My favorite Tiny Whoop so far: Rotor Riot Vision40

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00:01:29 - I would have said this was impossible!
00:02:36 - A very unconventional Tiny Whoop
00:04:53 - 1002 motors are finally well matched to 40mm props
00:07:02 - Happymodel Mob7 Frame
00:07:54 - FC: T-Motor F411 AIO
00:09:15 - Walksnail 1S video transmitter
00:11:06 - Canopy design is very thoughtful
00:11:39 - BT2.0 battery connector
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00:12:34 - You MUST use folded-cell style batteries
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00:13:40 - Why I chose 1S and not 2S
00:14:31 - Flight Test: How good does it fly?
00:17:08 - Flight Test: How fast does it go?
00:19:27 - WHY DO I LIKE THIS SO MUCH
How does the Vision40 compare to a "classic" 65mm whoop? • The most advanced 65mm...

[@user-hi5quadxplorer]

First time watching your show. Now I understand the hype. You talk education not commercial. Thank God for a person like you 🙏. Keep teaching those of us that love to learn.

[@MadRC]

I really am loving this larger whoop world we are heading into. Been flying the Pavo Pico for a few weeks and overall I’m really loving this style and size of quad.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Does it too use this same size of motors?

[@AverageFPV]

Congratulations Rotor Riot for trying and ending up with a whoop that has an AIO from last year, smaller motors than a Meteor75pro WS, the same formula and frame as the happymodel moblite7 WS and still manages to be the heaviest of the bunch - and trying to sell it for 40$ more ;)

[@lightbulbjim]

Pretty motors though :D

[@robjackson2731]

To be fair, rotor riot isnt a real drone company.. They're like a US based emax for paypigs.

[@jsnlmb42]

Rotor Rooter doesn’t do anything of their own they just🤔…take good idea from other people and slap their name on it.

[@boomermark]

@@jsnlmb42 pretty impressed so far with their backpack. And, while I would agree that they have taken the ideas of other folks, they have done a good job of putting it toether with quality materials. It looks better than many of the competing back packs too.

[@Monty_FPV]

What's a better AIO then the one the T-motor F411 1S 13A? Legitimately curious, would love an upgrade.

[@Monty_FPV]

Great specs, most terrible Rotor Riot build experience to date! Motors out of stock for month+, poor soldering w/ motor wires popping off repeatedly, VTX soldered to FC instead of power leads caused loss of signal at 3.6v AND they deleted my review and photos of shoddy workmanship. I wish they would have done better, really bummed about this whole experience.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Damn that sucks.

[@Boosted_E_]

Bardwell dropping the F bomb!? Dang, he IS just like us!

[@KOrnhOliO1]

What you like about this is the power to weight ratio. That's what is special about this whoop! 😎🤘

[@bugsy742]

Man the whole vibe of this vid was just the tonic I needed JB ✊🤗🤗🤗

[@youngster30uk]

I have the meteor 75, its basically my first quad, boy that thing has taken a beating, and it just keeps on flying. Bash it into walls, solid posts and concrete all the time. I really like the way it flies, but, it basically my first quad, so I dont have much to compare it to. I have just bought the mobula 8, batteries are charging for its first flight

[@corvinusm2081]

😂 You can always tell when JB is truly excited about a product... accidental swear! Awesome vid mate!

[@sakfpv8444]

The flywoo explorer LR video when they first came was the happiest I've ever heard him when flying maybe not the most excited, but happiest. It's almost my favorite drone also, 10 minutes of surfy cruising. Like a longboard, not catching air, no 360s but long flowy lines and rides for ever

[@dennisgort6945]

I got this one a couple of weeks ago and agree this is such a fun quad to fly

[@trajanfpv]

Wait is this a 75mm whoop? I thought they were "not good for indoors and not good for outdoors either"? Just giving you a hard time, A lot of us have liked the 75mm format the best for acro and park flying (not racing). Glad you are liking it but, now you need to try and ultra light 22g 75mm that is 32g all up, lots of fun!

