My Hero Academia 5x23 - "Tenko Shimura: Origin" REACTION!!

[@thecouncilofnine4692]

So Tomura's childhood is a combination of the most tragic backstories of the series. •He grew up admiring heroes despite not having quirk. Except he did not had a loving family to inspire him to go after his dream like Deku. •Like Shoto, he had an abusive father, but no one to help him get trough the abuse. •Like Eri, he had a deadly and unstable quirk that killed his family. But fell in the hands of a villain instaed of a hero. And his father is pretty much what Kota would end up being if Deku did not saved him.

[@hhcdfhngdzjjbf579]

Never really thought of that. All the pain that we've felt throughout the series, tomura has it all. And I immediately felt the parallels between the dad and Kota, and it just made me appreciate deku that much more. Just how much pain and sadness that can come from a hero simply not stepping up is becoming much more serious.

[@eduardoesquinca50]

for the same reasons you just said, tenko is the weakest of all (mind), for me i just disagree that tenko did not have a loving familly, he even had a better familly than shoto, shoto did have abuse at all times even cost him a bad burn in his left eye, tenko was just grounded and slaped once, because he had a father that hate heroes and wanted to teach him they are not as good as they think, but he was going to apologize the same day he slaped him, but the weak boy crumbled like the cristal generation of today, shoto did have more reasons to become bad, but he is strong and stood in the right path, wich is protecting the weak (hero) and dont even ask me about eri, because she was beeing riped apart and killed and resurrect over and over again, so that is why i dont like shigaraki, his reasons are just stupid and weak, but if he has an excuse maybe is what they were talking about quirks, they change people, like the crazy girl that sucks blood, but anyway what he did, killing his good familly just because of a slap and beeing grounded, that is not good in any way

[@dragonsoul_rjf8525]

I wouldn´t say that he grew up without a quirk. I bet he wasn´t bullyed for not having a quirk, like deku did. But what they hav in common is admiring heros, but everyone told him he couldn´t be one himself. He just needed to be told that he can be a hero.....

[@Kastle999]

@@eduardoesquinca50 you missed the point shigaraki killed literally his whole family except his dad by mistake he didn’t want to kill them he was angry like any kid and his quirk activated from that. If shoto couldn’t control his quirk he would’ve ended up the same accidentally burning and killing his mother and father but his father had made him control it form a young age.

[@ChairWithScoliosis]

@@dragonsoul_rjf8525 he was only 5, deku didnt start getting bullied until grade school so we really dont know what shigaraki's school life wouldve been like

[@hikari9433]

1) Nana Shimura forbid any of her heroes friends to ever come in contact with her son and he was put into the system from a very young age. So he pretty much grew up alone without any real parental figure or role model. 2) On another video, someone said that Shigaraki's quirk manifested at the worst possible timing. The sister knew she was wrong and came to apologize, the dad realized he went too far and was forced to confront his past, he asked where the kids were meaning he probably planned to have a talk with them. And the mom and the grand parents finally found the courage to confront the dad and say to his face that enough is enough.

[@Nightfurygaming247]

Nana is a she. the second point was good though.

[@VerbeekTruther]

Man, Nana really fucked up the whole parenting thing

[@hikari9433]

@@Nightfurygaming247 That was obviously a typing error, didn't even notice I used "his" lol. I wrote that comment fast and english is not my first language so... 😅

[@Horacio_Poggi]

Another thing to remember is that Nana's husband was killed by All for One, and that's one of the reasons Nana abandoned her child, to protect him.

[@hikari9433]

@@Horacio_Poggi That's true, but I still think it wasn't the best choice. Had villains found out about her son and come after him, no heroes would've been there to protect him. All For One still ended up finding Shigaraki and he knew he was Nana's grandson, all while heroes like All Might and Gran Torino who could've prevented it were completely in the dark. So she took a real risk that ended up backfiring one generation later. But to be fair to Nana Shimura, her decision was coming from a good place and it's not like she could've predicted how awful things would've turned out.

[@thecouncilofnine4692]

Mon was a good boy. He knew Tenko wasn't hurting him on purpose, knew Tenko was in pain and stood by his side as he crumbled. That dog was more loyal and caring to that poor kid than his whole family. This is so messed up and sad. Not that his mother was bad, but still, she should have stopped the dad before things got out of control.

[@ultracollectorz9970]

Bruh!! 😭😭😭

[@wrath495]

Well as we saw in the episode she did try to stop Tenko's dad once their relationship turned into flat out physical abuse. She was willing to try and make things work the way they were before, which is understandable imo, but once she saw him attack Tenko we see afterwards that she confronted him about it and made it clear that she wouldn't support this. We also see that the only reason she was staying quiet before was because she believed Tenko's truly wanted to give him a happy life, but once it got to the point it did, she did confront him. I would say her biggest mistake was not standing by her son in the moment it happened. Not to mention that the timing for his quirk awakening, literally couldn't have been worse. It was just the perfect chain reaction that led to tragedy. I think the only person that can be truly culpable here, is indeed Tenko's dad, since he was the reason that child was in such an instable and just sad mental state.

[@liliesta]

@@wrath495 i agree with you. I think the saddest thing about it was how late she always was. She tried to comfort him, but the damage was already done and she didn’t even get to hug him at all before she decayed before his eyes.

[@monkeydance3894]

Dog’s love is pure

[@SpeaksYourWord]

I don't blame her but I think she was conflicted. She definitely didn't want her husband to treat his son that way but still agreed with him on the hero thing. She certainly didn't want him to turn into another trash human being like his grandmother.

