. We don't need insurance because vets don't overcharge like they do in uk. To neutered my female dog cost 90 euros. We care for homeless cats and the cost to neuter them is 60 for female 50 for male. Antibiotics are about 5 euros. Flea and tick tablets for my dog is about 30 euros for 3 months. Vets here will never put a healthy animal to sleep. A very sick elderly animal cost a friend 30 euros. No charges for an appointment. So if anyone is wanting to live here with pets, no need to worry about costs.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, really valuable information to add. I unfortunately am allergic to animal saliva, so pets are not a great option, or expertise for me!!
@Stellairam
@Stellairam 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for that info! My main worry about going over are my pets! Actually, we would be there already with our motor home if we didn’t have so many! Nice to know about the vet bills!
@kathywilliams9672
@kathywilliams9672 2 ай бұрын
@@Stellairam your pets will be well treated by any vet. There are plenty of them everywhere so you have nothing to worry about. I looked at uk vet charges recently and I was truly shocked. Such a rip off. Per insurance is too much too. Here its a different story.
@Stellairam
@Stellairam 2 ай бұрын
@@kathywilliams9672I live in Spain and it is also a rip off over here. And with all the new animal laws and all that, it is getting more and more difficult. You are so lucky to be living over there!!
@kathywilliams9672
@kathywilliams9672 2 ай бұрын
@@Stellairam yes I am truly lucky to be here. Never a day goes by when I don't appreciate it. I will never leave.
@Michael-0000
@Michael-0000 2 ай бұрын
Very useful information indeed - thank you! I am planning on retiring to Greece in a year or so. Although costs are relatively affordable in a European context, very conscious of, as you point out - the cost of living for Greek people. Would that it wasn’t so difficult for the inhabitants of this lovely country.
@mikerathmell6271
@mikerathmell6271 2 ай бұрын
Great info Andrew. Thank you. Suggestion. Would love to see what your money actually gets you in terms of residential property in say Kalamata and other places of your choosing. Renting/Buying and perhaps even how hard/easy it is to buy land and commission a builder etc. Might be asking too much. Just an idea. Thanks once again.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions, I have recorded a video on Greek property prices in Athens and the Peloponnese, though not Kalamata. I will publish it in 4 weeks. I will do a followup if popular. I am thinking about doing a video on the challenges of self build in Greece, I know a freindly Greek American who has done this, and want to interview him about the process and challenges. I am also going to be renovating an apartment in Athens next year and plan to do some videos on that.
@mikerathmell6271
@mikerathmell6271 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored All of that is interesting to me. Brilliant. Fingers crossed others might think the same.
@amberatartimec2564
@amberatartimec2564 Ай бұрын
Lovely clear video.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
you, I really appreciate your comment and feedback! I hope it was interesting.
@relocatetoEUROPE
@relocatetoEUROPE 25 күн бұрын
Good coverage on the costs looking at the background where youre walking theres graffiti defacing so many buildings ..... Looks like many southern Italian cities. Im sure many Greek familes are struggling after the collapse last time I visited I saw lots of shops closed down. Here in Italy a large proportion of the Italian population earn about 800 Euros month, in the South more so.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 25 күн бұрын
Nafplio, it used to be a Venetian city, a long time ago...
@SimonEllwood
@SimonEllwood 2 ай бұрын
Your costs are surprisingly similar to what I pay in the UK. Car insurance is much higher, healthcare via the NHS is of course much cheaper. Council Tax is much higher than your property tax but I have a freehold property so have no service fees. I pay less for energy (I do have solar). My wife and I are retired and we travel a lot so we were in Athens last year. The food is fantastic. Thanks for the video.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I think the issue with the NHS now is access, I know, it can take weeks to see a gp, where as here you can skip that (or see one tomorrow if you want) and go straight to a consultant tomorrow for virtually no money. All properties in Greece, including apartments are Freehold, but of course they have to be maintained, and in a community a monthly contribution is the easiest way to manage it! Really glad you enjoyed Athens and yes, I agree, the food is great too!
