My Modern Cable Railing Stair Disaster - How NOT to Set Metal Stair Posts

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Insider Carpentry - Spencer Lewis

Insider Carpentry - Spencer Lewis

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@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
There were a lot of limiting factors starting out on this install that really limit your ability to adjust things. First off was code requirement for the 6" sphere under the bottom cable, that meant my intermediate posts and bottom landing post could only be pushed up so far forward towards the nosing or the bottom cable would be too high and not pass code. Next issue was handrail height, I actually had the handrail as low as I was comfortable with meeting code, so I couldn't move my posts backward as it would drop the handrail too far or the bottom cable would hit the nosing. So I couldn't go forward, and I couldn't go backward. The posts pretty much had to be where they were at. On the top rake post I had to skip the bottom cable hole, which was fine, otherwise it would have been way back into the loft area and looked really weird with the balcony rail section. With this system you have to shift your mindset, whereas normally its best to start with your handrail height and visualize from that, you can't do that here, its your bottom cable that is the critical issue. The bottom cable has to pass code and all posts have to be in plane so that the cable passes through straight as it matches the rake angle. As long as you know your bottom cable is straight, and you will be ok with your handrail height, you have to make up for the other layout issues in your uprisings and odd return pieces like I did at the bottom. Its the only way to make it work because you are essentially locked into a 1-2" area on the tread where your posts have to be positioned in order to hit handrail height code, and 6" sphere code under the bottom cable. It is really a pain. Add to that the fact that an inspector can come along and pull the cables apart and fail you if you don't meet the 4" and 6" sphere tests, lets just say I'm not in a hurry to do cable railing systems. The other issue is OVER TENSIONING the cables which is easy to do. This can bow your posts, or break your handrail fittings from the pressure... So many layout issues, so many limitations, and so many possible code compliance problems...
@roscoejones4515
@roscoejones4515 4 жыл бұрын
I was just about to write that you couls move the newels 'up' or the intermediate posts 'down' to adjust thei height relative to the handrail, but I see what you mean about the lower cable needing to be as close to the tread nose as possible. I'm glad you didn't stick with the blocks, looked like what it was, a kludge. Nice job, you did great.
@dh66
@dh66 4 жыл бұрын
Cable rail systems look different and slick but in practice, they don't meet code. The purpose of the codes are to prevent a toddler from getting caught up in it or falling through, which these stupid cable systems never pass. All inspectors should be failing these systems outright, they just don't properly substitute vertical balusters. They are just a bad idea IMO.
@adamsower
@adamsower 4 жыл бұрын
Next time think about hiring a good local metal fabricator to make your posts. Good job it looks good
@danwimmer
@danwimmer 4 жыл бұрын
I work/sell custom made stainless steel cable railing systems. Something that is going on custom stairs shouldn't have to be modified/swapped/moved around till it fits or anything else you did in your video. Let's talk soon.
@davidceremony990
@davidceremony990 4 жыл бұрын
@@AV036 This was explained later in the video and corrected as shown here 16:27
@russellnentwich8745
@russellnentwich8745 4 жыл бұрын
You are the finish carpenter everyone hopes they get. The one who care more about his conscience than his wallet. Great work sir looks beautiful!
@scottwilson4347
@scottwilson4347 Жыл бұрын
100% agree..a lot of people can do what Spencer does but they don’t..but he seems to care & that’s lost anymore..I tell people all the time I’m not better than alot of carpenters I just care..your name spreads quick in this small genre..my dad always said if you can’t do it right then don’t do it at all
@philiphurdwell3443
@philiphurdwell3443 4 жыл бұрын
I take my hat off to your honesty and integrity. We are all human!
@Danwynne
@Danwynne 4 жыл бұрын
What a nightmare, seems like you were completely screwed over by the manufacturer of the handrail kit. Good on you for having the humility to show your “mistake” and how you fixed it. The end result looks great as always. Keep up the good work!
@keithbyrne4872
@keithbyrne4872 4 жыл бұрын
Wasnt screwed over thats the design of them you cant just alter angles when there is specific holes and pivot points
@13daniel1974
@13daniel1974 4 жыл бұрын
For sure a poor design that the company could fix on production
@13daniel1974
@13daniel1974 4 жыл бұрын
@@keithbyrne4872 I agree with you, but the company obviously knows this is a problem and could include a little better instructions. They should include the sketch that he got after he called and they sent it. Something like this is enough to make a person use another product the next time...especially after wasting a whole day that could be fixed with a small piece of paper
@jeffreylonigro1382
@jeffreylonigro1382 4 жыл бұрын
Carpenter/furniture-maker/handyman here with 35 years experience. Now these are the kinds of videos I love where I can actually learn something. Thanks for having the humility to share: excellent video.