[@NickEclipse]

They animated the hell out of that last crazed face on Shigaraki. Perfectly done justice to the manga

[@elijahbaker781]

Definitely it still looks creepy in the anime.

[@jordandavis5206]

Bruh will you shut the hell up? You’re on every god damn reactor channel talking about the freaking manga. Nobody gives a damn

[@dicelexic]

@@jordandavis5206 who?

[@jordandavis5206]

@@dicelexic this Nicholas guy, he’s everywhere copying and pasting the same comments talking about the anime vs manga. It’s annoying ash

[@Joakin93]

@@elijahbaker781 *manga

[@777MangaKing7771]

It was stated before that Shigaraki's quirk was a mutation like Eri's so it didn't match anything on either side of the family. Usually kids get one of their parents quirks or a mix of the two, but with mutations there's no telling what ability they'll have. Also remember people aren't really allowed use quirks unless they have a license so that's why we don't see a lot of ordinary people using their quirks in everyday life even if they have them.

[@grodon909]

There's another hypothesis out there. It was cut from the anime, but tenko got lost at some point and was brought home by a man in a trench coat. They didn't show his face, but they also never show the face for AFO. The hypothesis being that AFO gave him a quirk that, when I manifests would probably kill at least one family member. Then he could swoop in and pick up the pieces. And he did that just so that he could torture all might and besmirch Nana shimuras legacy.

[@VegaSlides]

@@grodon909 The only issue with that theory is how we learn quirk factors work later makes it not technically possible.

[@grodon909]

@@VegaSlides If I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking, I think there was a way around it, at least based on one recent antagonist.

[@The-Beyonder]

@@VegaSlides it's still possible

[@123newjersey3]

Quirk Mixing is like Quirk + Quirk, and is pretty common. Quirk mutation is like Quirk² × Quirk² and its very unpredictable what aspects are getting magnified.

[@Taizen001]

It's such a horribly tragic backstory. Before this, I never imagined I'd ever shed a tear for Shigaraki.

[@justacuteonigiri]

I didnt, I was laughing really

[@SpieleSuchti894]

@@justacuteonigiri wtf mate

[@dankainsley8424]

@@justacuteonigiri edgy 😎😈

[@oakeii]

@@justacuteonigiri woah, watch out for this uber cool badass 😎

[@justacuteonigiri]

@@oakeii fear me

[@Wezt334]

“It’s never done that” Well it has, if you think back to season 1 when he started decaying Erasers elbow it wasnt just ash but literally breaking down his skin and muscle. Due to the age rating of the show in Japan there is a large amount of censorship regarding how they show certain things, Shigarakis quirk being one of them. This time due to the nature of the storyline they continue to use the “crumbing to ash” animation they have been using when the quirk is being used but still show the after effects of how his quirk actually works (the chunks of human remains and pools of blood) as a compromise to fans.

[@jessebrown1996]

I think they're talking about how it literally disintegrated them entirely straight away. Erasers elbow isn't a good example since it was just his elbow.

[@Wezt334]

@@XBitX it’s cool that you view it that way, honestly the censorship is not a problem to me unlike a lot of manga reader who seem to think it’s the end of world (considering what’s coming in future arcs it looks like a lot will be censored/changed) just explaining why things are different and why it looks to them that his quirk has never done that before. Honestly the only censorship/change I have a problem with is in the next episode and even then it’s not the worst thing in the world, it just doesn’t look right to me and means they will have to keep doing the change for a while but even then I knew it was coming since the ending of Heroes Rising

[@Not-Andy-Here]

It doesn't make sense for the manga to be uncensored and the anime not

[@Wezt334]

@@jessebrown1996 nah I took it as them talking about the blood as they said it when that happened. The fast disintegration had already been shown in previous episodes so that wouldn’t be a first for them.

[@jo0rd73]

The reason it looked like it ‘never did that’ to many is simply because of censorship

[@raec5426]

Shigaraki's family *died* with how they *treated* him -- His sister turning her back on him, his mom reaching out to him but too late, his grandparents staying on the sidelines passively, and his dad rebuking him through violence.

[@ChrisDixon__]

Nice observation.

[@godspeedknight786]

Excellent observation.

[@mintellcetuals5186]

And Mon-chan comforting him

[@kartikeytyagi2330]

His dad's violence that you're talking about is not that big of a violence when you compare it to fathers like Endeavour. Even a small amount of violence is violence I agree on that and in no way I'm defending Shigaraki's father but the actions that he took are taken by most parents irl. All parents have hit their children a few times. There are no angel parents who always took right decisions and were always loving, also parents ground their children all the time, lock them in rooms and other things as well. Kentaro's actions are also the same but the *Decay Quirk* made all the difference. If it wasn't for that quirk Shigaraki wouldn't have become a villain as his dad was finally going to change his methods

[@oakeii]

@@kartikeytyagi2330 it's not entirely his quirk's fault, though. if kotaro stopped and actually thought about tenko's itching instead of yelling at him and trying to convince him that he'll never be a hero, maybe he would've actually taken tenko to the doctor and gotten his quirk checked out. also, if it weren't for kotaro's abuse, i doubt tenko's quirk would've surfaced so violently, either. quirks are very reactive to emotions (hence why quirk awakenings exist), so i don't doubt that his quirk may have exploded all at once because of the trauma of being beat by his own father.

[@akashshetty5112]

Nana’s son Kotaro resented his mother for leaving him when he was a kid. He felt that giving him up into foster care was the equivalent of her abandoning him to help strangers. That being a hero was more important than family. Because of that choice ironically he grew up thinking the worst of heroes. And abused his son Tenko who once loved heroes.

