My First Commercial Job with the Lamello Zeta P2 [video

[@kiwdwks]

I agree. The Zeta system is great. The new P-10 Tenso allows you to use it it thinner stock. I recently learned how you can use it in a crown moulding mitre...pretty awesome.

[@cobberpete1]

A sarcastic smile Peter when you talk about a heat wave. I'm working in Northern West Australia at the moment. We have mid 30's every day and believe it or not, some guys come to work with a coat on in the morning. And here's you in shorts and Tee shirt :)

[@bighands69]

+Pete Compton Not quite the same as the humility makes a difference as does being used to 32 degrees. When your normal temperature is 30 you adjust to that so in the morning when the body is not quite up and going it will feel cold. But you do adjust. Any British person that goes to northern Australia is going to be crying for a bit. Even if you are not British and come from a warm climate you will find a British 30 degree different and then there is the fact very few places have good Aircon.

[@LostWhits]

But out cameras don't over heat with our common 35°c-40°c days.

[@xw6968]

Peter Compton hahaha i was thinking the same here in China with 43C and no swetting in a suit when im in shorts hiding under the airco;) But i found out that 28 to 30C back home is much less nicer then 43C here.

[@ackec-umsekkruch-ekucki952]

Hey Peter, it's an old video but just wanted to thank you for all your content as I've been watching through some of the historical productions and still find them helpful even just to remind myself of stuff I used to know. You introduced the zeta to me and I'm grateful for that too. I never owned a Domino and now I never plan to own one thanks to you. Especially now that we can make the jigs you recently showed. The zeta is great and I just started realising how powerful the system is allowing construction in a workshop and a very easy reassembly at the client's without compromising connectors' strength. Keep it up Peter! We're loving it!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! 🙌 👍

[@Blobjonblob]

The Lamello looks very well built lovely looking piece of kit.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It is very nicely put together 👍👍

[@markjervis8558]

As per normal, Top quality work Peter. Having subscribed for some time now, I have to say that your channel is by far the most enjoyable to watch...

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! 👍👍

[@ThePhiloctopus]

"Temperatures got to 32C". Maaaaate! You should come visit your old convict colony some time - we hit 46.6C down here this summer just gone :(

[@BischBaschBosch]

46C would do me in! We're just not acclimatised to it here. Down here in the south west UK 30C+ tends to come with humidity which just makes everything a drag.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

32* but 75% humidity... 😓

[@wearsjorge55]

Sure it gets to 32 degrees on average here in prison land but at least sometimes there's a breeze or it's dry.

[@jamesc2313]

Very interesting video Peter nice bit of kit

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks!± And yes, a very nice bit of gear 👍

[@bn5876]

I have an old Elu biscuit jointer. It’s so easy to use and fast too. it pivots on its side rather than plunges as the new biscuit joiners do. It’s more than just a locator. I’ve made a lot of furniture with just glue and biscuits - no screws - where the ends are seen. I wonder why they stopped making the old type? They’re hard to come by now.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Never seen one like that! I’ll have to keep my eyes peeled 👍👍

[@simonhibbitt4481]

You are the only other person I've heard of that has one. I bought mine in the mid 80's and it still works! We should form an owners group :-)

[@CbrRob]

One year on and the weather is even hotter 👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Ha! Very true! 😅🤷‍♂️🍻👍

[@mikes6844]

Great vid Peter and very informative. Look forward to the next instalment on this kit. I went to Axminster Tools last year when they were having a supplier demo on these. If not for the price I would have bought one but it’s hard for me to justify a tool for occasional use. I do have a touch of tool envy. Have a good weekend 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Mike! Yes, it’s very much a niche tool, but if you’re in that niche, then it can make sense 🤔👍

[@kieranthompson779]

As someone who is going to stick with doing built ins, bookcases and wardrobes, would you class this as an essential tool?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Essential, no. I like the Clamex connector, unimpressed with the Tenso, and I did just fine with a Domino for years. But it’s a very handy tool to have available. 👍

[@grahambrown5874]

Excellent video. Do you think a Makita biscuit cutter with the thicker blade used for the Zeta cutter could be used to cut the holes? The Zeta P2 is great tool, but only a professional could justify the cost.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks. No, the zeta has a very specific up/down movement that creates the t-slot that the fittings slide into. A thicker blade would just create a thicker slot. 👍

[@hhanger1]

oh even us hobbyists can figure out a way to justify the cost! 😄

[@Z-add]

