My Honest Opinion of MVMT, Vincero, Daniel Wellington, Original Grain, Etc.

[@feralfeline6137]

All the KZbin sellouts use the fashion watch sponsorship money to buy a Rolex. This is such a dirty business.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Sjaak De Vries Preach!!!!

[@YTsuuuucks]

Yep. I’ve seen a couple men’s fashion youtubers pushing 5th watches. Then you see another vid hidden deep in the channel with them showing off their new Rolex.

[@ericplut8930]

Sjaak De Vries i wouldn’t really agree because, these youtubers all day “sponsored” or “ad” so it’s a blatant and mandatory disclaimer that says I am being paid to say this. If you chose to believe it’s always 100% genuine and the truth that’s more on you

[@alcappacino]

@@Ferien7 Lol, are you for real? Daniel wellington is a cheapass watch that isn't worth the price.

[@guzz114]

I honestly don't think most of them know.

[@sarsiemanuel9229]

Reliable brands such as Seiko, Citizen, Orient & Tissot could easily blow away these brands with a little tweaking in their styling. The Tissot Everytime is superior in every way to DW and MVMT from the Swiss ETA quartz movement to the sapphire crystal. Every dollar you spend on it is justified and you wouldn’t be embarrassed to wear it because it is a brand with true heritage.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

You are so right Julie Anne. It wouldn’t take much for these mainstream brands to swoop up this part of the market. Idk what they are doing!

[@sarsiemanuel9229]

Teddy Baldassarre - Tissot has the biggest potential since it is the most prestigious and I believe people really fancy “Swiss”. The Everytime is the same price if not cheaper than DW or MVMT. The uninformed masses of newbie watch lovers don’t know what they’re missing. Affordable quartz watches certainly fill an important need but gosh, I really wish people wouldn’t be gypped by these garbage brands. $200 for a cheap $10 quartz movement? 😫 Tissot should hire you as their style consultant and influencer. I’m very confident they will experience a surge in sales and I will certainly buy your designs 😁

[@diegoog3654]

I agree with everything you said, but I suspect the movement (and probably the whole watch) doesn't even cost them $10. Unless maybe you include shipping, logistics, marketing, advertising, commissions paid to "influencers", etc... I heard somewhere that the watches (unbranded) are available on Ali Baba for pennies on the dollar. I am NOT recommending people buy these, but if you are, pay what it's worth.

[@mvteyv6993]

The problem is that the way that DW and MVMT get so big is by advertising. Almost everyone knows those brands and they become trendy to wear. At my school, I haven't seen a single person not wear a fashion brand. Tissot would have to spend so much extra money on advertising and because MVMT watches look 'cool' it wouldn't go that far. I mean you can say it has an ETA and sapphire but no one will know what you mean.

[@mvteyv6993]

Tissot for many is either considered an expensive brand or not known of. DW and MVMT sell to teenagers and young adults and kids currently wear a watch to be trendy. One student in my school was wearing a DW and didn't even know how to read analog and the more people I ask the more I find fewer people can actually read analog. So to them it doesn't matter the quality, they can't even use it to tell time, it is purely for looks.

First and most important rule to buy a watch: YOU need to like it. Does not matter other people's opinion so if you prefer a Vincero over a Citizen or a Seiko, be proud of your choice, it's what matters. Brand prestige and heritage are great but the items that make you happy are more important. And fashion brands are a great starting point. My first watch was a Hugo Boss quartz Chronograph that my wife gave me over two years ago, now I have 12 watches. And I started with a overpriced fashion watch that I wore with pride and this is the only thing it matters.

[@GroovyCachinDude]

Miguel Távora I made the same mistake 30 years ago buying an Adolfo fashion watch. Looked pretty, even kept good time (quartz), but when the battery died and I popped the back off and realized how cheaply it was made, I never replaced the battery and stuck it in the drawer. Learned my lesson and never went down that path again.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Miguel Távora great example Miguel and I completely agree with you. That gift from your wife means way more than any price tag could tell you.

[@alexshimkus535]

What kick started my hobby was also a fashion brand, it all started with a Diesel.

[@davidlara105]

Well said sir!

[@zzyzxzee6374]

Miguel Távora hugo boss a great designer no doubt...he designed the black ss uniform for the nazis. Just because you re a murderous thug doesnt mean you cant look good!

[@AchmedComedy_]

Probably THE most honest viewpoint on this issue so far!!

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Ahmed Korayem thank you Ahmed!

[@muskyoxes]

Balanced and honest aren't the same. Someone who despises these watches could do it with full sincerity.

[@TheTimLara]

Totally agree. Most of the mainstream "real" watch brands are just embarrassingly bad at marketing, particularly digital marketing. There is such a huge wasted opportunity for the longstanding watch brands to actually interact with the watch community and give the people what they want, but most of them don't seem to care, or are so clueless and outdated that they don't even know they're losing sales.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

You’re so right. These brands would not have the same prominence if they actually tried to reach the consumers where they are like the fashion brands...

[@predragjo5977]

I doubt that real watch brands like Rolex, AP, Seiko, Patek, etc are losing any real profit because of the "fashion brands", let's face it, Patek probably gets much much more over the course of a year than let's say DW. One single Patek or Grand Seiko costs like 70+ DWs. One single AP royal Oak is about 16.000€ so DW has to sell 80 pieces of 200€ for the price of one AP and believe me, AP sells more than just one single Oak/year. But, do real brands lose profit on their entry level pieces like Seiko 5s, Orient Bambinos, Seiko SKX, entry level Hamiltons, etc? Hell yeah. They simply have to advertise their "afordable" lines that are much better than ANY "fashion" crap. Hell yea, a single Seiko 5 that costs about 100€ can easily last you a lifetime and you can get 2 for the price of a single DW that will barely last you a few years but Seiko simply doesnt advertise their Seiko 5 line for whatever reason. Shame.

[@embxssyy9936]

@@TeddyBaldassarre Good brands don't need to make ads for example, Ferrari.

[@StrangersIteDomum]

"digital marketing" aka clickbait aka lies.