[@joshlee7666]

If it wasn't for Deku, Kota might have gone down a similar path.

[@potatomuncher3530]

@@joshlee7666 If it wasn't for Deku Kota would be fcking dead xD

[@lutherholayeahme7449]

@@potatomuncher3530 lol

[@clydehomlett7172]

He said to his Mother that his itching’s manifesting only when he’s at home. It’s definetly the atmosphere of stress he’s living at home provoking those.

[@Blaaaacc]

He said it’s the worst when he’s at home meaning he’s always had it, just intense at home

[@Haruka6799]

​@@Blaaaaccyeah cause it's stress and anxiety he only scratches whenever he's stress about something and stops itching (albeit temporarily) when he releases that stress via decaying someone or something

[@danielruiz8259]

13:57 Fun Fact: That's how it's visualize Shigaraki's quirk in the manga, while in the anime, when used on people, is always censored by having him basically turned the person into a white stone-like statues, then they either crumble or turn to dust.

[@kraddaku1567]

I love how he still called out for his dad before even thinking of killing him, but once he hit him instead of try to help. He gave up all hope and killed the man who kept abusing him

[@markdavis7128]

there is honestly nothing the dad coulda done, when he hit him to me i figured he was tryna hit him back into his senses not as a last punishment kid of thing cuz shig had destroyed the stuff behind and in front of the dad touching the ground

[@coniwiiuwu5578]

I mean… you just saw your kid destroy stuff while the remains of your family are around him. I wouldn’t have been calm either lol

[@leeleelee7878]

@@coniwiiuwu5578 You definitely shouldn't provoke and trigger someone who's mentally unstable either

[@coniwiiuwu5578]

@@leeleelee7878 yeah for sure

[@jefferyfosterjf]

Yeah exactly

[@bxnative247]

Damn the ending left y’all speechless lol. I don’t blame y’all shit was intense. Also Shigaraki Itches when he wants to kill someone.

[@reira402]

He itches when he's stressed and anxious by something, or simply wants to destroy, but it's not necessary about killing, it's much more than this

[@Sheechiibii]

@@reira402 Agreed, I don't get the impression at all that the itching is connected to killing or wanting to kill. It seems clearly stress, anxiety, fear based.

[@Sheechiibii]

@Doppelganger D Yes I agree, and I think his inclination to kill to solve his problems/ in response to being annoyed or stressed is learned, not intrinsic. Like you said, he just doesn't know any other way of dealing with it.

[@jo0rd73]

The saddest part is how his family rejects his fathers rules at the last minute. It goes to show you should never wait to speak out about abuse, you never know when it’ll be too late to save the victim or prevent them from victimising others.

[@ayselengin1798]

it wasnt too late to save victims, as long as they are alive, there will be always hope.

[@jo0rd73]

@@ayselengin1798 That’s what I mean, you never know when the abuse will lead to their death or the hurt and/or death of others so early intervention is key

[@ayselengin1798]

@@jo0rd73 yeah but i am always talking about future

[@Birthday888]

Well, the saddest thing is that was likely the first physical case of abuse from the father. He's implied to be distant, cold, and very much a shitty parent, but not abusive. And just when he's decided to try and open up to the kids about his past, Shigaraki's quirk activates. Had his quirk not activated at that precise moment, this probably would have had a much happier ending.

[@jo0rd73]

@@Birthday888 Mental abuse is still abuse and can often be much worse than physical. Ask anyone who’s been mentally abused for an extended period of time. I get your point but I was speaking more so about the mental abuse, his father tried to do right but all he did was bully his son and everyone else around him forcing them to facilitate his terrible behaviour. I don’t think having one sort of redeeming moment indicates he would turn over a new leaf. Abusive people don’t change that quickly, they need to unlearn that behaviour over a long time and lots of therapy. It was terrible what Tonura did but he was a terrified child vengeful of the abuse his father brought upon him and his family who allowed it. None of this is Tomuras fault, the neglectful actions of his family (besides his sis she was too young to know better) led to their own demise.

[@mangaflipnoteanimations6159]

The decay was always supposed to be graphic but it has been censored a lot. People say the bluray might show them decaying without the gray color but I m not sure. Because the gray stone-like decay is more of a way to censor its effects

[@awed1139]

You guys exaggerate, reread the manga its barely censored adding blood spurts when cracking would be a minimal addition.

[@mangaflipnoteanimations6159]

@@awed1139 im just saying that they put a gray color to the decayed so it looks like they turn to ash when they actually fall to pieces, its not an exaggeration

[@jacobtaylor5879]

@@awed1139 in the manga they litterally turned to chunks on impact, thats why there is blood everywhere its not just "blood spurts out a crack" its drawn like gore. in the anime its like hes medusa turning people to stone, even storyboard wise it makes no sense that he turns the dog to stone, it dusts, and then there's just chunks of it on the floor, whys there flesh didn't it literally just turn to dust? its cuz in the manga the dog didn't turn to stone his flesh broke apart. its not a big deal like you said but dont act like they didn't severely cut back lmao thats no exaggeration. the manga suprisingly visualizes things way more graphically.

[@CDexie]

@@awed1139 nah, it's pretty gruesome dude, and it's fine that it's censored. But, like, when his mother crumbles away her blood literally spills all over him.

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

If you want to play mental gymnastics for the anime you could also say it was because he just manifested his Quirk I guess.

[@elkaidred0512]

MVA is the turning point for this show. Everything after this, dives into a different part of Horikoshi's mind, we will see how he tackles the progression of a Hero Society without someone to keep the peace going. We will see how facing that type of situation can affect certain people and what kind of pressure that puts on those who are trying to shoulder all of it ALONE.