@wilkinsoncarpentry6278
@wilkinsoncarpentry6278 4 жыл бұрын
If you couldn’t get it straight away, I don’t think many could , thanks for sharing this with everyone mate 👌 it’s teaching everyone to persist with these type of situations, not just handrails
@andylopez3763
@andylopez3763 4 жыл бұрын
You know what makes any master carpenter or any master technician get better at what he or she does is To be able to fix the Mistakes he make and never be detected by the Home owner. Like creating an illusion where the eye is tricked into not seeing the finished product. Bravo my friend you just made an illusion.
@jeffwarner5492
@jeffwarner5492 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always heard that it’s not a mistake until you walk away from it. Great job! Col. 3:23.
@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
That's some wisdom right there.
@rogerhargreaves7726
@rogerhargreaves7726 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This one brief comment completely changed my prospective on mistakes that I make. On Friday I made a mistake that I could probably get away with but all day Saturday I felt bad until I decided to rip it out on Monday and redo it. I will not get paid Monday but I now feel good!
@40redfox40
@40redfox40 3 жыл бұрын
What a skilled professional! Dude, total respect for what you did there. I knew when you said one option was to put spacers on top of the two posts it was NOT going to look good. I think you probably knew that too but it wasn't until you saw it that you decided you couldn't sign off on that. Just like another comment someone made, you are the guy everyone hopes they hire. It cost you a day of labor but saved you your reputation and expanded your knowledge and experience. GREAT WORK.
@joshinnc9882
@joshinnc9882 4 жыл бұрын
The important thing is that you stuck with it, kept analyzing the situation and was willing to re-do work at possibly your expense to make it perfect. That’s an admirable and increasingly rare trait. I’ve seen too many people leave their jobs with problems with the final detail because they either can’t see that there are cosmetic or code compliance issues, or don’t care. The little time you lost on rework is nothing compared to the long term benefit of maintaining a reputation for quality work. Well done and thanks for sharing
@pinnacleroofing9841
@pinnacleroofing9841 4 жыл бұрын
Dude! I LOVE your integrity and quality mindset. Too many people say "eh, it's good enough", not you my friend, what a great craftsman!
@steveodonnell6533
@steveodonnell6533 3 жыл бұрын
Spencer I have been doing carpentry for 33 years and interior stairs for over 15 years...I am not easily impressed. You impressed me. Great work ethic and fantastic job in the end.
@mchilly
@mchilly 4 жыл бұрын
The final product looks great! Carpentry is all about problem solving and you sir are a master. A few months ago, I did some cable railing and what helped me avoid some of these issues was that I fabricated my own metal posts and drilled them on-site. It was a royal pain but after careful measuring and making a drilling jig, it came out nice.
@RobertBarth1
@RobertBarth1 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that you took the time to redo it twice to get it right. Testament to your character and work ethic. I hope the homeowner appreciates the work.
@stephenbyrne4370
@stephenbyrne4370 3 жыл бұрын
Well done man! That's the difference with a real tradesman, a real teacher, showing the weakness the process of improving and not pretending to know it all. Fair play
@andrewsmith-pr1ml
@andrewsmith-pr1ml 4 жыл бұрын
I was seeing those blocks and thinking he’s not gonna leave those! Good call.
@timothyjones5481
@timothyjones5481 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for willing to let us learn from your trial. Most guys would have hidden the first two steps and gone straight to the final product. THANK YOU
@shutupdog11
@shutupdog11 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx man !!! The shim or shims will be used on my interior if I have to . Great video and I watched twice to remember everything. Well Done 👏 ✔
@abpena50
@abpena50 4 жыл бұрын
I applaud you for your persistence. I've seen many people start throwing thing around and getting mad. But, you thought it out till you came up with the right conclusion. I also admire you for showing your mistake, many people would not do that because their pride would not let them. But, you learn from your mistakes. This way you show others and help others as to what to look for. Great job. Keep up the good work.
@jackdotzman2908
@jackdotzman2908 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not a professional like you, as a diy type who does what ever is necessary to achieve your level of quality I wrestled with several flights of stairs and encountered similar issues. Stairs, to me, have been extremely difficult to figure out. We gotter done but oh how frustrating. Thanks for your honesty and sharing your learning experience. Wish there were more skilled craftsmen like you. God bless you. From Missouri.