[@MCsCreations]

Really interesting quad indeed, Joshua! Fantastic flying and review! 😃 Looks like we've found the perfect place for 1002 motors! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@BadRavenFPV]

Here we go again, using a suspect Happymodel frame where the USB is partially blocked by the weak battery cage crossbar. Mk 4 and HM STILL can't clear that really basic hurdle . There's really good reason why many prefer the BetaFPV Meteor frame, and that shortcoming is one of them (generally I would not touch other BetaFPV product, no fanboy here!) Also the motor to prop relationship is kV affected, but I don't think you mentioned kV? They are 22000kV. By comparison, the Happymodel Moblite7, around for some time now, is 1002 as well, but 20000kV. BTW, I'm running my Moblite7 with 4 blade Tiny/LDARC 7 props!

[@marathi22]

I do feel the star of the show here really was Rcinpower. Those motors are just so nice!

[@serenestateofbeing1062]

I got the flywoo robo 1002 2350kv motors. The purple and gold just looks so good, may i say better than the vision 40 motors

[@bkmahaffey]

85 flys so awesome! 85 is my choice! This 75 is very good with 1002. By the way, the 75 betafpv you had is the pro, which has larger props and motor span. Sorry not slaming, I'm debating. Respect!

[@tomtiny]

The first 5" I had in 2016/17 was half that price... Yeah it might fly great but the prices are getting out of hand. Its almost impossible for new people to get into the hobby when you have to spend like 1.000 bucks just to get into flying. Not a big fan of the resent developments

[@big-smoke-rc]

With this, you're paying for the paint job and the brand name. You can still build something like this for a reasonable price.

[@dakzer55]

Cannot help but think the Vision 40 is the love child of Happymodel's Mobula7, and Flywoo Firefly 1S FR16 Nano Baby. The canoy is definitely very similar to the one sold by Flywoo

[@khawajadotd]

Shouldn't your disclosure at the beginning include details about your relationship with rotor riot? I'm glad to see you address it at 21:45, but in a seemingly dismissive way. Plus, leaving it until the end kinda betrays the point of having a disclosure segment at the beginning. I don't think there's any malicious intent or anything, I enjoy your stuff and am just offering an idea for improvement.

[@big-smoke-rc]

Yeah this is pretty important, especially giving the GLOWING review

[@FischEyeFPV]

I’ve been wanting a tiny for a min. I’m sold.

[@cyruscatfisher]

Maaaate that beginning track with JB vocals needs to be released!

[@ChrisHarmon1]

Walksnail has a great picture even at 720p 100hz, but using their Avatar goggles I feel like there is some kind of disconnect that I dont feel on 720p 120hz DJI. Its doesnt studder when I rotate but there is something I cant quite put my finger on that ruins the experience. I still have only tried their 1s and 1s lite VTX/cam so I am hoping the larger V2 with low light camera might redeem the system. For now its HDZero or analog. Indoors I find analog works fine, this is coming from someone with lightest (that I know of) 65mm HDZero. HD becomes usable for continuous freestyle around 75-85mm 1s.

[@martinkorinek5489]

How does it compare to Moblite7 HDZERO 1S 75mm (29.5g)?

[@Raketemensch42]

I really wish that there was at least a single battery of indoor flight in this video. It's September in a couple of days, and we're all trying to figure out what to buy next, since... you know... Winter Is Coming.

[@blackjungle308]

I'm a little confused: If that FC is an ELRS AIO, why do I see a EP2 glued at the back of the canopy?

[@omu_fpv]

Where?

[@spoki_bones3656]

all my whoops have been flying like this for 3 years now. you need to fly more whoops homie.

[@doccock100]

you were flying digital whoops 3 years ago? The point he was making was that THIS digital whoop, flew like a whoop. You were saying that your whoop flys like a whoop.

[@spoki_bones3656]

@@doccock100 what you’re saying makes no sense and this is a comment for 3 months ago lol

[@doccock100]

@spoki_bones3656 The joys of social media are that your comments are permanent and are open for reply in a non time limited manner. Your inability to understand my point is not the same as it not making sense. In a more simplistic way for you.. his point was that digital whoops haven't flown this good because of the weight penalty of a digital system. You said yours have flown this good for the last 3 years, and the reason he was ignorant to this required him to gain more experience.... you had missed the point of his thesis as you misunderstood what I was saying... if you keep on misunderstanding others, it may be you, rather than them?

[@PowerThumb.]