[@lamie0237]

A very sad detail is when Shigaraki says at 11:03 "I only itch at home" This is clarified as Shigarakis itch only happens at his house, because that's where he faces his abuse. It's his unconscious reaction to his father and those at his home.

[@Platimum291]

"You heroes hurt your own families just to protect complete strangers" is one of my favorite quotes in the entire series.

[@chick1000123]

love when shiggy makes this speech to endeavor and he just completely ignores him even though he is part of the problem lol

[@Sheechiibii]

Spoilers guys??

[@Platimum291]

@@Sheechiibii Who's "guys?" I just quoted what the dad said in the episode.

[@Sheechiibii]

@@Platimum291 The quote is different to the one the dad said. The quote you gave made it sound like it was being said towards heroes "you heroes hurt your own families" not towards Shigaraki "heroes hurt their own families". Granted, many might have taken your comment as a mistype if not for the follow up comment confirming it was a spoiler, and adding more spoilers. It wasn't as bad as the second comment, but it was not as subtle as you seem to think. And you didn't quote what the dad said in the episode, we all know that know.

[@chick1000123]

@@Sheechiibii No, actually the sub for the episode is different. At that moment Kotaro tells Tenko, "heroes hurt their own families only to protect complete strangers." that is the translation in the manga, which i like better.

[@alexinator-hh5fe]

Shigaraki's story is so sad. He wanted his family to tell him that he could do it. That he could be a hero. Just like Deku wanted his mom to tell him. But they never did, they just accepted what his dad said and did. Just told him to endure the pain and suffering. Until it all burst out.

[@free2928]

When you think of Shigaraki’s origin all you can think about is how unfortunate he was

[@urekmazino7785]

Tatakae

[@mites7]

Tenko lost his mind at the age of 5 after years of abuse, and killing the 3 people he loved the most first (his dog, his mom, and his sister) He was broken after that, and all the hate he had for his dad blew up all at once at the end He needed attention and help, quirks manifest a desire to do something related to them (why toga desires blood, since her quirk activates through blood. Stain probably went through the same problem as a kid) His quirk is loudly urging him to to destroy things unlike Overhauls, which is similar but can put things back together. His quirk only destroys, that's the itch. He was resisting something that was originally against his nature. The itching comes back from stress/anger as an adult now like you said

[@mooncousin2913]

For all my issues with how they've handled this arc, the delivery of Shigaraki's backstory and his families final fate is not one of them. I felt sick reading THAT scene for the first time and felt sick watching it for the first time too. Well done Bones. Congratulations feel wrong for a scene so horrific but I don't know how else to put it.

[@khrisbatiste8822]

Every bit of motherhood came out of these two. And how much they just wanted to hug him.

[@LitchiBoba]

In Season 3, Gran Torino said that Nana specifically instructed them to never contact her son after she gave him up for adoption.

[@steffondoyle8071]

Which I believe was an even bigger mistake than just leaving him.

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

@@steffondoyle8071 it is very tragic and dark what happened with Nana and her family. In most stories, a hero sacrificing themself for the greater good is considered a good thing, but here Nana's action unintentionally led to her son and his family dying horrible deaths and creating a monster that would shake hero society to its core.

[@LordZeebee]

What makes it so intensely sad for me is that as opposed to a lot of other anime is that it's honestly not even that "unique" of a situation. Like, obviously yes the kid has a superpower but it's not something like Sanji from One Piece being stranded for like 50 days or whatever and starving while his mentor eats his own leg or Brook having to watch all his crewmates slowly die around him as he has a power that won't let him die the way they did. Tenko Shimura was just a kid with a shitty family, no weird anime-style setup, just a bad dad and a family that won't stand up to him. Much like literally billions of other kids around the globe. What makes it so sad is that apart from his ability to actually do something about his situation he's not special, that type of family isn't all that uncommon.

[@deadsetondreams1988]

Shigaraki is a direct mirror to Deku the only difference is Deku had a way better support system than Shigaraki did. Both wanted to be heroes and liked All Might, both developed quirks later than those around them. They easily could have reversed roles if they swapped families. It goes all the way back to when Deku was fighting Gentlecriminal and he said that he was his greatest adversary at the time because he reminded Deku of himself. Shigaraki does as well but without Deku knowing it. Shigaraki's dad was exactly like Kota, except he didn't have anyone like Deku to intervene and change his mind about heroes. And his entire family paid the price, truly tragic. I love how this show deals with parallels of all the characters, it's truly heartwrenching.

[@marty1523]

I'm so happy you guys acknowledged how present-day Shigaraki looking back on his family's death & how he was feeling as a child is just a way to justify how he is now. He definitely isn't a reliable narrator & his comment that he was already aware of what he was doing when he murdered his sister seems to be him trying to make sense of it/cope. It's interesting.

[@chick1000123]

His perception of his childhood is definitely skewed by AFO's training and manipulation when he was a little boy. Trying to make this kid accumulate an excess of hatred all for his own gain, to make a child believe that all he can do is destroy since his quirk is supposed to be a reflection of his personality. It's easier for Shigaraki to believe that he's a monster that wanted his family dead than to admit what happened to him, AFO used tenko's own trauma against him and made him believe that the murder of his family wasn't a tragedy, he believes AFO cares for him and wants what's best but that couldn't be more from the truth.

[@bolt2134]

One thing that the MHA anime loves to do is to censor a LOT of things like it doesn't reach Invincible levels of violence and gore obviously but it's definitly not a show that everyone can watch, so as a manga reader i was concerned on how much they were going to censor in this arc and they did cut and cencored a lot of things but they still show it so i'm glad.