I can see a threaded hole on the side of the machine. you could use a bolt screwed in that hole and use the bolts head as a stop . but then that would interfere when you need to use the machine for the other side. Perhaps you could fashion an adjustable fixture to use that thread hole.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yes, that’s why the Mafell sprung pins were so clever - and patented, lol! You could probably make something, but lining the fence against the edge of the workpiece seems to work pretty well. 👍👍

[@davegreen1866]

Impressive dust collection, it would seem!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yes, outstanding! Better than the Domino, possibly helped by of the nature of the spinning cutter, of course. 👍👍

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

Hi sorry for the late reply, I used clamex P14. Like I said wave a little, depth also at 55cm so I used 3 each end. Do you think it might be that I need to ajust so they sit further below the surface ? Think they meant to be at 1/2 mm (0.5mm) . Its a bit difficult to see but it may well be around 0.3mm below the surface but not less than that for sure

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Might be worth tweaking the depth setting. Never had an issue with the Clamex myself, though I had to try that with Tenso. 🤷‍♂️

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

@@10MinuteWorkshop,,, maybe its just that the boards are so big,, 100cm tall x 55cm that there is bound to be some wiggle, it doesn't move on its own, u have to wiggle it yourself. May try on some small pieces tomorrow and adjust the depth,, I did actually then put it back, since it creecked a little and I think a very tiny bit of the black plastic came off, tiny bit though

[@Mrfreezeee1]

Heat wave ...heat wave most of June was in the 30ties here Peter and well are legs are tanned ....lol,ive got just a plain old biscuit jointer,dont use it for much other then lining up table tops ,put i suppose just cutting a spline on the table saw would be just as good for lining things up

[@Mrfreezeee1]

hey thanks Peter ,who the hell made GosFord " handy mans sign anyway ...lol stir the pot

[@Reefgc]

Hey Peter, enjoying ur channel! One little tip (if I may be so bold) related to audio, use a high pass filter/HPF at around 100 hz on your software to cut off the low end rumble in the audio. This video really gave my subwoofers a workout.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! This was just a quick vlog-style vid shot on my phone, so the audio suffers. Normal service resumes soon, 👍👍.

[@chriswright1947]

Peter im working my way through your videos. Honestly i cant thank you enough for your great work! Question: would this machine replace your usual domino, glue and screw method of making wardrobes and putting together bulky furniture on site everytime? Which lamello fitting would you use for said job, (clamex or tenso)? Lastly do you use glue on the joint? Thank you for your time again my man!! Have a great day. Chris

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Chris! By and large, yes - though if I was on a very tight budget the dominos and screws are easy, fast and cheap! I like the Clamex connectors - they can be used as a knock-down connector - though I’m less happy with the Tenso fittings. Absolutely glue the joint with Tenso, and only if you know you never need it to come apart with the Clamex. Adding adhesive increases the joint strength by around 30% according to Lamello. 👍👍

[@chriswright1947]

Peter Millard Great info. Thank you again

[@chriswright1947]

Peter Millard Just out of interest why the tensos are floating your boat?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Chris Wright Can’t get them to pull together tight enough for my liking. There’s adjustment on the machine, but I need to find time to play with it a bit more. 👍👍

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

Hi, did my first project with the Lamello, a wardrobe. Did you find the boards when joined up wobble a bit? Mine do. for some reason i was expecting it to be very rigid. ps the boards are around 100cm long each on average. It was only when I put the back board in the rear recess that the cupboard was pretty rigid.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Which connectors were you using? Clamex would be solid, Tenso flex in my experience. Not a fan of the Tenso. 🤷‍♂️

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi sorry for the late reply, I used clamex P14. Like I said wave a little, depth also at 55cm so I used 3 each end. Do you think it might be that I need to ajust so they sit further below the surface ? Think they meant to be at 1/2 mm (0.5mm) . Its a bit difficult to see but it may well be around 0.3mm below the surface but not less than that for sure

[@w2ttsy670]

Bit late to the party, but some things that might help: 1. The connectors have lateral play in them so you can do adjustments a few mm in either direction. If you need to have zero play in your joint, throw a couple of dominos in between your connector slots (use the tight setting) and use the domino for alignment and the tenso/clamex for clamping 2. You can adjust the depth of the plunge with an Allen key (read the manual first) to get a deeper mortise. 0.5-0.7mm is the best depth for a strong tenso hold. You’ll need a vernier scale to do it though. 3. Use clamex connectors for pulling cabs together rather than the tensos. I find I’m only using the tenso connectors for affixing in fills or face frames. It takes a bit of trial and error, but once you get used to it, it’s a fantastic addition to the workshop. The best use I’ve had so far is pulling miters tight. Say goodbye to clamps and other horsing around and just throw a few clamex connectors into the joints and then glue and screw - did a beautiful job with some waterfall panels I did in a bedroom recently. Super tight miters.

