My Dendrobium "nobile" Type Hybrids

[@angelarobins6990]

Hi Roger, I do hope you are not getting a cold, keep taking the Vit C, won't stop it but might just reduce its length. I have watched your videos for many years, always listen right to the end. You always seem to give some nugget of information that I hadn't considered., that always give me more insight into my orchid care, thanks. Long may you continue!.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

As long as I can, I will be here.

[@wandashaw3551]

Hi Roger, we really appreciate you giving us this update even though you are not feeling well. Thank you very much and take care of that cold. :)

[@beckyconnor790]

GREAT INFO! Thanks Rodger😊😊😊😊

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

You're welcome.

[@joyrevert817]

I just counted 18 Dendrobiums in my collection and was trying to sort them out. This series will really help. Thanks Roger. Hope you feel better.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

It's just a cold - it will be gone in a few days.

[@hildewilkens3772]

Very interesting - thank you, Roger - I love these series you are doing, very helpful. Hope you feel better soon - and hope that shoulder is all ok again. Enjoy the weekend.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The shoulder was a 'one-off'' - probably just slept at a strange angle. The cold? 2-3 days and it will be gone.

[@jjsdancer]

Roger hope you get to feeling better soon. I wanted to thank you because in this one video I have learned so much about everything I have been doing wrong with the den nobli I have. I pull the kikies off the base too soon. I’m not paying attention to the watering and may be over watering. Now I know about the terminal leaf at the top and what that means. My orchid Produces kikies up the wazoo instead of flowers. I now feel that I will work with this orchid totally different. I’ll hope for the best and remember that a stronger plant in the long run is better than a weak flowering orchid. Thanks you, thank you!

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Roots first, plant second, blooms last and working in that sequence, the blooms will come.

[@jjsdancer]

Yes makes perfect sense! Thank you!

[@myhandmadejournals]

Thank you for the interesting chat. Hope you feel better

[@Banano91f]

So much information, thank you Roger.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

You're welcome.

[@marjanahs9030]

Great one! Thank you. You got my junior interested as well with that sucking sound, he just burst into laughing and was : "What on earth are you watching mom?"

[@christrinder1255]

Some of mine will get a winter rest, but not all because of this years crazy growing season, some still putting out new growths and it’ll be a long time before their terminal leaf is formed, so no winter rest for those. One is still having its second flowering flush this year and it’s been going on for quite a few weeks now😅 PS yes you got it on the Burnhams coach trip👍

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Thanks - I couldn't remember which visit it came from. That's good as it means it was in bloom closer to the 'proper time' but it still didn't get time to produce full-sized new canes. Next year, it will be fine.

[@jacolynsorchids1361948friends]

Thanks Roger! still working on my nobile dendrobiums Maybe ?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Many variables.

[@peterschaffenroth8443]

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[@peterschaffenroth8443]

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[@peterschaffenroth8443]

Nur 5 kg zu senden an meinen Namen und Adresse.Nur der englisch sprechende schnabelt rum.Ist wahrscheinlich ein an gespeedeter Amerikaner im Egorausch.Hat wohl Adderal geschnupft oder geschluckt.

[@kellyduguay3368]

Hi Roger! You certainly are having some weather lately! I love a good old gully washer ⛈️! Well I have a first for me with my den. appollon. I left all my nobile types outside longer than the others and they got coooold nights and chilly days for a month before I took them in , I like preparing everything for the cooler temps that my grow room has .... wouldn't you know ..... It's blooming, and it's always bloomed in February and it's this seasons growth. I'm happy for the flowers but sad that I probably won't get those late winter blooms. Oh well, loved this video and I really enjoy your "series" videos. Good stuff 👍..... thanks for sharing.... Kelly

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I've seen a lot of the late Winter/early Spring blooming Dens. in bloom now (Northern Hemisphere) around the internet - s strange year.

[@helenhawkins4054]

Really useful informative video, thanks Roger I think I'm being to understand my dendrobiums a bit better.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

With such a vast genus, there are lots of variables.