@gravey07
@gravey07 4 жыл бұрын
Just watched this. Well done for 1. spotting the issues 2. Working out what to do to correct them and 3 actually carrying out the corrections! Think how many would’ve walked away and left it incorrect. Top work from a true professional! Thanks for sharing.
@bradrco
@bradrco 4 жыл бұрын
I applaud you for your tenacity and I am happy to see a lot of positive reviews from everyone. This project would eat the best of us no matter how experienced. This tutorial will save as a lot of heartache. Be blessed my friend and keep up the good work.
@heystarfish100
@heystarfish100 4 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of the problem and correction is perfect as is the final completion. That hand rail company owes you big time for your work in producing the video
@jdawes4403
@jdawes4403 4 жыл бұрын
“Transition” and “pivot points” are two phrases that I will carry in my toolbox from here forward, thanks to you Spencer. What a great lesson you taught me. I’ve done tons of wood stairs and railings and grappled with these concepts but only used my eye to tell me if it’s right. Now I understand the logic and geometry of it! I hope you have a prosperous and Happy New Year - Jay Dawes
@rohw0016
@rohw0016 4 жыл бұрын
I applaud your effort. seriously. its the difference between a craftsman/artisan and your average joe who would have just left it. I wish more carpenters were like you.
@bobbycrowe5
@bobbycrowe5 Жыл бұрын
There’s not a contractor, much less a DIY guy like myself that hasn’t run across these kinds of confounding situations. So glad you stuck it out and fixed it properly. It looks fantastic. Awesome work 👍🏻
@rickw4160
@rickw4160 4 жыл бұрын
Nice fix. I didnt figure out what you were saying until I saw your solution. Then I realized its just a parallelagram. Doh! The little return at the beginning sets the angles so that they match each other. Thank you for showing us, I don't want to do this mistake myself!
@walterperrault
@walterperrault 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you These are the kind of videos that need to be made problems we encounter and problem-solving this happens to all of us at one time or another this is a mark of a true professional transparency
@mk1st
@mk1st 4 жыл бұрын
You could see right away that the two rails were not parallel which indicated there was some problem. Kudos on your patient diligence. It came out beautiful.
@skipgaynard4045
@skipgaynard4045 4 жыл бұрын
At 65 and doing finish carpentry, I had always wished I had apprenticed under an older master. But I made the mistakes myself and am still learning. Thanks for the great video and tips. As the saying goes, " Theres 10 techniques, and 10,000 tricks!" I'll keep watching. Stay busy.
@tcidevelopment5996
@tcidevelopment5996 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! People often underestimate the skill of contractors and all the years that we dedicate to perfecting the process. In the end we aren't just Builders or craftsman, we are problem solvers that constantly have to think outside the box to solve problems on the Fly and help the next generation of builders and craftsman learn and adapt to unforeseen issues. I've been building for over 40 years and every day is still a learning day. I appreciate you taking the time to make a video showing that we aren't just great at everything all the time. 👍
@tonyv1505
@tonyv1505 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're one of those guys who continue working on it until you get it right rather than those other guys who just say ah good enough
@tdmjfountain
@tdmjfountain 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being honest with your struggle here and providing an actual way to fix it. Top quality work and integrity. great job.
@InLaymansTermsPlease
@InLaymansTermsPlease 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you got rid of the blocks and took the time to figure out the correct way to do it. The blocks looked like a quick fix. Now at least you can walk away knowing it's installed the way it's supposed to be. Took extra time but great job sticking to your work ethics. The final product is what you will remember in the long run.
@Ratlins9
@Ratlins9 4 жыл бұрын
Your determination and integrity in performing flawless work tells me you are a highly skilled craftsman. Archimedes would have been proud of you solving this problem.
@jimk4267
@jimk4267 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. You didn't take the easy way out, you did it right. And by flattening out the start of the railing it greatly improves the look
@henrywinterbottomii3613
@henrywinterbottomii3613 4 жыл бұрын
During my apprenticeship over 30 years ago I was told "You'll make mistakes. That's how you learn." They were right. I made a lot of mistakes and I learned from every single one of them. You figured it out in the end and delivered a good product. Great job!
@josho4971
@josho4971 7 ай бұрын
Great guy to show mistakes , 25 year carpenter and I go to you on tips . I have a 11 step staircase Monday morning. Yeah buddy
@nononsenseBennett
@nononsenseBennett 4 жыл бұрын
Learning, however you do it, is not a waste of time. Takes a big man to do a video like this.
