My favourite opera high notes Eb6 - Joan Sutherland & Maria Callas

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9 жыл бұрын

"La Divina" - Nữ thần Maria Callas và "La Stupenda" - Điều tuyệt diệu Joan Sutherland là hai người có những nốt Eb6 ấn tượng nhất trong giới opera :))
Các bạn hãy tham gia vào cuộc thảo luận ở đây ^_^
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@Knappa22
@Knappa22 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what two superstars!! I find Joan Sutherland’s voice to be beautiful beyond words.
@KBGWorld29
@KBGWorld29 3 ай бұрын
Today, I wish to find a soprano with Sutherland’s technique and Callas’ dramatic interpretation. Joan and Maria were MASTERS of the craft!
@danielintheantipodes6741
@danielintheantipodes6741 8 жыл бұрын
I admire both of them. Just amazing. And Sills too. I suppose I feel a real sense of loss that so little of Callas's visual performances have been preserved. What a pity.
@Shahrdad
@Shahrdad 5 жыл бұрын
Callas's highest notes were an integral extension of her upper register, whereas Sutherland seems to have stumbled upon a new register for those highest notes. In her pre-weight-loss prime, Callas could sail up to an E-flat or even an E natural "as easily as drinking a glass of water" (as Simionato described it) without ever needing to pause or prepare (listen to her Turco segement from 1950, or her proch variations, or Sempre Libera from 1952). Sutherland, on the other hand, always needed a pause or a preparatory note to bounce into the highest register, which you can see her doing it in the first segment on this video. The notes also seemed to resonate differently: Callas's high E-flats resonated in the mask, just like the rest of her upper register, where as Sutherland's seemed to resonate farther up and back, which was unique. She also said that during a recording, one of the chorus members behind her told her, "When you hit those high notes, it seems like you're singing backwards." Sutherland always said that she felt those notes resonating in the back of her head. As late as 1957, Callas could start an E-flat fortissimo and then do a diminuendo to a pianissimo (Sonnambula), but I have never heard Sutherland modulate the E-flat, even though she might have been able to. Overall, they were both unique singers which have had no equal since they departed the operatic scene. Historically, Callas is the more important of the two, for her musicianship, her interpretive genius, her magnetism on stage, and her ability to condense the essence of a character into the tone of voice. Sutherland was a great vocalist, but she never had the thousands of colors available to Callas, but she had the vocal beauty that Callas wasn't blessed with. I find Sutherland a very committed interpreter, and I think she often gets short shrift on her interpretive abilities and commitment, most likely because of her poor diction. Ethan Mordden said it best when he wrote, "Where Callas was the great singer often dismissed as an actress, Sutherland was the great singer often dismissed as. . . a great singer."
@3uHo4ka
@3uHo4ka 5 жыл бұрын
I always agree with your opinion, but not here. Young Callas had a stunningly beautiful voice for me, better than Sutherland, better than anyone else.
@Shahrdad
@Shahrdad 5 жыл бұрын
@@3uHo4ka Her voice was beautiful, but not in the conventional Tebaldiesque way. To me, the beauty of her voice was like the beauty of Sophia Loren: The individual parts might not be that beautiful by themselves, but the whole put together was stunning and fascinating.
@julianlucido1426
@julianlucido1426 4 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting you bring this up. Whenever I hear Sutherland, I just hear a true dramatic soprano longing to reveal herself. I think if Sutherland had further developed her voice, she would have been a HUGE dramatic soprano. Maria was a legitimate dramatic coloratura, fully developed, who had a decline.
@dankurth4232
@dankurth4232 3 жыл бұрын
@ Shahrdad A very definitive and detailed comment
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 3 жыл бұрын
As “late” as 1957 in her early 30s. Lol. The Callas voice was a mess.
@delibeslakme6451
@delibeslakme6451 Жыл бұрын
Los sobre agudos de la Sutherland son bellisimos!!!!
@wotan10950
@wotan10950 9 жыл бұрын
The incredible thing is that these high notes are from big voices like Sutherland and Callas. I had the great privilege of seeing Sutherland several times in the theater - in opera, concert, and recital. I'm too young to have ever seen Callas though.
@khoatranvantrong9199
@khoatranvantrong9199 9 жыл бұрын
So lucky of you ^_^ I havent had the chance to see any of them live but sure even from these recordings they sound incredible :) Too bad my video skills are limited this is all I can do =))
@debbiejohnson2789
@debbiejohnson2789 2 жыл бұрын
Callas was only about 3 years older than Sutherland .
@LaDivinaLover
@LaDivinaLover 2 жыл бұрын
@@debbiejohnson2789 yes but callas voice gave out in the 60s and you couldn’t get tickets for her small tour in the ‘70s. She then died in ‘77 with her voice getting back into shape to boot. She was only 53. Sutherland on the other hand didn’t stop singing until the ‘90s.
