My Honest Thoughts on The Final Experiment

What will happen in Antarctica when Will Duffy takes the flat and globe Earthers to witness the 24 hour sun? In this video I give my thoughts on the whole thing.
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[@Scrapla1]

They will 100% come up with excuses for a 24hr sun.

[@andrewdowell5685]

Haven't they already claimed that there could be multiple local suns? So if they claim that, then they could say one of the local suns stayed around Antartica longer than usual. Or, they might say it is a projection or hologram.

[@mr.doctor6774]

They'll move the goal posts like they have before and still idiots will flock to idiots.

[@sgecko7]

@@andrewdowell5685that or the solar sinulator

[@davidmcgill1000]

@@andrewdowell5685 Would look forward to their continuous study on each individual sun and how they are able to identify their appearance and patterns of travel. If they really do exist then they should be entirely capable of doing research on them.

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

They already do and are at it for months now, tryin to discredit and reframe it to fit their narrative.

[@Juggadoosh]

The final experiment is not to see if there’s a 24 hour sun. It’s to separate the “truth seekers” from the grifters. It’s already started, and seeing how many of these flerf preachers denied the trip, it’s been successful

[@Tuubasd]

Is Dan also a grifter since he denied the trip then?

[@Syntex366]

I think in the KZbin community the only true believer I’ve ever seen is the van-man, Casey. Everyone else is clearly freaked out by this experiment because a KZbin DIY experiment with actual effort is all it takes to shatter the grifter’s stupid narrative.

[@paulmadryga]

I must confess that part of me is curious to see how the grifters are going to further move the goalposts in 2-1/2 months (given that they've already started to do so)...

[@SciTrekMan]

@@TuubasdNo, since he doesn’t claim the earth is flat, nor has ever claimed there is no 24-hour sun in the Antarctic, unlike every flerf in existence.

[@adamhymas4620]

​@@Tuubasdit's not a grift to speak the truth, so no.

[@steveward53]

They've ignored every other piece of evidence / proof there is so there's no reason to suggest they'll accept this latest offering.

[@Syntex366]

That’s why any flat earther that is going is getting kicked out of the community and called a double agent and traitor. If they are forced to witness it, the grift is over. This is the most literal “head in the sand” reaction they’ve ever had. “Don’t go.” “Don’t witness.” “It’s not an experiment.” “It’s not real.” “Those flat earthers aren’t real believers, don’t trust them.”

[@markfoz7248]

Totally agree

[@JohnThompsonthegreat]

@@markfoz7248. We’ve told many times it proves nothing to us

[@isaac827]

Jeran even went through this before with the laser and the lake experiment years ago, the only thing that is uncertain is what they will shift their justification to.

[@LuigiFan1akaStar]

Let's not give up hope completely though from those who don't believe there is a 24 hour Sun yet. If Jeranism is as honest he is, he might change his view once he sees the Sun stay up for 24 hours. He isn't like Dave Weiss or anyone who tries to make a 24 hour Sun work suddenly. I can't blame either of you though for doubting about the scenario.

[@silvermanemilard]

They won't accept a 15 degree drift (Thanks Bob!). No way they'll accept the 24 hour sun.

[@simond.455]

The only thing flerfs are consistent in is denying evidence and failing basic education.

[@NS-ks5qc]

Even Bob didn't accept his own findings. R.I.P. Bob, but it was correct the Earth's speed is a 15 degree per hour drift. As Chris (CC from West County NY) would say "Learn Basic Physics"

[@beckydoesit9331]

And what if they don't see a 24 hour Sun, what's the lame excuse for that?

[@DeliMeatTree]

But they will, because the earth is round.​@beckydoesit9331

[@dudono1744]

What's funny is that the 15° drift just proves that earth is spinning. The centrifugal acceleration would be like 10^-3 m/s² at the equator on a flat Earth (going by the old definition of the meter, which is that the distance between the North Pole and the equator is 10,000,000 meters). That acceleration is pretty small, so flerfs would find a way to brush it off.

[@anopoabednego6173]

You know, there is a race every 4 years where people race boats AROUND antarctica. Allllll the fuck way around the mf.

[@NoisR]

If flatties would see that live they wouldnt have arguments left.

[@ashhawk2346]

​@@NoisR unlikely.. we give them a live view from outer space and they claim fake. Boats would be no different.

[@Fluoman_]

What's the name of the race?

[@bullschitt3666]

​@@Fluoman_interestingly enough it was the word Globe in the name. Can't think of the first word

[@simond.455]

@@Fluoman_ Vendée Globe. It starts on November 10th this year.

[@tussk.]

The final experiment was set up to see how the flat earthers would react to being handed a chance to provide definitive proof of thier claims. The trip is the least interesting part of it.