[@lsullivan5249]

Hi Roger. By coincidence, I purchased my sweet pinky the same weekend you got yours, so I am really enjoying watching it’s progress and hearing your advice.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I'm hoping for some blooms next year.

[@haylinmilsam]

Perfect - I just got my first dendrobiums. Thank you! Get some rest.

[@richardwilliams3302]

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

You're welcome.

[@patsfreund9164]

Interesting comment from another viewer, Paul H. I purchased the majority of my Nobiles from the Yamamoto-affiliated nursery in Hawaii. Didn't realize that they were hybrids. But, I must admit that they are the best flowers and the healthiest plants that I have received. Looking forward to their flowering this year. Roger, thanks for an interesting video. (I do have one Spring Dream Apollon, mounted to an areca palm in my side yard. I hope that it might bloom this year.)

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The hybrids that come from the Yamamoto source are some of the best and are often used as the base for new hybrids to be mass-produced.

[@laurafedora5385]

Great timing, I’ve been having anxiety about my first winter with a couple of Dendrobiums 😆

[@denisesorchidparadise1411]

I don't have a Nobiles, and I only have a few Dendrobium, I do like the Starburst fire bird blooms, but I really don't grow Dendrobiums, your video has lots of great information, fun watching it!

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Thanks - the Stardust 'Fire Bird' is a notorious 'keiki machine'.

[@TrishsOrchidLife]

Recently purchased a dendrobium on sale. 47% nobile but leaves are really stiff and looks more like a dendrobium Phalenopsis- I think it was mislabeled as Den. Silky White. It has a new growth so whether a winter rest is needed or not the growth says to keep watering and fertilizing

[@TrishsOrchidLife]

Feel better soon!!!

[@carolesykes7955]

As I mentioned on fb, when I was late with the winter rest last year with one of my Nobiles because it was still growing, it produced keikis instead of flowers. In fact the same plant has recently produced another one so perhaps it's in the genes, although it was in full bloom when I bought it ??

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

When we buy the mass-produced nobile type hybrids, they are 'forced' into bloom and it can take longer for some to settle down into normal growth.

[@barbfroede1343]

I do hope your illness is short lived. Chicken soup, and lots of it may help. Roger, how do you identify different dendrobium types? Example; a nobile from a dendrobium phal? I’ve only gotten a couple from the big box store and I have 3 with very thick canes and very firm leaves, the other is a skinny flimsy sort and the leaves are very pliable and are now dying off. I assume the skinny one is a nobile, but I don’t know about the others. Thank you for all you do! You always provide excellent tutorials for those of us new to the addiction of orchid growing.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The nobile types have alternate leaves over most of the length of the canes - the canes can vary a lot in thickness. The phal types only have leaves near the tops of the canes and they are thicker more leathery.

[@marygorchidsmore2058]

Nice video on nobiles. I boight a yellow nobile no id from Morrisons two years ago which hasn't bloomed last year for me despite i treat it like my others which bloom with no problem. What do 6ou think is the problem?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Sometimes I think that first 'forced' blooming totally drains the plants and they take a while to get their strength back?

[@marygorchidsmore2058]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai Could be. I followed your advice putting it in a lighter place to see if it wilk flo5this year. Thanks for the reply.

[@pinkbeautytwinkle]

Hi Roger ! noticed in your den prima donna that the canes that have bloomed are shriveled up while the newer growths are plump. Is this normal? When the flowers opened on mine, the canes shriveled and no amount of watering has plumped them back up. What should I do? Thanks

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The old canes on some nobile type hybrids shrivel and others not so much. As long as the new canes stay plump until after blooming, everything will be fine.

[@pinkbeautytwinkle]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai Thank you!

[@tracylovisone5874]

Roger, how can you tell the difference between a nobile and a den. Phal?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The nobile types tend to have leaves over most of the length of the canes whereas the Den. phal types only have a few leaves at the top. Also, spikes can form over most of the canes on nobiles on each node opposite a leaf - the phal types push their spikes from the apex or very close.

