My First Bowl (Fail) - Wood Turning Without A Chuck

In this video I make my first (and second) bowl on the lathe as I start to get a bit more experience with wood turning using a face plate as I don't yet have a chuck for the lathe. And I learned loads! The first bowl wasn't very successful,it all went wrong near the end, but I'm very happy with how the second one turned out. The wood I think is salvaged mahogany, but I'm not sure. I had a lot of fun.
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[@RagnBoneBrown]

My face shield: amzn.to/2MKWWGO My grinding station set up video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXulmIqtoqujjqM Product Links: Please note I earn a small commission from any purchases: Axminster Craft AC370WL : amzn.to/2WdFFf9 (Amazon UK) Axminster Craft AC370WL : bit.ly/axminsterlathe (Axminster) Centre Finder: amzn.to/2zgcqPN (UK) I learned wood turning by studying lots of KZbin videos, my favourite of which are linked below: Mike Waldt Bowl Turning Without A Chuck: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmHaYmNjZpmshMU WorthEffort Wood Turning Demystified: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2eTmp-NiammqZI WorthEffort First Bowl Tutorial: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epCzaXmjapKUjNU

[@chas120374]

Hi there, great first attempt and a shame about the damage but fixable. Save a LOT of heartache, check out any material by Ray key or John Jordan, two very different approaches to the craft. Keep spinning dude.

[@Martin64uk]

I used one of those face shields to make a gas mask for the dentist in a production of Little Shop of Horrors last year, after the show I recycled it and use it in my workshop now! :-)

[@elchimpo9590]

The only fail is if you don’t try at all The out of round is “character” not a flaw 🤪🤪

[@MrChrissammons]

So 1st DO NOT use a roughing gouge on a bowl, it's really really dangerous, a catch on end grain could of resulted in a catastrophic failure of the tool, its name is a spindle roughing gouge and should only be used on blanks where the grain of the wood runs parallel to the bed of the lathe. Other than that I dont think this was a fail, you got enjoyment and discovered how much fun turning is. Love the way you dived into bowls, spindle work is easier to start with.

[@timcgrew]

This video shows what can happen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4DLeZivpL9_l7s I have seen cases where the roughing gouge snaps at the tang and you have a HSS spear flying around.

[@katherineablett728]

Unfortunately the catch using a spindle gouge happened to me on my first time too, ooopps, needed a new gouge! It looks great! Can’t be a fail because you tried!

[@NathanaelGriffiths]

A roughing gouge is designed for spindle turning and it may break if used on the end grain of a bowl. A bowl gouge does the same job but is much stronger and won’t get damaged with the high forces it’s got to endure. It’s a shame about the sanding accident but great job overall!👍

[@shannonsell6006]

OH, Keith! When you talked about how you fumbled it at the belt sander I wanted to cry for you!! I did a lot of ceramics in college and I was a great hand builder but the pottery wheel was my nemesis. I struggled with it for a long time and one day I finally had something beautiful I loved. I sent a picture to my sister and promised it to her as a gift, and then after a long day of working on it... fumbled it going to put it on my shelf. Fell on the floor, completely ruined. 😭 I made another, not quite as lovely as the first... so I FEEL your pain. I think you did great!! 👍

[@The_Joker_]

A wonky bowl 👍 I LOVE IT. You learned & we learned. No fail here 10/10

[@clydedecker765]

I'm loving your reborn enthusiasm.

[@gryffindork9563]

You didn’t fail! You may have messed it up but you still made a bowl. I hope you keep this bowl this is your first bowl even if was not perfect ♥️♥️ Keep it in a place you can see to help you remind you to strive everyday to get better. P.S I think it’s great! good for you ♥️💜💙

[@spendtimesavemoneydiy]

Gryffindork65 very well said. We all start somewhere!

[@p_mouse8676]

I always really enjoy "fail" videos. I think more people should make them. From a maker point of view, they are very interesting and educational. So much more than projects were everything goes as it should be.

[@Archiemonty]

I'd certainly NOT call that a fail, was interesting to see a little improvissing

[@JohnColgan.]