[@ayselengin1798]

i doubt shigaraki saw hana as toga lol hana was mature and protective older sister, toga is more different, they have equal relationship too.

[@breakops5339]

The violence in s3 especially during all for one vs Best jeanist was the closest the show got to Invincible/boys level. I love mha for having an edge to it. I'm grateful to the show when Something like Dragonball super waa heavily censored to having literally no blood at all

[@bolt2134]

@@breakops5339 Yes i feel you.

[@kennedyhuff]

The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. The proverb suits Shiggy perfectly fine.

[@deadsetondreams1988]

I wonder if they had heard of Eileen Sendrey's proverb when they created this show, because that is spot on!

[@raec5426]

*FYI:* The dust part of the decay for the family is slight censorship in the anime, as it was just chunks with blood the whole time in the manga. lol

[@manhattanprojekt1275]

First time I see someone else point that out. Thought was the only one who caught that

[@raec5426]

@@manhattanprojekt1275 There have been some other comments to explain that to anime reactors. As some people were confused about it. lol

[@starzariaguy5151]

Redestro actually ripped off three of Shiggy’s fingers in the manga, so in Redestro’s mind, he was eliminating the possibility of Shiggy using his quirk.

[@Gtgreen3]

A good thing to understand about shigaraki's backstory it's that he's the narrator and that in itself is unreliable. He could have wanted to kill his whole family because he hated them; as well as that could just be him trying to come up with an excuse for himself to not be utterly traumatized.

[@Nightfurygaming247]

plus with the way his memory has been fucked and living under AFO for years has no doubt twisted it.

[@intothefrayyo]

I agree, not my favorite reaction of theirs, but I get where they're coming from I suppose.

[@kiatorrette5631]

Not really. Those are his real memories, the trauma of it all caused him to lock them away, which also limited the true power of his decay quirk. This whole arc is effectively him reawakening his true memories and power

[@Sheechiibii]

@@kiatorrette5631 The memories are real, but his narration is his interpretation of what he thinks might have been going on in his mind back then. He starts to say one thing, then says 'actually now I think it might have been like this instead' that's the parts that are unreliable, not the events themselves, but what he is thinking now about what his panicked mind might have been going through at the time. Shigaraki is trying to apply reason to it, but who knows how right he is, especially with his current perspective and AfOs 'teachings'.

[@thefluffyaj4119]

when he said "I don't need a future" god that hurt. he wants to destroy everything, including himself. he's not even after glory or power or anything like that. he doesn't wanna build a new society or do anything like that. he just wants everything to just cease to exist. he wants himself to cease to exist

[@TheMadhatter1313]

"All it takes is one bad day to drive the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I'm standing. Just one bad day." -Joker from The Killing Joke

[@NickEclipse]

This quote resonated with me throughout the whole ep

[@darencolby1916]

To be honest what happened with Shigaraki was not the result of one bad day

[@manhattanprojekt1275]

That’s more Twice. The manga chapter with his backstory right before he releases Sad Man’s Parade is literally called “All It Takes Is One Bad Day”

[@ayselengin1798]

@@darencolby1916 the meaning of one bad day is also several of bad days

[@ayselengin1798]

yes though joker is not good example of one bad day but shiaraki and twice are.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

The father was even more messed up because Nana left him to the system a few days after his own father died.

[@allykingston4429]

With the itching, it's a release of stress. I have this habit and I have scars from it. Confusing emotional pain is transferred into physical pain, something that is more understandable and easier to cope with. The family dynamic caused stress resulting in the scratching.

[@Limpass610]

I have that, but just using my index finger and scratching the side of thumb next to the nail. I always thought it was a weird habit that sometimes resulted in bleeding. But it hit me in highschool when i was sitting in front of the principle in her office and i saw her eyes glanced at my hand. That where i noticed i was digging into the wound and i wasnt even feeling it. I wasnt even freaking out in her office, heart pounding but calm, i guess the stress just ended up there idk

[@horrorhistory7342]

Yeah I scratch my arms, thighs, hands, neck, and face. I also bit my fingers and lips, to the point where my lips resemble shiggy’s a bit. I didn’t actually know it was a thing until I found shiggy and did research.

[@squaresphere]

Entrenched systems can only be change through generational shifts in attitude. Consistent education and humanization of the people being persecuted is needed to change normalized views and biased behavior. The fact of the matter is that humans don't readily want to change their patterns/systems IF they are comfortable/content at an individual level. Looking at my hero, to me, the real answer for systematic change isn't just another AllMight. Its the fact that the hero system has to promote tolerance, kindness and understanding AS MUCH as just stopping criminals and powered up fights.

[@starzariaguy5151]

Shiggy’s quirk turning people into dust is an anime only thing, in the manga it’s more like they crumble into bits of flesh and make a puddle of blood and meat.

[@raec5426]

18:58 - The MHA author loves Akira and Shigaraki has some references to Tetsuo.

[@PressEnter42]

Anyone else notice the difference? His mother sees her child in danger, she doesn't know what's happening but she knows he needs her so she rushes to him. His dad however sees his child in danger and his first reaction is to attack him

[@leftieceliz]

i really appreciate how your experience as moms bring important perspectives to your reactions that a lot of us may miss ❤️

[@kalebdickerson268]

I believe Shigiraki was born kinda crazy because of his quirk. Remeber Quirks are a part of your personality. Like Toga's quirk makes her crave/fetishize blood. His scratching was just a tick that kind of stopped himself from going nuts and killing people. His father's abusive behavior just added on to that.