@SimonEllwood
@SimonEllwood 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored I hear from many others the NHS is not in a good way but I have been lucky so far. I moved area in 2019 and was lucky to get signed on to an NHS dentist in 2021. I know a lot of expats think it is terrible in the UK these days, that is not my experience.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
@@SimonEllwood My daughter is in the UK, 7 weeks to see a GP for what they determined to be a none-urgent appointment, then told her she needed vitamin shots as had deficiency (after waiting 7 weeks) but not available on the NHS so she had to go private anyway.... could have had pills instead but doc said they were useless... but cheap...
@SimonEllwood
@SimonEllwood 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored There are indeed massive waiting list especially since COVID and the recent strikes.
@tedmarakas2626
@tedmarakas2626 2 ай бұрын
Dude, when everybody around the world was eating berries, the Greeks had cholesterol problems.....LOL, hahahaha All nonsense aside, the food in Greece and Turkey is absolutely the BEST and cannot be debated. Italy and Lebanon are great also but the Lamb chops, tomatoes, olive oil, feta cheese, olives, figs, fish.......man.......it is everywhere, especially good in small villages. I usually gain about 20lbs in 20 days and then I come to this NYC liberal toilet bowl and lose it in 10 days. I've been to so many expensive restaurants here in NYC, the best of all, BULL$HIT !!!!. Go to a small Greek village and eat with the locals. THAT"S FOOD !!!!!
@stevemartin7464
@stevemartin7464 Ай бұрын
I would move to Crete in a heartbeat if I were retiring. Lovely place, great people and even better food!
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Agreed, like the whole of Greece, amazing culture, people food and weather. The best of Europe.
@markberry5408
@markberry5408 Ай бұрын
Great video, thank you. You mentioned to add to comment. How did you manage an early retirement ? Cheers, Mark
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thanks, appreciated. I have recorded a vid, probably publish Dec 27th. No magic formula though, just hard work really, and a dream.
@markberry5408
@markberry5408 Ай бұрын
@ thank you Andrew. I’ll head there now.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
@@markberry5408 I meant I will publish it 27th December, 2024!! sorry for not being clear.
@markberry5408
@markberry5408 Ай бұрын
@ thanks Andrew, I’ve just been searching your back catalogue and going a little barmy 😂
@YanniVassilopoulos
@YanniVassilopoulos Ай бұрын
Great layout and thank you for the detailed presentation. Surprised by the amount of heating oil you used last year to heat your home. Did you say 60 liters? ONLY 60 liters?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thank you, I hope it was useful. and yes, 60l, we really had no winter here last year, and our apartment was built in 2009 and is well insulated. looking outside, I am not sure we will have any winter here this year either, the weather is changing her, becoming almost tropical.
@witofthestaircase1
@witofthestaircase1 2 ай бұрын
Excellent thank you I’ve subscribed
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Appreciate it - thank you! Next vid is a Hike and some 'facts' about Greece and the Greeks..... following that a look at some property prices
@JamesWilliamson-w8y
@JamesWilliamson-w8y 6 күн бұрын
If you avoid the city centres or popular tourist areas then Greece can be quite cheap. A single person could live comfortably on 1500 Euros a month. 2500 for a couple.
@GiovanniMazzeo-r1n
@GiovanniMazzeo-r1n 2 ай бұрын
Interesting what you say about Greece,i live in Italy some of the year i find some things cost more and others abit less.The Italian lifestyle is better than the Uk.If you keep to a budget things are ok i find and treat yourself sometimes.Property is cheaper than Uk and public transport is a fair price where i stay when in Italy.Finding work could be a problem but i do contract work back in the Uk if need money sometimes.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I think it is very similar here, and as you say, remote work is possible too, should you wish to do it.
@mikelopez6514
@mikelopez6514 6 күн бұрын
Virtually , your videos have been intriguing and frankly speaking very vital and helpful.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 5 күн бұрын
Thank you, always appreciate positive feedback, I hope they remain useful!
@orfatron
@orfatron 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely spot on information. The best thing of it all are the poeple . And the west doesn't understand how much better the social aspect is for your life and children. Low to Absolutely nothing in taxes, commodities, great quality grown food and affortable everything .
@tedn6855
@tedn6855 2 ай бұрын
Where did you buy olive oil so cheap? I noticed the grocery store olive oil in greece is more expensive then even in canada.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
LOL, local supermarket but it is madness right now, especially here!! Probably all being sold overseas.... though I have seen some early harvests round here.