Unfortunately nearly unaivalable for european customers, cause of the fact, that it's only available in US 😢😢😢

[@lievenvv]

Ive been flying 1003 18000kv motors on 2s(!), thinking i would need a throttle limit. Even on 40mm 4-blades i don't, and it freaking rips 😊

[@jameshatton4211]

Dude nice little rig you got there👌 I've got an older e-max tiny hawk modified to 3" soon getting prop guards and running jet fan props and lithium cell battery pack for longer flight times perhaps?

[@austinspired]

So I have these motors and a 1s walksnail board, is there any point in buying rhis whoop or should I just grab a frame and fc and build myself?

[@prodbysamar]

Build

[@austinspired]

@prodbysamar1948 hell I have everything I forgot. Guess I know what I'm doing tonight 😂

[@kaskalo2]

You are forgetting about yard or park. Anything outside that is still kinda tight space and might have people around. I love in building. I just get outside, sit on a bench and fly around trees, benches, bushes. This is very 75mm shines.

[@661FPV]

Obviously you haven't flown a 65mm with 0702 30,000kv motors. I really recommend you try that out. But ya this vision 40 does look like it's flying really well.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Yes I have 😊 in fact at Rampage, I flew Ciotti's 65mm build vs the vision40 back to back.

[@omu_fpv]

​@@JoshuaBardwellso you've only flown ciottis build vs the vision40?

[@Monty_FPV]

@@omu_fpv Look at his other videos homie, he has done a lot of tiny whooping. I really liked the tiny whoop race video, gives me an idea of what they are like. Looks fun!

[@omu_fpv]

@@Monty_FPV 🤣

[@TudoRC41]

What about this one and mobula8? I would like to have a tiny whoop, but now I am thinking on this video. A question: Mobula8 HD O3 will bind with my dji controller 2? Thanks bro, big fan!

[@TudoRC41]

Sorry, the question is: Does CINERACE20 O3 bind dji controller 2? Thx

[@Nullscr1pt]

Can you review a 'PID Tuned' Meteor75 Pro... I am curious what your thoughts are on it since you have alot of tinywhoops and quads.. I have a Meteor75pro tuned up and it flies like a little devil but always wondered what other tiny whoops and 1s fly like since I only know the 75pro and nothing else

[@wKich]

It's a typical build nowadays for digital 75mm, nothing special. But it might be a good choice as a bnf. For more experienced pilots is better to make custom build. There are plenty interesting frames on a market, like Ack75, F75 (or Pro Max), even Meteor75 (Pro). 1002 is a good decision for a heavy 75mm. But it's not good for doing tricks indoors. For igow I prefer lightweight under 20g 65mm frame with 35mm props

[@metalfpv]

hey, any chance to get a bf dump or the pids settings of this one ? I'd be curious to see how much better tuned it is than any other off the shelf whoop. Thanks

[@bradgibson1976]

I have the 2s version and that is amazing but too fast for indoor. Thanks JB 😊

[@MCsCreations]

Try lowering the up tilt of the camera. It always works for me to fly slower. 😊

[@bradgibson1976]

@@MCsCreations I've tried I always end up hitting something my throttle control smells bad bro. Xxxxxxx

[@MCsCreations]

@bradgibson1976 Well, in this case you need more stick time. But you're definitely going to get there. 😊

[@x73mtx]

in your video, the vision 40 looks awesome. i bought a vision 40 and haven't had good luck with it. about every third time i try to use it, i have to bind it to the controller again. it takes forever for the video signal to come on, and i can only fly it into the next room before getting land now warning. if i land and want to take off again, the video is black for about 15 seconds. is there something I'm missing as far as settings?

[@OmegaNineProfile]

Every time Joshua drops an F bomb its like hearing my dad say fuck. Even though I am probably older than he is.

[@ericaschner3283]

You're older than your dad? That's weird.

[@OmegaNineProfile]

@@ericaschner3283 Timie Wimie stuff.

[@ericaschner3283]

​@@OmegaNineProfileSpoilers. 🤫

[@Loki_Morningstar666]

I am pretty new to FPV and am just flying analog to save money so far. For digital I keep going back and forth between getting DJI goggles or Walksnail/Fatshark. Between the 1s transmitter and the HD pro with excellent low light capabilities I'm starting to lean toward the Walksnail system, I just wish it was available on more bind and fly quads.

