My Intro to Group Tuning & Why I Think it Works

I really have had a hard time understanding Group Tuning & Torque Tuning for so long (and still do sometimes) but I think I'm onto something with the "why" portion of both methods. Ultimately its just my theory but what I'm about to explain in the next couple videos is the best explanation that I have ever heard anyone give regarding the topic. the reasonings behind it.
#archery #shooting #grouptuning #tuning

[@dustinroberts3403]

I love all the tuning and tips and tricks videos you do!

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Thank you Dustin! I'm glad!

[@328am]

I would love to see you shoot but give us a voice over/commentary in post. Whether or not it's live or in post, I'd love to watch and learn.

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

I will work on getting something out in the next couple months

[@waynestevenson9613]

Hey Gus! Great stuff! I’ve done this out to 60 (and sometimes 80) yds, moving back and forth from 1 arrow at 3 to 6 arrows at 60 yds. Tweaking my sight at the close distance every time on a piece of perfectly plumb 1” electrical tape. I shoot a BowTech; so I have the luxury to leave my rest at 13/16” and if I’m hitting left I tweak my cams slightly left which would mean I’m moving my rest right in essence. This only takes MICRO! adjustments to make a Major Effect! This is done after torque tuning and a perfect paper tune has been achieved; And, I promise your paper tune will not be the same after (for me slightly left - half shaft and slightly high - half shaft) but it doesn’t matter to me because it will be so much more forgiving. Some people call it walk-back 🤷🏽‍♂️ I call it tweaking your center shot! All I know is it really matters on the longer shots. This will work on Horizontal grouping as well but if you start with a good paper tear at 5 yds it doesn’t seem to be as critical as your vertical tune.

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Thank you Wayne! Very interesting stuff you mentioned here. I'll look into some of it! Thanks for all your support man!

[@rogermoss6246]

Great video.lots of work.

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Thank you! Yes it is! 🙂

[@yvantomac9502]

As always great info Angus :D

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Thanks friend!

[@zhickman338]

Would love to see another video.

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Sounds good I'll try to get something up in a couple months

[@chrisroman5631]

Definitely would like the shoot a long tutorial

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Ill do my best to get something out in a couple months!

[@brandonmcdonald6121]

Subbed

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

You're the man bro! Thanks!

[@jackbuendgen389]

I'd love to see a longer video

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

I will work on it!

[@bs081502bs]

I’m definitely all for a shoot/adjustment video. I’ve never delved into group tuning much; only torque tuning.

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

I'll get something together

[@stephenswansonjr1377]

A shoot along would be awesome!

[@nathenwallis5664]

Id definitely like to see an adjustment video on this.

[@gavinbensutherland508]

Please do archery videos , from a Zimbabwean archer

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

Almost there!

[@racin11ry]

Just did this with my hunting bow…. Perfect hole at closest I could get to paper…. Straight right at 8 feet (worst tear) then still straight right at 12 feet but better than at 8 feet

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

At some point it's going to have to correct it's right tear in flight. Maybe that's 20 ft for you. And it won't just stop there, it should go left after that and then continue to repeat the process decreasing its left and right movement with each pass until it fully stabilizes. So with that, what's the best distance you can paper tune at to trust the paper tune 100%? That's the real question. Is it as close as you can get to the paper and get a bullet hole? Or should you keep walking backwards until you walk your tear into a bullet hole? Who truly knows..

[@racin11ry]

Yeah I’m learning that very thing right now. I’m working with a pse evoke 35. Today I shot at our indoor range and had really good groups at 40 yards ( all three arrows in 5 spot x) but then at 20 was all over the 9 and 10 ring on a Vegas face… that got me thinking pretty hard so right now I’m in the middle of an experiment. Bow had ata 1/4 over 35 but cam rotation marks were where the factory says the should be. That’s where I got the bullet hole.. right tear at 8 ft and right tear at 12 feet. So here’s what I did. I twisted up string and cables to maintain exact draw length but bring back ata spec to 35 and then shot the paper from same distances. Bam! Bullet hole right at paper… left tear at 8 feet and then left tear at 12 feet. So here’s my thinking. I will shoot groups tomorrow and see how it does. It’s either going to be better at those two distances or worse. My theory is if worse I can undo 1/2 of the twisting I did on strings and cables ( I took very good notes) and it should theoretically be the best setting for the bow. I didn’t move the rest at all while making all of these adjustments but man did I just learn a ton.

[@racin11ry]

Basically I took the bow from a right tear to a left tear just by twisting strings and cables not by shimming or moving rest. Makes some sense because I literally probably induced more cam lean by loading the cables but never thought of that as an adjustment to fine tune an evolve cam system. Have messed with Hoyt’s and yokes before so I do understand the concept but didn’t think it would be a factor on a pse

[@jasonnester9514]

So say your sighted in how do u know when it’s time to group tune or merely adjust your sight

[@ButcherBBQ]

On moving the rest, if your shooting an indoor game and your touching the 10 line. How much would you suggest starting with on moving the rest for the first time?

[@AngusMoss_Archery]

I don't understand the question

[@ButcherBBQ]

@@AngusMoss_Archery In you video you were saying you bump it towards the miss. What I'm asking is how far is your first move?

[@jasonnester9514]

Group tuning and moving the rest doesn’t that take bow outta tune