[@videocapturing]

The prestige of exclusivity also benefits these "real" watches. Let's be real, we love to see other people having the same things we have from time to time but we don't want to see everyone having the same things we have too. There's a difference between everyone has it and some have it.

[@mikeshouse2000]

I started with MVMT.. after I learned more I switched to Timex, Citizen and orient.. They don't break the bank but just as stylish cheaper and with some history behind the brand

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

mikeshouse2000 I think there will be more that follow that path as time goes on!

[@happysamoan97]

I started with watch gang, and now I have a timex and a seiko.

[@nathanstickels902]

@@happysamoan97 watch gang is a scam

[@kidamnesiak1]

​@@nathanstickels902They did say "started with"...

[@paulwilliamson3798]

Same. Between my MVMT and Skagen, it’s opened me to learning more and using an iWatch to workout but not as a daily piece.

[@DCPorter71]

Teddy, I'm twice your age and you have sparked a renewed interest in watches for me. Enjoying your videos very much. Keep them coming.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

DCPorter71 wow DC, I am honored to hear that. Thank you so much for watching the content!

[@lamusica3361]

OMG

[@northernselfreliance6943]

I love watches. I own expensive Citizen and Seiko watches. I will be buying my first Rolex soon and I am excited about that!! I also own 2 Vincero watches. The vincero watches are not my go to watches but I do wear them sometimes. I think they are decent entry level watches and look nice. I originally bought vincero because I kind of fell in love with their story. I really like the look of the of their watches as well as the sayings on the back. " Veni Vidi Vici " and of course " Live Your Legacy " the Marble built into the watch is a cool factor uniqueness. They are not the best quality watches but I think they will be around for a long time. I have had ZERO problems with my Vincero watches and will not sell them any time soon. People hating on them need to realize these are not your $5,000+ Omega or $10,000+ Rolex watches. Vincero watches are affordable $150+ watches that in my opinion give that expensive look. Not that my opinion matters to the people of the internet but I give my endorsement for vincero. -Cheers

[@guganesan.ilavarasan]

Thanks Sir, what do you think will be an good alternative to the reliable Vincero at the same budget point ?

[@jason6344]

@Gugan Esan try a timex fairfield you can get a ton of straps for customization and won’t get laughed at by watch guys

[@darklordfilms129]

I was thinking about getting a new watch because I lost my first one a while back. I saw an ad for Vincero and since I wanted a new watch, I decided to check it out. I saw a ton of really neat designs and thought that these must be really nice watches. So I decided to go with Vincero. I was curious about what other people thought of them so I went on here and searched for reviews. I was so suprised that every video I watched seemed to bash Vincero. I was unsure, but you seemed to have an ok experience with them so I'll take your word for it.

[@bigblob27]

About a year ago I nearly bought a MVMT watch but quickly changed my mind after stumbling upon a video about the Seiko 5 line of watches (luckily). I think the best thing these fashion watch companies do is introduce young people (like me) to the vast world of watches.

[@badgermike1231]

I was gifted an Original Grain for my last birthday and I couldn't be happier with it.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Hey everyone, I left links to list videos that offer great alternatives to these watches if you are interested! Also, please leave comments. I would love to hear your thoughts!

[@jackevans9615]

Teddy Baldassarre So who won the last give away?

[@nicolafoudre]

1:22 this DW is the best design from them i've ever seen. I like clean dress watches and own a few of them, especially Frédérique Constant but in all honesty, this one is kinda nice. I'm sure the movement is dirt cheap and the finishing sucks but at least they tried to do better than the classic DW. The heat blued hand imitation is interesting, the date windows at 6 is nice for the symmetry, the case looks better than the Sheffield's, the crown is also a lot better than the nipple they used for the Sheffield. I don't really like gold imitation cases and I like the cases more round and for this elegant watch, this case might be too "harsh" if you see what I mean. The hand a quite well proportionned. The dial is maybe not enough as there is no texture, the color is more like paper and A railway minute track could be appreciated. The logo is horrible and they should just keep the Daniel Wellington name. Stick an NH35 and for 240 bucks you got a good value watch.

[@mvteyv6993]

I'd just like to point out, that instead of getting a DW like 90% of kids in my grade I got an Orient Bambino Open Heart. it was mostly due to your videos and TGV that I found out about these brands, so thank you.

[@real_fjcalabrese]

My issue with the aforementioned watches is they are presented as something they are not. This is a matter of integrity, and I feel that it's a bit of a swindle. With that being said. As long as no one is harmed, buy what makes you happy. Some guys are into Invicta. I personally love my Tissot Visodate as my suit watch.

[@gcbryan89]

Replying a year late, but i agree with you. Of course it has a market, thats why its doing well. But look at the way they market the watch, calling it high end japanese movement, reinforced mineral glass, beautiful leather...when the stuff they use are inferior in quality. I really like the way DW watches look, or movement, but i feel like an idiot if i were to pay that much money for either of those watches.

[@real_fjcalabrese]

@@gcbryan89 I have a Croton watch I bought at a Tuesday Morning in 2012 for $20 USD. For $20 it's a good watch. Anything more than $30 would have been too much. DW and similar brands are marketers.

[@guzz114]

Vincero got me interested in the first place but I did research and desided on a Seiko.

[@protoman2260]

Me too. I thought they looked nice and had no clue and honestly didn’t care about watches at the time.

[@Ben-yw8be]

My “gateway drug” to collecting watches was Daniel Wellington. Many of these watch brands found a kink in the armor of traditional watch brands and capitalized on it. Quite risky move, but it paid off. I still have my Daniel Wellington beside my Tudor and Rolex watches. 😜

[@Rfpepe7295]

I have one Vincero and I love it. It was about $150 runs perfectly and I think it is gorgeous.. What more do you need? I also own many Seikos, Citizens, G Shocks etc... and one $7000 Breitling ...They all have a place in my collection

[@RmnGnzlz]

Robert Pepe You know you can find it for less than 10 bucks on alibaba without the logo right?

[@MugenFan04]

Why have vincero garbage when you can go orient , Seiko , or citizen ? I will never own vincero, mvmt, garbage .