Twenty Fails in your Wood Turning playlist ... Thought you would have got it sorted by now !! 🤪🤪😉

[@rickdearmont9950]

Nothing is a failure if you learn something. Nice work.

[@88wiggle]

I was waiting for the 'catch' with hot glue holding the bowl and seeing it fly into orbit but it didn't come, this time. Next to look forward to is 'just one more cut' to make the walls thinner, or deeper - then end up with two halves or daylight and most of us have all been there. At least you have mastered 'off centre' turning that many have attempted before. Always a pleasure to watch your video's and as they say, we all had to learn once.

[@tomkovalcik]

Your first bowl just demonstrates “off center bowl turning” which is an advanced skill! 🤫. The shape on the first bowl is really nice. To center the bowl better when you returned the outside, you could have cut a groove in your backing board to match the rim which would have centered things better. There have already been several comments about the spindle roughing gouge, listen to them. A great first and second try. For gouge presentation, look at Martin Saban Smiths KZbin on turning a basic bowl. Congrats and happy turning.

[@stevebosun7410]

Hi Keith, glad you like wood turning, it's very therapeutic. Mind you, when you see the pile of shavings around your ankles, that you can't do much with, it can be a little depressing. Un-balanced rim, that's called "rustic charm". The most important thing is that you learned from it. Use the experience of others to guide you, but use your experience to perfect the craft. What do you intend to do with the items you make? I say that, because there's a limit to the amount of bowls, candle holders, goblets, etc, that a household can accommodate. The trouble with a chuck is, you'll make even more stuff to fill the house.

[@scott21171]

Great video Keith... Woodturning is SO addictive!.. I started the same as you,and before you know it whole days just disappear in front of the lathe!.. Just wait till you discover pen turning lol!

[@awantamta]

There was no failure there at all. It is all about doing and learning. Both those bowls are great and you are lucky to have a lathe which I am sure you will become more proficient at and produce some more fine pieces of work. I can only sit back and watch with awe.

[@erkeltree]

I have a bowl just like yours. that is how we learn. Hang on to yours. Some day it will get a laugh. Mine is 36 years old and I would never part with it. My wife uses it for snacks. Remember any bowl you can walk away with is a success.

[@chrisperry7963]

Not a fail at all Keith, it was a fine learning experience, and I loved the look of it...and not having looked at other comments here, but I agree, a four jaw chuck would help immensely!

[@MsRmaclaren]

I have a 1947 ShopSmith that I have restored and use as a lathe. Pen turning is great as gifts, as far as selling there is a plethora of pens out there. I turned my first two bowls by watching videos on how to do it without a chuck. Frank Howarth is a great resource. A chuck is great fun, way better than the face plate for most operations. I am glad I have one.

[@JeffreyMoon1974]

Thank you for showing us the results of your "fail." Woodturning is one area of woodworking that is still unfamiliar to me; I've heard that it's addictive once you start, and that appears to be the case for you. I look forward to your follow-on success with it!

[@DennisNestor]

Big fan of Worth the Effort. He is an excellent instructor and very easy to understand. Turning a bowl without a Chuck is definitely a challenge. I scraped my first two. Finally end up getting a Nova G3 for my Jet lathe. Both of your bowls really look nice. Can't wait to see what you do next. Over here trying to make 4 identical legs... Going to take a bit.

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

Well done on your first try mate you did well and learned

[@hypnoraythompson5824]

we all have a catch or two in the learning curve. From a fellow Norfolk boy/ well ex Londoner, keep it up mate.

[@JamesCouch777]

I wouldn't call that a fail. One of my early attempts ended up in the ER! I've learned a lot since then. You did a great job 👍

[@IsaKocoglu]

This, to me, was a great introduction to lathe woodworking. Thank you for sharing your wins as well as your losses. I love the learning curve.

[@tjacksonwoodworker3726]

We all learn by doing. Good work. Enjoyed your video. I am a once in a while turner, but I do find it very satisfying.

