My Hemi Tick is STILL Gone - Better Lubrication Made the Hemi Happy

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Original video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3jFp2V9a5yUbpI

[@lesevans1479]

2020 Ram 1500 Longhorn with 160,000 miles runs excellent - always Mobil 1 full synthetic 5w 30w every 3500 miles --- and before everyone bashes me for changing oil sooner than I need I look at it as oil is cheaper than new engines

[@Ken-h9r]

Oil analysis had ultra platinum pennzoil beating mobil 1. Mobil 1 has been mediocre in oil lab comparisons with other brands.

[@aztlannative162]

2003 1500 5.7 263,000 miles 5-30 mobile 1 synthetic every 4-4k miles for 21 years. Just starting to burn oil.

[@davekinninger112]

Did the same people said I was nuts only 1000 miles on my 2023 Charger Daytona TICK IS GONE no matter when I start it up. Thanks for the video!

[@zonedout5998]

When I bought my new truck (2019 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4), I changed the oil to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic 5w-20 with a Mobil1 113A oil filter. I change every 5,000-6,000 miles. Truck currently has 120,000 miles and I have never had any ticks or knocking sounds. No noise whatsoever. I also just fill it up with shell gas only. 89 or 91 octane. I’m glad my truck is running smoothly with no noises and issues with the 5w-20. And I’m in a hot climate area, Houston.

[@TheXOoftheRO]

Exactly. Quality oil was the number 1 problem

[@yonathanferrer]

I run same oil in do mine every 3k miles and I use costco 91 gas on a new engine My original engine ran up to 123k miles before it blew up, new just just started making a loud tiking noise, it's starts as the usual hemi tick then it goes away after warm up when I go down the road as I accelerate the tick starts to rapidly get really noise I just park the truck at home idk what to do engine came with 100k miles and 2 years warranty it's been 2yrs and 5 months (2016 ram 1500 4x4 5.7l hemi no mds)

[@yonathanferrer]

Also my oil pressure drops down to 15-18psi on idle and will range from 35-40 psi when accelerated. I already changed the position sensor which is what check engine came up with and also the changed the oil pressure sensor still makes the noise only ran for about 10 miles I know check engine might not come off immediately but noise is still there

[@mannyfresh8504]

Funny you mention using Shell gas only as I have just started that this week only going with the v power. I have done some research and seen that plays apart at taking care of Pistons I’ve been heavily researching the 5W 30 versus 5W 20 thing as of right now I’m about to switch my oil over to 5W 20 ultra platinum as well. Just through that in my cart today on Amazon ha ha… I am in a 2020 1500 Laramie

[@mrgoggles1963]

@@yonathanferrer That’s easy. You need new rings, to begin with. Your engine is done.

[@patrickholt4140]

I was always taught to do first oil change at 500 second at 1500 and then every 3,000 after

[@SkippyS13]

That's because the person who taught you was OLD. Back in the day, you needed to change the oil every 1000 to 2000 miles. It eventually hit 3000. technology has improved, base oils have improved, and engine engineering has improved. Using 1980 standards for oil isn't going to hurt anything, but your pocketbook... but it's completely unnecessary.

[@robertwoods6856]

I run 5W30 Full Syn in my 2020 Hemi Rebel. I ignore the computer and change it every 5000 miles. Now at 36,200 miles, no issues. Truck runs great, no hemi tick. Don't think the brand is critical, or even the weight, but the frequency is. All my vehicles, 5000 for oil.

[@enfreakez]

At 36k you better not have any problems, that's still new

[@TheXOoftheRO]

Exactly

[@briandaugherty4466]

I have been using Valvoline Advaced synthetic in everything for at least 8 years. Its been great to me and oil analysis come back good

[@opera93]

Thanks.. interestingly, just switched to VALVOLINE SYN , in my Vehicle’s…(* my Point s Shop did, as I stopped OCI/ work At 77 years young, , , etc .) AnyWAYS, had used a MOBIL ONE/ NAPA GOLD , MIOAR FILTERS/)… anything else,?? on VALVOLINE S((* I figured going tO VALVOLINE RESTORE/ Protectsoon).

[@SaintAndSinner99]

a higher capacity oil pump is what you need. that is the COMPLETE fix for hemi engines 2009 and up. oil weight doesnt matter. oil capacity does. theres just not enough pressure to oil the cam and lifters at idle and at low rpm speeds. a higher capacity oil pump increases pressure AND amount of oil to cover the top end. thats the only fix for these engines to eliminate the hemi tick

[@BryanEnsign]

I put this as a comment as well and saw yours a few minutes after. It's great to see someone else that understand and knows the solutions as well. People still need to tune out the oil pressure check light that comes on but what you and are are saying is not super known yet. 🎉

[@petebeat1510]

Why is the noise not there then? Is that not fixed?

[@MadClowdz]

@@BryanEnsign Melling high volume pumps come with a factory standard spring accessory that you can install prior to putting in the pump that will keep the code from triggering.

[@Evl_Spwn]

I was told to go higher pressure oil pump, not higher volume. Still reading on it

[@endtimesarehere1322]

​​@@Evl_Spwn Melling and Hell Cat oilpump are essentially the same 12% more volume at idle you want volume not pressure. Thicker oil causes higher pressure, but doesn't mean more oil. You want volume no oil pump will give you higher pressure that is determined by the thickness of the oil. Think of it like this. Your body does not need higher blood pressure, because that is hard on your arteries but a thinner blood which means more oxygenated cells are passing through and around back to the lungs more quickly. Which means more oxygen and less carbondioxide in your blood. More efficient.