@tedn6855
@tedn6855 2 ай бұрын
Woops i mis heard 3/4 of litte for 13 euros is excessive. I thought you said 3 litres​@GreeceExplored
@jongwennap7853
@jongwennap7853 Ай бұрын
Great informative video. Just a question. As my wife and I are not retired yet but are thinking of spending a month in Greece to I suppose sample the life. Just wanted approx advice on how easy that would be to say rent for a month? Keep up the videos V informative. I love the ancient greek history as well. 🤓👍
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
If you are staying in one place it should be relatively easy, either with a small 'guesthouse' or AirBNB, especially off season. I was in Koroni earlier this week and there are some Germans there doing exactly that now, it is cheaper off season too! Good luck with your travels!
@lawrencehawgood7929
@lawrencehawgood7929 Ай бұрын
I am renting a large apartment at the moment for €500 per month on Kalymnos next to Kos. You should get an apartment for less than €1000 in the high season.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
@@lawrencehawgood7929 Good advice for people, thanks!
@geokon7192
@geokon7192 Ай бұрын
Starlink a good choice in Greece. Cheaper than Australia per month for Starlink.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thank you, will check it out
@indigomoon9436
@indigomoon9436 Ай бұрын
Great video thank you and Yes - I would love for you to explain how you managed to retire and how you have the affordability to also retire in Greece, much appreciated 🙏🙏🙏☺️
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
I will do this, I am still thinking about how to structure the video.
@indigomoon9436
@indigomoon9436 Ай бұрын
@ that would be amazing 🤩 I realise it takes a lot of work and organising to put content up, so thank you 🙏☺️
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
@@indigomoon9436 I do it because I enjoy the process and challenge. It is my hobby but appreciated - thank you.
@Johng56
@Johng56 2 ай бұрын
Very informative sounds good👍
@seanben3843
@seanben3843 5 күн бұрын
Thank you
@Sabhail_ar_Alba
@Sabhail_ar_Alba 2 ай бұрын
Minimum wage is less than 2600 euro pm. Min wage in UK is £11.75 p.h. so someone working 40 pw = £1880/ p.m. or 2260 euro p.m. Net would be £1647 or 1976 Euro.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. Doesn’t change the point I was making though. You are correct. I was approximating, from the top of my head, (and in the ball park).
@schowtyme
@schowtyme 2 ай бұрын
Great video, just subscribed, thanks for the helpful info! If we lived in Athens and didn't have a car but wanted to occasionally rent a car and drive in other countries in Europe, any idea how to get car insurance if it isn't on the person but the car?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub!! I am afraid I don't know. I have heard that you are not allowed to drive a Greek hire car to other countries, but I am not sure if that is common with all hire car companies, and I may be wrong. Sorry I cannot be more help.
@tomjohn1400
@tomjohn1400 2 ай бұрын
Buy starling, it's 40 euro a month in greece. Once you pay 300 to start with. You will get much better internet
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I will have a look, I am not sure it is available to us here though, thanks!!!
@michaelsintown9008
@michaelsintown9008 2 ай бұрын
My daughter lives in Crete and she has Starlink 40 Euro per month 130 down load and 20 - 30 upload very good service.
@hayleyvanzwanenberg2106
@hayleyvanzwanenberg2106 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video. You should be picked up by a tv channel.
@ajfeinman
@ajfeinman 29 күн бұрын
Great video. How much does it cost to lease a Toyota Prius for 2-3 years? And car insurance?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 29 күн бұрын
I have no idea I am afraid mate.
@stevegavrilos21
@stevegavrilos21 2 ай бұрын
Excellent and very useful. Thank you
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Appreciated, thank you.
@idk-idc-idc6076
@idk-idc-idc6076 Ай бұрын
HI, thank you for giving us so much info! I am a student planning to study abroad in Europe and I want to go to Greece, I also plan to move there permanently. I have many questions. Would it be okay if I emailed you?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Sure if you wish to, I can't promise to answer them all though!