[@johnfithian-franks8276]

Hi Peter, Every time I see you use that tool I have the same problem, that is (how do you get a biscuit cut with a wider exterior). No matter how the blade is shaped it is an impossible hole to get by a plunging motion?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I talk about this in one of the previous vids (#325 or 330), with a slo-mo cutaway. When you reach the prescribed depth, the blade does a little jump up & down to make the T-slot shape. Very clever. 👍👍

[@tworailsrails1821]

It's in Peter's #325 video at about 4:50

[@johnfithian-franks8276]

@@tworailsrails1821 Thanks, I have found it

[@MrBishbashbosh2012]

Haha you sounded like me the other day towards the start of this video, struggling to get your words out. It got up to 31 inside where I work. Great video though, I was wondering about the hex key holes and where they had to be but that’s answered now. Thanks

[@ianpyott6839]

Which timber yard do you use please.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I use a great local yard called Ferguson’s - ajferguson.co.uk - good yard, good people. 👍👍

[@robinaveling5956]

Ah! Happiness.... a brew, roll and Peter on "da tube" can lunch get better than this?

[@bigg6070]

32C, an average day in Oz. Almost beach weather. 😁

[@sebastiantreloar6045]

Its always nice to see a English sized workshop not a American one car garage that's bigger then my house lol. Recently found your channel and I really enjoy your videos, you have a fantastic voice for it. I couldn't help but notice the license plate on the wall, what car is it from?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! Licence plate is from my first car, an Austin A40 - bit.ly/Austin_A40. They’re apparently quite collectible now, but this one was a pile of junk - but it was my pile of junk! 😂😂👍👍

[@SMee67]

They are an awesome bit of kit, from what I've seen makers use them for any way... From what I can see they are extremely strong, (Andy did a strength test on them) Really versatile, quick and easy to use. 👍 I don't think you'll ever regret making this purchase, mate. 👌

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Bill! No, no regrets - yet 🤷‍♂️👍

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

hi there, would you use it with chipwood core? for example when you use EEgger panels they are usually chipwood not mdf.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Sure, they work fine in a decent chipboard eg egger. 👍

[@tcbridges]

Can you tell me that kind of wood that was you where using. Is it staying its natural color with some cleat coat or are you painting the panels

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It’s Sapele veneered MDF - I do mention it in the video - and it’s finished with Osmo hard wax oil. 👌🤷‍♂️

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

ohhh forgot to also ask..those clamps you used at 5.30 min - what are they called/make? they do seem to well work hell of a grip!!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

The lever clamps? They’re from Festool - there are links to these and most other things used in the video description. 👍👍

[@andyvan5692]

I think the word is MORTISE, as the biscuit joint is a special kind of M&Tennon joint, so the socket is termed the same (MORTISE).

[@gioargentati7802]

What is the music playing when the end credits roll? Thank you!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! It’s a piece called ‘simple’ from the Apple Music library that comes with Final Cut Pro, and I believe iMovie. 👍

[@gioargentati7802]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you very much, Peter!

[@RobyWanKenobi]

I am newer to building cabinets for customers and have been really considering the P2, do you still feel the same about it after using things like the peanut? I work by myself and am building bigger cabinets that I feel this would be a game changer while working alone. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I've talked about it a bit in other videos - I put it down as one of my 10 worst purchases, though only because I was sold on the idea of the tenso fitting being the perfect fixing, which it isn't. The Zeta is excellent, and the Clamex superb, but at ~£1500 for the tool and then ~£1.40 per fixing, it just wasn't worth it for me, especially now I've moved on from that business. I still have it, and it's a pleasure to use, but rarely comes off the shelf these days. The Peanut 2 is a good system, and you can try the mini jig and starter pack for less than the price of a pack of clamex fixings. Slower, of course, as any jig & router system will be, but a solid connector at 1/10th the price of the clamex.

[@RobyWanKenobi]

@@10MinuteWorkshop I am currently using biscuits with the porter cable biscuit joiner and like the method but feel the execution and time could be better. Was thinking the domino would help with constiscy and time cutting but not so much in the assembly. Would be interested in that if it would help me without needing to use their knock down system. That's what makes me lean towards the clamex. I like the peanut but am worried about being off and not having any play plus the added time. Turns out I had stopped your 5 worst buys video right after the Zeta. Go figure. Thank you for your help it is greatly appreciated.

[@orremm]

Why are the painted side tables still in your workshop Peter?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

🤔 😡 🤷‍♂️

[@sewob147]

A good job you asked because I was going to!