@georgebliss7674
@georgebliss7674 4 жыл бұрын
Around 19:00 minutes, you do air quotes around "directions" and I almost spit out my coffee. Having punished my brain cells over the course of several installs, I absolutely feel your pain. Keep up the good work
@marks9949
@marks9949 4 жыл бұрын
So much Chinese stuff like that. They just give you a picture- black and white- overshadowed- can't even distinguish layers. It is the epitome of throwing you in the deep end.
@user-oc6qs1po3j
@user-oc6qs1po3j 3 жыл бұрын
Its a American company out of Indiana. It's a super clean system. Cable bullet they have been good to me for sure
@dmert6698
@dmert6698 4 жыл бұрын
When you had the 7/8" blocks in i started laughing and yelling nooooo!!!!!! Glad you agree and took one in the self esteem and fixed it.
@wymershandymanservice9965
@wymershandymanservice9965 4 жыл бұрын
We all live and learn. But these lessons are never forgotten. Great content 👍 If you never made a mistake it’s because you have never done anything 😁.
@jameslynch8466
@jameslynch8466 4 жыл бұрын
Having the patience and ability to take it as a learning experience shows that you are a good tradesman. You saw it through to a proper result. Respect to you. Greetings from England
@davidlennox4934
@davidlennox4934 4 жыл бұрын
A true pro preserver, good to see you grinding thru. Great job. Ive been installing rails for 35 years. great to see you work
@morganplatt6762
@morganplatt6762 4 жыл бұрын
Hi buddy, I'm an engineering draughtsman and have designed hundreds of staircases, fire escapes etc. I always use Autocad as you can set everything out on screen and check the angles before site installation. You'd be amazed at the amount of carpenters who struggle with this kind of work, so I always provide detailed drawings which show exactly how to install them. Staircases and handrails are not as easy as people think to install and cause by far the most problems I have on site. Good video and a happy new year from England.
@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I agree. Going back I would have taken the time to layout this whole thing on sketchup beforehand.
@thadh4085
@thadh4085 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I watch videos. Thanks for putting this up so I know what to watch for.
@kenalexander3046
@kenalexander3046 3 жыл бұрын
You're a good man. Your integrity shows. Thanks for the video.
@jasonstiles3220
@jasonstiles3220 4 жыл бұрын
Feeling your pain. Thanks for sharing your experience. Takes a lot of patience to not only figure out the issue, but also share what you learned. You're a great teacher.
@russalbright4213
@russalbright4213 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding tutorial with that type of handrail! It was interesting to watch you discover the issue, and come up with various solutions. Kudos to you for showing the mistakes before showing the final solution. Great video!
@KITLEVEY
@KITLEVEY 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this nice man get beaten up by this situation and kept asking myself what company sold him this railing system without directions/explanations. You analyzed the problems as they presented themselves and kept me fascinated while it turned into a geometry problem for you. Very nice work! Then, "That, dumb little thing right there." turned out to solve everything and presto the geometric planets aligned and both sides match. Congratulations.
@0xigix0
@0xigix0 4 жыл бұрын
We learn all the time. But admit mistakes is the rare thing from any workmen’s. You are quality man ! This video will definitely help others!
@mikem1956
@mikem1956 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job hanging in there till you got it right . Thanks for sharing your mistakes. You have my respect.
@colincrooky
@colincrooky 4 жыл бұрын
Thinking on the hoof is what gives insight! Everyone learns by mistakes, although it wasn’t yours you made a better job than the original design. Well done and thank you.
@jeromewalton5553
@jeromewalton5553 4 жыл бұрын
That was a great example of how to work through your problems on site. As a remodeling contractor that is one of the most challenging aspects. You do fine work and it looks amazing despite the challenges.
@bradroberts6447
@bradroberts6447 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for redoing the added blocks. I never would have figured it out.
@JohnDoe-kp3sw
@JohnDoe-kp3sw 4 жыл бұрын
This man is very humble. The problem is brand new junk
@ChauNguyen-of3fs
@ChauNguyen-of3fs 4 жыл бұрын
wow thanks for sharing! That is a testament how the smallest detail can make a difference and what a true craftsman you are!