@Kayak-fz6mj
@Kayak-fz6mj 4 күн бұрын
We live in the US and Greece is on our list as a place to retire. It's important to review the minimum passive income requirements to obtain a visa. I believe it is approximately $3,500 USD and passive income will not include income from investments. It must be income that is guaranteed. Most US retirees will not meet that from Social Security alone, so you must consider how to generate and prove additional passive income...such as an annuity. I should also mention, this income requirement is per-person unless you are married. In this case, the spouse would require less passive income.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 4 күн бұрын
Agreed. I have a video on exactly that actually, the process and other visa options
@geogeo2299
@geogeo2299 2 ай бұрын
1000 euros / month for 2 adults with no solar water heater and an owned house is realistic. PS: Andrew looks like you're quite popular with Nafplio's youth 😁
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the agreement! and yes, the kids were out in force that morning and enjoyed having me trying to film...
@porschecarreras992cabriole8
@porschecarreras992cabriole8 2 ай бұрын
A bit on the cheap side but possible as you own home
@John7No
@John7No Ай бұрын
ok, lots of things that I would like to go through but what I most want to bring attention is the "i can call a doctor and visit tomorrow and it will cost 40-50 euros" see the thing is that as an employee Greece , you should NOT have to pay those 40-50 euros because this money for healthcare is being withhold every month from our salaries and freelancers have to pay for it. Whether you want it or not. Ant the free doctors might take from 2-4 weeks up to 4 months for an appointment. What you say is visit a "private" doctor which money is extra to the ones already withhold for my public healthcare but can't use/have in a decent timely manner.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
In the UK it is no different and actually worse. Most EU countries and the UK use income tax to pay for national healthcare and you will wait 2 months to see a GP doctor if you are lucky, and then be even luckier if you get the help and support you need. To go to a private doctor in the UK will be typically 200 euros for 30 minutes. Greece has good value healthcare, great well trained medical staff and doctors and is accessible. If I want a blood test in the UK I have to go to the doctor first, here every large village has a good micro centre. Greece is better than so many people think for so many things.
@John7No
@John7No Ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored once you start visiting more specialized doctors the 50 euros become 80 or 100 and maybe 120. But even if that was not the case what is the minimum wage and average in UK and what is in Greece. Compare the two and you will see that it is balanced out. My issue is with the must pay and cannot go to a private insurance , which I have to go either way if I need to able to have access to healthcare. So I am getting robbed. Plus if you have a surgery you have to give the doctor money under the table. Our system only works in case of emergencies , that they HAVE to take you in no matter what.
@kellyname5733
@kellyname5733 Ай бұрын
Wonderful video. What do you mean nobody text's anymore??? And no phone call either??? How do you talk to each other? lol
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!!!!! I meant people use WhatsApp, Viber, Zalo, all internet rather than text and calls.
@brian6464
@brian6464 2 ай бұрын
Can't you get Starlink?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Probably but it is rather pricey!!
@fedupbin
@fedupbin 2 ай бұрын
that root canal is expensive. I paid £65 a few years back and had one root canal, plus two other fillings (NHS)
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Most people can’t even get NHS now, and this was private… what would private cost in the UK?
@fedupbin
@fedupbin 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored I know what you mean. It would be very expensive
@Rachelgpuentes
@Rachelgpuentes 2 ай бұрын
I would rather pay 250 euros for a root canal in Greece than $1500 US dollars here in the states. And that price is with having health insurance.
@fedupbin
@fedupbin 2 ай бұрын
@@Rachelgpuentes Yes your country is ridiculously expensive
@chrisiclickyou3947
@chrisiclickyou3947 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored A root canal in Melbourne, Australia is on average about $1500 to $2000. A basic clean is about $275. A tooth extraction is about $400. I have private health insurance and I get a discount of about 35% on the above.
@streb6
@streb6 Ай бұрын
Andrew, great video. My question is you do not look over 60 at all?! 😊
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Early to mid 50s mate.
@vanessahenderson1850
@vanessahenderson1850 Ай бұрын
Loving your content. I agree, the health care system in Greece is excellent and the price for medication is so much cheaper than the UK. I was over in Greece earlier this year and I needed some meds from the pharmacy. It cost me just under 2 euros. In the UK, I'd need a prescription for what I got over the counter in Greece and it would cost me a good ten pounds just for one item. I'm curious to what you and your Wife do for employment. If you could do a video regrading that, it would be great.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate it, I am trying to improve. My wife and I are basically retired, but my next video (Friday) is titled, 'What I do in Greece, and Why I make videos', so may answer some questions. It is difficult to earn in Greece unless you have some form of external work. Digital Nomad etc.