[@swinesmoocher]

Handmade items are like people, we all have imperfections. Our imperfections are what make us unique. I've turned dozens of bowls and every one has some flaw that I can find but most of those others would never see. The imperfections they can find add character to the piece. Don't toss it, proudly display it or give it to someone as a gift.

[@JohnColgan.]

You could always drill a centre hole in your faceplate and put in a pin. Then with a matching centered mark/dimple in your workpiece use the pin to centre your workpiece to the faceplate. Don't be disheartened, it's a learning curve and the fact you went straight back & improved on your 2nd attempt is good that you are keen to improve

[@brookesp]

Both look good buddy, I always like to see people’s mistakes. I always talk about when I screw up. I do like the shape of your second bowl though over the first. Can’t wait to see more!

[@grantliddiard7742]

Yes, a chuck is a must. Cheers from Down Under.

[@alastairmackay4589]

Your ‘learn from my mistakes’ videos are very commendable. I see a lathe in my retirement plans! Think I’ll find a local class though - it could get dangerous very quickly.

[@Bill.L.Carroll]

Ha, bit by the turning bug! 😉 Fair effort on the first turn, and an even better run on the second. 👌🏾 Well done, mate. 👍🏾

[@gregoranda4220]

And down the rabbithole he went... So long, and thanks for all the fish... Hehehe

[@GrumpysWorkshop4]

I wouldnt call that a fail keith. If you're learning a skill then dont be so hard on yourself. I think the first bowl looks great. You should keep it to show how your turning skills improve.

[@tympt1]

Keith, that was so much better than my first attempt at bowl turning. Well done.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome Job Keith!! Turning is so much fun! 👍👍

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Cheers Jake

[@iQuincyboy]

This is no fail at all. Even if you would've blown right through, it is a worthy learning experience. And the "wonky" sides might just be a design feature =) I do enjoy your projects and mostly so the part when you reflect on things to improve, so looking forward to seeing more. Cheers!

[@chrisharrison6532]

Excellent video Keith it's good that you learn by mistakes and aren't afraid to admit to them you're doing good watch and learn you can't beat self taught its the feel you get for yourself and its a more skilful and satisfying result

[@user-oy4gf6ck5u]

I dont think that the project is a disaster , i kind of like it , of course i dont have a clue about wood turning i would love to learn but for the moment bandsaw looks more friendly to me . I really enjoy the video !!!!!!

[@dorey1985]

The grain of that wood is beautiful. Good job on your first 2 bowls, it will only get better and easier.

[@kevin-the-carrot]

Great start to your turning experience.Good luck with future projects turning.I am pretty sure they are going to be winners.

[@ronaldschallawitz7178]

Good job. I learned a lot . Great explaination. Showing the problems that you have helps us learn and builds your credibility.

[@myhoneyshandmade1077]

Careful..bowl turning is addictive. I just got a new lathe 2 weeks ago and have made 3-4 bowls. So fun. I am also learning how to use the hss gouges...Enjoyed the video.

[@jenniferlawrence8533]

All good! What an achievement. Keep up the learning.

[@Marks_outdoors]

Tip when turning a bowl use your bowl gouge to turn to round , the roughing gouge is for spindle work mate , but good first attempt 👍

[@hansdegroot8549]

Great learning by doing video. Thanks for sharing.

[@scottadams2624]

Great job!

[@theriggsworkshop8606]

Great first attempt .. we all need to start somewhere .. great job mate .. a fail 8snt a negative thing .. its a lesson learned .. we have all done it again again and again ...

[@marconeill9510]

Brilliant stuff mate 👍

[@porshenn]

thanks for sharing your experience. This is a good lessons for all of us :) Good luck and stay safe ;)

[@thomasmarliere2505]

You learned a lot and so did we thanks to you video 👍

[@jpwoodwork]

They came out great! its never a fail while learning, only a lesson learned :) id like to recommend Yorkshire grit to you too, its a sanding abrasive paste, you sand to 240 grit then use the paste and it leaves the wood with a finish up to 1000 grit and it has beeswax in too so it polishes at the same time, you can go further with using the Microfine too :)

[@installer1571]

I was always told not to use the tail stock to seat the timber on the centring end because it puts unnecessary pressure on the bearings and it's better to remove the centring bit and hit with a rubber mallet to mark the centre then put it into the lathe

[@1954JDR]

I have found that I get more control with chisels. That is a very good "first bowl". Mine flew out of the chuck and shattered. I didn't prepare my tenon with a dovetail and the chuck couldn't get a good grip.