@fabriziogarzi9892
@fabriziogarzi9892 Жыл бұрын
​@@LaDivinaLover , hanno avuto due vicende umane completamente diverse e sono convinto che sono stati i due soprani piu' importanti e decisivi del XX secolo. Ne stiamo ancora parlando.
@eiriniseltsika8697
@eiriniseltsika8697 Жыл бұрын
Η Σάντερλαντ σπουδαία, πλησίασε την Κάλλας αλλά δέν είναι ΚΑΛΛΑΣ
@bunca7451
@bunca7451 4 жыл бұрын
Eb6 của Joan Sutherland lộng lẫy và đẹp đẽ đến vô cùng
@anibaldk
@anibaldk Жыл бұрын
I personally prefer Sutherland's voice but both talents beyond human comprehension.
@stephenfletcher6801
@stephenfletcher6801 5 жыл бұрын
LOVE that you ended with Callas’ E flat from Mexico Aïda.........an historic moment in vocal sound, in my opinion. Both ladies were a blessing to all of us, but OPERA is, or should be, so much more than the highest notes. Opera is drama......and from that perspective there simply is no comparison: Callas La Divina!
@MiguelArcangel-zi7xd
@MiguelArcangel-zi7xd 5 ай бұрын
Joan Sutherland Perfección!!!
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 3 жыл бұрын
para mi callas.................es ....grande...............sin duda................pero sutherland......................es algo mas..............................su voz..........es un cumulo de sonidos....................imposibles de igualar............................es una voz.................imposible...................pero reaL EN ELLA......................ES MAS QUE NATURAL......................ES UNA IMPOSTACION......INCALCULABLE...............................................
@luistaus
@luistaus 3 жыл бұрын
Woww Maria Callas !!!!
@neuberg7315
@neuberg7315 8 жыл бұрын
I also had the privilege of seeing Sutherland several times and meeting her twice - what a lovely lady she was. But her top notes don't carry anything like as much meaning as Maria Callas'. Callas dug into the score and brought expression to the repertoire that nobody else has ever done before nor since.
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, she dug so much the prompter has to throw her even the simplest lyrics.
@neuberg7315
@neuberg7315 8 жыл бұрын
I don't think that you understand the prompter system (especially in those days) The prompter sang along - in the prompt box - from his score the whole way through the Opera. You could choose to follow him / or not. In Callas case he was not necessary but for other artists on stage (in performance) to key into he could be vital. It was very much the old way of doing things - Opera was not as 'produced' and 'directed' as it is now. I am sorry that you misunderstood this.
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
Got any more tall tales for YT? We'd love to hear them.
@neuberg7315
@neuberg7315 8 жыл бұрын
That was rather a cheap response
@NLidar
@NLidar 6 жыл бұрын
Macho Voce As you are so pathetic, let me get down to your level and respond (otherwise you won't understand); Who the f*ck do you think you are?
@123pailin
@123pailin 9 жыл бұрын
Callas in her prime had all those fantastic high notes always embedded in the action (never just high notes for the sake of high notes) and Sutherland s high notes are glorious but over time became her raison d etre....Never mind...both attitudes are thrilling....
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
+123pailin Callas "prime" was over at age 30.
@123pailin
@123pailin 8 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but how glorious she was in her prime...don t gorget that she started at age 15. Better a short splendour of unheard brillance than so many who never got where she went...
@vettegaddia6234
@vettegaddia6234 8 жыл бұрын
+123pailin And Sills started at 8.
@123pailin
@123pailin 8 жыл бұрын
So what? Sills did not sing Santuzza and Suor Angelia at age 15.. Callas also performed in school performances from an early age on. (Not professionally as Beverly did). The preferred son of young Maria was "La Paloma" which had a revival in the US because it was the theme song of the movie "Juarez" with Bette Davis as Empres Carlota de Mexico.
@vettegaddia6234
@vettegaddia6234 8 жыл бұрын
123pailin I'm not saying bubbles is near Joan or maria. I only mention it bc you said Callas started singing when she was 15. The video of Maria at 15 is not available. The one with Bubbles at 8 is on the tube and she nails Bacio. If only she did not have a flea of a voice she may a real rival to Joan and Maria.
@sirtom23
@sirtom23 5 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the premise of these kind of videos. They are both absolutely exceptional vocalists and trying to compare them is really a waste of everyone's time at the end of the day. Can we not just enjoy their exquisite talent and be happy with that?
@corneliuswhite5139
@corneliuswhite5139 6 жыл бұрын
This is glorious to hear!
@mathieumaurermasson9
@mathieumaurermasson9 5 жыл бұрын
I like maria callas.
@luanllluan
@luanllluan 2 жыл бұрын
Listen to both of them together is so wonderful!