[@Gamma-Spark]

I settled on my first quad being a skylite from rotor riot with avatar vtx and a fat shark hd dominator goggle set. Great little starter quad but the thing i am getting annoyed with is if i do want a new frame that is a bind and fly most are going to be with the dji O3 system. I will say I have settled on eventually having to purchase a dji goggle and O3 set myself but I’m a hobbyist. I love to tinker so i will play around with swapping video transmission systems in the future so i can lower my cost and just purchase new frames and build them myself. My opinion just go with one, if you want to go with walksnail/fat shark make sure to get better antennas, but you will get better clarity out of the box with DJI just plan and simple. You will also eventually get new antennas if you get a Goggles V2 which is still a great goggle set.

[@Loki_Morningstar666]

@@Gamma-Spark Thanks for the feedback!

[@redcobra1246]

If you're looking to explore, do cinematic, and get high quality footage on a medium sized drone, dji is the way to go. If you want okay footage but the ability to put it on any drone, including 1s, avatar. If you care less about footage quality or will be using a gopro and just want to go fast or have a very smooth and quick video transmission system, hdzero is the way.

[@byronrobinson8633]

Great just rub it in. I’ve been wanting to buy that so bad but it’s out of stock. I need everything, googles , remote and the whoop. Come on rotor riot and get it back in stock!

[@AllAroundTube50]

Question: If I have one of the original Fat Shark Dominator Analog goggles (8 years old), can I add the Walksnail Avatar VRX / Kits - would that then allow me to use the drone above with the old analog goggles?

[@jeevandewee]

Still waiting for my 1S version to clear customs, can't wait to try it out :D

[@JonR35]

Looks like a mobula/moblite 7 frame, props, canopy. But if its tuned good then thats all that matters. Does Rotor Riot not offer analog anymore?

[@jonhoyles714]

i built up a betafpv 75x frame a while back on 2s analog video with that old mocking bird tune and was a absolute beast two fast for indoors tho 😊

[@Mupshot]

Is the battery toilet tanked like the mob7hd? I blew an esc on the superbee board. Minor crash but still a crash. But i think the 1002 motors may have been too much for the flying i eas trying to do for IGOW

[@FERNANDOPR_FPV]

7:35 I have the meteor 75(2021 version) since 2022 and still flys today. The frame is great, I crashed that thing so many times that in some moments, I thought the frame broke but, it still good and strong. Been from betafpv, I give at least credit for that.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

happymodel should take all the credit not some nobody like rotor riot

[@stinkerton]

Ahh, the opinion of user-yk1cw8im4h, so valuable.

[@glitches911]

Agreed. They just put some parts together. Same as tinywhoop. I don't even know how they are brands. They just build stuff...

[@661FPV]

The only happymodel part is the frame and the Ep2....

[@glitches911]

The only rotor riot part is the tune....

[@prodbysamar]

100%. Happymodel been selling this for TIME. Rotor riot just remade it and it's more expensive

[@zeta7SoloFPV]

Out of stock😞. I wonder how this would work in a Meteor75 pro frame with 45mm props? I'm running HappyModel 1102s on my analog(mobula7) setup using the pro frame and noticed a huge difference when I switched from the 0802s.

[@KimFusedFPV]

Same, I picked one up at Rampage and this little sucker is so darn fun!!

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

Nice quad. Lost me @ Walksnail. If I had Walksnail I’d definitely buy that little quad.

[@johnkurpiewski3996]

I’m getting a 75 it’s gonna be a mob 7 for my birthday this month . I want to upgrade from my old tinyhawk .

[@diggsit69]

JB, what about the Mobula 7 1S It’s one that I own an I think it Flys great, how do they compare to you?

[@undasoundrecords757]

If it made you curse it got to be good! 😂

[@miquelmarti6537]

Flies great, but.... at what voltage will the video link be cut?

[@jasonsuffolk]

If you throttle hard on the 1s version when the power is low does it cause the video to stop ?