[@JayNoQuarterReagan]

I just hit 10,500 on my 2023 Rebel and I'm switching my oil to this. I hear the ticking so I'll give it a try thanks brother!

[@2Anut]

Did it work for you?

[@msschill]

How about now?

[@PrimeMKTO]

Now?

[@henrymdza4221]

Now???

[@carloslaurel1688]

and now? 🤣

[@gittyupalice96]

For anyone who believes you can't put 30 viscosity oil in these instead of 20 viscosity, what it comes down to is the main engine bearing gaps on the crankshaft, now thinner oils will travel faster especially in cold weather, so a 5w20 will flow to the cam faster than a 5w30 will... However in the case of the 5.7 Hemi engine, the tolerances allow for up to a 15w40 in actuality, if you look at any engine machine shop spec sheets, its fine... race cars run 15W50 btw ( loose is fast ) I was told by an 60 year engine builder once, they run loose tolerances and 50 viscosity oil. (also the w, in 5w30 means winter rating, not weight.. stop saying weight.. The second number is the viscosity of the oil. In general 5w30 for the Hemi, in cold weather 0w20, in extreme heat 10w40. There you go.

[@BigHRepair]

So I agree with you, but the 15 40 would destroy that mds system. If that system is deleted, you'd have no issues

[@movingearth3726]

The only reason 5w20 is recommended is for the mds system your manual even states 5w30 can be used … use you head more than your mouth

[@chadjohnson7544]

I have 08 5.7 hemi and switched to 5w30 with 100k no knock. This really does work.

[@BigHRepair]

@@chadjohnson7544 more worried about the lifters. If these didn't come with mds I wouldn't even question it. I do think 5-30 is safe tho. Some years ram says you can run it. I don't think mine tho

[@chadjohnson7544]

@secondgensilverado8752 mine says only 5w20 yet 5w20 just doesn't seem to cut it. As soon as I put 5w30 in it runs like a top. Just my experience. I have gen 3 without mds.

[@connorrampage7110]

When I had the cam phazers replaced in my 09 f150, the mechanic told me to start using 5w-30, i asked him why. He told me that oil's have to perform with a hydraulic action as well as a lubricant and a thicker oil eliminates this problem in in lifters and tensioners. I also run a very good friction modifier in it as well, this was five years ago and it runs soo smooth and quiet.

[@mutsquadsmaster746]

My 09 has 303,700 miles on it, always ran 5w20 conventional quaker state in it. Changed the oil religiously at 5000 miles. It does tick on start up but still has power and runs good.

[@bumpylump9236]

Consistent change is key. It keeps the wear from happening sooner. My thoughts is it will tick at some point no matter what oil we use.

[@h.d.mech.mortenson2098]

So many don’t understand how important engine oil changes are !! Mechanics do.

[@tjn2254]

I get 16,000 mile oil and my truck has no tick at 180,000. Sounds like a watch. Probably better to use hi quality fuel.

[@Tngoz]

From all my studying.... Start up tick is normal if your truck sits for day or 2 without starting.

[@AG-td4pm]

Noise on start up normally means exhaust manifold leak

[@DalesDeadBug]

I still use the PUP 5w20 and added Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant to my gas, got rid of the tick.. for a couple weeks. Will give this 5w30 a go once I run out of the 5w20 I have.

[@stevewarfel5788]

Nope!

[@DalesDeadBug]

@@stevewarfel5788yeah it came back.. oh well.

[@stevewarfel5788]

@@DalesDeadBug It is the built in failure so we can't have long lasting anything. They can't put themselves out of business.

[@BayouToad]

My first oil change on my last two trucks have been at 1500 miles. Wanted to get the break in trash out and etc the Amsoil in.

[@danr4197]

Smart man, you want to get any metal shavings from machining out ASAP! Will say though, Amsoil is a WASTE of money! It's nothing but a marketing SCAM and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is the BEST, made with NATURAL GAS!

[@Black_Gun_Control]

You want your hemi to last you? Don’t wait until 5 thousand miles do it at 3

[@jsqared]

I do my 2020 5.7 with 34k on the clock, every 3k miles😅

[@mrmoparrr]

I think it’s insane to wait till 5,6K like they are allowing. I use AmsOil Full Synthetic at 3k no matter what’

[@AmericanSurvival001]

Oh that would be false, I have a hemi with 350,000 miles on it and it’s by far the best engine any of my friends have ever witnessed because they all drive Ford and Chevys and none of them have had a vehicle that made it past 250 I change my oil between five and seven when I get around to it Never more than that and if I’m towing heavy with it, I will change it at five but dumping synthetic fluid out at 3000 miles would be stupid you’ve obviously never tested your oil to know what you’re talking about. I’ve tested mine at 7000 miles and it was an excellent condition That could not be said for a turbo charged engine so you understand the difference aspirated engines and it’s not a Ford with a ton of blow by which all Fords have you don’t need to change it at 3000 miles there’s a difference I owned Ford with 75,000 miles with blow by always consuming oil. It never stopped from New once a hemi has broken it’s a 350,000 mile engine at the minimum.

[@wasupfool5692]

​@@AmericanSurvival001I'm guessing your Hemi is older and does not have MDS

[@mrmoparrr]

@@AmericanSurvival001 put a Magnet 🧲 up to the oil while its Draining!