[@minatormyth]

@@MugenFan04 because it's called choice🤗 The man made one👍

[@markkim5988]

MugenFan04 the watch community is so fucking toxic. Let the man enjoy his fucking watch Jesus Christ

[@shle20]

@@RmnGnzlz You actually can't

[@danielcalvocamacho4538]

I think these brands put an important topic on the table: The minimalist/fashion/urban/design oriented or similar styles that sometimes are not found on more stablished or positioned traditionl brands. In my case, I struggle a lot trying to find a good balance between these type of styles, materials and reliable movement. Saying this, I think what some micro companies are doing, e.g.Marloe Watches or Rosling is quite interesting on trying to taget that balance I am refering to.

[@erizzle67]

My first watch was in the 70s as a kid - a mechanical Timex Mickey Mouse watch. I only stopped wearing it once I grew out of the strap. My first watch I purchased myself was a cheap quartz Relic around 1995. Funny thing about that watch is it still looks pretty neat and still works perfectly fine. It was probably $40 if I recall correctly.

[@yhong9733]

These fashion watches just pops up everywhere in the social media waves. I remember the day I was searching for a watch to buy. None of the traditional brands appeared. It was DW, MVMT, Vincero etc. It is almost tempting. The traditional brand has failed to market their watches in the new era. However, I went and bought a Seiko instead, because I felt it fit into my needs and purpose. But how many people wear a watch for a purpose besides fashion statement.

[@Caucasiancookingadventures]

You are totally wrong with what you said.

[@thegadgetzone]

These watches are on aliexpress for $5 without the logo - they slap their logo on them and charge you $190 this is madness.

[@TheDwayne3534]

Show me any Vincero looking watch on Ali Express. I dare you. In fact I bet you a Hamilton pilot day date that you cant

[@spaceman-pe5je]

@@TheDwayne3534 Vincero is the exception to the rule. Still, you can find very similar ones for cheap prices as far as materials/designs/features, they just went as far as giving the Chinese factories their own design

[@adamgiordano30]

Dwayne Williams They are available on alibaba. I’ll take that Hamilton 😅

[@wolfnoggin2165]

@@TheDwayne3534 i will look a video where they did a comparison with Chinese watch and Daniel Wellington

[@TheDwayne3534]

@@adamgiordano30 show me a link bro

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

The first watch I bought was a MN (Mark Naimer). I saw it a lot on Instagram and knew nothing about watches. I wanted to wear it to a wedding, unfortunately, soon after it arrived, one of the hour indices fell off. I complained, sent it back in, they shipped it back with the hour stick visibly glued back on. I stuck it in a drawer and forgot all about watches for two years. Eventually, I found an old little Seiko in the house I currently live in, left behind by the previous tenants. At first I thought that it was "dead" because it had no strap, and it was not ticking. One day I decided to take another look at it and (to my astonishment) it started running when I shook it around. Seems obvious now, but at the time I had no idea what an automatic was. That little Seiko is what got me started on my horological journey. My old fashion watch, last winter I decided to wear it to work as a joke and it quickly fell apart. The "PU leather" peeled off the strap, the gold plating rusted off, and within a week, it died. Too much water must have seeped into the 10 meter water resistant case.

[@Texmotodad]

Agreed! If Tissot would just STEP IT UP with their online marketing they would have zillions more sales! Most people, even 20 & 30 yr olds, have at least "heard" about Swiss watches but immediately not consider them because they think the price will be in the $1000's. I still think Swiss has cache with people. The

[@MrBacchus18]

Yes this. Not only Tissot but Hamilton, Certina, Fredrique Constant etc

[@juwapa6916]

I bought myself the Rosewood Black Classic from Original Grain about two years ago as a birthday present to myself. I still smile every time I put it on. After two years, it has a few dings and very minor scratches in the wood and band but it's still beautiful as ever, especially after giving the glass a good clean. The shine on it is insane. I love this watch and would definitely buy others from Original Grain.

[@ashhanson6967]

I really appreciate your review. I am the exact customer base for these “fashion watches” I’m sick of people telling others they can get a better watch for the price. It’s true but the better quality watches aren’t nearly as good looking as some of these new brands. I’m shocked that classic watch companies aren’t coming out with better designs for this new market.

[@THEREALBeane20]

You’re right; i really want to own a Vincero cause I just can’t find a quality brand watch that looks the way I want it to

[@JoeDP25]

I own an original grain. I got it as someone at the time with a casual interest in watches as objects with combined form and function and wanted something aesthetically different. It appeals to my taste and fits my style, I’ve seen nothing like it even amongst other ‘wood watch’ brands, I’ve owned it for about 3 years with no quality/construction issues and the quartz movement, while not nearly as exciting as as a manual or automatic, is perfectly good and reliable. I also love mechanical watches and own a couple, but I wear my original grain just as often because some days that’s just what I feel like. You can have passion without snobbery, and I think that’s the same thing Teddy’s getting at.

[@ianpaone2008]

I am the same. I own 4 OG watches and the Whiskey Chrono is in my top 3 of my collection. They are definitely in the category of fashion watches I have been able to work them into more formal outfits well.

[@kennethyoder8822]

I’ve wondered about getting an original grain partly because I’m getting into watches, but mostly because I play a Taylor guitar and I think it would be the coolest thing ever to have a matching watch. Glad to hear the quartz version at least has been reliable.

[@InfectedoOG]

My first watch was a Vincero, ans and that really got me into Timex, Seiko etc. Before I thought that if you wanted a good quality watch, you'd buy a Rolex or an Omega, but they are at least $2000-3000. So the fashion watch kind of opened my eye on all these watches. And to this day, I still enjoy the look of my Vincero watch. Although I do agree, when those brands are made more than ehat they are (which means they're essentially lying) it could be really annoying and feel like you're getting screwed over instead of enjoying the watch for the reasons you would enjoy buying any type of watch

[@jordanjoestar8839]

Personal favorite is Orginal Grain. Real wood. Whiskey barrels, Hawaiian driftwood etc. Each one bought plants a tree. Genuine leather. Stainless steel. Mine has no second hand, but it sweeps so accurately it is bang on point at all times. I timed it 1 month ago. It's off by 17 or so seconds. It gets endless compliments and was boxed better than some heritage brands, with a beautiful brochure on their goal to suit. They are actually proud, and it shows. They would cost more if they weren't a new company. Take advantage and plant some damn trees while you're at it.