[@mourdinethesaharabian4298]

He wall literally itching to kill his family

[@ayselengin1798]

@@mourdinethesaharabian4298 he was feeling itchy cause of the stress he felt in house.

[@mourdinethesaharabian4298]

@@ayselengin1798 yeah, and also because he wanted to murder his family

[@intothefrayyo]

Yeah, their reaction to this kinda threw me ..

[@Sheechiibii]

@@mourdinethesaharabian4298 He was an abused 5 year old feeling betrayed and thought he hated his family in that moment. All kids think such things sometimes, even if they're not abused. They don't know any better when they feel hurt and angry. He itches because of stress, the reason it fades when he kills his dad is because after seeing everything else crumble, to have his dad hurt him again he snaps and kills him and it's so cathartic because it was his dad and this house and this environment that caused him so much stress and now it's gone. Horrific or not, he no longer has to feel afraid or stressed by that source. Think about when and why we see him scratch himself elsewhere in the show. It's stress based, not wanting-to-murder based. It just so happens that he loves destroying things, because his quirk us destruction.

[@peytonalexander5300]

I always liked how Spinner is a villain without a cool quirk. Yeah, he's the weakest member of the League, but he's like their heart and soul, the one who believes in their mission the most. If Spinner had a strong quirk, he would probably be one of the most dangerous League members just due to his conviction.

[@markdavis7128]

yeh fax i feel like hes the soul but twice is the heart of the league

[@addollz6192]

they shafted him in the anime, there is a bunch of monologues that he has that shows more of his character in the manga.

[@Farzamo1]

You know there was a time people used to think shoto was the only one who suffered the most, but then there's villans.

[@magisystem]

Shiggy's quirk in the manga is way more gory and bloody than they portrayed in the anime. Im actually surprised they showed blood in this episode. I guess it's less gruesome to see a puddle of blood rather than seeing the blood splatter from the cracks of his family's skin.

[@CDexie]

Like someone else so succinctly said in a comment: They can't possibly show on live television a little girl being utterly eviscerated and her gory pieces falling down. The puddle on the ground *is* indeed less gruesome.

[@iknowyouseeme3233]

@@CDexie i dont get what you guts are talking about, i just went back and reread the manga and the show is definitely just as gory

[@oakeii]

@@iknowyouseeme3233 it's harder to tell in black and white, but those chunks in the manga aren't dust like how they're shown in the anime, they're chunks of flesh. the anime censors it by not adding all the blood bursting out of their bodies or all the little details of their flesh falling apart

[@zionalbina691]

I think it's important to remember that the cut off age to develop a Quirk is normally 4. Tenko was 5 when his manifested, and it came in as an unexpected mutation rather than an inherited power. So either he's the first person to naturally develop a Quirk a year late, or what I believe is more likely, he was given that Quirk without knowing. AFO did say in season 3 that he specifically took in Tenko and trained him to be a villain to ruin Nana's legacy, and hurt All Might's pride. But Tenko wouldn't have willingly become a villain without a traumatic experience like this, and AFO isn't the type to leave things to chance.

[@TheLightbane]

You two are such wonderful empathetic people, love your work.

[@giantWario]

One thing that not a whole lot of people seem to be talking about is the parallel between the Hands and Nana's letter. All For One knew that eventually Shiggy's heart would heal from his trauma but that it wouldn't if he kept a permanent reminder of his trauma around him, that's why he gave him those hands. It's the same thing with Shiggy's dad Kotaro, normally he should have healed from his mother abandoning him when he was a child but because she said she loved him in that letter, he couldn't bring himself to throw it away along with the photo so it became a permanent reminder of her abandonment.

[@degov5]

Just think that Eri went through something similar, and if Overhaul was more like AFO, or if they hadn't saved her, she could've ended up like Shigaraki.

[@jennybe4766]

yeah Eri's and Shiggy's stories are pretty similar but Eri fell into the hands of a hero and Shigaraki fell into the hands of All for One

[@Thesilentvoice...]

I really wonder...if Shigiraki had a healthy loving home/family would his quirk be a mutation? I feel like the added stress and anger made his quirk defect and change into a mutation. The itch he has, it's linked to the stress he had at home from his dad's abuse, and being denied to be a hero. Also, it's linked to his intent to kill, and his quirk manifested at his wit's end with the abuse. It's not like how it was with Eri. It's so sad. This just shows you should reach out to people who NEED help whoever it may be. If someone's hurting and you feel/see it do something to help them out, even if it's little it can change things drastically.

[@tangroro]

The reason Shigaraki's Quirk was more graphic in teh flashback is because the anime has always been censoring it, the only time it was faithful without censorship is in S1 when he used it on Aizawa's elbow

[@goodnoodle5224]

Was so hyped to see you guys react to this episode and you guys didn’t disappoint. I’m so glad this episodes animation was bumped up a bit to do this chapter justice. I loved the pure terror on his face after killing his sister and then the direct opposite face he makes when killing his father. The episode was definitely a breath of fresh air considering this season was very light and had a few too many fillers in my opinion.

[@JeM130177]

I had to sit for like 10 minutes after this episode to just calm down a bit 🤣 crikey...that last 5 minutes was just horrific

[@toodleloos]

This was me 😩🤣 it was mom disintegrating for me, that was hard

[@vincentriojas1336]

The whole mutation angle really makes this sad, nobody knew tenko was gonna have such a destructive quirk, like if midoriya suddenly had murder quirk while his mom was expecting the fire breath or telekinesis

[@mykeycuento5576]

I had a very hard time watching this episode. His hands getting broken was the first sign that this was going to be graphically and emotionally scarring. I was literally bawling after this. The manga chapter this was in was amazing and graphic too, but seeing it animated, hearing their voices, Nana Shimura's final wish for him...That hurt.