[@martinhowlett99]

Anyone know if you can use a Lamello p cutter in a unbranded jointer? How does it make the extra cut for the connectors to fit

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

For the P connectors? No, the cutter makes a little up & down jump to cut the t-slot, won’t work in a regular biscuit jointer. You can get clamex fittings for regular biscuit slots, but you have to screw them in. 👍

[@martinhowlett99]

Peter Millard thanks Peter

[@martinhowlett99]

Peter Millard I think I’m going to take the plunge and invest😬

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Woo hoo! 😂 Don’t know if it’s still the case but ProTrade we’re doing the best prices when I bought mine. Should be a link in the video description, or give Alan Harrison a call, see what he can do for you. Mention you’ve seen the vid. 👍

[@martinhowlett99]

Peter Millard Thanks I will do

[@ryyggin]

How much does this tool set you back ? Apologies apologies if you have said in the video. Thanks in advance .

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

There was a deal on this anniversary edition, so in the region of £1250; list is around £1350 for the basic kit. Not cheap, still figuring out if it’s worth it.👍

[@alanmullock381]

I'll keep 'em crossed for you with the install Peter! I'm a slush puppy in this heat/humidity from hell!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Alan! Yeah, been a long old week, and the weather hasn’t helped. 😓🤷‍♂️

[@andyvan5692]

32 deg. C is nothing mate ! - try 45 C in Australia in the summertime (Dec. over there) & we still get up and work our buts off!!

[@johnschotz1614]

That’s a good reason to emigrate

[@sunsande]

What kind of wood is that (at around @2:50 .. @3:00)?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Sapele. 👌

[@sunsande]

@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks a lot! But this is the veneer - I wondered what the base wood is? I cannot see the layers of a plywood or the structure of an MDF board etc. in the video (the side edges don't show quite on focus and maybe I'm wrong) ... so I wondered what kind of base wood is it?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

@@sunsande At 1:45 "...I'm in a whole forest's worth of Sapele veneered MDF..." MDF. Always MDF. 😆👍👍

[@sunsande]

@@10MinuteWorkshop my mistake sorry :). It is quite dense - I cannot see the structure - the MDF I use is rougher - one sees easy the pressed wooden particles ... or maybe it is another type of MDF. I have to check. Thanks again!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

@@sunsande No problem. The veneered board I get from my local timber yard are usually made my Medite, which is a particularly good quality board - even if it is only regular MDF and not MR MDF 🤷‍♂️👍

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

Hi, good video !!, did you also use glue for the waredrobe or just the Lamello fittings?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, glue as well - it increases the joint strength by about 30% if you glue as well. 👍👍

[@ChristopherClaudioSkierka]

@@10MinuteWorkshop ahh will in with the fitting itself but not along the whole lentgh of the lengths of wood? (like it use to be, bk in the ollllllddd days lol ) :)

[@bluewanderer9903]

Hi Peter, it has been a year since you posted this video and if you dont mind me asking I would love to hear your advice on this, if you were to get only one system for panel joining what would it be? (yes I have seen your "domino connect vs clamex" upload). Thank you.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hiya. That’s a tough one tbh, and a lot depends on wether you want a completely hidden fixing, or can live with a small access hole. If you can live with a small hole or cover, then the Lamello and Clamex is hard to beat for sheet goods/panels. I’m not a fan of the Tenso though, so if you want a completely hidden fixing then I’d look elsewhere. The Domino remains the most flexible of all the systems I’ve used in terms of material thicknesses and widths supported and different types of joint. In an ideal world, you’d have both! 🤷‍♂️👍

[@bluewanderer9903]

@@10MinuteWorkshop understood, thank you very much. Yes I will eventually have both. At the moment I mostly work with 18, 22 and 25mm sheet material and cant afford both must prioritise. Dont mind the small access hole, it can be covered. I have recently assembled a wardrobe with cabineo fittings, loved working/assembly process even though they are huge comparing to small access hole of clamex, very strong too but they are cnc only job. Anyway, thank you very much for your time.

[@Goodwithwood69]

Where did you get the gear edge banded?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

My timber yard has a big egebander, does a great job. 👍

[@BensWorkshop]

That does cut an interesting slot.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Certainly does 👍

[@ShopTherapy623]

it was 42 degrees C in Iowa (USA) a few weeks ago....horrible..

[@ramblingman8992]

Here in the UK we have a very humid hewt, so not only do you get hot, but you get sticky as well.