[@shaifarber4243]

At last a watch lover with some common sense!

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Haha thanks man!

[@edsherman3855]

Shai Farber n;6

[@malbug]

I started off with a Skagen watch. I guess you could call it a gateway drug. I liked the European minimalist design of the watch. They have, dare I say, a Nomos look to them. I bought 2 more before doing my research. Now I have several Seikos that make up most of my collection. I ended up selling 2 of the Skagens for just a fraction of what I paid so I learned my lesson the hard way. I still like the looks of several of the Skagen watches and if Seiko or Citizen offered something similar in terms of style I’d gobble those up too. I just can’t afford a Nomos though. Come on Japanese watch makers!

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

I do think that these large watch manufacturers have underserved the amount the stylish pieces under 200 to combat these brands. Not as many options as I would like

[@gwimmer98]

I bought a MVMT a year ago, and it started my appreciation for watches, because I realized that I enjoy wearing them. Since my watch collection (of “real” watches) is not very big and I don’t own a dress watch yet, I still proudly wear my MVMT because it looks dressy. Would I buy I again? No. But now that I have it, i use it...

gwimmer98 there are plenty of stylish bulovas and citizen's for the price range.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Fair enough!!

[@jeremyhall9850]

Really appreciate your honest and reflective perspectives. I'm someone that owns a number of eco drives and really have liked them over the years. Also have a bulova 96g10 that I love and my wife has the matching. My wife just purchased the vincero altitude for me as a surprise. Really like the styling and its something more on the sport/casual side that I haven't had before. It's got enough quality to it to not feel too cheap and she picked it up for like 80ish bucks. So, I'm going to see how it goes. Overall, I would rather have a quality piece that keeps really excellent time and will last a long while. Some of the watches I have are nearing or just about at the 20 year mark. I have never really been into the "flash in the pan" fashion type watches. I honestly think some of the higher quality brands like Citizen, Seiko, and Bulova could potentially snag a bigger market share if they worked harder on fresh and trendy design but what would be the compromise to that? Maybe quality would suffer as they wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand and then they would become what they possibly don't want to become.

[@collinmiller3351]

Very well said Teddy, as a young watch consumer I am bombarded with ads on these watches all the time. And I totally agree with you that it is the major brands fault for not pushing their products or making new clean minimal designs that appeal to my generation.

[@swing2gether]

I jus bought a Vincero. Very nice watch. Stylish design, comfortable and it tells time jus as well as an $80k Rolex.

[@NB-sq7ui]

Yep...Lovely arnt they..Had mine for 2 years..nothing wrong with it still and I've not stopped wearing mine..

[@yourhuckleberry3505]

I was glad to hear you’ve actually worn these watches. But here’s generally my problem with MVMT and similar brand hate 5 reasons why I hate the “5 reasons I hate MVMT watches videos” 1) Everyone says they have cheap generic movements (which they probably do) but no one ever cracks one open to look 2) Everyone says you can get the same one for $1 from China but never actually has either one to compare the two 3) A Seiko 5 is usually suggested as an alternative without any mention that it will be 20-30 seconds off per day whereas even a cheap generic quartz movement will keep better time 4) Marketing is always brought up, and it’s true, paid reviews are never good, but how about some of the watch geeks buy a MVMT watch and give it an honest review? (And perhaps you have, I haven’t looked through your entire playlist but as a whole the reviews on these seem to be lacking) 5) They aren’t marketing towards you. Just like Rolex isn’t marketing towards me. They know their target audience and hit it hard. But this too always seems to be left out. Now I don’t own a MVMT watch, so I have no horse in the race, but it seems the bashing of MVMT could be better substantiated by having the product in hand and worn it some.

[@ibrahimgema6119]

Also i'd like to add, about the design on the dial which is matters most than movement, horology or anything else. As the name implies, fashion watches are dedicated more to fashion. So no matter how seiko 5 is better, the look and the style of the fashion watches matter more than seiko. At least speaking from experience.

[@lucioledizerot196]

While I agree that these watches have a place and that most people don't care about watches but just want a good design, this still doesn't make their prices okay to me. A DW is probably worth 3 to 4 dollars, yet the MSRP is more than $100. I don't care if people aren't watch geeks, but everyone should know whether they are getting ripped off or not.

[@jameeyg87]

Luciole Dizerot aren't most watches a rip off though? Sure you may be getting ripped off 100 by a dw but you'll be getting ripped off by 1000 on a Rolex or another watch.

[@lucioledizerot196]

JamesG true, but you will still be getting a great watch from a company that's not lying to you. Obviously there's a price premium for every luxury item, but that's what DW isn't: luxury. Also crazy prices on Rolex are often determined by other things than Rolex themselves (if we're talking pre-owned), but DW is just setting their prices at $100 while knowing that they produced the watch for $2 and that you could get the same watch except unbranded on Alibaba for 10 bucks.

[@jameeyg87]

What is a watch's value?

[@abritishguy8351]

@@wayfarer_1 just because you don't think they have a place in your own community doesn't mean they don't have a place in the world... Heritage doesn't change what is actually Infront of you, price and appearances do... To someone outside of your exclusive community, the shiny façade seems more real than the excuse of heritage for out of date designs and the price seems objectively more attainable than that of a Rolex

[@perrywhitledge4005]

@@wayfarer_1 Just out of curiosity what watches do you have and what makes them better than the ones mentioned? If you would educated me some please.

[@aizuddinfahmi9255]

My first ever watch is a Fossil Grant Chronograph FS5061 which I bought around three years ago. At the time, I didn't know much about watches to be honest. I just thought it looked nice on the wrist. But because of that watch, I'm now more intrigued in learning about other well established watches. My second watch afterwards is a Timex T2N946 that I bought two years ago and last year I bought my first ever automatic which is the Orient Bambino AC08002F. Yes, fashion watches are not the best in quality but it is a jumping platform to most noobs like me to get into horology.