@franciscofredericci4081
@franciscofredericci4081 Ай бұрын
Minimum wage England is ❤ £11.44 per hour, typically monthly working hours 160. So works out at approx €2100 :) ;)
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Agreed, I was incorrect, but then many will get additional benefits, which are not available here…. Child, etc.
@MaxZagar
@MaxZagar 2 ай бұрын
50 meg is per second. Thats a very fast connection. You have 50 meg download but a very slow upload. So always check the upload speed if you are working online 😬
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
No, mega bits, not bytes, 5 mega bytes down, 600kb up.
@MichaelChalfont
@MichaelChalfont 2 ай бұрын
Retired !Good god your about 30 what did you do win the lottery .
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Kind but I am mid 50s mate. Keep up with comments like that though, I like a lot!
@domtaylor2271
@domtaylor2271 Ай бұрын
Wow. You look a similar age to me (mid thirties). Not sure whether to be depressed or whether you just look insanely youthful for your age !
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
@@domtaylor2271 I am sure that is not really true, but thank you - Sunglasses and a hat help.....
@levithomasorourke3117
@levithomasorourke3117 2 ай бұрын
I'd love to know how you retired early, I'm 34 and already thinking about how to leave the UK lol
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I will see, I have been thinking about how to do it without providing any personal or situational information. not so easy. Maybe in general terms.
@formerghost1500
@formerghost1500 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored Yes, please.
@yvettakollega5791
@yvettakollega5791 25 күн бұрын
1K pm for one or two people?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 25 күн бұрын
1k for 2 people
@yvettakollega5791
@yvettakollega5791 24 күн бұрын
@@GreeceExplored My mum says she pays 500 just for food and bills come on top of that.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 24 күн бұрын
@@yvettakollega5791 I seem to recall thats what I said, 500 for food (monthly) or thereabouts and bills on top.
@billybooger1
@billybooger1 Ай бұрын
KTEO is every 2 years not annually.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@billybooger1
@billybooger1 Ай бұрын
@GreeceExplored No problem, so glad it's every 2 years. We have a 25 year old car, and somehow keeps passing it's test in Kalamata.
@grahamjohnson9789
@grahamjohnson9789 Ай бұрын
Great video. Could you do one on Visas?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
I have already mate, a few weeks back, a bit of a dry video, but then the subject is too - 'EU (Greek) Visas, Residency and Citizenship'
@MM-lw3ve
@MM-lw3ve 5 күн бұрын
HI Andrew = there are a several things I want to get away from in the UK one is the Dystopian society and the other is the drinking and fighting culture; I absolutely hate violent people and as I get older and closer to retirement want to live in a more civilized and family orientated place; do you feel that Greece offers this? Thanks Mark
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 5 күн бұрын
In a word, yes, Athens has its issues, depending on where you go, especially with football gang culture, but nothing like London or the cities in the UK. Government is less, pervasive too, though they are focussed on people paying their taxes!! Family is very important in Greece, there is cultural respect for the older generations and you can live there. That said outside the cities, you will also always be a foreigner. But Greece is generally great for a retiree. I wouldn't advise working there, and visas for Brits can be a faff now, but not impossible.
@MM-lw3ve
@MM-lw3ve 5 күн бұрын
@@GreeceExplored Thanks for the fast reply; I was really thinking Spain or Greece; but I remember how friendly Greece was on holiday as a kid and there seemed to be a gentleness to it; I have actually only been to the islands not mainland Greece; I love the look of many of the places you visit but am worried about the costs I think I am probably going to to have an income of around 4800 euros a month but would need to rent and not buy would you be able to get by on that amount each month? Did you consider Spain or any other country before settling on Greece?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 5 күн бұрын
@@MM-lw3ve My wife is Greek, so I didn't have much debate about it to be honest. As I said the visa will likely be your hardest challenge unless you have birthright or marriage. I go have a video in Visa's, it is a bit dry but the first half may be worth a watch, I cover the requirements for retirement visas, though you would have to obtain a Type D 1 year visa first. I recommend a good lawyer and accountant if you are serious. I think Spain is very anti-Brit at the moment because of Gibraltar so Greece is likely a better bet, and if you can just 'go with the flow' it is great. the average monthly income in Greece after tax is about 1100 euros, and the minimum wage is about 830 Euros. It is hard for employed Greeks to earn more than 2000 per month in general middle management jobs. Rent per Sq m is between 7 and 14 euros per month, depending on where you are, the age of the building etc. outside Nafplio for example 700 euros a month should get you an ok 2 bed apartment. It is better to buy if you can though as prices are going up and personally in retirement I want the security. Ask more if you want..