[@Rockdoc2174]

A fellow member of the East Midlands OS, who is known for his Dendrobiums, suggested that after a cane terminates and begins to swell I should switch to a low-nitrate (bloom) fertiliser to encourage blooming. My nobile hybrids are producing nubbins now but my species hasn't started yet. It is a young plant, though, so I'm not stressing about it.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Many people have reported nobile hybrids coming into full bloom early this year - no-one seems to know why? Dropping the Nitrogen may help but if it's finished growing, it won't really need much food of any kind.

[@Rockdoc2174]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai he meant while the cane was swelling but to reduce/stop after that as you've advised.

[@michaelmccarthy4077]

What is most strange about the nobile hybrids is that the species plant looks nothing like the hybrids. The canes are much longer, totally round and not much thicker than a pencil and the leaves are smaller.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The 'look' probably depends on what's mixed in with the species.

[@olindasilva315]

I think it depends on the variety of Dendrobium nobile. Mine has short canes (compared to most hybrids) but the old ones are a bit chubby in the middle.

[@SilverDragon196]

Hi and thanks a lot for video and all information. I have one question about dendrobium nobile. I have 2 nice, big, healthy plants only they both have a curled up leaves, especially these few on a top and I wonder why are they like that? Can you please help me with this? By the way, I think that chubby, odd one is cute.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Difficult to say without seeing the plants. Leaves on older canes do die off and drop but this shouldn't happen on this year's growths.

[@SilverDragon196]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai it's this years growrh and leafs on top are the worst. I have picks in my phone but I'am not on fb, twiter..... can I upload pics elswhere? Thanks for reply.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

You can email pics to me.

[@SilverDragon196]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai mail with pics sent🙂

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I'll take a look.......

[@paulhoffman6294]

Looking at Orchidroots, seems like most of the Yamamoto Nursery nobiles are 40-50% Den.nobile, the rest being heterocarpum, findlayanum, and signatum, with tinier amounts of other species.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The nobile species is quite variable with some noted named clones with better colours/size - these are often included.

[@olindasilva315]

I think this year my Dendrobiums have anormal growth patterns: most have not stopped growing yet; some are now starting new pseudobulbs; and there are 3 with flower stems, very out of season (for example, my Dendrobium Delicatum)! I only have one Dendrobium nobile species (Dendrobium nobile cooksonianum), purchased just this year. Is it harder to make it bloom?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

The actual Den. nobile does need the Winter rest to bloom well - try and keep it cool with bright light and minimum water.

[@CatNip379]

Hello dear sir I was wondering how do you mount your orchids? Do you have a video I can watch or do you just buy them like that?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

This is probably the most detailed video showing mounting an orchid : kzbin.info/www/bejne/gorMc5iaoJiLmpo

[@kathleenlightfoot671]

Hi Roger I will try to keep it short, I have 5 cymbidium 2 small one have spikes, the big one looks like it hasn’t got enough room in the pot to push any shoots up, should I repot it or leave it? Should I start to feed it, one more question, I have a daylight, is it ok to use it? Or do I need a horticultural light, I am still having trouble with my Dendrobiums, I need to watch your video for a third time, bye

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I don't know much about Cymbidiums but if it has no room to grow, it may be best to repot it. A 'day light' probably hasn't got the full light spectrum - but some light is better than no light.

[@barryrobe]

Hi Roger, I live in Indonesia were its 35c almost every day at night about 28c, 2 seasons wet for 6 months and dry for 6 months a prefect climate for orchids in fact they grow wild here, I find it hard to follow you when you talk about seasons of course I have a few Dendrobiom and Cattleya; I tend to use my instinct about watering and think more about what they are like in the wild, I tend to water most days because of the heat but Cattleya every other day, I'm now getting some orchids from Bornio, Singapore and other different places in Indonesia, I think I'm lucky in that they seem to like how I care for them. Hope this has been of interest to you. Barry Robe.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I would like to live somewhere where my orchids could be grown outside.