[@daavid1974]

i also change my oil with 5w30 synthetic oil no more tick a tick even after a week of using my RAM

[@GeorgeDelgado-kj8rh]

How many miles

[@daavid1974]

@@GeorgeDelgado-kj8rh 109000 miles

[@AVRJEH]

Thanks man for this info! I got a Hemi 5.7 that had the tick and - given my ignorance at the time - I took it into the Jeep, Ram dealership and spend a lot of money. If I had only known…

[@jasonmelton8966]

I will tell you the exhaust manifold bolts break happens to all hemis after around 70k to 80k just the 2 rear ones or back of engine replacing the bolts with arp bolts worked great for my truck I did alot of resurch sounds like tick only on start up goes away after it warms up

[@billysimmons2432]

grab the shield and see if it is loose to find and confirm your bolt failure. Planed my oem manifold at 70k and have had no issue on my 17 ram

[@aztlannative162]

5/30 full synthetic mobile 1 for 263,000 miles in 21 years. Drive it like it’s stolen every day. Just started to burn a quart between oil changes done every 3,000-4,000 miles. 2003 ram 1500 5.7.

[@unbearable5883]

I just bought 2024 Ram 1500 Limited. I want to thank you so much for your amazing information sir! I just changed my oil today she only had 850km on her. I put in 5W-30. I spent so much money on the truck, I did not want to take a chance on the "Hemi Tick" Thank you for your video! I truly appreciate it! Salute sir!

[@mikezahnow1605]

I feel sorry for you.

[@unbearable5883]

@@mikezahnow1605 don't be man best decision I ever made buying the truck. I love it worth every penny.

[@mikezahnow1605]

@@unbearable5883 I'm happy you like it. Hope it treats you well.

[@CDNGoMangoSRT]

Yeah man, you can never change the oil too often. These high mileage factory recommended oil changes are ridiculous, completely designed to f'ck your engine.

[@KingFergus]

I bought my truck new in 05, changed the oil with regular oil every 1000 miles until I hit 3000 miles. I then switched to Mobile 1 synthetic. As soon as I switched to Mobile 1 my truck developed the "tick". I ran Mobile one for a few years and then switched to Royal Purple and the tick disappeared. It's expensive but I haven't had any issues since I switched over

[@mrgoggles1963]

Why would you wait several years before switching back to synthetic?

[@KingFergus]

@mrgoggles1963 i uses regular oil during the break in period and then went to synthetic

[@charleskitchenman2915]

I run 5w30 ultra platinum in my hemi bighorn ........ quiet and smooth ....... mobil1 113a filter best oil pressure

[@inboundbryguy]

What climate are you living in? Im up north. Thinking of switching to 5w30

[@charleskitchenman2915]

Live in nj

[@funrob185]

2024 2500 6.4- 0w -40 oil(above 32 degrees it always 40 weight) 22,200 miles Ticks randomly Cold or warm Always turn my cylinder drop off! The one time I didn’t it ticked way more

[@EC-ki5wv]

Warranty that boh

[@mattd603]

First oil change at 1000 miles max.

[@thegunbuilder]

I run 5w30 synthetic in mine with Lucas pure synthetic in the summer, and 5w20 with Lucas pure synthetic in the winter. No issues, and little to no valvetrain noise.

[@aidenrybchuk8098]

you know that it doesn't make a difference with that similar of temperature ratings right?

[@thegunbuilder]

@@aidenrybchuk8098 I see a difference in oil pressure and engine oil temperature compared to 5w20. The oil stays temp stays consistently above 212 degrees, and doesn't fluctuate like the 5w20 does. An oil temp 212+ leads to a longer engine life, and more efficient operation.

[@DellCvz]

Lucas Synthetic Additive is a beast

[@joeswartz8286]

@@DellCvz Is that good or bad? I’ve been warned about using additives. But I’m curious and willing to improve my oil if possible. 👍

[@kenj.8897]

​@@DellCvzLucas is nothing but a heavy oil , nothing special at all . There isn't even detergents in it which is a bad thing .

[@hamms5560]

I have 91k on my hemi and run 5w30 in it for the last 15000 miles. Nice and quiet now. I had a ticking at start up with 5w20. My mileage is the same on the highway I get 21. I live in Minnesota.

[@getinthespace7715]

Bought a 2021 Ram 1500 for my wife with 30k miles on it. It's going to Idle ALOT. I'm going to replace the oil pump with a hellcat pump. Gives higher volume and higher pressure at Idle.

[@bretparisian697]

Let us know how that works

[@luhms01]

Higher oil pressure will cause a check engine light. Run the hellcat pump with the factory Ram 1500 spring, then you get higher volume but same OEM pressure, which means no CEL

[@luhms01]

Try Penzoil Ultra Platinum, 137k on mine….no tick

[@jeffirish7236]

35k on my 2020 think it’s safe to switch over to 5w30? Mainly used for getting groceries.

[@henrymdza4221]

@@luhms01heard that penzoil is trash

[@rileysmith4150]

Idling is what kills these hemis. (Low oil pressure on idle) like has been previously stated they have the melling oil pump. And also the hellcat pump. But they say the melling is the way to go. 2013 with 156k on mine. Still no issues minus normal wear an tear.. thinking bout buying the meling pump soon.

[@clintonbays3614]

Hemi tick. There is a cast webbing under the cam, that runs the full length of the cam. Idle is what kills the lifter. Throws oil on the web and not the cam. Co-worker ran rotella 15w40 for over 300,000 on his 5.7l hemi ram. Pulled motor for different reason. I believe he said it still had the Hash marks on cylinder wals, clean cam. And No tick.