[@steve-martin-42]

Flat earthers are practising moving goal posts faster than an F1 pitstop 🌏🌎🌍

[@Down_is_now_up]

Just think about what would happen if a soccer club hired a flattie as caretaker. Every match delayed for hours searching for the goal posts.

[@mr.doctor6774]

More than somewhat.

[@feedingravens]

Goal posts disprove the globe. Flat earthers move them so fast than on a globe earth they would reach escape velocity and fly off into space. But there are still goalposts, so the earth must be flat.

[@jimonthecoast3234]

the goal post have been moved so far, they had to change the shape of the foot ball

[@jimonthecoast3234]

@@feedingravens globers are still scoring goals., so Earth is indeed round.. it's so round, the ball keeps scoring as it orbits.

[@Elitistb616]

Can people stop saying "globe earther"? They should just say "normal people" or something.

[@bluecheese4877]

I’m guessing you’re a globetard

[@professorwigg7233]

Was about to say this same thing. There is no need to categorise people who know the earth is a ball.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

Sane people.

[@extremesis]

i like how some flat earther have stopped using the term 'atmosphere' and are just going with 'atmos', because the 'atmos' cannot be sphere shaped.

[@hobojoe9717]

Yeah, realistically theres no such thing as a “globe earther.” People like Dan, Dave McKeegan, etc. should just be referred to as flat earth debunkers.

[@39zack]

Nothing will happen. The flatters will just claim "muh fake, muh interesting, muh cgi"

[@jwb932]

The most popular argument from them so far seems to be, "Yes, there might be a 24 hour Sun in Antarctica (at times) but it doesn't have anything to do with the shape of the Earth."

[@Kasparth]

@@jwb932 it gets stuck on top of the glass dome, then continues it's cycle around it duh

[@Wolfeur]

@@jwb932 I've seen a counter argument saying the air/firmament acts as a semi-spherical lens that distorts light in such a way that explains it, and to their credits they had a working small model showing it working pretty much as they claimed. So yeah, it won't change much.

[@jwb932]

@@Wolfeur That's also Eric Dubay's explanation as to why the Sun always appears the same size in the sky regardless of whether it's near or far from the observer.

[@Scrapla1]

Yea this is def not going to end the flat earth religion but I hope it knocks out either Witsit or Jeran but we all know they will just be labeled shills

[@blackened872]

Tons of respect for wanting to be with your family around Christmas. You only get so many.

[@kernicterus1233]

Not a shift worker then 😂

[@leahcimwerdna5209]

You are awesome for wanting to spend that time with you kids. 👊

[@chrispetritsch1291]

Awesome for being a normal dad?!

[@Plethorality]

​@@chrispetritsch1291being a normal dad is always awesome.

[@Cornwall1888]

I’ll be shocked if any flatties actually go

[@jwb932]

I think they'll go. It's a $40,000 trip and an adventure of a lifetime. I think it was stupid for Eric Dubay to pass it up so he can continue his grift.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

​@@jwb932As a Nazi POS, Dubay doesn't want to risk getting punched in the face.

[@kernicterus1233]

@@jwb932 I agree, and it says more than just grifting with Weiss/Okley/Dubay/Sargent et al. refusing it.

[@Kerpeles]

Witsit going is perfect. Let’s see how the coffee cup caustic actually looks like. Witsit is already calculating how he is going to boost his visibility with this and what’s the word salad story he is going to spit out.

[@JohnCashin]

It will be interesting to see because I've often wondered if Witsit REALLY believes it or if he's just playing some sort of a game. I have to say, he seems reasonably intelligent, I'll give him that, and even though his arguments are questionable at best, he presents a very sophisticated defence of something that seems absurd, I mean, it's not as if he's on any bonehead level or anything, so I can't see why he supports this seemingly insane idea unless he truly is SOMEHOW convinced or he's making money or something out of it 🤔

[@JW-mb6tq]

Witsit just makes noises with his mouth that sound kinda like language. If you know anything about the topics he mimics you know it’s just blather.

[@just9911]

@@JohnCashinhe’s a grifter and a rabid anti-establishment type. He’s a christofascist and a sovcit. Basically like 4 or 5 different types of terrible all rolled up into one.

[@hobojoe9717]

@@JohnCashin The fact that he’s even going on this trip makes me think that he does believe. Any grifter would avoid it like the plague since they know there would be no way they could deny it after seeing the 24 hour sun for themselves. Unless Witsit has some sort of plan to turn his channel around and pivot to something else. He’s also been peddling that Electric Gravity nonsense for a while so he might just focus solely on that instead.

[@Kerpeles]

@@JohnCashin for me Witsit is clearly a grifter. He is making so many arguments that there is no possibility that he hasn’t noticed how flat earth doesn’t work. He clearly just creates his alternative stories to confuse people.