[@OscarTRob]

hey joshua, this thing looks rad and runs my classic orange and blue combo. i noticed its the same prop size and motor size as the flywoo fr16? which i own the hdzero version of. yet this whoop with a 450 is somehow way heavier even when talking about the walksnail fr16 running a 750mah

[@SeveSchFPV]

Yes Joshua you are on the right track. Ditch the propguard and it really flies like a 5" drone, trust me. 😎 Switch to a proper carbon frame and you have it. Yeah 1002 motors soldered on👌🏽

[@Monty_FPV]

What carbon frame would you recommend for the vision40 1s?

[@mark6302]

just get a flywoo@@Monty_FPV

[@SeveSchFPV]

@@Monty_FPV The best fit for the RCinPower 1002 22000KV is a 75mm frame with 1s. I design my own carbon frames.

[@larsulrich3356]

Anyone have any ideas on how to implement a remote control tank with full turret movement range at 360 degrees without the turret being limited to the rear? Headless mode system may work?

[@sten6537]

Would a 5A ESC handle these motors?

[@boostinjdm]

I believe the meteor 65 is the beta frame that is so good. The meteor 75 is good too, but only really fits beta batteries and that's a problem. The mob7 v4 beats it pretty much on that alone. The mob7 v4 is also pretty tough.

[@LeachFPV]

Hey Joshua so I crashed my green hornet and lost video and now it won’t connect to beta flight and when I have the video transmitter plugged in the green light on my flight controller goes off leaving just a white led and kills power to the receiver… would this be a problem with the success-e mini f7 FC or the video transmitter

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I would say the FC is the problem.

[@joerocket1977]

I have the meteor 75 2022 and have broken the canopy but never the frame.

[@TWEECH45]

You gotta build a 17 gram meteor65 with a diamond, 26000kv motors, pinch cam with mcstinky mount.

[@ericaschner3283]

Gotta say, I love the Flywoo nano 1s but even if I put on prop guards there's no way I'm flying indoors. Just a bit too fast. 😂

[@automaton450]

Just received my Firefly Nano Baby 1S, only flown it indoors with the prop guards, which I was never planning to do, I have a BF Meteor75Pro for indoors. But the Firefly flies so much better than the Meteor, even with the big prop guards on, it is so smooth, the tune is so good, I would much rather fly it indoors with the prop guards than the Meteor.

[@CriticoolHit]

I want to know how you felt about the 2s variant over the 1s.

[@ATRMadcatz]

Heya love the videos, have you considered covering any of FRSky's tandem series transmitters and recievers, its been a few years since they've been released and have had very little coverage online

[@richardsharpe6113]

What do you need with one of these? The drone, a controller and goggles? What is the lowest cost way to put this together?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Rotor Riot has a complete starter kit that has everything you need.

[@xj_fpv]

Cool, but now I'm just interested in more lofi with Bardwell quotes.

[@gonzoruss6100]

What does it means 1s and other s, like 6s? Im newbie

[@lion13cher]

Could you share pid settings for this setup please?

[@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc]

I’m all for a analog version.

[@stevegigg6066]

Have you reviewed sub250 Nanofly 1S ????

[@jay_dooki_dook7643]

why does mine disconnects from the goggles when i barley crash?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

That's not normal. Contact rotor Riot support.

[@modquad18]

If not for the terrible in-line battery tray, this might have been one to get.

[@SeeFPv-qm6ie]

do you know if you can install a walksnail module on the dji goggles 2 or integras

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You cannot.

[@powersv2]

Is that a slack line or hammock?

[@stephsoulard2718]

How about Sub250 Whoopfly16 rtf, this would be an awesome review. Maybe it could be a better competitor. Just saying...

[@athenovae]

How does it compare to Mobula 7 1S? 😮

[@flyinbots]

I think I'll get some 1002 Motors to breathe some life into the old Mobula6 HD that I put in a 75mm frame, it's just too underpowered to be fun so 1002s may be the answer.

[@testpilotian3188]

I really wish Walksnail would make the 1s vtx’s compatible with the DJI Google’s, Drew was quiet vocal at launch of the Fatshark system that it could/may be possible, yes I know that is supporting a rivals product but it’s really not, you see I already have the DJI Google’s, I will NOT be buying a second set of £500 to save maybe 10 grams on a build, I’ll just buy the Mobula8 and put in a naked vista kit in it for this winter or go back to analogue, so making the 1s walksnail vtx “compatible” with the DJI system would open up Walksnail to a market who simply won’t buy their product otherwise since they’re already digital.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It will never happen. It never was. Going to happen. DJI would shit themselves.