[@corbanmccracken2649]

Im a beginner wood turner and i’ve had similar problem without a chuck. i dont own one yet but so far ive had me eye on a record power chuck as they seem to be a great deal for the quality

[@spendtimesavemoneydiy]

Green timber is better for bowl turning. I learnt that the hard way. Very enjoyable video. And the grinding is very neat!

[@stevelarkin3285]

Cyborg Ninjah .......Thats Just Normal everyday Wear Now .... Great Videos

[@JohntheSchreiner]

Should we expect an announcement for a Bowl WITH a Lathe challenge soon? Haha! Looks great, even if it's a little off centre.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

thanks John Nice idea! 😂

[@michaelplays2449]

I think they are both nice in there own way well done Keith

[@ruud24k]

Such a cool vid. I want a lathe now!. The thicc joke cracked me up XD

[@sjv6598]

Bring the tail stock up to help centre it when gluing up the blank to turn the inside

[@bobbonham4823]

Stuff happens. Good job, and a great move forward with the next.

[@laurawerner]

Some suggestions from an intermediate turner. I learned about 18 months ago, so I went though the learning curve semi-recently. First, to echo others: DON'T use a spindle roughing gouge on a face-grain piece such as a bowl. Especially not a cheap spindle roughing gouge. If you get a catch in the end grain, the narrow tang of the gouge can snap, and you can get impaled by the jagged end. This has actually happened before. I think it's even killed people, though I can't find a citation. (It might be marginally safer with a high-end gouge that's milled from solid round bar and doesn't have the small, flat tang, but I still wouldn't risk it.) Instead use your bowl gouge, in a mostly-closed orientation, to get the stock round. Just what you were doing when you shaped the outside of the bowl. You may want to put a "fingernail" or "Ellsworth" grind on your bowl gouge, with more swept-back wings. I find that grind a lot easier to use on the outside of a bowl. It's pretty good on the inside too, except for on the very bottom of fairly cylindrical bowls with a sharp "corner" at the bottom. For that, you might need a bowl gouge with a steep grind, around 60 degrees. By the way, the way you described the bowl gouge cutting when it's mostly closed wasn't 100% correct. They I've seen it described is that you have to hold it in that orientation because of the end grain. For end grain, the tip of the gouge slices the fibers, and then the lower bevel scoops them away. You _could_ hold it mostly open, more like a spindle gouge, and it would cut, but you'd get a lot of tear out on the end grain. What you said about cutting a mortise and tenon for when you reverse-mount the bowl, then attaching it with hot glue, is exactly right. Or it's what they taught in the bowl-turning class I took a while back, anyway. On the inside of the bowl, the way you're cutting down the inside wall with the left bevel is kind of backwards. That's a good way to _scrape_ with the gouge as a final cleanup step. But if you try to cut in that orientation, it's mostly a really good way to get a catch. Instead, try having the flute of the gouge facing the other way: to the right, toward the center line. As you start at the rim of the bowl, the flute should be mostly closed. It's basically the same thing you were doing on the outside of the bowl, but mirrored. As you get toward the bottom and the bowl starts to curve inward, you can open the flute more because you're transitioning from the end grain on the sides to the face grain on the bottom. As a bonus, I find cutting this way to be even more fun. After a while the sweeping motion of the handle and the turn of your wrist as you open the gouge get ingrained in your muscle memory . The shavings just fly off the tip of the gouge! If you've seen videos where shavings are flying toward the camera in slow motion, this the cut that they're using. In the class I took, they taught us to reverse-mount the bowl a second time on a "jam chuck" to finish the bottom. Start with a flat piece of wood bigger than the bowl. and maybe 2cm thick. Then cut a mortise that the rim of the bowl would fit down into very snugly. It needs to be so snug that it will hold the bowl without any glue, just with friction. Then jam the bowl into it. If you cut it a little bit too big, you can use a piece of paper towel or tissue in between to make it more snug. Search for "bowl jam chuck" on YT and you'll probably find some good videos. Edit: One more thing: Even once you're good with conventional tools, don't get rid of your carbide ones. They're useful in tight spots where you don't have room for a gouge. And they're especially useful when hollowing something like a vase, where it's impossible to get a chisel in there. And finally, they basically work like scrapers, so you can use them as a scraper in a pinch when you're cleaning up a rough surface and don't have a real scraper that's suitable. I hope some of that helped. I tend to ramble. :-)