@lydiaguarro
@lydiaguarro 8 жыл бұрын
Maria Callas, inolvidable, incomparable, inimitable
@anettaamneris4704
@anettaamneris4704 7 жыл бұрын
Opera is not only high notes, the greatness of Callas is not really only a perfection of the voice and technique and so on, but mainly because she could express the whole range of emotions in her singing, she was not playing operas but living in them. For example, when others portraying Medea, she IS Medea. Sutherland has an extremely rare and beautiful voice, but she simply singing the words, not feeling them and she was't acting on stage like Callas. I love both, however Maria is incomparable to nobody. She's unique.
@tonytony8747
@tonytony8747 5 жыл бұрын
That's true. But the title of this thread is high notes. So that's what we are commenting on. Callas is the finer artist. Sutherland has the finer voice and high notes. Both are the greatest!
@robertn800
@robertn800 3 жыл бұрын
Vocal gymnastics & high note vocal gymnastics 💥 do not move me. Callas was so nearsighted she was practically blind- could only see clearly about a foot in front of her, she’d have to memorize the stage, couldn’t see the conductor & onstage was in sort of a cocoon, where thru her studies & emotions she Became the character she was portraying thus passing on and adding Emotion to Opera. 💔 These emotions are felt in pure vocals too. 🎶
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonytony8747 finerrrr voice? Sutherland has underdeveloped chest voice and you called it finer than Callas?????????????????? What???
@elmestitzo
@elmestitzo Жыл бұрын
The greatest Maria Callas. Η δικια μας...
@MrStpendouslvforjo
@MrStpendouslvforjo 9 жыл бұрын
GOOD JOB!! I've been waiting for someone to do a just Callas and Sutherland Comparison/Tribute! Some of your examples were of the High D and a High C....but I loved your video just as much! I think your LAST two examples were perfectly placed!
@stevenkeller8042
@stevenkeller8042 9 жыл бұрын
Well, that was great fun. I'm always amazed at that high Eb at the end of the triumphal scene in Aida! george prentice
@MrStpendouslvforjo
@MrStpendouslvforjo 8 жыл бұрын
Steven Keller me too!! She probably KILLED and DEMOLISHED the poor tenor!! Lol
@stephengneri2136
@stephengneri2136 Жыл бұрын
I have always found the concentration of pure talent in so few to be confusing. Love both these Ladies.
@mrlatreo
@mrlatreo 5 жыл бұрын
Me parece que el mi bemol alt de La Callas en Aida en el palacio de Bellas Artes en la ciudad México es el más hermoso e impresionante, porque se destaca prístino sobre la masa coral y los demás solistas.
@Rosseroni88
@Rosseroni88 11 ай бұрын
Omg those last two clips are my favorite from both of them!!!
@gerardmignon700
@gerardmignon700 5 жыл бұрын
Maria maria et encore maria !!!!
@brunopicaude3092
@brunopicaude3092 Жыл бұрын
The two queens of the "trillo".
@markdrinkwater1508
@markdrinkwater1508 3 жыл бұрын
Callas has no rivals, she said it herself. "Rivals I do not have."
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, she made sure of that when she stopped singing any role Sutherland sang on stage.
@markdrinkwater1508
@markdrinkwater1508 2 жыл бұрын
@@jondavwal13 Rubbish, she never stopped singing the roles that Sutherland sung, why would she when she had always sang them better and more people wanted to hear her than hear Sutherland. Sunderland couldn't keep up and could never outsing Callas, even when Callas' top voice began to struggle she still sounded better than Sutherland, who sounded like an old lady, an ugly voice totally lacking in soulfulness, her bel canto agility was never on a par with Callas and her dramatic belting could never sound as hauntingly good. Art is about moving the human soul and no exhibition of sustained high E can ever substitute for that.
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@jondavwal13 hah Sutherland has underdeveloped chest voice lol.
@eloyguevara9447
@eloyguevara9447 Жыл бұрын
yo lo unico que puedo decir......................es que callas...........tenia voz..................apasionante.........pero joan sutherland.......................tenia............voz inmensa................y con una atmosfera...........apabullante................superior.....................capaz de sumergirnos en situciones animicas...............incomparables............................
@camnguyen5575
@camnguyen5575 2 жыл бұрын
Woww. I like Maria Callas
@onigbajamo
@onigbajamo 3 жыл бұрын
Y'all can't just enjoy some beautiful high notes from some of the greatest sopranos ever, uhn?
@robertn800
@robertn800 3 жыл бұрын
No. I listen for emotion not fireworks💥
@onigbajamo
@onigbajamo 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertn800 If you listen for emotion, you wouldn't be listening to a compilation of high notes.
@robertn800
@robertn800 3 жыл бұрын
@@onigbajamo One can listen for Curiosity 😼 or Amusement 😺or to compare Singers. I don’t know much about Joan - now I know more. 🙀 I have a thirst for knowledge 😽
@user-ls7nk4do4c
@user-ls7nk4do4c 6 жыл бұрын
Which songs are they? Haven’t heard some of them
@renepariente7675
@renepariente7675 5 жыл бұрын
R.Pariente: Admirable.