[@Monty_FPV]

DJI has enough money and tech to R&D a 1s VTX solution, it's just not the market they are interested in. That is how Walksnail slips in behind you and fills those gaps. DJI does not want to fill your gap, my guy :)

[@saviosaltamontes462]

What goggles did you use for this drone?

[@Ptorpong]

How about transmission power are you using, is it 25mw? I found 1s cannot use 200mW. 😢

[@JoshuaBardwell]

1s can go up to 350 mW as far as I know.

[@Ptorpong]

@@JoshuaBardwell But after the voltage drops below 3.4 or 3.3 volts, the output power will decrease significantly. It might only be as low as 25mW. I observed this from the blurry image in the goggles. Have you not experienced such symptoms?

[@zelvard]

its little bit heavier than moblite7 ws (34 gramm) with same motors and same frame...

[@susgreg]

250 for it, thats crazy😫

[@big-smoke-rc]

It's 250!? 😂😂😂😂

[@GhostRyderFPV]

Did you see him disrespect that Mobula? poor little fella *_Now come here so I can crash you properly!_*

[@memeuridedimineata]

that swear earned you my like lol

[@big-smoke-rc]

I'd rather buy a happymodel, tune it myself, and enjoy the satisfaction of not supporting some lame, morally handicapped clickfarm.

[@CrowbarCromar]

Can you use the dji goggles and rc with it

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No. Walksnail vTX can only work with Walksnail goggles.

[@tb_fpv4379]

Why is nobody talking about the happymodel moblite 7 walksnail it is 5 grams lighter and basicly the same platform. (Sorry for bad english)

[@electrobus5095]

I have it but sadly I don't have time to get a good tune for it and standardweise it wobbles like crazy

[@johngreen5837]

Better than my mobula 7 hd?

[@THEBIGK4HUN4]

Can you fly this with the DJI googles v2

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No. You'd need a quad with DJI vTX in it. The Flywoo Flylens is pretty close to that.

[@ChristopherCClark]

Gonna be hard to convince me anything is better than the Mob7

[@MrNice447]

can i fly this drone with the DJI Googles 2 and the RC2?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No. This drone has Walksnail video transmitter in it. Goggles 2 and RC2 only work with O3 video transmitter.

[@MrNice447]

@@JoshuaBardwell thx you are the best

[@MrPaulielie]

Awesome 👏

[@MegaMathew79]

Josh, You are the entry point for FPV for so many people, I implore you to review current performance whoop offerings, I understand you have a commercial relationship with rotor riot, honestly this is not a good buy for a person looking for a performance ws whoop. Look at what any of the top 50 pilots are flying in the IGOW competition. There is not a great deal of variety there, it's pretty cut and dry what the best performance freestyle tiny whoop is today. This is not it. It is a shame you are misleading folk, although, perhaps not maliciously. Please do a little homework and see what the best freestyle pilots on earth are currently flying.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I review lots of different gear not only "the best". And what's best for performance pilots winning IGOW is not necessarily best for a beginner just starting out. Which one do you think I should review?

[@MegaMathew79]

Thankyou for replying Josh! Let's start be being clear - I'm very grateful for you Josh, you taught me FPV, please don't take my comments as inflammatory, rather constructive, I'd love beginners to be able to enjoy whoops as much as I do. It would be amazing to see you review the Fractal 75 BNF (fractal engineering). @@JoshuaBardwell

[@marcynarcy]

Radio master pocket 🥺

[@helidude71]

Nice, but unobtainium in the EU.

[@Hwyw]

Hi Joshua

[@somebody3524]

fan showdown?

[@AB-vc7ox]

So... does that have RID built in? Apparently we need that if we're making money off vids even flying indoors. (just underscoring the idiocy)

[@mad_caterpillar7725]

i strongly disagree with the message in this video about tiny whoops.... 31mm at 28g is as capable as any 5" i own. My 2s 31mm is 32g auw and it can definitely pull out of dives.