@jacknicolssen7492
@jacknicolssen7492 28 күн бұрын
Greece is literally expensive, i dont know why people say it's not focusing on low prices due to deflation. U actually have 1.8ish euros per litre gas prices while the salaries range from 700-1000 (expensive car taxes aswell). Super markets are expensive too. How do people survive in such conditions? They immigrate simply. Oh and 40+% tax rates if you make 35K+ annualy with shitty public sector services (higher than scandinavia lol). It's a shithole, only worth it if you are a nomad in an island during summer (which have gotten expensive aswell)
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 28 күн бұрын
It depends whenever you come from, for Europe it is really one of the less costly options, though I agree some things are expensive and compared to average local salaries, as you point out, cost of living is high.
@AG-so4gl
@AG-so4gl 2 ай бұрын
You said your retired but have a UK income???
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
No, I have a retirement income of uk standards. Just trying to keep it brief. I haven’t lived or worked in the uk since 2011
@JohnDoyle1956
@JohnDoyle1956 2 ай бұрын
Càn you give me a idea ..of the average price of apartments .
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I have a video on this in, I think 4 weeks, recorded and scheduled.
@mannabyanna2266
@mannabyanna2266 Ай бұрын
Car Insurance works the same in Spain, Germany, Poland and other EU countries - UK & Ireland are the only once where you need to insure the driver and not the car… which is a pain in the a….🤪
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
I agree, it is not an ideal approach…..
@dlawrence3187
@dlawrence3187 2 ай бұрын
The high levels of youth unemployment in southern Europe seems apparent in your walk about.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Most of the people in the vid are school kids, It seemed every school in Greece was visiting Nafplio that day!
@DaveBoothroyd-ej5in
@DaveBoothroyd-ej5in 28 күн бұрын
Isn't the biggest hurdle not having an EU passport (for your UK audience at least?)
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 28 күн бұрын
Yes it is. I do have a video on EU visas - very dry due to the subject, but really only 3 /. options for UK people.... Birthright, Marriage, retirement visa (difficult) or Golden visa (very difficult). Many doors now closed :(
@MrSete15
@MrSete15 2 ай бұрын
Whereabouts are u in greece…. Thanks
@Kitiwake
@Kitiwake 2 ай бұрын
Problem with Greece....no jobs. So what can you do all day?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
Relax, I make videos, run, explore, socialise.
@Poco-me5eq
@Poco-me5eq 10 күн бұрын
I prefer cheap bootlegged liquor thank you.
@georgekritikos7801
@georgekritikos7801 2 ай бұрын
You’re in Nafplio
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I was yes, though I try to move about for my videos when I can, vary the location
@papadajnia268
@papadajnia268 2 ай бұрын
Everywhere is the same in Europe....is all planed we will be slaves and rich get richer 😢😢😢
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I do agree, there is a cycle for everyone and to do anything different you have to break out of the program.
@tedmarakas2626
@tedmarakas2626 2 ай бұрын
Somehow when I go there it costs me 5 times as much and I own 2 large homes by the beach. However, I have lots of people visiting and we don't really like the word budget. We like the best and that's what we get. Life's too short to count lousy $100 bills.
@rogerspeck9929
@rogerspeck9929 Ай бұрын
Great video, but I got tired watching it, slow down, sit still, you’re supposed to be relaxed in Greece. 😁👍
@Boris-jw1gu
@Boris-jw1gu 28 күн бұрын
Solid video. My experience so far - food expensive, rent expensive, gas expensive, second hand cars super expensive. Warm people, sunny all the time.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 28 күн бұрын
I was in Nafplio that day, with most of the Greek school population I think! Thanks for the comment to!
@TomBartram-b1c
@TomBartram-b1c 2 ай бұрын
That's one bloody hard language to learn. They dont even use the same alphabet as us!
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
It is, but ultimately living here it is going to be something I have to do.