[@FarmandSMC]

“You can’t debunk our model…. as we don’t have one!!”

[@hesido]

This is one of their go-to's as well. As soon as I start brining up generally "accepted" FE altitude of the hovering sun, I'm accused of straw-manning the FE model, obviously the model is not debunkable if there's not model to debunk.

[@MelanaC]

This is a brilliant opportunity for those who can go. I have a friend from Aberdeen Scotland who regularly went to Antarctica with Robert Gordon’s university research programme and she loved it immensely Beautiful winter sun!

[@devinhood7340]

It's dark there in the winter!

[@protoborg]

@@devinhood7340 No.

[@diegomartinez7180]

I imagine the experience is amazing and what you learn from it is invaluable. I have a question: why "winter sun"? The 24 hour sun in Antarctica is only possible during the southern summer. A different thing is that at the same time on the north (for example in Scotland), it's winter. Those same days, for example in Svalbard, will be permanently dark.

[@caribbeanman3379]

It's not winter sun. It's summer sun. Summer sun and winter darkness. That's what the poles get.

[@robotsonmars1989]

@@devinhood7340yep I get what you are saying.. They have winter in our summer and summer in our winter. Hence the 24 hour sun at Christmas..

[@SciTrekMan]

*“No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot.”*

[@guillermoelnino]

Which is why y ou still believe in gl obal wa rming

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

Thing is.. you could literally fly them to the moon and they’d accuse you of coding a simulation to trick them

[@joeds3775]

That's when id show them the door and how to use it, then id close the airlock and wait for them to pop outside for a while...

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

@@joeds3775 😂

[@Jimages_uk]

The glass dome that is used to show the sun shining around the flat earth would not produce a sun going around you if you at the Antarctic, so that model fails as well

[@cyanidejunkie]

While the experiment is going on in the south, it would be nice to get someone in northern Alaska or a similar latitude to record the 24 hour night, particularly in Barrow (fka) Alaska where the sun doesn’t rise for approximately 67 days. Be a good bookend to the South Pole experiment. Just thinking out loud.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

I had the same thought. Just as a way to kinda rub it in, y’know?😏

[@CarBENbased]

I don't recall who it was, but either Dave or MCToon were saying they were coordinating with someone to take pictures of the sun somewhere up North at the same time in order to match up sunspots so people will have less of an excuse to say the footage if faked.

[@nasapayrollsystem8701]

67 days ... I could not live there... I would be curios to visit .. both in the summer and winter .. But living there ,, .. would just do head in

[@annalieff-saxby568]

That's an excellent idea.

[@guitarchitectural]

​@@CarBENbasedhow do you propose to get pics of sunspots in a place where there's no sun for 24h? 🤭

[@wraitholme]

One cannot reason someone out of a position that they havn't gotten into through reason. Flerfers have their beliefs due to emotional needs, or financial needs, or simply both. That's why 'gotta lie to flerf' is a thing, that's why they get angry or condescending, that's why they simply ignore any actual evidence and make patently deeply flawed 'experiments'. I think this is a vital initiative to add to the mountain of evidence for those who are teetering on the line of becoming a flerfer, but it's not going to affect those already there too deeply, and will be aggressively resisted by those who make money from the flerf grift.

[@ascensionindustries9631]

I have a friend that has unfortunately fallen into the flat earth trap. I've known him for over 20 years so I can't really tell him to p--s off. However, he hardly brings it up because he knows I can bombard him with questions he cannot answer.

[@primonomeultimonome]

@@ascensionindustries9631 I guess he also refuses to look at the endless evidence for the globe or to make his own observations...

[@mad2fly]

My worry is that it will be overcast the entire time. Then the flat earthers will say that NASA manipulated the weather and projected daylight above the clouds to make it appear to be a 24 hour sun. Even if the sun goes behind a cloud for 10 minutes they will say it set during that 10 minutes.

[@peteskyrunner4845]

It's rarely cloudy there. I think it's classed as a desert. So hopefully the sun will shine on the globe earth that day (and night lol).

[@jwb932]

I don't think it will matter. They've already conceded there's probably a 24 hour Sun down there. They just say it doesn't have anything to do with the shape of the Earth.

[@wettuga2762]

That dome trick that shines light all around the flat earth arctic wall was very neat. Now let's see them explain 24 hour nights during the arctic winter.

[@JW-mb6tq]

I never quite understand the trick. Wouldn’t it end up looking like two lights? Won’t it rotate the wrong direction? It seems like it would not rotate in a complete circle around you like it does in Antarctica. I have never really looked into it.