[@edjackson4389]

The modern hemis are not splash lubricated at the cam. Oil flows directly to the cam and lifters. I do agree that extended idle times are bad for them, because of the low oil pressure that occurs at full operating temps with worn out thin 5w20 oil. How would the MDS lifters operate just on splash without direct oil pressure. Don't go past 5k miles with oil changes, run 5w30, and keep idle times to a minimum (especially in the summer) and a stock 5.7 hemi wil run forever.

[@James-rk6go]

​​@@edjackson4389 😂 DON'T IDLE your precious 'lil fragile Hemi too long now boy! 🫵🤠 Lolol RAM JUUUNK

[@edjackson4389]

@@James-rk6go I usually don't have to. Your mom is able to get me off before lifter damage occurs. I drive away, and she's on to the next RAMMING 😂

[@badlilstang]

Redline 5w/30 has been popular because of all the Moly it has in it.

[@anthonyostir1748]

Valvoline advance full synthetic, especially full synthetic high mileage has a lot. Very good oil for a great price. Very underrated.

[@Chiefgeargrinder]

Yeah Virgin sample I tested was 530 ppm moly.

[@Dusdaddy]

Whch there is broad knowledge that Moly is terrible for needle bearings. Gues what fails on lifters of Hemis? Needle bearings. Keep playing around listening to "forum engineers" or this guy. He makes stuff up as he goes. Going from 20w to 30w will not cahnge a thing with those lifters.

[@Chiefgeargrinder]

@Dusdaddy I don't see how Moly would cause needle bearing failures but okay then use diesel oil.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@Chiefgeargrinder Hey, I just follow the engineers. You know, the ones who built it? Not some random stranger on a forum. No one can produce anything concrete to support the change from the manual other than their own anecdotal evidence.

[@Steve-xm3mv]

If you read the manual it says you can run 5-40 if you’re above 32. I have 160k on mine and it’s driven hard. Truck weighs 12200lbs since day one. The motor has no oil spots from leaks. My Chevys and Fords were a grease ball by now.

[@kendavis1198]

5K When you DUMP your Oil, No Further. 7K ain't bad but 5K no Matter who's OIL! I can recommend Schaeffers 5W30 Series 9000, Or AMSOIL 5W30 Signature Series. Give it a Try and see if ya Like it. It's a Bit more $$, I was able to get it at $10.00 Per Quart,(Schaeffers), from a Dealer in Town. See what ya think if ya Try it in the future? AMSOIL is Very Costly Like $15.00 PER QUART unless you sign up as a Preferred Customer, But you Still have to Pay Shipping on the AMSOIL...

[@fsb_-bf3th]

Signature series is good for 25k. And it will be good all the way to the end because it’s actually 100% synthetic unlike the lie of “full synthetic”

[@kendavis1198]

@@fsb_-bf3th 25K Is Just too Far fsb. I've done it (but you forgot to mention) you have to Change the Filter, (Must be an AMSOIL FILTER Also) to be able to go the 25K Under Amsoil's rules/guarantee and TOP OFF the Oil with the same AMSOIL used to go the 25K Distance. Again, I've done like Three times since I became a Dealer in 1997. I do NOT Recommend it to Anyone, even my customers. Sorry fsb, 25K is Just too far on Anyone's Oil, Synthetic Or Full Synthetic, Or Liquid GOLD.

[@billy-bo-dilly]

I have a 2009 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi. That is the first year of the MDS and Mopar states that you should not use an oil thicker than 20W or the MDS will not work properly. I have always used 5W-20 changed every 5K miles. The truck has 250K miles, but at around 200K miles, one of the hated MDS lifters failed ruining my cam and sending metal through the engine. Fortunately, as the original owner of an 09, I have lifetime powertrain warranty and Dodge installed a new long block. I never had any lifter noise with my old motor, but my new motor has lifter noise on startup for 5 seconds or so until oil pressure is built.

[@bears893]

My hemi has 170k+ with mds deactivated, been running royal purple since 80k, change every 3000 to 3500 or so w/new filter,empty catch can, and off we go.

[@383dave]

Been running 5w 30 in a 5.7 since 2013 , no tick . Done 130,000 km. Only problem so far was one exhaust manifold cracked at about 100,000 kms. I run Penrite 10 10ths racing oil , high zinc formula

[@zomgosz1503]

I got p0303 code have a slight tick. Ran 5w30 in the summer and check engine light came on at end of September. Switched to 5w20 with some marvel mystery oil and it's quieted down by check engine light still on.

[@mplslawnguy3389]

Use what is recommended for the engine. I hate when KZbin people like this spread this BS like putting heavier oil in your engine. You use what is recommended and what the engine was designed for, period.

[@dewispelarefarms8223]

​@mplslawnguy3389 They say put thinner oil in the engine for fuel economy. Thicker oil doesn't hurt the engine. My dad runs 15W-40 Rotella in all his trucks. 4 of them are 5.0 coyotes with 100,000 miles a 4.7 V8 Dodge Ram with 203,000 miles and his 5.7 V8 Hemi with 71,000 miles. I run 5W-30 Full synthetic Mobil 1 in my 5.7 V8 70,000 miles purrs like a kitten.

[@HyadumHH]

Using thicker oil on both cold and hot specs will make the engine more quiet, but it will not help with the amount and size of the oil passages, hydraulic valves etc. There is a risk of some very small openings getting stuck and lubrication and cooling will cease to function in that area. Old mechanics use to recommend this tactic on very high mileage engines from 40 years ago, but it no longer applies.