@user-jt4js7ed3e
@user-jt4js7ed3e 4 жыл бұрын
Люблю.
@shaundudley4576
@shaundudley4576 3 жыл бұрын
No denying the splendor of Sutherland high register its radiance and lovelyness is indeed a marvel. Distinctive in quality and character. If you heard one you heard them all. That goes for the climactic notes and for her trills. Splendid as they are. Callas gave us everything in every way different to fit the musical and dramatic context. Had we comparable record of her early performances as we do of Sutherland there would be no debate on this matter.
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 2 жыл бұрын
Um, all of these performances of Callas are before the age of 35. All of the Sutherland performances are after age 35. WTF are you talking about? Callas had a 5 year peak. Sutherland, 25 years. Maybe you weren't aware of this but they were contemporaries born three years apart. Callas's voice was gone when Sutherland was just getting started. Callas basically stopped singing operatic roles in the early 60s and Sutherland made her Met debut in 1961. We have all the recordings of Callas we need, practically all of them that were listenable. The rest are torture.
@shaundudley4576
@shaundudley4576 2 жыл бұрын
@@jondavwal13 Um. I don't understand your hostility. Sutherland's splendor is unquestionable. I am merely contrasting the scope of Callas who indeed tortured the ear as much as the heart frequently in the same moment to uniquely impactfull effect. Sutherland was her virtuosic beauty, without it she was nothing. Callas even when she lost vocal health could still, even with enhanced power and profundity, deliver her artistry by those very compromised means. This cannot be said of Sutherland or really anybody else. And I mean that Callas' short period of full splendor, "her fat years" are meagerly represented in recordings and those that best demonstrate her at her most prodigious (the live recordings) are in very bad sound. Those are just unfortunate facts that I wish were different. Her career and the fate of her voice are historical facts that leaves us with the legacy for which we must be grateful. I just wish we had better record of it.
@michelp.vanwelkenhuyzen2623
@michelp.vanwelkenhuyzen2623 6 жыл бұрын
Joan Sutherland est la perfection de la voix humaine; Maria Callas a quelque chose de trop, à vouloir être divine. Quoiqu'il en soit, deux voix exceptionnelles, même si ma préférence va plutôt vers Sutherland.
@wilsonwatt9283
@wilsonwatt9283 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, but this really does not show the true grandeur of either singer. Callas altered the sound of her voice for each character she sang and without the full aria or scene the high notes cannot show that supreme singing/acting combination. Sutherland achieved dramatic impact via the enormous size of her voice, her ability to maintain the smoothness of the center of the voice across an extraordinary range, and her extremely careful use of fioritura. neither singer can be compared in any real musical way to the other even though their repertoire overlapped to a great extent. Each has a unique and probably never to be heard again perfoming persona.
@clefnoteproductions6695
@clefnoteproductions6695 2 ай бұрын
To think there were 3 years between the two. Sutherland was born in 1926, and Maria Callas was born in 1923
@xxsaruman82xx87
@xxsaruman82xx87 4 жыл бұрын
Cotrubas also had wonderful high notes.
@mortenhjelt823
@mortenhjelt823 Жыл бұрын
Cotrubas never had good high D’s and E flat’s
@salvadormelendez9432
@salvadormelendez9432 2 жыл бұрын
LA VOZ DE LA CALLAS ES Y SERÁ POR LA ETERNIDAD IRREMPLAZABLE.
@eberlinpascal2837
@eberlinpascal2837 3 жыл бұрын
Les deux reines du contre mi bémol ,entre autres choses bien sûr .Cela me fait sourire lorsque certaines personnes disent que Callas n'avait pas de notes aiguës !
@-giakhanh--kayden-8337
@-giakhanh--kayden-8337 2 жыл бұрын
okay i'm pretty sure that the owner posted this so that we can APPRECIATE what these two brought to the Opera stage, so please stop with the arguing that who was the best (since none of that ever exists). Peace.
@eberlinpascal2837
@eberlinpascal2837 Жыл бұрын
Maria Callas by far
@stanley631h6
@stanley631h6 5 жыл бұрын
Team Sutherland
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 7 жыл бұрын
y en la opera ocurre mas de lo mismo..........................por eso no esta en sus mejores momentos...........................
@vocalsvideos458
@vocalsvideos458 3 жыл бұрын
7:49
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 5 жыл бұрын
QUERIDOS AMIGOS LAS GRANDES NOTAS...................NO SON LO QUE DECIS.................LAS GRANDES NOTAS SOLO SE PUEDEN HACER CUANDO SE TIENEN VOCES ADECUADAS.......Y ESO NO ES CUALQUIER COSA....AL CONTRARIO..................ES DE LA MAXIMA DIFICULTAD.................NO TODOS LOS ALARIDOS SON GRANDES NOTAS...................NO OS EQUIVOQUEIS.................LAS GRANDES NOTAS............SOLO SE DEMUESTRAN MOSTRANDO EL CANTO EL TODO EL CONTENIDO DEL ARIA.................PARA LO CUAL HAY QUE TENER UNA GRAN PREPARACION...........Y DONES DE LOS DIOSES................NO ES CUALQUIER COSA.................TENER UN FINAL.FULMINANTE........SOLO LO PUEDEN TENER.....QUIEN TIENE LAS CUALIDADES ADECUADAS..............Y HAY MUY POCAS...........SOPRANOS Y MEZZO........QUE PUEDEN TENER EL GRAN DON DEL CANTO.................LA OPERA.NO ES LA MUSICA MODERNA AFORTUNADAMENTE..........ES UN ESTATUS MAS MARAVILLOSO...................
