The follow along group tune sounds great. I've been wanting to try group tuning but I have no idea how to fully go about it. Been wanting someone to walk me through it
@RobertWBowersIIАй бұрын
I do pretty much the same thing, and I am primarily a bowhunter. I use my RAM tool to check the spine defection of a dozen shafts after they are cut to length and inserts installed. I mark the weak side of the arrow typically, then I shoot the bareshafts through paper at 6-7 feet out of a fairly tuned bow. If my bow is not tuned, you can't get good results, so I know I have to have it shooting down the middle before I start anything. Once I shoot each shaft through paper and get a bullet hole with that shaft, I re-mark it once again to the new nock position and erase the original mark. Then I fletch with my cock vane up to the new mark, then shoot through paper again after they are fletched to verify good flight/behavior. After this I typically go out and shoot groups at 20 yards to weed out any that might misbehave. I started doing this 15+ years ago and have pretty much effectively gotten rid of flyers and instead of having a dozen arrows where 4-5 might group while the rest have different POI's, I can get them all to group together. I normally can get at least 11 out of the 12 to hit the same spot every time. Great video and explanation. I hope more people find this video and can understand what you are doing and apply it their archery journey. I think it is well worth doing. Great job.
@GamesnArrowsАй бұрын
Nunzio is awesome
@chrisunruh6485Ай бұрын
I was told to start at the weak side of the shaft up because the arrow will start its dynamic bend at the weakest side of the arrow. It looks like most of the arrows are tuning from the weak side? I read your long reply to someone asking about bare shaft tuning. The reason I bare shaft is finding my center shot. I don’t change length of arrow or point weight. I move my rest or shim cams to get the fletched arrow and bare shaft arrow to hit together. It saves me on the number of times I have to shoot my broadhead into a target. I shoot fixed blades. So this is way more advanced than what I’m doing? You’re already perfect center shot and this is arrow tuning only? Why couldn’t I follow this step by step video but do it with a bare shaft with my arrow weak side up as my starting point? It would allow more than just 3 different knock positions is why I ask.
@48JFАй бұрын
I am recurve shooter. Continues score 9,2 at 18m and 8,7 on 70m. I agree with spine indexing (spine alignment measurement) when you shoot anything worse than easton ACE line. I watch at tournaments the compound shooters and have to say … Work on your form and mental side before …. 1.spine indexing + grouping weight +-0,25g. 2.bare shaft on 30m with 80cm spot…when everything is in the gold…number your arrow…analyse them with statistic apps 50shot/arrow and sort them out like they grouping and again …. work on you form and train harder… Paper tests are so last century…so many issues can cause a little slider worse flight trough the paper …at the end it counts where the arrow hit… so go to data=facts where the arrow (number) sit in the target…analyse with statistic app
@Fortyjustice2 ай бұрын
Interesting.
@gordonneverdies3 ай бұрын
This is super interesting. Gonna try tomorrow.
@lucadya3 ай бұрын
Doesn’t fire hurt the bow string 🤔
@fahlvfaust6773 ай бұрын
Use skinny (.166) arrows to make the target foam last longer. Maybe 3 to 4 years with over a thousand arrows; the thinner the arrow, the less damage to the foam target.
@user-vt2lr5qx6r3 ай бұрын
What is your draw length, draw weight, arrow weight and point weight? Just curious what the actual spine chart would call for on your setup and how far you deviated from the recommendation.
@4thholebridge3 ай бұрын
City Zoo 😮
@4thholebridge3 ай бұрын
Copy cat 😂
@4thholebridge3 ай бұрын
What brand string? How often if at all do you wax it? After that many arrows how often does it become necessary to twist the string? Move the peep ? Thanks
@nathenwallis56643 ай бұрын
Id definitely like to see an adjustment video on this.
@jasonnester95144 ай бұрын
So say your sighted in how do u know when it’s time to group tune or merely adjust your sight
@jasonnester95144 ай бұрын
Group tuning and moving the rest doesn’t that take bow outta tune
@TORREX-A.D.4 ай бұрын
I'm having a problem with the bcy string not mushrooming good
@clintskeens4 ай бұрын
I'm just curious what you use the binos for while doing this??😂😂 Great video
@corneldutoit94894 ай бұрын
What do you mean by Forgiving??
@tonyviers-de9qi5 ай бұрын
I didn’t notice a difference. Looked like all arrows were hitting left
@tonyviers-de9qi5 ай бұрын
What am i looking for in the way everything feels at full draw as it pertains to a dloop that is 1/2” versus a loop that is say an inch long
@SanAntonioUte5 ай бұрын
To sight in your top pin, why not just get an exact measurement from your two marks on the tape, then measure that same distance to set your top pin, since you've already sighted in the bottom pin? This should set your top pin perfectly at whatever the top mark was shot at. The distance between the bottom and top pin should be identical to the distance between the top and bottom marks that were created. You could always use the metal yardage tape as the measuring guide once you found the correct one that matched the 20 & 60 to the top and bottom marks. Hold the metal tape on the bottom pin with your hand, and move the top pin up to the 20 mark.
@SanAntonioUte5 ай бұрын
Come to think of it, you could get your middle pins really close by using that same tape and holding it to the pins so the 20 & 60 marks line up with the top & bottom pins once they're set, then move the middle pins to the 30, 40, & 50. Once you've set them all, then install the tape to the slider.
@alannavance27155 ай бұрын
I didnt watch this for arrow weight choices.
@tonyviers-de9qi5 ай бұрын
Great job !
@johnnewcomb51625 ай бұрын
Great info and video, thanks for sharing.
@VnBsKrK745 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣 ok. 🤦♂️
@stephenswansonjr13776 ай бұрын
A shoot along would be awesome!