[@dnet8180]

Faithfully use amsoil 5w20 and a wix filter (technically20,000 mile oil!) in my 300s awd hemi but I always change at 6000 even though oil looks new and use recommended mid grade gasoline engine is quiet and strong

[@ryanhemming9546]

How about switching the oil pump out to one with higher flow? Changing oil thickness may make the oil pump work harder or possibly restrict the flow.

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

Techs are telling people to do that use the Hellcat pump is the ACTUAL fix, and if you want to retain MDS you use the non hellcat spring to make your ecu happy...the main issue is idle oil pressure and flow....hellcat pumps solve this because they are high pressure and use the SAME lifter, don't see this failure at remotely the rate in fact I haven't met anyone with the hellcat tick and it uses the same lifter ( the non mds ones )

[@gcovete1642]

Nice video and you are correct about the oil viscosity. Thank you for sharing this with the masses of untrained customers who believe blindly in the OEM engineers who can only warranty the vehicle for 60k max

[@rdallas81]

My Hemi been ticking for 200,000 miles. 10w40 fixed it.

[@Kwhopperfan]

Don’t know how algorithms brought me here but I’m enjoying the comments. With a little research and oil sampling anyone can find out how long you can run your oil. This isn’t the 60’s anymore. With oils being designed to match extended service drain intervals, I have no idea how people are discussing 2 and 3 thousand mile oil changes, BUT thankfully in America everyone can do whatever they want.

[@JoseRodriguez-do8rv]

First oil change at 500 miles ,2nd at 1000,third at 1500. After that every 2000. Premiun fuel always. People I know always wonder what I do that keep my cars running trouble free for so long .I just told you. My 2020 Ram with the Pentastar V6 runs and sounds great with Pennzoil 5W30. 23 MPG average.

[@BBD40]

My last 3 trucks were Ram/Hemi. I had the Hemi tick on all. After switching to 5w30 about a year ago the Hemi tick is gone!

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

It's generally an additive package vs thicker TBN to make a 5w ( both are 5 not talking about an insane Ow which the scat pack specifies or void of warranty 0w-40 which is HARD to source and in both cases you also have to male sure they are Mopar spec oil for warranty retention ask me how I know )...nothing wrong with running a 5w30 go have better protection when at operating temp but cold starts would sound similar..I run 5w-30 in my 21 Limited Ram as well.... I don't think you should tell people that is what cured your truck it was on your first oil change and that along could have settled it down regardless of viscosity ( though no harm in running 5w-30)... Also as you stated several years of owners manuals had the owner running which oils since 2009, well those engines ticked and failed as well even when running THAT years recommendation lifter failure isn't new to this engine at all....its a design flaw which is why ALL the Mopar tech say one of the huge variables is idle time on engine not viscosity ran... Also in my research most lifters fail if they are gonna from 45k-75k you gonna need about 120k to feel safe ( seems like if they make it 100k they make it 200k lol damn)... There WAS a major change to this engine since 2009, iirc it was 2017 they went to a lifter with a much larger captured needle bearing on the wheel.... Lots of assumptions and misinformation, but imho your dead right they push 0w and 5w20 for CAFE compliance, where these big truck engines often hauling loads could benefit from a 5w30 and later a 5w40 ( same cold performance more film strength when warm )... However let's not let dodge of the hook for their design flaw here, my wife's ride turbo gas engine is specced at 0w20 running much warmer oil temps than my Ram down the road, with a much more complex system and Jesus she extends her oil change ( I've tried everything down to taking it myself ), a few weeks ago I was Laying under her ride in a cold and hot start scenario....so quite so tight that engine has another 100k in it easy..... Sad thing is dodge bolts this engine real tight, you add a hellcat oil pump and no more lifter issues, it doesn't have enough oil pressure at idle ( which raising viscosity can help with) for the way the black and MDS is designed... These engines would go 300k if not for the valve train....sad...but even at that if dodge stood behind them could give em a pass for it.... I know a guy personally that trucks to dodge dealerships there are piles of cams, lifters and heads hauled off...piles and piles of lifter cam failures... Best of luck to everyone and myself....lol

[@CaptTetanus]

I did whatcha said, did my research and found like you said. They lied about their recommendations. I did the 5w30 oil change and now runs like an absolute badass. What I thought was an exhaust leak was actually the infamous Hemi Tick!

[@rag5283]

The tick will typically not show up that early. The oil getting to the top of the engine is completely connected to engine rpm.Too low and the oil doesn't lubricate enough. Idling is the killer. Above 1,500 rpm the oil will be sufficient. I will use my gear shift option on my transmission if it has been at too low rpm for any long period.

[@zerep11]

I have been following the Oil/Filter Change Regimen on all of my new vehicles over the last 50 years ... * 1st Oil/Filter Change - 1,000 Miles (+/-) 50 Miles * 2nd - 1,500 Miles Later (+/-) 50 Miles * All After - 3,000 Miles (+/-) 100 Miles * Engine Oil - Valvoline Full Synthetic; Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic (After 50,000 Miles or 10 Years) * Oil Filters - Prior: AC Delco/Purolater/Motorcraft; Now: Fram FE High-Flow Since Out * *Engine Issues - Zero*

[@CaptTetanus]

And the argument over prolonged idle times. So also when I made the switch, I was running mid to high 20s psi at 600rpm. Now it runs religiously at 41psi at 600rpm. So it’s getting very liberal amounts of oil at all times! Extremely happy I made the switch!

[@stevewarfel5788]

Pressure does not indicate flow.