@JoanSutherlandFan
@JoanSutherlandFan 6 жыл бұрын
Each singer with their respectible techniques, remarkleable performances... Joan's notes emission is far superior, maybe because she perfected this part of her voice, she sing comfortable the high notes, all the scales, trills etc. Callas' voice in this requisite have a loss of sound when she are going high (some cases she use the pianissimo to mask this...). But using good recordings for both we can say that are incomparables.
@eberlinpascal2837
@eberlinpascal2837 Жыл бұрын
Ridicule commentaire.
@JoanSutherlandFan
@JoanSutherlandFan Жыл бұрын
@@eberlinpascal2837 An unnecessary opinion by an unnecessary person.
@eberlinpascal2837
@eberlinpascal2837 Жыл бұрын
@@JoanSutherlandFan ok my darling ♥️
@jorgealbertojoselettera4829
@jorgealbertojoselettera4829 3 жыл бұрын
Joan Sutherland!!!!!
@gayoperadude63
@gayoperadude63 5 жыл бұрын
The Caro Nome excerpt with Callas is a high E. I Purtani with Sutherland is a high D.
@stefanodepeppo
@stefanodepeppo 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. Callas' "Caro nome ends with a high E flat because in Mexico City she transposed down the aria half step. For Puritani you are right.
@Dadacomero
@Dadacomero 9 жыл бұрын
Dame Joan wins of course you can compare her high notes to no one else's . l love Callas but her top register always sounded painful
@mrb8993
@mrb8993 4 жыл бұрын
painful indeed - nothing surmounts La Stupenda
@robertn800
@robertn800 2 жыл бұрын
So go listen to Mariah Carey & her Whistle singing- you’ll just love that & feel no emotion 😐
@cosimoepicoco7022
@cosimoepicoco7022 Жыл бұрын
Nessuno come la Callas!
@learningbeing7608
@learningbeing7608 6 жыл бұрын
GODDESS OF OPERA: CALLAS: SHARP DRAMATICO CABALLE: SOFT PIANISSIMO
@thewaywelooktoartists3684
@thewaywelooktoartists3684 2 жыл бұрын
about the various : Callas > Joan about the technique : Joan > Callas And both they are excellent and imcompare🥰
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
Technique Sutherland above Callas? You mean with that underdeveloped chest voice? Shitty diction? Constricted high notes?
@thewaywelooktoartists3684
@thewaywelooktoartists3684 2 жыл бұрын
@@awokwok1029 Joan's high note is better( just a little bit)
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewaywelooktoartists3684 not better than Callas big E flat from Aida 1951 tho...
@thewaywelooktoartists3684
@thewaywelooktoartists3684 2 жыл бұрын
@@awokwok1029 but Joan is better in Mad Sence of Lucia Di Lammermoor! That Eb6 is the best quaility ever
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewaywelooktoartists3684 no. Callas has heroic quality and she has more squillo... Unlike Sutherland.
@janenotneed5602
@janenotneed5602 8 жыл бұрын
Stupido,s ,LA DIVINA ASSOLUTO !! La stupenda . ? comparing not posible !!
@fernandodc5146
@fernandodc5146 3 жыл бұрын
And when you say that you lost your hearing?
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly Sutherland's performances here are all after the age of 34 and Callas's were all before the age of 34 (her voice was in tatters at 35). It also must be noted that Callas never sang a role again after Sutherland performed it. Sutherland sang well into her 60s and until the very last years, quite well. I think they were both great artists and both great singers and it was a matter of priorities who you prefer. I have only seen one artist in my entire life who embodied the character of both and she was not a singer. Ballet dancer Gelsey Kirkland had the technical perfection of a Sutherland and the dramatic commitment and artistry of a Callas. The combination probably led to the greatest performances by a ballerina ever given. However, having so much drove her insane and to drugs. Her memoir "Dancing on My Grave" gives you insight into what it was like to be able to do anything technically with a desire to imbue everything with meaning.
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
Funny, Callas sang super heavy roles more than Sutherland sang in her entire career. That mosquito, constricted voice can't even complete with Callas's squillante, squillo and CHIAROSCURO.