[@Rachel_M_]

Minor point that everyone seems to have overlooked. A paperweight is solid glass. Their imaginary dome isn't. Be quite difficult to move around if it was.

[@RecoveryTurtle]

@@Rachel_M_air pressure = dome pressure, of course.

[@just9911]

@@RecoveryTurtle how do they account for the fact that air pressure drops as you go up? Why does the atmosphere have a pressure gradient under their nonsense system?

[@RecoveryTurtle]

@@just9911 i haven’t seen any attempts at answering that. Just denials involving heads shoved in various places.

[@adamstrange7884]

Being that close to Witsit would make me throw up in my mouth!

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Yeah, I don’t think I’d like to be stuck with him for all those hours. I’d be worried he say something SO ridiculous that I’d have to hit him, then it’d be all awkward…In Antarctica😖

[@diegomartinez7180]

Remembering the old saying: Don't fight with a pig, both of you will get filthy and the pig likes it. The reality is people will believe what they want to believe, and they will defend those beliefs with their very life. And when their beliefs are challenged, they'll respond by attacking those who think different. The problem is that the only way to actually fight against conspiracy theorists is through education, and educating those who actually can AND want to be educated. Trying to change the mind of a 40 year old person who doesn't want to listen is nearly impossible. I'm not as "optimist" as you. Those guys who will enjoy the trip to Antarctica will return saying that they were roofied or something and that they were placed in an artificial environment for them to see what "governments" want them to see.

[@davidjuson5608]

Or, as my Granny was fond of saying: "There's nowt so daft as them that wants to be."

[@ascensionindustries9631]

Any flat earther taken to Antarctica is surely going to scream "This isn't really Antarctica! We're not allowed to go there!" Plus something about the sun being a hologram.

[@virgilflowers9846]

I love my family dearly, nothing makes me happier than my daughter. But give me an opportunity to go to Antarctica, I don’t care if it’s over Christmas, I’m going lol. That’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. Cheers to you for being able to turn that down for your family though, I don’t think I’d be able to!

[@abrahama2643]

One thing that doesn't get mentioned enough is the fact that you can buy a computer and punch in code, and numbers and create an exact replica of how the solar system works accurately enough to predict sunsets and sunrises. How would that be possible if all the math didn't add up?

[@dudono1744]

That's actually hard to do because relativity isn't negligable (Mercury is a butthole of a planet)

[@jimsmith7212]

​@dudono1744 I thought that was Uranus... but what do I know? I'm not an astronomer.

[@overcomingobstaclescreates1695]

Because NASA gets to the computers before they're sold, dontchya know? 😉🤪

[@arctic_haze]

Let's be realistic. It is obvious what the participants will see. It is also obvious the flatties will never believe them. So nothing "final" about the experiment but it will be fun for everyone who goes there (or at least the non-flatties ones)

[@OlivierGabin]

My bet is there is a non-zero chance that at least one flat earther uses this trip as a pretext to get out of flat Earth. Yes, those guys are so desperately dumb that they will be stupid enough to play Russian roulette with an automatic gun... AKA go being crucified by Professor Dave in any debate with him, or go to a place where they can't find any excuse for what they will see, which obviously would blow up in smithereens all their flattard talking points. Note that the real con men (Eric Dubay, Mark Sargent) that perfectly knows they are charlatans peddling crap to gullible idiots won't go there to blow up their source of income. Either would stay at home the sociopaths (LEO, Nathan Oakley) whose sole motivation is to have a talking point to insult people more intelligent as they are as a way to feel greater than the complete social and intellectual failure they are outside of their KZbin channel. We will see...

[@stevennelson8479]

Merciless mockery of flattards and then can officially call them grifters and all that

[@Isolder74]

Those that have refused are admitting thatn they know what will be seen and are looking for any excuse to ignore the results. Results that for years they have declared are impossible.

[@chriscasperson5927]

The primary reason for TFE is to shake the flerf tree and gather the fallen straight into Young Earth Creationism. Will Duffy is a science denier who draws the line at "Erf be flat."

[@protoborg]

@@chriscasperson5927 And you are an idiot!

[@Alessandro-B]

This is what 99% of flerfs will do: 1 come up with excuses; 2 come up with excuses; 3 come up with excuses.

[@fromthegamethrone]

You forgot: come up with excuses

[@robertlafleur5179]

That’s what they’ve been doing for years, this won’t be any different.

[@danialwilker]

this is an interesting demonstrations of where video stabilization is at, its stabilizing your background instead of you, weird to see, but is technically more realistic, or "true to life" rather

[@Elnufo]

Once TFE has happened, we will need a lot of Dressing for the Word Salad the Flerfs will dish out.