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Brilliant stuff, very well explained. You should have a KZbin channel! Thanks

[@laurawerner]

@@RagnBoneBrown I'm glad it helped. I'm actually thinking about starting a channel. I'm not sure I'd be able to create enough content, though. I'm disabled (a chronic pain problem), so I don't have a lot of time I can spend in the shop. But I may give it a try anyway, if only for friends who have asked what I'm doing. Thanks for the encouragement!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

You totally should! 👍

[@waveydaveydiver]

I used to turn lace bobbins for my mum. There were loads of failures, too think, material breaks. In the end you get some great results by practice practice practice. Good vid!

[@LadyGecko]

Nice little bowl

[@PeterOConnl]

Watching demo's by stuart batty or glenn lucas will make your turning much more satisfying, easier and less frustrating.

[@mandyleeson1]

I can understand the desire for perfection, but I think the first bowl was a good effort. And if you use it to keep your keys in etc., they won't care at all. 😉 Turning looks like great fun. 🙏🏻

[@MissLady-pq4hc]

Great video bowl looks good to me. Nice first.👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🌟🌟🌟🙂

[@mikeporter59]

Being out of round wasn't a failure it was a feature.

[@FuzzyScaredyCat]

Use the faceplate that came with the lathe until you get a chuck - much more secure and safer. Turning something like that between centres, no thanks. Grab yourself a record power SC3 or SC4 - Yandles have them for just over £100 (109 for SC3 129 SC4). These are the package versions that give you a worm screw, a set of jaws and a faceplate. Did you add some wings to your bandsaw? That bed looks massive. Off centre bowls are a thing though, you can get special jaws to help, you managed without. Not a fail at all. I did say it was addictive :) Try some segment stuff too, wastes less wood and it's awesome too :)

[@alaincaron225]

Long time ago, I guess when I started walking I must have fell flat on my face. Today, I am quite OK with that. No fails, no learning. Experience is the sum of mistakes.

[@manicmaker52]

Good job...

[@cobberpete1]

It will come with Practice Keith. I have three Carbide, and cannot remember when I last used them. Yes get a Chuck, it will make a world of difference :)

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Just invested in one! Should be here any day now 👍

[@karlpopewoodcraft]

Great first effort though Keith, I was nervous watching waiting for the fail, not sure what I was expecting possibly some kind of dramatic exploding bowl or something😂 looks like you are going to be getting addicted to turning now😉

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I think maybe it's an age thing 😂 I'm getting on a bit

[@karlpopewoodcraft]

@@RagnBoneBrown how old are you Keith?

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I had to check with Ria as I can never remember 😂 but I am 38

[@karlpopewoodcraft]

@@RagnBoneBrown haha oh not to bad then lol I'm 42 😢

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Whaaat? Honestly not trying to flatter you but I thought you were like early to mid 30s!! I'm certainly beating you on the grey hair !

[@ianvicedomini2648]

Well I reckon that was a pretty good try for the first time mate. It's always a trying time when you start something new. Great video chap

[@kandipiatkowski8589]

The first bowl looks fine!!! Don't be so hard on yourself. Carbide tools work very well for reducing catches on resin. If you want some tips...there's a great guy you should check out. His name is Nick Zammetti. He's very funny as well...but knows his turning!!

[@negotiableaffections]

You've got it! From here on its just practise.