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@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 4 ай бұрын
@electricxcircus4020all nonsense. Callas was done at 35. She was a vocal disaster and always was. Just because she stupidly sang all the heavy roles doesn’t mean she sang any of them well. It was a circus act that destroyed her voice. So go away. The lengths of their careers speak for themselves. Having seen Sutherland live your description of her voice means you’re ignorant or deaf. Yeah Sutherland got a wobble at an age when Callas was dead having not sung for 15 years.
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 4 ай бұрын
@@awokwok1029Yes. She sang them. Badly. Your description of Sutherland’s voice borders on comical. But I won’t make fun of a deaf person.
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 7 жыл бұрын
algo que no existe en las cantantes actuales...............falta de alma.....interpretación.........y de estado anímico operístico.........................
@joaosousaoficial2562
@joaosousaoficial2562 8 жыл бұрын
STUPENDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! BRAVA JOAN SUTHERLAND FOREVER! PERFECT VOICE!
@renepariente7675
@renepariente7675 5 жыл бұрын
René Pariente Merveilleuse Joan Sutherland
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 5 жыл бұрын
The main difference between comparing these two is that with Callas you have a career with 5-10 famous hight notes (the "Mexican Aida" for example) that every one of her fans talks about ad nauseam. On the whole, except for these notes, her high notes could have been categorized as a fire warning. Sutherland has no such notes to speak of as for about 10-15 years of her career all of her high notes were perfect and consistent and beautiful. Even this video includes that hideous Callas top Lucia note which sounds like she's slowly trilling on thirds so you get to the bad ones pretty quickly if you count down. Callas had things to recommend her. For me, however, if you don't have video of her singing it then listen to someone else. She sounded like she was trapped in a bottle throughout her range. I don't think her voice was ugly or beautiful. I'm neutral on that. I do think it was weird.
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 7 жыл бұрын
paso de cosas..................que no tienen que ver.con el oído.....................................
@manuelcarvajal9514
@manuelcarvajal9514 7 ай бұрын
La voz de la Sutherland es mucho mas bonita que la de Callas!!
@salomemahlatse5109
@salomemahlatse5109 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's time to bring La Superba Caballe
@MrLuis85698
@MrLuis85698 5 жыл бұрын
Bringing la Superba in a high notes contest where Maria and Sutherland are being heard is not a good idea . I don’t recall Caballe above a high C .. she always avoided those very high notes D and E were non existent in her career
@deyanncrete8030
@deyanncrete8030 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrLuis85698 She just sang C#6 in D'amor sull'ali rosee I think, and D6's in Maria Stuarda (Va, preparati, fuente just after Figlia Impura di Bolena) and Anna Bolena (I can't remember where). There may be another D6 somewhere but anyway she wasn't queen of very high notes above C6
@BaroneVitellioScarpia1
@BaroneVitellioScarpia1 3 жыл бұрын
Callas is the best!!!
@Eiswirth1
@Eiswirth1 2 жыл бұрын
Sutherland is easily the best!
@wjanevansandbergen3463
@wjanevansandbergen3463 2 жыл бұрын
Joan had de mazzel dat zij de audio in betere tijden mee had
@meomeow2520
@meomeow2520 Жыл бұрын
Joan def has better openess and technique to her 6th octave, some Callas fans just can't accept the fact that there are more opera singers have better technique than her
@Alexmeister25
@Alexmeister25 6 ай бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 5 жыл бұрын
SUTHERLAND ES UNA VOZ ESPECIAL DE OTRO MUNDO................NO ES LA VOZ DE CALLAS...............MAS DE ESTE MUNDO.................AMBAS HAN FORJADO LA OPERA..................EN EL MEDIO DEL SIGLO PASADO.................PERO SOLO LA GRAN JOAN SUTHERLAND.............HA SIDO EL FENOMENO......................QUE DEMUESTRA......................QUE CIERTAS COSAS SON INSUPERABLES..................
@sashaxtina
@sashaxtina 8 жыл бұрын
Dame Joan absolutely owns these notes. Perfect control even in the stratosphere, which is much more than Callas ever could achieve. I will thank La Divina for introducing certain roles, but other than that, she sounds tinny and broken (that vibrato, really?) compared to La Stupenda. Vive la reine !
@janenotneed5602
@janenotneed5602 8 жыл бұрын
You are boring too ! audio was bad in callas time !! comparing not posible !
@sashaxtina
@sashaxtina 8 жыл бұрын
Who said boring? And the two are compared constantly, despite audio quality. Cry me a river.
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
You go, girl.
@yehweita
@yehweita 7 жыл бұрын
La Divina tinny? Gosh, listen to her Mexico Aida High E-Flat, Scala Sommanbula high E-flat... etc...
@angelabender4738
@angelabender4738 7 жыл бұрын
Macho Voce
@lucaleonetti183
@lucaleonetti183 2 жыл бұрын
Forse la Sutehrland nei superacuti riesce ad avere una maggiore agilità, ma la Callas é insuperabile per potenza e timbro.... La Callas è irripetibile.....