[@icaleinns6233]

I can't WAIT to see how CC from New York attempts to "debunk" the 24 hr. sun. That one's gonna be hilarious! 😂

[@kernicterus1233]

I don't think he engages with much flat/globe content.

[@cameleon5643]

They are going to blame it on the white walkers outside the ice wall!

[@sendintheclowns7305]

You know nothing cameleon.

[@Ratciclefan]

Gotta love how the "seekers of truth" on the flerf side are all refusing to go and saying it would prove nothing, like they weren't saying until recently that 24h sun only happens in Alaska.

[@michaelthomas7898]

It's easy, Jeranism and Wittsit will bail, and no one will believe the girl. Game still on. It would be a great idea to send someone north to video the 24 hours of darkness though.

[@DouglasJenkins]

The FE 'experiment' you mentioned with a light focused on the outside bottom of a glass hemisphere over a map showing light being refracted all around the edge is still a problem for flerfs. 1) is the sun inside or outside of the 'firmament?' 2) How, if inside, with a solid firmament?' 3) When, in the FE 'model,' is the sun that low in altitude? 4) When, in the FE 'model,' is the sun further south of the Tropic of Capricorn? Like most flerf 'proofs.' one illustration makes another impossible!

[@hesido]

That demo if rendered from the view on ground, would result in a smeared Sun across the sky. It looks cool from the top down view, I'll give'em that.

[@Jimschrbr]

For starters, just the act of going to Antarctica is going to blow holes in the theories or many flerfs. How many of them subscribe to the notion that you can't even go there? So, when you get there, then what do you say? Maybe "this isn't REALLY Antarctica!"? What do you think, that they are on a soundstage somewhere? Or maybe "this is only a small portion of Antarctica and you have gotten special permission to be here!". Whatever the case may be, even when they are standing in Antarctica (where no one is allowed to go) and seeing the sun never setting for themselves they will come up with some excuse to not believe what they are actually seeing. They will just keep moving the goal posts no matter how many times you put the football through the uprights. 😳

[@dudono1744]

Someone should bring a compass to see it go wild.

[@rahallde]

The Creaky Blinder would bring fun in this.

[@earlgrey2130]

I think the final experiment suffers from the same issue as debates about the existance of god between atheists and theists: One side tries to use reason and logic to win their argument against the other side that never cared about reason or logic in the first place. It's like two people trying to communicate that speak different languages. A futile exercise.

[@gametime2473]

The question of god's existence is impossible to know for sure so those two examples are not the same.

[@mrpositronia]

Flerfers started their excuses practically on day one of the announcement. "It proves nothing!". "They will just lie!". "Sun simulators!"

[@MrMulleteer]

Next challenge for the flat earthers would be to present a model how equatorial mounts work.

[@dudono1744]

You mean the crazy stuff that oceans do near the equator ? I forgot what's the reason it happens on a globe.

[@asterix7842]

I spent a few days in Leningrad in June 1989, and experienced a close-to-24-hour sun.

[@nekowolf583]

What's the weather like in that location? I'm worried that any cloud cover, even a single cloud, will "disprove" the 24 hour sun for them.

[@peteskyrunner4845]

Cloud over Antarctica is rare.

[@edby263]

@@peteskyrunner4845 Not quite. On the coastline it is quite frequent, but decreases as you go inland. Union Glacier is well inland

[@kernicterus1233]

It's like a desert, in high summer, with little to no moisture. If there are any clouds they'll probably be thin, and I think there are filters that can still 'see' the sun through them.

[@HansBezemer]

"It's reflection in the dome."

[@Rusminin]

I can't stop thinking how bizzare this is, being literally born in town that has polar days. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people live beyond the arctic circle and experience polar day every single year. How is this a contended issue? How do you still need to do an oddysey to try and convince some people? If you are, as you say, 'an inquisitive mind', you can probably arrange skype-calls to a 100 people during summer and see a 24-hour sun all you like. Hell, you can try and ask people to do 100 streams of a sun running in circles. Dan says it best - dear, oh dear.

[@just9911]

Because the North Pole is in the center of their flat earth model, they say the sun just makes tight circles around the pole. Since they don’t believe the South Pole is a location at all, it’s two separate ideas in their clusterfuck of a system.

[@Rusminin]

@@just9911 ...and then it dissapears for half a year? Wow, I think quantium mechanics was easier to understand than this. Thanks for the info, I've clearly underestimated how deep this logic hole goes.

[@andystokes8702]

It hasn't happened yet and I'm still not convinced that anybody from the flat side will actually go.

[@Abou47Pandas]

Yeah, I said this exact stuff in a previous video. It was either creakys or one of your videos, dan. The flat earth has nothing to do with flat earth if you break it down. It has to do with governments, being special, knowing something someone else doesn't, and ultimately being the underdog against the masses. You could literally put every flat earther on a space ship looking at the earth and once they all land... There will still be flat earthers.