[@Andrade_USA]

Certainly agree and respect your statement @ 3:57 , when I first started getting into watches Fossil always appealed to me as I was able to afford them and they looked great. I then bought other designer watches but like you, I sold them and gained respect for the craft. I do still own my first fossil though, 10 plus years & it never gave an issue, can’t say it’s a bad watch for anyone trying to buy a stylish affordable piece.

[@MrShinobi797]

I respect you more now, Ted. Glad you reconsidered your initial opinion, on these Fashion Watch Brands. Like you, I started my Watch Collection with these Watches. But as got more into the Horological aspect of the hobby, I weaned myself off of them. I still have a Vincero in my collection & I intend to keep it ( it LOOKS good & it WORKS very well ). Would I have bought it, the second time around, knowing what I know now as a more seasoned Watch Collector?? probably NOT. But it doesn’t mean that they don’t have their place, in the grand scheme of things. Besides, they DO give the Big Brands a run for their money, where Marketing & Promotions are concerned, hence their popularity. The True Watch Brands need to step up their game.

[@thomasgavris855]

I actually appreciate their existence. Yeah, they are not well made, BUT i think these watches are actually better options for normal people compared to automatics. My brother recently bought a seiko snkl and although he likes the looks he gets annoyed when he needs to constantly adjust the time. Also the fashion forward design is great because people can enjoy it and feel stylish. Imo the most important think is to enjoy the piece you have and be comfortable with its price, as long as that's the case idc which watch you choose

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Really well put, Thomas. I agree with you and I think you bring up a good point. My brother is the same way about the bambino I have him buy he has grown to love it!

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

Thomas Gavris for me most fashion watch brands design language looks very unmature, inauthentic, and too hipster.............for example mvmt has a useless chronograph that doesn't fucntion while having mint green hands with matte black dial. Wtf??lol

[@thomasgavris855]

Miguel Garcia yeah i can relate to what you're saying. My point is that since some people enjoy those oversiplyfied designs i can't hate them cause they do serve a purpose

[@nastang87xx]

I have two Vincero watches but fully knowing they have their place. I also bought them at heavy discounts too. They have given me appreciation for anti snobbery, philosophy of intended function, and putting my money towards different brands. For that, I am grateful. Honestly I think in terms of STYLE, my Kairos is the style I like the most. I wanted to find a watch around $1,000 with that type of style. The only thing I found that matched so closely was a Tag Carrera Calibre 5 and I didn't want to spend $1,500. I "settled" for a Longines Conquest. Couldn't be happier.

[@chrishurst6042]

What is the vincero like, I'm thinking of gettin one

[@nastang87xx]

@@chrishurst6042 I've evolved. You can do better for $150. Check out Orient.

[@UedashadoW]

congratulations! You gave the best explanation on the subject. I've been listening to so-called experts in the field criticize for many years without really understanding the reasons for so much criticism about so-called fashion brands. you gain a subscriber.

[@batuhankarabaglstudent241]

I have MVMT and DW watches, been using them 8-9 years since the beginning of those brands and they are really last. Still working properly didnt have any problem

[@anthoniusalphaproject1588]

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Access to better stuff is the result of self improvement, better car, better clothes, better shoes and better knowledge in appreciation. It’s not about becoming petulant but rounded in the rough edges. Those Vincero have quite some flaws and for that money I could bought anything else, I made the mistake because other you tubers that IN FACT don’t wear what they recommend. Excellent video Teddy!!!

[@Kwan4132]

+1 I personally couldn't stand behind a product unless I'd wear or use it myself. Too many KZbinr life-style coaches just tell you what you want to hear. It's refreshing to see an objective and fair critique from Teddy.

[@jaredcampbell]

Great video! You hit the nail right on the head with this one. Too often the recommended alternatives are not fashionable enough. They are nice but not what someone who is looking for a fashion watch would be looking for... usually. I, like you, have in the past... 10 years ago or more, purchased many fashion type watches, for one reason, because of how they looked. Now I have grown to appreciate the mechanics and history of the watch or brand and would never by another fashion watch. But like you said, most people don't care about all that, it is all about looks for them.

[@tojosephc]

This is really the best viewpoint I've heard from any KZbinr on these watches. People like Ben Arthur who say these watches are inherently worthless fail to understand that there is a market in the watch for those who don't love watches yet or gateway watches. I bought an original Grain back when their pricing was fair and that got me into better watches

[@Sejdr]

They are the the watch equivalent to Fast Fashion. Some people like to shop at HM and wear a DW - fast trend consumerism - while others like to spend money on quality and timeless pieces, be it clothes, bag or watches.

[@MrRea112]

Good points you raise here Teddy. One thing Vincero and DW have in common is they’re achingly beautiful to look at. Yeah, look closer and their quality shortcomings are apparent.Therefore you’re absolutely correct to say that manufacturers of good watches have failed their market in not matching their style excellence. I’d buy a Tissot or an Oris in a flash if they looked like any of the Vincero‘s you show here. Frederique Constant comes close to a good compromise in matching quality, style and price so I believe they’re somewhat underrated. What do you think?

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Totally agree with you here. And frederuque constant is so underrated and make some of the best looking watches under 5000 dollars.

[@chadwaters261]

Hi Teddy, I think that many people today who buy a watch, especially their first one, simply go on Amazon or to their local Wal-Mart or Kohls or other department store and buy the best looking watch in their price range, irrespective of brand, unless they have a family member or friend who steers them toward a particular brand. Fashion watch companies take advantage of this and make their watches as physically attractive as possible to appeal to the novice who doesn't know any better. True Swiss made watches are probably going to cost more than what the first-time buyer is going to want to pay anyway, in many instances. I do agree with you that the established watch companies absolutely need to do better in advertising to the young generation but also make watches that catch their eye, especially as we become more of a throw away society and their attention is more and more caught by new technology, not the good old fashioned wrist watch.