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 Жыл бұрын
Sutherland needs a big PAUSE to hit Eb6 😂
@jjang8725
@jjang8725 Жыл бұрын
Orang indo?
@beachfanatic2010
@beachfanatic2010 3 жыл бұрын
So Sutherland had a longer prime than Callas? Hmmm very interesting. From 1940 to 1949 Callas sang TURANDOT, Cavalleria Rusticana, TOSCA, Forza Del Destino, Fidelio for over 30 times each. EXCUSE ME, I said she sang the role of TURANDOT over 30 times before she was ever recorded ON STAGE AND ON TOUR IN SOUTH AMERICA! Alone Santuzza is heavier than ANY role Sutherland ever sang. And Callas debuted at the age of 13 with the role of Santuzza and she sang it during all throughout the 1940’s. So do the math: 1940 to 1959 Callas could sing an E natural. And only declined cause she started partying, smoking and DRINKING in 1954 aside from losing about a 100 pounds. Callas was a genuine dramatic soprano. Sutherland was a lyric soprano with a WEAK voice all throughout so the high notes was what saved her voice and the gays who only go to the opera and desperately wait for the high notes only and disrespect the meaning of Opera.
@robertn800
@robertn800 3 жыл бұрын
NO❗️NO ❗️NO ❗️ Callas was the One & Only for the Gays 🌈 me included. Watch a documentary showing who were lining up in the Cold weather for Callas’s last performances at the Met. Cold Gay Men. 🥶🌈 Read the book- “The Queen’s Throat” There’s a whole chapter on Callas and her devoted Gay Men. 🌈🙀 *Plus Callas didn’t start her affair & jet set life until 1960 & she didn’t smoke 🚬 I won’t bother explaining how her weight loss affected her voice because it was heavy early roles that hurt it & she stopped those & concentrated on bel canto, which made her career. Your Homophobia is showing….🤮
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 2 жыл бұрын
You're ridiculous. Anybody who talks about a 13 year old singing Santuzza without horror knows nothing about opera.
@beachfanatic2010
@beachfanatic2010 2 жыл бұрын
@@jondavwal13 SHUT IT! You understand! Shut yo mouth!!! Callas sang Santuzza over 40 times on stage before 1949 when she was ever recorded.
@awokwok1029
@awokwok1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertn800 Callas did smoke. I've seen a picture showing she's smoking.
@robertn800
@robertn800 2 жыл бұрын
@@awokwok1029 was it Lit ? 🔥 I’ve seen a picture of her holding an unlit cigarette 🚬 - no smoke, and her biographers say she only held it to fit in the with the Jet Set crowd of Onassis. 😬
@kiimmaritz2827
@kiimmaritz2827 Жыл бұрын
JOAN could make sounds and no words..where as with Callas..every word every note clear as Cristal
@ManuelGonzalez-fi1ki
@ManuelGonzalez-fi1ki Жыл бұрын
Sutherland is better than Callas...of course
@eberlinpascal2837
@eberlinpascal2837 Ай бұрын
Bien sûr que non !!! Sutherland ne chantait pas Lady Macbeth ,la Gioconda ,Abigaille , Médée , Aïda ,et en même temps Lucia ,Amina ,Rosine ,.en outre l'anna bolena de Sutherland était ridicule .
@kiimmaritz2827
@kiimmaritz2827 Жыл бұрын
Agree there is but one opera singer ..Callas
@vivemafille
@vivemafille 8 жыл бұрын
Callas' Traviata is remarkable, but not her high note, at least not in a good way.
@fredycastropinzon7342
@fredycastropinzon7342 4 жыл бұрын
Sutherlan fue mejor su carrera fue larga en cambio a callas la voz se le acabo en 12 años
@brunopicaude3092
@brunopicaude3092 3 жыл бұрын
No, she used her voice with exceptional results during a period of 20 years. The real troubles began in 1959; this year she abandoned the role of Lucia because her Eflat began to be incertain (don't forget she was on stage at the age of 15 ! singing for example Cavalleria Rusticana...). But you are right, even 20 years is a too short period for all of us who dreamed to adore her voice during 40 years... at least...
@svetchristoff49
@svetchristoff49 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Sutherland is great. But to compare her to Callas?! .... Not serious and not smart . Callas cannot, would not and WILL NOT be compared to anybdy else... Face it
@jondavwal13
@jondavwal13 5 жыл бұрын
That is true. Those hideous high notes are sui generis.
@artdanks4846
@artdanks4846 2 жыл бұрын
Both were great and cannot/should not be compared. Both had their tremendous strengths, and both had their flaws. This is because they were both human! We should love and appreciate both of these great ladies of opera for what they were! They were BOTH gifts to the opera world!
@kiimmaritz2827
@kiimmaritz2827 Жыл бұрын
Joan was a singer..Callas was opera...
@ms.chaewon9231
@ms.chaewon9231 5 жыл бұрын
I heard Sutherland first, then, Callas second. After that, I stopped listening to Sutherland.