[@blowc1612]

It all boils down to complete morons who are insecure about their stupidity. Thats why they will never say anything that they think they are wrong, will never admit they are wrong because in their delusions they think being wrong means you are dumb because they were wrong about basic school knowledge all their life.

[@Ostro1980]

The super religious flat earthers will never change. This is about something much deeper to them.

[@jerry2357]

When Jeran himself measured a curve in the documentary "Behind the Curve", all he could say was "interesting"... I don't expect any switching to reality by the flat Earth muppets.

[@dudono1744]

Actually, he got his math wrong so the measurement matched neither his flat earth prediction nor his globe earth prediction. In that regards, "interesting" is a pretty normal reaction.

[@Waniou137]

​@@dudono1744 You're not wrong but that's a bit of a cop out by him. His experiment completely disproved the flat earth and if you ignore the mathematical error he made, all he did was show the size of the globe is wrong, not that it isn't a globe.

[@bobiboulon]

Well, some of them already tried to come up with excuses for the 24h sun in antartica. And some pretended they don't need an explanation, that they don't even have to have a working model. It's strange, it's like they already know, deep down in their brains, that the observation won't be what they hope for, but they still remain in denial.

[@mattstanford9673]

Given how quick the FE community was to throw Jeran under the bus just by accepting the invite, I think it's safe to say we can guess what direction it's going to go.

[@mattstanford9673]

I doubt it, but I hope Jeran becomes another Ranty. It's crazy enough to think that people still think the earth is flat in 2024, but it's even crazier to think that after witnessing something that is impossible on your model, on top of being ostracized by your community, you still maintain that the earth is flat.

[@DanDaMen]

@@mattstanford9673 oh, but a lot flerfs apparently claim that the Gleason map is not there model anymore. Of course since TFE was announced 😂

[@dudono1744]

Respects to Jeran for doing the experiment, even more respects if he accepts the results.

[@robinvince616]

The media outlets need to be informed BEFORE the event. Maybe they could even join in and film it for a documentary, making it even more difficult for the Flerfs to lie about what actually occurs.

[@ColinWatters]

They are already claiming the 24 hours sun will be produced by a "sun simulator" whatever that is.

[@BlackGuardXIII]

It’s a real thing, used in labs. A bit too small to light up the whole earth.

[@Geekzilla84]

They've already proved themselves wrong on numerous occasions. Nothing is going to change their minds.

[@Katarn84]

Jeran will probably report his findings. As per Witsitt, he will surely lie and try and fail at avoiding the truth as long as he lives. IF he doesn't bail out at the last moment.

[@mehallica666]

I think Jeran is planning to use this opportunity to switch sides.

[@curbotize]

​@@mehallica666I think so too.

[@simond.455]

@@mehallica666 Good for him, and I mean that. 😸

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

@@mehallica666 I wouldn't say planning, but he has been in denial for so long that TFE probably will break him. I consider Jeran a real flerf as oposed to most others who are just troling or grifting.

[@eternalflame84]

They will justify the 24 hours Sun by saying that they're not in Antarctica. 💯

[@luchagain3424]

Sure, when I walk around the neighborhood talking out loud by myself I’m labeled as a loon.

[@suzannepottsshorts]

But do you have a selfie stick!?

[@luchagain3424]

@@suzannepottsshorts yeah but no phone/ camera. 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

[@roytee3127]

The first time my brother a psych counselor, saw someone talking to no one, he first thought they were psychotic. Then he realized they were talking hands-free on a cell phone.

[@luchagain3424]

@@roytee3127 yeah. Maybe it doesn’t look funny to the younger generation. But at my ripe age of 53, earbuds are not the first thing I think when I see somebody talking to themselves. 😂

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

@@luchagain3424 _"....earbuds are not the first thing I think...."_ Neither did an entire department when I walked into a large open office 20 years ago.

[@DW-indeed]

If they're true believers and not grifting, they will look in the distance and see their "ice wall" in some ice formation, feel compelled to go towards it to see the edge of the world, then freeze to death.

[@45rpm.]

Does the sky in Antactica tend to be clear at that time of year? A cloudy sky could throw a spanner in the works.

[@morrisjvan]

You will still be able to see the daylight, if it's cloudy during the summer daylight hours in what ever country you are in, you can still tell if it's day or night?

[@DrDaveW]

They will say that just like pilots, the government, explorers, and NASA, that Will Duffy is complicit.

[@tombales8538]

Flat earthers seem to have many similarities with some political pundits.😊

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Same Demographic for sure. Wrong side of the bell curve.