[@rbarr6]

I have an old Chevy HHR with 200,000 miles that I spend the least that I can maintaining it. The lower-cost 5w30 oils on the shelf seem to be out of stock more than than not, so this is an area that I have come to terms with by spending a bit more on oil. Since it uses a quart of oil every month, I’m not spending $11.99 a quart on Royal Purple.

[@Matp345]

That water oil is the EPA being dictators. I switched to 0w40 srt Pennzoil and disabled that MDS trash. I gained 2mpg and engine is quite. I do my changes every 3k.

[@ronswanson8563]

Something since that Brand Rank channel started is how some filters may filter better but restrict the oil flow a lot. There's definitely a big difference with higher quality filters like Wix XP over their regular filter in terms of oil pressure and flow, the Mobil-1 Extended Performance also great on flow, but little less filter; however, if not getting a lot of wear, should not be a big deal. I was surprised to see Toyota oem filters flow great, but filter poorly and seen those dealer maintained ones hit 1million miles, so figures the Mobil-1 extended performance or Wix XP should do the job getting flow but better filtering.

[@chadd587]

Always use quality oil, like Amsoil. The other is don't let a hemi sit idling. The camshaft is a long way from the crank throws and doesn't get properly oiled. This is specific to the hemi head design as the pushrods are at an extreme angle to the rockers and to offset this they simply raised the cam within the block, which caused low rpm oiling problems. Probably why older oil is less capable of reaching this point and properly oiling when it does than fresh oil. You don't have to change every 3k miles. Just buy the best oil available.

[@mypronouniswtf5559]

It doesnt rely on splash,it has pressurized oil system and it has oil passages/gallery above the crankshaft that keep lifters,cam etc oiled all the time.Look at the block! Funny the 2003-2008 Hemi is designed the same and does not have the issue the Eagle Head Hemi does thats the 2009-current Hemi.

[@chadd587]

@@mypronouniswtf5559 I did look at the block. You think I just made it up?

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

Yea that's why it needs more idle pressure from the hellcat pump which solves this issue...and by default techs agree the number 1 variable is idle percentage SO that does indicate a design flaw...ug

[@mikeschlup5279]

Redline oil works great for this engine. .

[@selfcarefordudes]

We let our Hemi idle all the time, 200k miles and it runs great.

[@scotta9114]

I just swith hed from 5w-20 to 5w-30. Oil pressure got on freeway the same at 51 PSI. MDS wirks just fine. I have some Euro 5w-40 I will try next time. Ours had 59K mikes, much of that Interstates/Freeways. Thanks for the video.

[@345airwreck]

Any problems ?

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

The main problem with these Hemi’s is the splash oil system for the cam. Those head ports are horizontal not vertical which of course lets oil flow down faster than horizontal. Here is what I’ve learned tonight and in the last couple of days about these Hemi’s, especially the 6.4. 1. Splash oiling is a big problem at idle especially. 2. I’m changing to 5W-30 full synthetic. 3. I’m going to start putting a zinc additive in the oil. I’ll deal with the Catalytic Converter if needed later. 4. MDS we get turned off every time I drive the truck. It’s just a matter of mashing a button. 5. I am also thinking about adding Lucas oil stabilizer. I heard BG makes a good additive too.

[@wowdude8244]

How do you disable the MDS? I'm new to hemi

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

@@wowdude8244 You can disable MDS three ways 1.By a tune but that might void your warranty. 2. Use the manual shift button when you’re driving or before you move the truck and put it 6 or whatever gear you do not want to go above. 3. You can turn on the tow haul by pressing the button each time you drive but your fuel mileage will suffer. Personally, I just put the truck in six with the plus and minus button on the gearshift. It’s kind of a pain to remember that every time you get in the truck but it’s better than the alternative which is about a $4000 repair.

[@wowdude8244]

@@Iwillnotbepushed so disabling MDS truck will have high oil PSI at idle or will only cancel the cylinder deactivation?

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

@@wowdude8244 it only cancels the MDS. If I idle for very long I raise the revs to about 2000 rpm every two or three minutes. Just to keep the cam lubed. Although even at idle I’m showing 53 psi of oil pressure. That should be enough but these Hemi’s say no. Another problem with the cams by the way was the heat treating. It wasn’t holding up under the MDS lifters especially. Not sure why.

[@wowdude8244]

@@Iwillnotbepushed thanks

[@timbrown8038]

I never heard my hemi tick. Just started running bad. Very little power. Lifter collapsed chewed up camshaft. 2012 Dodge Ram 96k. Purchased new oil changes every 3k. Never abused. Daily driver mostly highway. I believe that the MDS did this to my engine. I had it deleted. Full time 8 now.

[@BigHRepair]

Keep idle down too, that's an issue people don't realize with these.

[@bravetraveler5403]

I have a 2012 with 180k miles on it and no tick yet. Always used 5w20 oil, changed every 3k miles. Car manufacturers are building crap nowadays

[@movingearth3726]

And the tapping is from hydraulic lifters having leak down yes it still sucks but no it’s not tearing up the motor … mine just had its first time doing it at 105,000 miles no big deal Lucas every two oil changes is what I use and I have had four hemis with over 300,000 miles and I actually still have two motor in different cars still running strong and mind you they get the piss beat out of them fully tuned and all

[@joshkrause2977]

Do you know why they switched to 5w20??? They added VVT, the VVT system speeds up or slows down your camshaft. Keep your oil clean and don’t over idle your vehicle because if you do the camshaft will beat the crap out of your lifters.