@spevoljub
@spevoljub 4 жыл бұрын
I heard Callas and I hated opera, then I heard Sutherland thanks God.
@alioffe4321
@alioffe4321 3 жыл бұрын
First, I heard Sutherland, then her idiotic fans. I HATED her. It was late Sutherland you see. And, the middle voice wobble gave me a headache. Ghastly chest tones, unintelligible diction etc. Even the top notes that they were lauding were transparent and weak. Then, I heard her early Elvira. MY GOODNESS. She is truly remarkable in the right repertoire. Her Alcina is second to none. Her Elvira is glorious. Her Semiramide will not be topped anytime soon! WONDERFUL WONDERFUL singer!!!
@robertn800
@robertn800 3 жыл бұрын
I was about 6-drawing my cat while my parents were watching a tv special-on great 20th c.artists maybe. I remember seeing a male ballet dancer & said Mama ! He doesn’t have any pants on 🙀 & I also heard an Opera singer who wasn’t fat and I felt & saw her emotions. I remembered it, but didn’t know her name until high school. From then on- it was Only Callas 💔
@frankykneefel8685
@frankykneefel8685 9 жыл бұрын
CALLAS CALLAS !! Sutterland perfect but boring!
@Eiswirth1
@Eiswirth1 8 жыл бұрын
+Franky Kneefel SUTHERLAND! SUTHERLAND! Callas' voice wasn't nearly as beautiful, her top notes spread, and her her technique was inferior. She always sounded like she was singing through her nose, to me. But I still love her.
@frankykneefel8685
@frankykneefel8685 8 жыл бұрын
so sorry , the reaction is from a friend who was on my computer so my excuses these are not my words......
@chrisryan9071
@chrisryan9071 7 жыл бұрын
But you could park a truck in that tremolo of Callas' when not scraping fingernails down a blackboard. It was an ugly black sound - but hugely emotional of course ... that was after all in life and music, her forte ...
@JoanSutherlandFan
@JoanSutherlandFan 6 жыл бұрын
I can not find so many techniques in Callas singing. Almost everything she sang was verismo, she sang a basic bel canto not so deep as Joan. Cheers \o/ Callas trills? HAHA Correcting your words: "was Callas able to do a messa di voce on a trill like Joan?" No, never haha
@NLidar
@NLidar 6 жыл бұрын
Vinicius Soaris bahahahah thanks for the nice joke!
@janenotneed5602
@janenotneed5602 8 жыл бұрын
Callas techniek is far better
@Eiswirth1
@Eiswirth1 8 жыл бұрын
Not by a mile.
@janenotneed5602
@janenotneed5602 8 жыл бұрын
Techniek is not your thing !!
@randysills4418
@randysills4418 7 жыл бұрын
Jane notneed are you deaf?
@josephhapp9
@josephhapp9 5 жыл бұрын
Jane notneed callas on Amphetamines too loose weight and sleeping pills to get to sleep and then fell for a Greek Macho arise hole. She might have been the best but burned out early then resorted to being dramatic rather than maintaining balance with everything. I still love her though,,, and thank the Gods Sutherland had Bonynge. Sutherland sang at top level for more than 30 years. Supreme.
@LC-ig2jm
@LC-ig2jm 5 жыл бұрын
N. Lidar... Both divas are the greatest ever. But putting La Divina over La Stupenda by insulting La Stpupenda, shows how ignorant and jealous you are. I read you saying hateful things at least 10 times on this thread. I had to speak up!
@80Mrmirko
@80Mrmirko 6 жыл бұрын
For the high note Dame Sutherland is better
@robertn800
@robertn800 2 жыл бұрын
Mariah Carey is best at high notes- guess Whistle singing is what you like better than Opera & emotion.
@maurotorriani3677
@maurotorriani3677 8 жыл бұрын
Sutherland sings, Callas screams.
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
+Mauro Torriani Bravo.
@londonboo98
@londonboo98 8 жыл бұрын
+Mauro Torriani shut up
@vettegaddia6234
@vettegaddia6234 8 жыл бұрын
+Mauro Torriani I am very impressed with Callas' high notes in this video. These are by far her best but not at Joan's level imo. And the poster gave Callas louder and more ambient clips which is not fair. As for Sutherland, the poster can probably post 1,000+ clips of Joan's highest notes, and they will sound identical because the note Db6 to Eb6 are part of her voice and easy for her.
@maurotorriani3677
@maurotorriani3677 8 жыл бұрын
+Georgia Belmont fuck
@machovoce6826
@machovoce6826 8 жыл бұрын
+Mauro Torriani I believe that's fuck "off."
@bellini7verdi
@bellini7verdi 7 жыл бұрын
CALLAS ES MAS SECA Y LIMITADA................Y SUTHERLAND ES MAS AMPLIA Y EXTENSA..........
@alessandrolandi5290
@alessandrolandi5290 4 ай бұрын
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