[@keyem4504]

I predict that we will hear a lot of what they already use: "We don't know yet, but of course your explanation is wrong." My Operation Research professor once said: "People will rather accept that they can't solve a problem than they will accept a solution they don't understand." And that's what's happening here.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

21 flatturd butts have been *SERIOUSLY HURT* by this video, so far :) .

[@Lassisvulgaris]

Pharmasies will run out of gel.....

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@Lassisvulgaris Yup. Too many sore flurphs - - and not enough gel to go around ;) . Edit: FFS FascistTube, STOP hiding my replies!

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@Lassisvulgaris Yup :) .

[@17Blower]

Its a pointless waste of time and money, They will either make up excuses for what happens, Say its fake or simply ignore it ever happened and they'll carry on as normal

[@DharricRolyat]

If your living relies on your disbelief, all the evidence in the world won't persuade you to believe. They're grifters. You're way too polite to say it, but it's true. The excuses have already started; other people have covered it on their channels. Some will see it and it might cause a few to see sense. Too many will hang on with whatever the loudest voices say.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Unless you are a keen Antarctic Explorer, its not worth wasting another second on theses absolute fwits. The only reason I watch flat-debunkers, is that I learn so much about science and physics. Its like doing puzzles, just for the sheer pleasure of the challenge.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Will paid for both Witsit and Jeran. Neither have shown an ounce of gratitude, and have only made demands. Par for the course for self entitled flerfs though, innit.

[@jetplaneflyer]

I'm still stunned that Jeran and Whitsitt have signed up to go (especially Whitsitt). Apparently they have signed a contract with a clause that means they would have to pay for the trip if they pull out without good reason, if not for that I'd be sure they would pull out at last minute. Based on Whitsitt's recent output it looks like he's already moving his content away from flat earth over to geocentricism.

[@Bearded-Logic]

First time I was this early, Reagan was president.

[@rapid13]

Ahhh…way back when people on opposing sides of an issue could still be civil to each other. Good times!

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Reagan, the actor? And who was the vice? Jerry Lewis?

[@JoeyJoe-JoeJrShabadoo]

Reagan? The guy that was afraid of an educated proletariat?

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

@@rogeriopenna9014 This is heavy.

[@KornPop96]

​@@JoeyJoe-JoeJrShabadoo extraordinary unhinged take.

[@khandimahn9687]

A large portion of the flerf community have already turned on Jeran and Witsit, calling them sell-outs and such.

[@suferick778]

Jeran's reaction: "Interesting"

[@SMcCruz]

They've been coming up with excuses since it was announced. Either it's going to be the "it's a Sun simulator" or the "there are several local suns". Those are the ones I've been seeing the most already.

[@thedarkknight1971]

There's ONE OF TWO THINGS that will be seen in this experiment... A - IF the Earth is flat and the Sun is closer to the Earth (under the dome), THEN... The observers, will be able to STAND IN ONE SPOT & face in ONE direction (facing NORTH) and WILL see the Sun moving in a shallow but wide loop (IF observed over a 7 x 24 hour period), going left to right to left to right to left etc etc etc as the Sun goes around the flat Earth going further away and then closer and then further away etc etc (from the observers SOUTHERN MOST point of view)... Or B - IF the Earth is a globe (as it REALLY, TRULY AND FACTUALLY IS), the observers standing in ONE SPOT WILL HAVE TO turn around AND around AND around 7 x 360 degrees to follow the Sun as it tracks around the observers point of view in a shallow wave pattern lowering and then raising and then loweringand then raising etc etc as it circles the observers... Now... ANY advanced guesses as to WHICH of these TWO scenarios will be experienced? 😏🤣🤣🤣 😎🇬🇧

[@fastone371]

The 13 downvotes is a clue as to what flerfs will say. "It is simply the sun reflecting off of the dome that covers our snow globe like world".

[@fruit3193]

The only way a 24-hour Sun works on a flat earth is if everywhere on the planet always had a 24-hour Sun, regardless of time of year. Obviously, that’s not what we experience.

[@NickHand-c9l]

Ostracized from the Flat Earth community? Dear God, what a catastrophic development in a person's life.

[@thomaseveritt3605]

Every job interview should begin with, "Do you believe that the Earth is flat?"😂

[@coyotezee]

While they are there, I hope folks will have time to talk to other people at the glacier and find out how many of them have been in the 24 hour sun before. There are thousands of people who have been to the area each year, some scientists, some mountain climbers, some tourists. I hope some of them can be convinced to be interviewed about their experiences, maybe setting up a channel specifically to interview people who have been in the 24 hours sun. It will point out how absurd the idea that there is a grand conspiracy to hide the true shape of the earth, as if anyone could hide such a thing from the scientific community.