@dtumanoffdimas70896 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@chrississon26467 ай бұрын
🏹>>>>>>>🎯
@jkgkjgkijk7 ай бұрын
Put up an affiliate link for the index tool. I need one
@paulbassette60137 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the videos you’ve put out. I’m always trying to learn more about tuning and shooting. Thank you
@fenf7777 ай бұрын
You look alike Chris Bee but a beefier version of him
@user-ex6fg4hi3i7 ай бұрын
I leave about 1/8" space.
@hoganfan20067 ай бұрын
I like the idea of keeping the effective brace height. Is a 9” bar preferred over 6” bar for this kind of tuning?
@dankozel1947 ай бұрын
I really enjoy the content and look forward to more videos to continue to learn new things. Liked, subscribed, shared!
@bs081502bs8 ай бұрын
I’m definitely all for a shoot/adjustment video. I’ve never delved into group tuning much; only torque tuning.
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
I'll get something together
@ButcherBBQ8 ай бұрын
On moving the rest, if your shooting an indoor game and your touching the 10 line. How much would you suggest starting with on moving the rest for the first time?
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
I don't understand the question
@ButcherBBQ8 ай бұрын
@@AngusMoss_Archery In you video you were saying you bump it towards the miss. What I'm asking is how far is your first move?
@dustinroberts34038 ай бұрын
I love all the tuning and tips and tricks videos you do!
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Thank you Dustin! I'm glad!
@jackbuendgen3898 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a longer video
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
I will work on it!
@zhickman3388 ай бұрын
Would love to see another video.
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Sounds good I'll try to get something up in a couple months
@chrississon26468 ай бұрын
Liked , subscribed , shared to Facebook , hunting with some Q2i vanes . Thanks for the chance, Chris Sisson
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Thanks Chris I got you
@brandonmcdonald61218 ай бұрын
Subbed
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
You're the man bro! Thanks!
@rogermoss62468 ай бұрын
Great video.lots of work.
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yes it is! 🙂
@racin11ry8 ай бұрын
Just did this with my hunting bow…. Perfect hole at closest I could get to paper…. Straight right at 8 feet (worst tear) then still straight right at 12 feet but better than at 8 feet
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
At some point it's going to have to correct it's right tear in flight. Maybe that's 20 ft for you. And it won't just stop there, it should go left after that and then continue to repeat the process decreasing its left and right movement with each pass until it fully stabilizes. So with that, what's the best distance you can paper tune at to trust the paper tune 100%? That's the real question. Is it as close as you can get to the paper and get a bullet hole? Or should you keep walking backwards until you walk your tear into a bullet hole? Who truly knows..
@racin11ry8 ай бұрын
Yeah I’m learning that very thing right now. I’m working with a pse evoke 35. Today I shot at our indoor range and had really good groups at 40 yards ( all three arrows in 5 spot x) but then at 20 was all over the 9 and 10 ring on a Vegas face… that got me thinking pretty hard so right now I’m in the middle of an experiment. Bow had ata 1/4 over 35 but cam rotation marks were where the factory says the should be. That’s where I got the bullet hole.. right tear at 8 ft and right tear at 12 feet. So here’s what I did. I twisted up string and cables to maintain exact draw length but bring back ata spec to 35 and then shot the paper from same distances. Bam! Bullet hole right at paper… left tear at 8 feet and then left tear at 12 feet. So here’s my thinking. I will shoot groups tomorrow and see how it does. It’s either going to be better at those two distances or worse. My theory is if worse I can undo 1/2 of the twisting I did on strings and cables ( I took very good notes) and it should theoretically be the best setting for the bow. I didn’t move the rest at all while making all of these adjustments but man did I just learn a ton.
@racin11ry8 ай бұрын
Basically I took the bow from a right tear to a left tear just by twisting strings and cables not by shimming or moving rest. Makes some sense because I literally probably induced more cam lean by loading the cables but never thought of that as an adjustment to fine tune an evolve cam system. Have messed with Hoyt’s and yokes before so I do understand the concept but didn’t think it would be a factor on a pse
@waynestevenson96138 ай бұрын
Hey Gus! Great stuff! I’ve done this out to 60 (and sometimes 80) yds, moving back and forth from 1 arrow at 3 to 6 arrows at 60 yds. Tweaking my sight at the close distance every time on a piece of perfectly plumb 1” electrical tape. I shoot a BowTech; so I have the luxury to leave my rest at 13/16” and if I’m hitting left I tweak my cams slightly left which would mean I’m moving my rest right in essence. This only takes MICRO! adjustments to make a Major Effect! This is done after torque tuning and a perfect paper tune has been achieved; And, I promise your paper tune will not be the same after (for me slightly left - half shaft and slightly high - half shaft) but it doesn’t matter to me because it will be so much more forgiving. Some people call it walk-back 🤷🏽♂️ I call it tweaking your center shot! All I know is it really matters on the longer shots. This will work on Horizontal grouping as well but if you start with a good paper tear at 5 yds it doesn’t seem to be as critical as your vertical tune.
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Thank you Wayne! Very interesting stuff you mentioned here. I'll look into some of it! Thanks for all your support man!
@yvantomac95028 ай бұрын
As always great info Angus :D
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Thanks friend!
@328am8 ай бұрын
I would love to see you shoot but give us a voice over/commentary in post. Whether or not it's live or in post, I'd love to watch and learn.
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
I will work on getting something out in the next couple months
@chrisroman56318 ай бұрын
Definitely would like the shoot a long tutorial
@AngusMoss_Archery8 ай бұрын
Ill do my best to get something out in a couple months!