[@ShopTherapy623]

@@ramblingman8992 exact same thing here in Iowa. This is sopping wet heat. Humidity is extremely high - almost unbearable

[@ShopTherapy623]

@@ramblingman8992 part of the reason is that Iowa is mostly corn. And corn adds humidity to the air. Its called the "Corn belt" or "corn sweat" - When the corn is ripe, and the weather is hot, Iowa is a horrible place

[@hyperhype1000]

What phone do you have that can record audio and video to that quality?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

iPhone Xs 👍

[@conspickerous]

Hi Peter. Are you still using the Zeta currently? Worth the investment on top of a Domino? Reason I’m asking is because there is a current Black Friday sale for it (comes with free attachment set)....

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Honestly, I’m not using much of anything, currently, having gone full-time on KZbin this year. But yes, there’s no question that the Zeta has many applications that the domino can’t match. I’ve always struggled with the Tenso fittings, personally, but the Clamex are outstanding. 💪👍

[@conspickerous]

@@10MinuteWorkshop any reason for the Tenso struggles? That is actually the main reason why i’m interested with the Zeta due to its self clamping feature.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

They’ve never clamped up tightly enough for me. Other guys seem to be happy with them, but for me they just don’t have the oomph to pull a joint together tight enough. 🤷‍♂️👍

[@shanesmith1982-w8c]

Is there a reason why the cant be screwed together?

[@Blobjonblob]

Screws into mdf isn't a very strong connection and it's a slow process. With the lomello or the domino it can spped up your work and creates a much stronger joint. Not only that put screws can puff out the edges of mdf.

[@shanesmith1982-w8c]

@@Blobjonblob a lot of people in england and ireland screwing carcasses together. one screw might not be strong, but all together with glue its enough for what it is.

[@Blobjonblob]

@@shanesmith1982-w8c very true I even done it myself. But I think the advantage of the lomello system is it can be very strong and can be taken apart very easy.

[@BischBaschBosch]

@@shanesmith1982-w8c It's not just about strength really bud. I'm quite happy to screw something together if it's hidden and the budget is limited. The beauty of these Lemellos is that, if you're using a veneered sheet material and the unit's you're making are "showy", the joining is hidden - unlike a screw head. Plus, the Lamello Zeta system means you can manufacture off site, flat pack for transit, then assemble quickly on install.

[@shanesmith1982-w8c]

I get its uses concealed fixing, but in this situation it doesnt have any benefits really, Wall to wall units nothing shown. Just my opinion.

[@nikgrekk2020]

If you whant sale the zeta p2 let me know

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

😂I'll be sure to let you know! 👍

[@nikgrekk2020]

@@10MinuteWorkshop where I can share my opinion and doubt about my wardrobe 2.6m tall

[@nikgrekk2020]

@@10MinuteWorkshop shaker style door I have a lot to tell

[@benmaltas2682]

Think I will be sticking with the domino don’t think I’ll be able to justify the price of the machine for what I’ll use it for

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Honestly, I was exactly the same, for years. But I’ve jumped in, and it’s good👍👍🤷‍♂️

[@j_b_woodwork7648]

On the 25th July the temperature reached 39 down in Kent, It was unbearable

[@haleccles1971]

I can feel a twitch in my wallet!

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

God but I hate guys who show off their fancy spendy powah tools... 🙄 Millard Time !! 🍻 😎👍☘

[@xw6968]

Peter Fitzpatrick 🤪😜 or there expencive 4x4 cars...🙄🤷‍♂️

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

@@xw6968 actually Pete drives a berlingo van like meself .... 🙄😂😂 😎👍☘

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I’m told the best people do, Peter... 😆😂🤷‍♂️👍

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

@@10MinuteWorkshop 😏😎👍☘

[@negotiableaffections]

My guess... UK = 'Semicircular Mortice'; US = 'Slot' - Yo pays ya money....

[@jameswilliams5982]

Hammonds bedroom furniture

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

If that’s what you aspire to then I’m sure with diligence and hard work, you’ll get there eventually. 👍👍

[@dimmaz88]

Bloody hell Peter, it's not white 😉. How much is a sheet of that veneered mdf out of interest?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Have to be honest Scott, I don’t actually know! I’ll have to check the invoice & get back to you. Total material cost for the 3 doubles & top-boxes, Sapele veneered throughout, cut & edge banded was ~£1300, inv VAT

[@dimmaz88]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Wohoa, pricey. Worth it though it looks great. Are you doing the finishing? Or should I just wait for the next installment? :)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Scott. Yeah, but it’s what they wanted. 🤷‍♂️ The doors were sent out for spraying, and the Sapele’s had a couple of coats of Osmo, and looks pretty great. Check out my Instagram if you can’t wait for the next KZbin vid. 👍

[@ruinunes8251]

Really, was I the first one to put the thumbs up?

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

... no... 🙄😬