[@ColinWatters]

Important: They need to obvserve the sun ON THE WAY to Antarctica. For example south of the equator it appears to move around you in the anticlockwise direction.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

Thanks Dan. The flerfing won't stop.

[@effess8698]

It would be nice to go on a trip to Antarctica but I don't know why they are calling it "The Final Experiment" The final experiments that prove this planet is a globe were done centuries ago...

[@Rev03FFL]

In the FE model the sun never actually sets anywhere on Earth. It only “appears” to set because of obscure atmospheric conditions and perspective. So just claim those conditions don’t exist in Antarctica. Problem solved - partially. They cannot explain why the sun appears to go 360 degrees around the viewer, especially to the south. No FE model can do that. The globe side needs to emphasize it isn’t just about setting, it’s about the sun’s movement.

[@marvinko6610]

At this point I'm really invested because of Jeran. He's been the only one being definitive in his statements. I expect every flat earther out there to not change their mind but to change their perception of reality. But I wonder what Jeran will do after coming home and sleeping about what happened on the trip

[@hallvardpaulsen]

On a flat earth there should be a 24-hour sun all over the world all the time. I have never seen any debunking of this.

[@Kanoeokalani]

Love the scenery during your walks!!!

[@LyingTube]

I think it's a reasonable assumption that a population of people who hold to an irrational belief in spite of ample evidence will not change their belief based on new contradictory evidence.

[@GlockFanBoy94045]

Now they all think there is more then one sun, they way there they can explain away the results and continue on with the grift. I wish CC was going to Antarctica, he’s my favorite flater!

[@murph8411]

I don’t think witsit will admit he saw it publicly.

[@davehoward22]

If they can deny thousands of years of knowledge about the planets shape,,saying a couple of dozen people are lying is nothing.

[@SuperElg321]

Hi SciManDan, love your stuff. I have been in touch with Will Duffy. I am gonna film the sun at the same time here in Norway were I live, so people can see that it is SAME sun they see down there. Sunfilter on and so they see the same sunspots as Dave McKeegan records so they can't say it is a "sunsim or whatever". 14-18 des I will film from sunrise to sunset. Takes about 7 hours here. Hpe I can, have 5 camers, so hope it goes well ;P

[@PeterLGଈ]

Jeran is already being dismissed by the flat earth community as a turncoat, simply because he has stated that a 24-hour sun will end all extant flat earth models.

[@RustyWalker]

So, with the paperweight demo, the Sun's gone to being outside the dome? Don't expect consistency from a flerf.

[@TheOwlman]

Nothing will change. In the past, according to flerfdom, no-one was allowed to go below 80 degrees because of a treaty and a 24 hour sun wouldn't happen. In the run up to trip they have shut up about the treaty and a 24 hour sun proves nothing, that and the "it isn't an experiment" defence. The hemisphere of highly refractive glass was hilarious, yet another _theory_ that would contradict several other of their _theories._ All desperate measures to keep the grift rolling along.

[@JoeBob79569]

The ironic thing is that on a flat Earth you should actually see a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, and everywhere else on the Earth too. But the flatearthers needed to find ways to avoid a 24 hour sun in the rest of the world, so they are basically arguing against their own made up excuses.. 🤣 But of course a 24 hour sun in Antarctica on a flat Earth would just move from right to left and back to right again every day.

[@erickent3557]

This whole "final experiment" might as well be the Monty Python sketch of the expedition to climb the north face of Uxbridge road... Anyways, not sure the flerf adventurers are ready to admit the earth is a globe from the 24-hour sun. Haven't they already started hinting their remaining evidence is strong enough to keep them convinced, and/or the "I never said a 24-hour sun invalidates flat earth..."?

[@bloodnthuner]

This wont change anything for the flat earth community. They have been already been given a preponderance of evidence that proves them wrong, yet still most stubbornly stick to their ideology. This will be no different.

[@RainCountryHomestead]

I too am really looking forward to it but also quite curious about the excuses that will be created as to the 24-hour sun. It will be irrefutable once it is seen but we have also seen how irrefutable evidence of a globe earth is either ignored or some crazy magical reason is created as to how it can work on a flat earth

[@dongee1664]

There is already a video of the 24 hour sun in Antarctica. How much difference has that made? Personally I shudder when I think of the good causes that the money spent on this could have gone to. Instead they are attempting to convince the unconvincable of proven reality. Makes me quite sad.

[@misterjoerg8086]

24h sun: "That doesn´t mean anything!" A single cloud during 24h: "See? I told ya, da erf am phlatt!" And the goalposts will be put on wheels, to accomodate for backpain.

[@joerichardson4325]

Solar filter on camera- Dave McKeegan. Cloud issue eliminated.

[@qwertz1965]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if no one from the flat earthlings travelled with.