[@josepht.7937]

Teddy, you make an excellent point. As long as these people don't fluff it up to be more than what they are, they do have a place here. They can get people interested in horology starter watches, or these are just things to have as fashion pieces for your outfits. Ultimately the consumer will know why and be comfortable with why he or she buys these watches. Great video!👍

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

You sum up my thoughts exactly, Joseph! Thanks for watching man!

[@josepht.7937]

Teddy Baldassarre you bet!

[@unknownriderinbound]

You are definitely right about the horological echo chamber we place ourselves in. Before dismissing any of the companies mentioned, one has to remember that Swatch started out as the same kind of fashion accessory marketing company, and quite literally went on to take over the watch world. Swatch figured out how to sell the MTv generation the same way their modern counterparts have used social media to capture the current target demographic. It will be interesting to see if any of these companies will have the staying power to become the next Swatch or Ralph Lauren, or end up on the ash heap with the likes of Jordache, OP, and Members Only.

[@davethrasher4124]

I love how I'm now seeing ads for MVMT any time I watch TV. Zero desire to own one, especially after purchasing a Sangin

[@win2569]

I just bought a Vincero watch and have yet to receive it in the mail. I just turned 24 and never really looked into watches. Saw an ad on instagram and fell in love with it and bought it. The thing is, people my age can't drop $400, $2000 or $10,000 on a watch. We're busy paying student loans and worrying how we're gonna eat. But if you can get a stylish watch for $150, it seems way more achievable if you save up a little and then you can get it. At the end of the day, you can think of Vincero and other watches like that watch is gonna be their first car. Hardly anyone has a great first car but hopefully they can graduate to better things moving forward. I know nothing about watches, but the past 2 days I've been learning a lot about them. And I know I'm 1 of thousands like that and it's getting a whole new generation into watches.

[@robertmerlo6505]

I do believe all the fashion watches that you're speaking of have a place in the watch world, it's a stepping stone for many to get into collecting or getting to know about watches. We have to remember that not all of us can afford luxury end watches off the get go and a lot of us don't know anything about horology till we start getting interested in the topic , so we kind of go with the aesthetic look which these watches offer, but in the end as many watch bloggers have stated, if you like it and you want it then it's up to you to purchase it and rock it well. Competition is good for business and that's why they are here, maybe this causes the luxury end watches 2 adjust their advertising or start making entry-level watches as well.

[@ragnaroerensson821]

First of all, I am really starting to like your channel more and more Teddy. Your content is always straight to the point, very elaborate, unbiased (where objectivity is required) and pleasant to watch/listen to. Second of all, I agree with you that those brands have a place in the watch world, but it is not to last. Let me explain: the success of the mentioned brands to me only has to do with the terrible marketing of the 'real' watch brands. So I think they will only last as long as the big boys don't improve their respective marketing strategies. Unfortunately, I doubt that this will happen in the near future, but if it did, the actual watch companies would blew the kickstarter brands away due to far better quality and heritage. The only way to survive for the fashion brands in my eyes would be to sell actual quality products instead of just a brand name on some cheap piece of metal, but as long as the traditional brands don't get their marketing sh*t together, they can just continue doing what they do. Of course, I am not a watch expert nor do I know the industry very well, but from my observations the traditional watch companies are very lazy, almost snobby, kind of disconnected from the newer generations and on top of that too slow in what they do and decide. More often than not it is "next year: business as usual" instead of coming up with something innovative and creative to aim at the market of soon-to-be wealthy young people. Yeah, rant stops here, have a great day and thanks for reading if you got to this point :D (might be smart to set a TL;DR at the start of my comments haha)

[@Apadiel117]

I got into watches because of my Vincero watch that I bought but I still am quite happy with the purchase and I've kept it. I've held a Daniel Wellington and I've read into MvMt, The fifth and other fashion brands alot and I definitely think that Vincero is way better in quality than any of those. I sometimes even prefer my Vincero to my Orient Bambino in terms of looks and versatility. Though the Vincero will never beat any Seikos or Citizens for the same price point.

[@incendiumaquila7605]

Does the Vincero still work? I prefer the designs of Vincero’s Kairos over Seikos and Citizens but just curious on how it is after a few years.

[@Apadiel117]

@@incendiumaquila7605 After two years, it stopped ticking. But I think it's just the battery, I've been too lazy to change it though to see if it's actually that. I still wear my Seiko 5 everyday though since I bought it 4 years ago so it's definitely a more reliable watch.

[@juancalderon8652]

I wonder if the Vincero I received by mistake is a sign I made a bad purchase on the first watch? So here's what happen, I bought a watch Vincero, they ran out let me know it would be shipping in January 2019, but mistakenly I received one early two weeks after I made the order, so I believe in getting the second one in January.. . could it be that these Vincero watches are actually worth $50 in Shenzhen China street market?

[@arahant69]

Just got a Vincero Kairos automatic. My first watch I have ever worn. I like the idea of it never needing to be opened or wound and will last for decades. Wasn't about the fashion statement for me. Did fall for the ads though on youtube and admit to impulse buying.

[@vibenation2001]

Deicades😂

[@vladislav2471]

I had bought Vincero...it was my first and last time buying from Vincero

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

And they have better quality than many of the other brands mentioned here.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Glad to see you came over from the darkside lol

[@vladislav2471]

Teddy Baldassarre my vincero (kairos series blue dial) doesnt even work properly: its date doesnt work and is always late and luminous hands dont glow in pitch dark at all!

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Damn :( sad to hear. You live and you learn

[@diegoog3654]

do not replace it with another!

[@randomdude3146]

What's the watch displayed at 4:03?

[@jonasclaeys1991]

Teddy, I believe most people buying fashion watches aren't well informed about the alternatives. Without forcing your opinions on them in doing so. For example: MVMT's marketing is claiming to be affordable luxury. This is the exact same thing we hate about the forcefulness in watch snobbery. Their marketing is so aggressive, a lot of young people are blinded by it. Now, if someone, who understands the alternatives, who understands there isn't much value in the movement and build quality, still chooses to buy a fashion brand, then I fully agree with their choice and even support them. This is the same message you're giving us. These watches are for some people. But because of the aggressive marketing strategy, most people don't know any better, so they buy the watch and actually convince theirselves they've made a good deal. This scenario is hard for me to support and is the main reason we dislike these brands. Claiming to be something they're not, giving conflicting and hazy information about their history, often fabricating it completely. However, I see this time and time again, even in you: these aggressive strategies are getting people to buy watches. And for a fraction of these, which you and I are a part of, it opened the gates to learning and yearning for more, educating ourselves, through the communities and the vast information online. In this way, fashion brands are actually contributing to horology awareness.