[@irudesan1650]

Imagine the last words you hear is your child yelling you "die!!!!" That's pretty sad

[@deimorenomusic9861]

Dimple watching in the background like "damn"

[@JeM130177]

I assume All Might didn't know who her son was if she even mentioned him at all. Gran Torino said she gave her son up to protect him. If he was adopted maybe she didn't even know where he was herself. I'd assumed he was given away a little baby but apparently not. All Might was i think 17/18 when Nana died. She probably never told All Might or Gran Torino if she knew where he was to keep that protection.

[@pepsi-4275]

Nana actually told them both to never get involved in his life

[@JeM130177]

@@pepsi-4275 ahh yeah i forgot exactly what Gran Torino said when he explained it after the AFO fight

[@brandontucker6958]

In the manga the family didn't decay they just fell apart, thats why there was still pieces of them and blood after.

[@Jjop017]

It is sad to think Kota could have grown up like Koatro too, since his parents dying being heroes soured him on the idea.

[@Kladyos]

He had Mandalay at least. An aunt isn't a complete replacement for parents, but at least he wasn't completely resentful of heroes with her caring for him.

[@dbhe8366]

“Pls be gentle with us”. 😂 I’m imagining the thirst is coming. And I’m all for that

[@abi_corinne]

😍 “omg Mikey and Draken are so h-“ *Checks age* 💀

[@dbhe8366]

@@abi_corinne lol. It’s ok. They’re adults in 2017. Just Takemitchi :)

[@_-_sinexus_-_]

Beat drop fit perfectly with hana crumbeling away 🤌👌

[@paper2946]

The itch is his desire to kill/ destroy. Watch scenes where he has an itching fit and you'll usually find him getting frustrated and wanting to kill.

[@giobaldonado1991]

Great reaction girls!!! This episode was perfect! The storytelling, animation, combined with the music! So good!!!

[@Kathy3145]

You guys have the best reaction to this ep. I read the manga but I still cried so much when I watched this episode. The thought of tiny Tenko being just 5 years old when all of this happened is so hard to stomach. It always makes me sad to think that if his quirk wasn't something so lethal, if it wasn't something that influenced his desire or need to destroy, would he have had a chance? I mean we saw that his mother finally stood up about this to his father, his father finally realising that he went too far and his sister tried to apologise. Here's the thing though, we as the ones watching know this, but does Shigaraki actually know? He probably still thinks that his family was never going to reach out to him, which could be why he still held on to that hate. All he wanted was someone to support him and his family was finally going to...it really hurts to know that baby Tenko could have had a chance.

[@GrishataG]

I cried like HELL this episode. l swear.

[@billydiaz1525]

They went hard but the manga was more brutal but it was really intense and well done in the anime 🔥😶

[@ashantiuzumaki8852]

All might didnt know his master had a child until he found out that tenko was her grandchild so he couldn't check up on him

[@urekmazino7785]

Yea in the anime it was censored to look like dust but it looks similar to when tenko touched eraser head’s elbow in season 1, its supposed to look like that. Just imagine when the things he touches starts decaying, there is still color while its breaking down. And its more bloodier

[@ValentinaBluedog]

24:36 Maybe that time when All for one revealed that Nana Shimura had a grandchild, which was Tenko Shimura? Yeah, he had no idea this family existed, because of all for one interrupting his training and killing his master- he kinda went to places and wasn’t really explained from there.

[@OzanBozz62]

I had the feeling that his dad still wanted to save him, when he said "Stop Tenko!". I wonder what quirk the father has.

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

Yeah, unfortunately he just went about it in a pretty terrible way, enraging Shigaraki to the point that he finally gave in to his desire for destruction.

[@Limpass610]

A hit to release someone from stress doesnt work on everybody. The dad didnt realised he was abusing and creating history of resentment from his child. He done goofed

[@SWAGTVmusic]

I know this hit you hard bc you guys are parents and hate to see an unfortunate situation like this. It wasn't some grandios thing to where his whole family/town was killed by someone else. It was a complete accident coupled with the side effect of his quirk. His dad is trippin for locking him outside like that but his situation wasn't terrible. He was a genuine child and lashed out like any child would. Same with his sister, to avoid trouble she blamed him, which another very child like thing to do. Great video BTW

[@jasminedreaming]

there are such incredible & mournful parallels between episode 1/2 (Izuku Midoriya: Origin) of MHA & this episode (Tenko Shimura: Origin). down to the language that older versions of both characters use in reflection on their origins: "No, that's not it." "The words i wanted you to say were..."/"The word i wanted you to say was..." IT"S SO SAD. but! remember when Deku rushed in to save Kacchan, even though all of those bystanders & heroes stood by idly, he said it was because "you looked like you were asking for help". that's why Deku will be the one to save Tenko! he'll be the only one to recognize the small child in him asking for help. this is, after all, the story of how he became the greatest hero! i don't think that can be true without him saving Tenko.

[@Royal_Chief_Architect]

Plenty of who shimura was felt immensely grievous, but that while inheriting his quirk, I think he just went insane. I feel DEEPLY empathetic for Tenko.

[@Drk-wv7rs]

I’m glad they said it’s like akira since horikoshi referenced akira a lot in the manga

[@dom4012]

Shigaraki's quirk was always supposed to turn people into dead flesh/blood chunks. They just had to censor it a bit in the anime to make it look like dust/ash

[@elijahbaker781]

Man Shigarakis face in the end is just pure bloodlust and insanity.