[@katebeedot9052]

Hello! I have to admit I’ve not had much luck with dendrobium nobile but yes have recently been into some better two attempts - one is more or less ok, the second has shortish canes and is very busy with a ground floor of tiny little growths all leaves, baby stems and tiny keikis.. so I don’t really know what it’s up to nor what I should do to get it growing properly. Flowers all gone. I’ve moved them to my office which has sunlight from sunrise to sunset, a bit doubtful about watering them or not, but prefer to withhold water since they seem happy but look like some other plant. So what should I do? Canes moderately greenish with a few leaves but not getting any taller (no end leaves), can you help please? Thanks Roger

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

It's difficult to help without seeing the plants. If a nobile type is growing, it will need watering/feeding no matter what time of year. Recently purchased hybrids often take several years before they settle down into an annual growing cycle.

[@katebeedot9052]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai Thanks Roger for the quick reply. The main problem is with the den with its carpet of tiny little new growths (canes above are just coping): it gets enough sunlight and water, not exactly new because it arrived two months ago. If you have a receiving email I would be delighted to send you a picture. Just trying to figure out what is going on. Would fertlising just end up with a thicker “carpet”? Very pleased to follow you and like your practical approach to growing orchids (ex. cymbidium).

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

@@katebeedot9052 My email address is in the description of all the videos.

[@katebeedot9052]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai Thankyou 🤗

[@miche7032]

How often do you water your mounted Nobiles during the winter ? I’m thinking about mounting some of my keikis. Great video, very informative. Thank you for sharing.

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

This will be the first Winter where I've had mounted ones. It will as little as possible - just enough to stop the canes shrivelling. In reality about every 10 days once we get into Winter but it will still depend on weather - sunny days will be warmer so more often.

[@miche7032]

Roger's Orchids thank you. It will be my first time mounting Nobiles, we shall see.😊

[@lisadewyngaert9028]

is it a really dumb question to ask how you can tell if they are Nobile types?

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

How they grow and where they bloom from.

[@conradstarks3181]

I lost Roger half way through----- Now I am lost. Did that happen to anyone else?

[@serkanonf]

My nobile produced keikies from older cane instead of flowers.

[@sinine1100]

They seem to like doing it if it's not "the season".

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Some are more prone to producing keikis - some never do.

[@summerrobinson8411]

Have you ever grown the species Nobile? Would you want to??

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

No - the blooms don't last as long as most of the hybrids but there are some really good named clones - these are often what are used for the hybrids.

[@bigboxorchid2017]

Most people here have the spatulata or lautoria type....but that's because those two sections originate from here.

[@lynnbrooks5503]

big box orchid Where are you from?

[@bigboxorchid2017]

@@lynnbrooks5503 indonesia..I think Roger introduced my real name in the fb group. 😁

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

Growing orchids that originate from your own area must make 'orchid life' much easier.

[@bigboxorchid2017]

@@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai for spatulata dendrobiums, yes. But the lautorias are still very "misbehaving". 🤣

[@lynnbrooks5503]

big box orchid So where in Indonesia? I have been many times, Bali, Sumatra, also recently Borneo for the APOC 13.

[@helenhawkins4054]

😊✅👍

[@bonniesuekimball7550]

I could hear that you have a cold before you mentioned it. Take care .... I'm just getting over one now that I passed it on to my husband 😏

[@RogersOrchidsGardenandBonsai]

I'm lucky with colds - usually just 2-3 days and it's gone. Today (Saturday), my throat is sore so good job I have a vid already filmed so I can rest my voice until Sunday's chat.

[@ArtistBrianSheffield]

When the boardroom starts growing for profit only then Hobbyists receive third class plants. I say do not buy anything from these Corporate growers. Big companies such as Andy's Orchids in California do not use this money hungry process and produce top notch plants. Companies like that deserve my business as they grow for me not for a profit margin that must be increased at any cost. it cost them my business due to the fact that they serve themselves not customers.