[@migueltron24]

I dont have a truck, but have a 2021 dodge durango 5.7 and i got it brand new, and have done all my oils at 4500 times and i always use penzoil full synthetic 5w-20 what the engine says. And have never had an issue with hemi tick,but i put just premium fuel to tho

[@stevewarfel5788]

All that does is waste money. Higher octane resists detonation from high compression. That is all. Nothing more.

[@godw1ll99]

the problem is the mds solenoids are hydro driven and if the wrong oil weight is in it causes issues.

[@tyrrellroach5872]

So if you were using 0w-20 in your hemi you were using too light a weight oil. In both of the 2020 truck that I have with the 6.4 it should be 0w-40 which is not easy to find and few places actually sell it. It’s actually an oil used in light duty diesels. That last number is important

[@sales007s8]

If Bill Belichick made this video, it would sound exactly the same. Thank for the video!

[@LORD-xg2ks]

I have a 2016 Ram 1500, 54k miles. I change my oil every 5k miles with Pennzoil Plat synth, I have a very small tick and always had. I do think 3k miles is way too excessive, and mine has MDS (some Chrysler techs have suggested that MDS has nothing to do with the tick). Either way, I will continue to run 5W-20 until new symptoms occur. Oil is pricey! (Plus grinding a cam will give me the excuse to put a performance one in!)

[@cbarrios28]

Luke warm start you hear a little bit at start and then it quiets down right away.

[@earlkozak6538]

Have owned a 2012 1500 5.7 Hemi since new. Have stuck with a quality 5W20 full synthetic. Truck runs very nicely! I have had to fix broken exhaust manifold studs. That can really sound like the Hemi tick!

[@skruface]

Switching to a Melling high-volume oil pump (20% more flow than a stock MOPAR pump) is a huge improvement in lubrication as well. Most hemi lifters that fail are due to underlubrication during long idle periods - most of these engines that fail are in trucks that idle for long hours (eg: police trucks).

[@KimMcCartney-l2o]

I would like to see you make a video cutting open the oil filter on the 7,000 mile oil change to see how the filter media performed… I have a 5.7L Ram and the oil filter is not much bigger than what is on my two cylinder john deere riding mower… I run my oil changes out to 3,000 miles and I am skeptical that this small filter will go much past 3,000 miles without some oil bypassing and running unfiltered oil directly to the main bearings… And yes, I have tried putting 3 different bigger oil filters on my truck, but the steering aluminum housing is directly below the oil filter and they cannot be installed in the factory position… And yes, I could put a remote oil filter kit on the truck, but I don’t want to at this time.

[@LordBritishTTV]

Be warned, the wrong oil viscosity can cause VVT issues and throw engine codes, and when that happens, the computer goes into “limp home” mode with no power until you replace the oil with the proper weight and reset the code. The code will fire on the second ignition cycle like clockwork.

[@BryanEnsign]

The hemi tick is due to lack of lubrication and can be solved by putting the hellcat oil pump on your truck instead of using the stock one. That gives an extra 2 to 3 lb of pressure to push that oil up where it needs to go. Then you would tune out the notification on your dashboard saying the pressure is different from the check engine light and you will not have that issue anymore. You should not change the viscosity of the oil in your truck to try to solve this. I'm glad it's working for now but that's not the best way to take care of the problem.

[@ZachTheRipper716]

A better pump will definitely contribute to solving the issue, however the hellcat pump puts out way more psi than just a few. Isnt a direct fit either. Just buy a Melling and you'll be better off.

[@tomkaufman3914]

I have to agree with you buddy,5w-30 will run a hemi with no problem.

[@Over_Taxed_USA]

Amsoil 5w30 Signature Series 100% synthetic oil is what I use in mine!

[@bmf88]

Been running 5w30 from day one on my 19 ram 1500 almost identical to the one in this video and its a waste still rattles and make noises.. i also change it with untra platinum 5w30 every 5k miles the fix is a hellcat highvolume oil pump or the new melling hi-volume pump if u have a stock oil pump try not to let it idle long periods of time.

[@scotta9114]

What about using good old 10w-30. I use that in all my vehicles as our winters aren't that cold.

[@Highspedlowdrag]

Engine oil isint the only thing Ran has changed. I own a 12 big horn, they have changed the diff fluids twice from the original.

[@94FIVEPOINTOHSTANG]

Mds first came in 2005 300c for sure and grand cherokee i think(?), FYI, 2009 is when they added in Variable valve timing. But completely agree 5w-30 penzoil ultra platnium and some Motorkote(look it up project farm motorkote here on youtube) what i use in wife durango. Her bein first responder the motorkote should help protect from developing piston slap on cold emergency starts, very impressed with motorkote protection

[@justingonzalez12391]

I can definitely attest to what he’s saying. Had the typical lifter tick and cam lobe deterioration on my ‘12 1500. After swapping in a new cam, lifters, etc. I switched over to 5w30 and have never looked back. Lifter tick came in at around 85k miles and had complete engine failure due to the cam wearing down at around 88k. Needless to say a full rebuild later and 5w30 in the oil pan the truck is about to hit 200k strong. Make the switch to 5w30 and you will have a truck for decades to come

[@paramd1129]

I have the ‘09 Ram 1500 same Gen III hemi as your ‘12 Ram. Couple people said do 5w30, some said don’t it’ll screw MDS. I have a slight lifter tick, OG motor 140k miles. How long you run 5w30?

[@salsal88]

What oil filter do you recommend?

[@hamms5560]

@@paramd1129it doesn’t mess with mds. I get the same mileage and mine kicks in the same. 5w30 made me like this engine again. I don’t like a noisy engine. It is so smooth and quiet now. You will not regret it.