[@panblue43]

Hi! As others told, for example casio (edifice) or citizen are better options. From cheap watches I tried S Oliver - it was very comfortable, precise but the ion painted band was not high quality. Esprit - I loved them, had not matter, only weak thing the luminous hands/marks (weak light) and the leather band. Timberland - I also loved it, heavy, durable type was with epson movement.Without problem. Fossil - one of my favourite for some ocassion.The luminous hands and marks are beautiful, the watch glass embossed, leather strap is good too.Bought very cheap at outlet price. A category up: Festina - looks beautiful, the movements are correct, I hold it in my collection. Swiss Military Hanowa - swiss ronda movement, the housing and both watch is very durable, the sapphire glass is perfect. Casio (edifice - Toro Rosso series) : very good quality, comfortable, durable watches. I wear a lot but they looks brand new. Citizen (I love ecodrives) - my best option at "low-mid" price, the best quality from cheap battery powered to ecodrives. I bought some in outlet at half or lower price.Very good materials and make quality, perfect movements, very good bands.Best price to value ratio.

[@BombShot]

As a young man who wanted simple watch I bought a cheaper mvmt watch with some extra straps for different clothes, and it was all I could find, all the seikos orients, and what have you were waaay to flashy and "old money" for me, to put it simply, when I tried one on at a store with a henly, jeans, and boots, I looked like a dweeb in the mirror with this big extravogant watch with 38 dials, so I was shocked to see people say that they were bad watches and no-body should buy them, but none of the other watches they reccomended looked nice to me. At the end of the day I like the watches from mvmt specifically. I'm glad someone else gets that theres a need for these new simply not so flashy watches.

[@jonathanluse4641]

Watching this video, getting into watches from my MVMT watch. Agree about the quality but got me into it!

[@mrrrr1921]

I bought my first watch Casio Edifice 10 years ago for 180$, I am still wearing it. I don't think these fashion brands won't last long that much.

[@zahktuthalxalyrion6364]

Agreed. Every watch serves a purpose, and anyone who buys fashion watches will eventually find out about other kinds of watches and notice the quality difference. And that may be all it takes to start a new watch enthusiast!

[@TerralingSurvivor]

My first watch was a watch from Linjer. At the time, I had seen a few of TGV's videos on avoiding fashion watches, but I guess I was too enamored with the idea that Linjer was not the kickstarter watch brand all the other ones were. I paid a hefty price for the watch and regretted purchasing it for a while, but ended up accepting its place in my minuscule watch collection. Although it may not have the brand heritage and does not offer as good value as places like Seiko and Orient, I can still appreciate its Swiss movement, sapphire crystal, and quality leather strap.

[@inkitatus1]

For most folk, myself included, history & heritage add nothing to a watch brand except a unjustifiable price tag.. I buy watches that I like the because of the style, materials used,movement, reliability & build quality& value for money. I've previously worn G-Shocks but for the last year a Seiko Turtle with ceramic insert on a Strapcode endmill. These fashion watches don't appeal because they lack the quality & like most microbrands are overpriced . Good video, cheers 👍👍

[@paceyombex]

As an accessory and not a form of appreciation of horology, they kind of make sense, some of them do look trendy. But, the problem with most of them, I think, is the way they were marketed. Some of them were marketed as an "affordable luxury", when they were not. That kind of marketing deceive people into thinking that these watches are luxurious, when they are actually buying a grossly overpriced watch. I think people should know about this fact first, so they can set their expectation. If they already knew about the fact, yet they still prefer the trendy look and image of fashion watches, more power to them, maybe they will learn about traditional watch brand in the future if they were interested in learning about watches. BTW, nice video as always Ted, Keep 'em coming (and also the giveaway lol).

[@SecondHourWatches]

The argument that these are gateway brands is fair, but then you look at Orient, whose build quality, materials and quality control are outstanding at such a low price

[@nyhadny]

Hey, you're the best dressed watch reviewer now

[@eronavbj]

Wholeheartedly agree. I've never had the resources to acquire an Omega, Rolex, Tudor, etc. Even a good Victorinox is a stretch. But what I've seen of the brands in this video, they appear no better made than some of the Asian bargains readily available for less than half of these micros. To me, these trendy brands scream, "GULLIBLE!"

[@jslee80]

Actually many luxury Swiss watches with simple movements are also exorbitantly marked up. Even without any precious metals or gems on them.

[@BN99239]

The style, design and color of some of these watches just look good to a lot of people. Sometimes, that's all that matters. You've made a good point by saying that not all people who wear watches are watch collectors or someone who cares about the mechanics of a watch. No one needs a watch to tell time nowadays since they can tell time with mobile phones, car screens, tablets, laptops, TV, etc.

[@navyvet05]

i bought a MVMT field watch 2 years ago. its still tickin, and still looks good. and you’re right, 99%% of people buying watches just dont care about all the jazz that the timepiece snobs care about.

[@TheCds777]

So tell us what good watch looks like. Do you have videos of those?

[@MightyBoot]

I use a Vincero every day. for work. kind of rough work. lots of bumps and bangs. it holds up, so get one of you're looking to do rough work with it.

[@carycoller3140]

I have about 50 watches. Some are cheap, some, not so much. But they each caught my eye, which is why I bought them. I don't own any of the watches in this video, but I can say that from the photos some of them are quite attractive. I believe every watch has a place in Watch World. There will always be someone who likes a style that others don't like. That, to me, is what makes watch collecting fun and interesting. Good video.

[@jinraigami3349]

Question is "Is there any good looking as Vincero with reasonable price + quality"? I don't care about other options because of style reference, but Vincero from my opinion has build quality problem as you said as I experienced one of its hand fall off the moment I open the box.