@TomBartram-b1c
@TomBartram-b1c 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored I learnt Catalan when I was living there and my tip is start off just learning words. Don't bother with grammar. "Tarzan" Català worked OK and then the grammar, past tense and that crap just fell into place. Then I moved onto Spanish which was easy. Good luck.
@kentonnur
@kentonnur Ай бұрын
Why mention Brexit ? Relevance ?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored Ай бұрын
Big relevance - costs more to live here as a result for me, pound is worth 20% less as a direct result, plus most Brits no longer have the right to live here.
@bobosborne1573
@bobosborne1573 Ай бұрын
This is the EU for you. They should have kept the drachma
@xyzxyz4575
@xyzxyz4575 Ай бұрын
Just learn Greek, listening and speaking!
@annekowalska8860
@annekowalska8860 Ай бұрын
The Greeks are nice people, but unfortunately, Greece was one of the first five countries in Europe to agree to adopt digital ID and this is about to be implemented. This is just a step away from digital currency and totalitarian slavery. I value freedom, so this, in my opinion, completely disqualifies this country as a safe country to live in.
@kellyname5733
@kellyname5733 Ай бұрын
Thanks Anne for the heads up about Greece adopting a 'Digital ID'. Yes, next will be digital currency and totalitarian slavery. It was too go to be true that Greece was an option to move to. Im sooooo sad for sure. Greece was on my radar for many years and now...not a chance. I will say Im not surprised that MANY European countries are exploring/moving to the Digital ID and digital currency. There are 50 countries that agreed to adopt or are already using Digital ID as of February 2024
@kellyname5733
@kellyname5733 Ай бұрын
Everyone can learn what the status of CBCD (digital currency) is in each country....Atlantic Council
@Demun1649
@Demun1649 2 ай бұрын
I was watching, quite interested, until you mentioned a foreign spirit, IN A WINE COUNTRY. You MUST be ENGLISH. The French are civilised: "If you won't drink it, you don't cook with it". I always drink wine from the Peleponese, I never drink a wine made from unidentified grapes. Or the Mavrodaphne of Patras.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
It is a shame you didn’t keep watching because I then talk about the value to be had from local carafe wine in a restaurant
@Demun1649
@Demun1649 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored This is not internet boasting. I studied wine for 12 years, eventually qualifying as a Tutor, Lecturer, Consultant, and taught and consulted for 14 years. There is nothing you can teach me about the difference between blind carafes, and a branded wine from a specified region. I know you are English, but they really do have the lowest anticipation concerning wine. Not your fault, it was Fat Henry closing the monasteries that destroyed wine in England.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
@@Demun1649 That is not a boast, but I am T-Total. Prefer exercise and sport, the 2 are not compatible I am afraid.
@Demun1649
@Demun1649 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored Have you heard of Bernard Hinault? Or Sean Yates? Or Alan Peiper?
@davidholgate123
@davidholgate123 2 ай бұрын
The only use for Greek wine is either to use as vinegar on fries or to use as a cleaning product... I love Greece and they have some great produce but wine is not one of them!... I've never seen Greek wine sold in the UK and I've travelled to many countries in Europe and I've never once seen Greek wine sold or offered in any of those countries, even in international sections in supermarkets 🤔
@vapalaca
@vapalaca 4 күн бұрын
Because of people like you the prices have skyrocketed in Greece. Not fair right?
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 4 күн бұрын
Actually I am married to a Greek, and our family are Greece
@mistertigre.4611
@mistertigre.4611 2 ай бұрын
Greece is not a country to live in permanently unless you have a very high income from abroad.
@annas.5794
@annas.5794 2 ай бұрын
Where do you get a place in Greece for 250 euros? Lol
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
I believe I said 350, not 250, and round me, there are places for rent for that. Not great places, but they are available and they are liveable.
@annas.5794
@annas.5794 2 ай бұрын
@@GreeceExplored : Yes, maybe studios in sketchy areas or in small islands or cities up North.
@GreeceExplored
@GreeceExplored 2 ай бұрын
@@annas.5794 Or around the Peloponnese. Plenty here for annual rent.
@YanniVassilopoulos
@YanniVassilopoulos Ай бұрын
€350 Very common rental for 2 or even 3 bedroom apartments in many towns in Greece and in good shape. Not speaking of Athens or Thessaloniki.
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