[@James-rk6go]

Lmao yep sounds like a typical Hemi 🗑

[@privers5227]

Wondr why the 6.4 have less cam failures ? 0w40 oil. Run 5w40 and sure makes the valvetrain quieter

[@wanted-33]

Mine didn't start that valve train ticking at cold start until I had the second oil change (it stops quickly though). It's not the Hemi Tick, its from the oil draining back into the pan leaving the valves/lifters unprotected). I don't drive my truck everyday. It shouldn't do that, but of course the dealer says it's normal. I just had the oil changed at 10K miles. (I change every 5K). Next oil change (they are free at my dealer) I'm gonna have them put the 5/30 in to see if that takes care of the problem. Thanks for the tip.

[@johngarner9929]

It did not cure mine - two lifters failed due to insufficient lubrication while idling for extended periods of time. Ran 5w30 from the start.

[@Garrett-In-Canada]

I’ve run full synthetic in my 2022 Durango since day 1

[@patrickholt4140]

I would tend to believe that as long as the low number matches the top number wouldn’t matter that much

[@flicksifyr6793]

I recommend checking out BND automotive’s “Quantum Blue” oil. The owner brian recommends 7.5w23 for the 5.7 hemi. After putting this stuff in i could notice a huge difference over the 5w20 ive been putting in there forever

[@82lowe36id]

Been running AMSOIL 5W-20 XL since I got my 2015 Ram 1500 5.7L. Now have 100200 miles and no issue. I change oil when computer says it’s time.

[@tonysteele3805]

If you want even better oil, get the ACEA C3 euro spec oils that have HTHS of 3.5 or greater. Mobil 1 ESP 0W30 is a great example.

[@billhamilton7524]

Im gonna try the Costco 5-30 full synthetic ,,stay tuned

[@VincentSmith-q2x]

I watched both videos. I drive a f 150 5.0 engine. I have the same sounds coming from my engine also. I hate it so much that i am also trying 5w30. My truck says to use 5w20, Forget about it. Like i heard , it should nt hurt it . If it dose nt, I will change it Thanks for the info.

[@kacesmithhart5005]

I also switched to 5w30 and went to a 180 thermostat and removed active grill shutter b.s. truck runs 185 to 190 instead of 210 to 220. 90k miles and still quite. Truck picked up .5 mpg with mds and active grill shutter disabled. Big fail mopar.

[@lowlifegarage]

The first oil change i did on my 2024 at 764 miles. (Getting metal out) that sh*t went everywhere. Litterally like water. I out full syn 0w20 back in and at idle its rough. Brand new rig. Im swapping to 5w30. I have my mds off. It may indeed f*ck those lifters up. But ill just change em and do everything myself. I was worried about the 0w20 and dear god, that is straight water

[@billhamilton7524]

Just bought a new challenger 5.7, its had a very mild tick from day one ,very concerning ,the filler cap calls out for 0-20 then I see older 5.7 same engine calling for 5-20,whats up with that right ? I just did the oil change and put in 0-20 , but im dumping it and going thicker ,,my brothers a mechanic and when I told him the weight he said the same thing ,,for gas mileage ,go thicker Thanks for sharing

[@myhoodiskc]

If 1:04 is a good healthy engine sound then i should be fine. I still think it sound ticky lol

[@neldog510]

How is your motor now? I know this is a old video but I had to ask.👍🏽

[@dark30welderwelding11]

I do first oil & filter change on a New vehicle at 500 miles

[@jrodz808]

What octane fuel you put in it?

[@jameshowell7285]

I got 2017 ram with 85000 kms it has the exhaust tick an I always change my oil at @6k only full synthetic, Your motor will not last if u follow the oil life indicator

[@hvacdr]

Ya that's what my truck sounds like already and I am iffy about it. Quite worried.

[@dane5896]

Mine started making noise at 70,000 miles, I traded it in, didn't want to go for cams and lifters. $$$

[@timmcpeck7527]

Mine just started it at 75k. You can hear it more when you put it in drive and keep your foot on the brake. It’s a little louder when it’s cold. Thinking of trading it in for a tundra lol

[@heatmoon]

What temperature thermostat do you all use? Use the standard 20or 203? I got a new water pump and they used a cooler thermostat, maybe high 180s and im wondering if thats it. Definitely going to chmage to 5w30 asap . 5w20 doesnt seem like the right choice for a motor made work like these.

[@73bluedart]

need full synthetic with oil spec MS-6395!!!!

[@matthewmiller2268]

I would stick to the 5,000 mi oil change intervals... And this is coming from another KZbin channel that's called " The car Care nut " with AMD... This gentleman has his own shop and is a master certified technician that's been doing mechanic work for a long time... The main concerned without going past 5,000 mi is because of degradation due to hot/cold cycles and fuel contamination overtime especially if the cylinders are not sealing well and proper break-in procedure was not done where you change the oil at 100, 300, 500, 750 and 1000 miles... The goal is to have the oil tested and also allow for proper break in done so you are mitigating and minimizing extensive wear and tear from the bearings and rings that are wearing in to provide not only good clearance for lubricants, but also good sealing for the rings once they're broken in. I know it seems like I'm writing a novel, but this information is important. This break-in interval would apply to any internal combustion engine. I know diesels have a longer break in considering the materials are more hearty to endure greater pressures, but I think the point is definitely sound with the fact that you want your engine to last 500,000 or more miles and still run just as good the day you drove it off the lot... How you take care of/maintain the engine is important.