[@jinraigami3349]

@&Ö& Paneristi both.

[@arashmohtadi1603]

Thoughts on Brathwait? They are made super well, Swiss movements, sapphire crystals etc. I’ve had my classic slim for 4 years with no scratches or issues.

[@msderay]

Great video. Succinct and to the point. My wife got me an Original Grain whiskey barrel watch. As whiskey enthusiasts (both of us), it was a lovely gift, and still looks great with summer wear, and almost always starts conversations. My favorite watch is my vintage Omega Seamaster, which has only grabbed the eye of maybe a half dozen passionate watch fans who notice the off size from the current Omegas.

[@bengabay3917]

Exactly as you said!!!. I will give my self as an example. I really started to like watches but as a fashion Item. I am not going to buy high quality watch if I don't like the way it looks.... But I want a watch that I like the way it look and that is good quality and I looked for seiko and Tissot and some more brand and most of them are not making something that is really fashionable (at least not my style... I mean it is just my opinion of course) I found a Rado one that I like but cost around 3000usd which is still a lot for me at this point. I hope the good reliable brands will start give more options and styles.

[@takenbythewindNdrivenbythesea]

Actually Vincero looks classy even for a fashion wristwatch. I really love Vincero. Not bad at all. Can use for all kinds of occasions.

[@lethario1874]

As someone that's been contemplating whether or not to get a MVMT watch for awhile, this video is really helpful for me. Thanks, my good sir. You deserve a sub for that

[@NB-sq7ui]

I've had my Vincero , gunmetal Rogue watch for over 2 years now..And I love it..Nothings happened to it , it's not scratched or fell apart? Think it's amazing for 200 pounds..Not exactly a lot of money for watches these days..

[@kaunas888]

Here in Spain in the local department store's watch section by far the biggest space is allocated to the fashion brands of Lotus, Festina, Jaguar and Viceroy. They have so many different styles, tend to be attention getting looks, have mediocre but adequate quality and prices that are between 100-160 Euros. The fashion watch section is about 15 times bigger than space allocated for the Japanese watches: Seiko, Citizen, Orient and Casio. For the masses the philosophy is that they can get a slick looking watch, that should be reasonably reliable and won't break the bank. It is not for me...but I can understand where they are coming from.

[@ethylique]

3:14 is a very important point. I do believe people care about watches but when you get to stylish pieces from well known watchmakers the prices are exorbitant. At the end of the day what a normal person will do to get a nice looking watch? They go to those lousy companies.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Phi True. It's almost as if they don't have a choice.

[@abritishguy8351]

The aspect of fashion watches as an idea that I like is that because they don't have a heritage or reputation to uphold when the brand first comes into existence, they are able to be freer with their appearance. I don't have a high income and I suspect my style will change within the next few years so many of the watchs are things I really like (e.g. I like the textures of original grain watches and find the aesthetic of Skagen watches appeals to who I am now). I realise they are flawed and shallow in other ways but they suit my needs and are within the realms of possibility for me Edit: that said if your response is 'but this is so much better' I'd be very happy to hear that and look forward to being persuaded😂

[@honeybro3385]

How's original grain? They look cool in the wood... Are they cheaply built also?

[@danielibarra2261]

I own a few original grain watches and i like them but like you they were a band the got me more interested in watches and made wanna learning more about watches and wanting to seeking better quality watch makers

[@g.5893]

I dont know about MVMT or DW but I can say that Vincero is actually great as a first watch If you just wanna see If you like watches or not... I already saw you in the comment saying that they even have sort of the best quality compared to the other fashion Brands and I gotta say im happy with my Vincero Cronograph that i got for 120$ with discount Codes. My next watch was a Maurice Lacroix for 800$ which Im really happy with, but originally I would have never bought it If I didnt own a vincero beforehand.

[@rodrigoperaza5202]

I’ve been thinking of acquiring a Vincero but while I was seeing these videos I’m getting mixed feelings about it. Some say it’s good, some say it’s bad, some say it’s just ok, so I’m not entirely sure of what to think about it. Personally I like the designs they offer but I’m not spending money of a watch if it results in being garbage at the end so be honest with me, if you have or had a Vincero, is it worth it? Please keep in mind that I’m considering Vincero because of the prices

[@safemitstifer]

I have never been disappointed since I became a customer of gussl. Their timepieces are of exceptional quality.

[@SOPARA862k]

I love my Vincero watch, it's the chrono s with blue face, I got the stainless steel strap for everyday use and the brown leather one for smarter occasions.

[@mschumer]

I just got the watch bug two months ago. I bought a DW, fell in love with Triwa. Then I bought a few Tissot Automatics, Orient and yes a Movado 1881 ( I couldn’t resist the look). Today, my first and probably only Omega was delivered. The anchor of the collection. I need to stop buying now! I’ve learned a lot and thanks for your videos.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Hey Michael! Thanks for watching man! What omega did you get?

[@mschumer]

A De Ville Prestige blue face, 424.13.40.20.03.001. I figured I’m going to stop buying for quite awhile so I wanted one serious watch that has the chronometer designation. Not a fan of diver watches. So a couple thousand vs. many thousands! Lol! I thought photography was expensive!

[@voiceofexperience]

You won't stop. This is only the beginning of your journey.

[@MartinJablonski]

That's a lot of watches for just 8 weeks.

[@mschumer]

Tell me about it. I went nuts! Need to take a deep breath now. Returned some to weed out the pack.

[@Jp_1998_]

Completely agree with you. I became interested in watches and horology because of a fashion brand as well, so they certainly serve some purpose

[@2010frankieg]

are lower end versions of seiko , omega, rolex, longines, bulova, exc..better than these new guys you speak of? please tell us your thoughts on that.

[@Embargoman]

MVMT is now acquired by Movado, and now it seems that you don't hear of ESQ anymore and I have an ESQ it is a great watch I had it for 17 years.

[@imwastedhere]

A kid in my school was showing off his vincero to bad he didn't take off when we play soccer because the watch gat hit by a ball (he was golie) and the watch didn't work anymore but I'm not sure if we was able to read analog time though because he keep putting it on a all that month