[@keithbaker5042]

I like both bowls flaws just add character Great Job!!!

[@Cradley684]

Good try Keith stay at it Mate sure you will get there, and Stay Safe !!!.

[@MrFinn]

nice work!! ;)

[@christianjanes]

They look great mate. Just you wait your house will start filling up with them soon!

[@bc3024]

I was hoping for the shed build, but the bowl turning was great. Nice vid as always.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thank you. Haven't even started building it yet! 😂 It won't stop raining

[@davidshortall9302]

What about the back garden Keith. That's cryin out for a good sketchup plan 😁

[@davidshortall9302]

You'd get a good series of videos from that. Pergolas, benches, tables, more concrete pours, wood sculptures, compost bins, gates etc and art deco style layout??

[@rkent013]

It is a bowl, ergo not a fail. Nice work for a rookie. Keep it up

[@trishblakely3476]

Yup, turning is totally addictive. 😀👍 For more inspiration, check out Ashley Harwood’s channel. She is a master turner; she does a lot of production work but also features some commission projects that are mind-blowing.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks. Yes, I really enjoy her channel. She is very talented 👍

[@Sparkybyfifty]

You could have used the tail stock to help line up the bowl on the chipboard

[@markoutler5139]

Not a fail if you learned from it. Nice Job. Every turner has had your experience.

[@PeterOConnl]

try a 'cup centre' for bowl turning. The pointed live centre usually digs too deep into bowls, and is ideal for spindle turning. Welcome to your new, expensive hobby.

[@davecaswell6984]

Cracking job for your first effort but as already commented on, it's a SPINDLE roughing gouge and the tang is not strong enough to use on bowl blanks

[@SomethingFromTheShed]

Love the video Keith. My first turning went horribly wrong too so your not on your own buddy. Keep turning

[@lettersandnumbers81]

Get a cheapo dial indicator so you can check how much stuff runs out on the faceplate maybe

[@racinghome657]

I wouldn't call any of that a fail, you enjoyed it and learnt a load of things. Plus you can now travel on public transport wearing your fetching mask/faceshield combo, with total confidence.

[@paultay23]

Great effort Keith considering you don't have a chuck. It's addictive and can get expensive...good luck

[@IanintheShed]

I wouldn't call it a fail, just a learning experience! If you're interested, Mike Waldt is doing a live Q&A on KZbin, Sunday 14th at 7.30pm for any questions you may have.

[@FFVoyager]

I haven't done any turning for 25+ years. Used to teach D&T so long ago - long before facemasks and shields. (Safety glasses were encouraged though!) I could see what was going to happen before you pulled it off at the end 😉 but it wasn't a failure. You only fail when you learn nothing from it!

[@marky701]

Chess set time? I know you made one previously, but would be good to see your take on turned pieces

[@BruceAUlrich]

Ah, man...that made me so sad when you showed how it hopped out of your hand!

[@JamesManCave]

If you don't try, then you don't learn. Good to try things with limited knowledge and see how you figure things out. Wood turning isn't something that hugely interests me, but well done for having ago, I'm sure this will help broaden your audience and help the channel get even bigger

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Cheers James it didn't interest me either for a long while. Must be an age thing 😂👍

[@Bitsanddoings]

You need to invest in a good Chuck with a faceplate and worm screw ideal for bowl turning, you also when turning stand slightly side on to the late feet apart and twist your body towards the headstock always keep base of your chisel handle as if it’s glued to your hip facing towards the floor and to turn inside do a tenon for the chuck to tighten down onto or a mortise to expand your jaws into also always have your bowl gouges bevel rubbing against the wood that’s the best way for a clean cut and always do shallow passes not deep ones. Never use the spindle gouge for turning to round on a bowl it’s a big rookie mistake I have been told of for it on my KZbin channel and by my local wood turning club i am a member of always use the bowl gouge for rounding the bowl too. Ps if you need any more advice send me a message via my email on my about page on KZbin I am happy to give you advice Keith.

[@stevehubner560]

Welcome to wood turning its always ill just fix that little imperfection and boom catch of some description lol