[@CharTurner6928]

*Remember All-Might didn't know Nana had a child (Shigaraki's father is Nana's son)* Now you know why they had all those feel-good, funny, episodes at the beginning of the season because things are dark-dark and I'm not sure if/when we'll ever have good times again. Kotaro (Nana's son) resented Nana leaving him to be a hero so he hated Heros and took it out on his family. I guess the Mom and her parents were hesitant to speak up because Kotaro paid the bills and was the family provider. I think the itching is from his emotions, his suppressed rage, and the stress, of his family life. He said the itching only happens at home. Tenko desperately needed help. Tenko/Shigaraki may have been rehabilitated emotionally but Sadly, All-For-One got his hooks in him. The suffering Child-Shigaraki went through, the stress, the physical abuse, the confusion, is what hurt so much. You're right Abi, it caused that child to lose his mind. That kid was let down on so many levels, his father's abuse and the other adults in his family who, didn't speak out against the father's behavior nor did they come to the aid of the children.

[@Royal_Chief_Architect]

Note also, stress is what set his quirk off, and Stress and Burden are the villain he just defeated. That tell you between the lines what it was Stress was his trigger as a child and the burden of the loss of his family’s what All for One used to manipulate and twist the child. Psychology is a B..

[@9530devil]

Shigaraki was overwhelmed by his power, combined with his family situation

[@pwners4u]

The itch isn’t his quirk but his stress causing him for self harm basically. When his ‘itch’ is gone it’s because he’s killed or removed himself from the stressful situation. In season 1 for example he started itching when the heroes arrived unplanned. Also all might would have been younger and tomura’s father as tomura is like 20 years younger than all might

[@rightmunted7538]

Nah the itch is tied to his quirk, when he gets the desire to destroy something he itches until he does. Remember this arc and been talking about how quirks effect personality

[@pwners4u]

@@rightmunted7538 but he itched before his quirk which was why he was on medication

[@raec5426]

@@pwners4u Some people have thought it was also related the quirk starting up. Actually it's really not fully clear either way which is why people interpret it differently, but seems it's related to anxiety though at least. lol

[@reigen.]

omg Dimple in the background is throwing me off i love it lol

[@BlackFighterz]

The heroes sacrifice is a running theme. See All Might and Nighteye, Endeavor and his family etc. Even Deku and his mom. Its less about the dad and more about the suffering of those who are close to heroes.

[@f3rg163]

Shigaraki’s hair changing colour is kind of like showing that the old Tenko died along with his family in that scene.

[@leeleelee7878]

Also stress

[@mostannoyingscaramain]

"In order to save strangers that they don't even know, Hero's hurt their families! *_He says as he continues to hurt his family_*

[@123newjersey3]

What an amazing ending, and also great reaction, I always love your post-discussions, especially after heavy moments like this.

[@bookofsol]

Nana hid the fact she had any type of family because AFO would use that against her. All Might recently found out so he didn't know.

[@giantWario]

The thing is, AFO quite obviously kept tabs on her family all that time, there is no other way he could have rescued Shiggy right after it happened unless he already knew perfectly well where Kotaro lived. It's just really silly to think that a man with the resources he had back then couldn't find her kid in the system if he wanted to. While Nana had a fairly normal reaction since her husband had just been killed, the fact is that she then had no problem bringing another kid (All Might) into this dangerous world of heroes simply because that's what he wanted and Kotaro quite obviously wanted to stay with her.

[@killuazoldycke]

They said they didn't want him to be a hero that's why they didn't monitor his quirk, this is just to show you how things are not how they first seem to be

[@FiragaJJC]

In the manga.. Re Destro plucked off two of Shigaraki's fingers.

[@aristothethrone9032]

during allmights last fight with all for one. he was told that shigaraki was nana's grandson. that's why Grand Torino was saying that Shigaraki wasn't someone he could handle because he was emotionally compromised.

[@ozymandias3962]

I was waiting so long for this react, I don't watch the anime but it's one of my favorite chapters, instant like !

[@hazydaze9921]

After we learn Shigaraki is Nana's grandson, it's revealed that Nana had told All Might and Gran Torino NOT to try to contact or be involved with her son in any way, even if something happened to her. That's why All Might didn't do it, he was trying to respect her dying wish... for better or for worse.

[@MrWordcraft]

As soon as I saw Imon's smirk at 4:52 I knew she was gonna say something. xD

[@BtFML1]

i'm not completely sure, but i think the implication is that part at the end is the first time the dad actually hits him after he goes into the office, the other stuff was definitely abuse, but i think that last time where he actually hit him was where the family finally decided to draw the line

[@Peteyinchains]

I love how her hair and her shirt are the same exact color

[@HypeLozerInc]

You guy's really know the series. Gonna love s6

[@tristanmilner9511]

6:30 fun fact: in the Manga, Re-Destro tore off two of Shigiraki's fingers.

[@wafe107]

That dog was more loyal and caring to that poor kid than his whole family

[@heathergore4577]

Girl I teared up watching that scene, too

[@강민우-m4g]

this reaction is rightThis video reaction is the most accurate human reaction than other people's images. This episode is so sad and dark. I don't understand laughing other KZbinrs, but these two understood this episode most emotionally. And Tenko will have salvation by Midoriya.

[@dre27321]

The itch that he keeps feeling is his urge to destroy, his quirk makes him want to destroy things, it’s not just because of all for one but I’m assuming all for one made it worse

[@theeLonelyRedPanda]

yeah given the choice he coulda destroyed anything leaves, trees, grass, bugs, buildings, toys AFO just went destroy the things you don't like and that was a wrap.