@Did625
@Did625 4 жыл бұрын
Looks great. Great explanation on problem/solution. You are in a class of elite for going the extra mile to get everything perfect
@micaheckenfels533
@micaheckenfels533 4 жыл бұрын
I have to say nice work! I applaud your humility to publish a video showing your mistakes. We recently went on an install of some custom cabinets we made in our shop and I had completely bombed the measurements. It resulted in having to modify cabinets on site, pay an electrician to move an outlet, and pay a plaster contractor to repair his finish! This things happen, but hopefully not very often. Keep up the good work!
@jamescampi50
@jamescampi50 4 жыл бұрын
I love the comment about things going so well early that you might even get cable run that day. I have been there many times over the last 40 years. Made me laugh. So true.
@ou8nucks630
@ou8nucks630 4 жыл бұрын
It never fails, does it. The ol "This shouldn't take too long " jinx.
@seanelgie
@seanelgie 4 жыл бұрын
That one hit home for sure. Lol.
@stich1960
@stich1960 4 жыл бұрын
It's pretty cool that you're confident enough in your abilities and ego in order to show these mistakes so that other folks can learn from them. Thanks.
@stich1960
@stich1960 4 жыл бұрын
Scared me for a minute when I thought you were going to leave the spacers, I have been there though. Looks much better now.
@zephyr1408
@zephyr1408 4 жыл бұрын
I would have left the spacers and been mighty proud of it? Obviously I have not arrived yet?
@stich1960
@stich1960 4 жыл бұрын
@@zephyr1408 It's definitely personal taste when it comes to style but I think it wrecked the clean modern lines. I'm not much of a designer but I imagine the designer and or the homeowner probably wouldnt like it.
@zephyr1408
@zephyr1408 4 жыл бұрын
U are 100% right!
@kiwdwks
@kiwdwks 4 жыл бұрын
We have all had a project like this. Thanks for sharing it. I'm sure it will help someone down the road. The tenacity to do it right is a great trait to have. The "school of hard knocks" can be very humbling but the lessons are invaluable. Wishing you continued success...
@hillcrestheights8292
@hillcrestheights8292 4 жыл бұрын
Been there..... Thanks for sharing that, we have all been there. I knew when I saw the spacers in there you could not leave it like that. That's why you are as gifted as you are, you don't settle.
@neild7971
@neild7971 4 жыл бұрын
If not for the short section, I would have been happy to leave the block spacers at that point 😄 (but with a routered/shaped edge)
@regroad73
@regroad73 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I’ve been through those issues all the time while learning to do that job, 1 year later, these little mistakes still happen, you won’t realize it until you’re about to finish 1 proyect and there’s something that won’t match properly , total frustration , but after the job is done and painted , is a very rewarding experience😁😁👍👍, makes you feel proud of your work
@jacobwilson3316
@jacobwilson3316 4 жыл бұрын
Education will always come at a cost! Absolutely love your integrity, spirit, and above all humility! Again......NICE work!
@billschultz3750
@billschultz3750 4 жыл бұрын
The flat returns at the bottom really brought it together
@lanceleavitt7472
@lanceleavitt7472 2 жыл бұрын
You can either buy experience or you can earn it. And you definitely eared it on this job. Job well done, your tenacity is inspiring. --- Thanks for the great lesson in building. ---
@Normambo
@Normambo 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic vid. This level of problem solving is what sets the higher skilled woodworker apart from the pack. I appreciated your perseverance on this one. As always, your attention to detail and your OCD towards woodworking makes you relentless in executing the best possible outcomes. Cheers! Norm from Montreal, Canada
@hugocedeno4435
@hugocedeno4435 2 жыл бұрын
Great job sticking it out and not giving up, speaks volumes of who you are 👍💪 thank you for sharing your lessons learned so well documented, I’m doing this for the first time in my own home that I just built so we’ll see how that goes.
@josephkulak
@josephkulak 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you have the patience and high standards to figure this out. Thanks for the tips.
@ScottyLo
@ScottyLo 4 жыл бұрын
Finished product looks great. All too often what looks simple turns out to be the most complicated thing to do. Thanks for sharing your trouble shooting video.
@45414
@45414 4 жыл бұрын
This video defines "grit". Great work Spencer. 👍
@leestone6059
@leestone6059 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight. Great video. Also good for you to make it right and not just say “good enough “.
@alienproductions9948
@alienproductions9948 4 жыл бұрын
Came out beautiful. I appreciate you sharing. That drawing they emailed needs to ship with the parts in printed form.
@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. At least give me a heads up so I know what to watch for...
@willh1827
@willh1827 4 жыл бұрын
Insider Carpentry I wonder why they don’t also offer intermediate posts that are 7/8” longer. Seems like they could Give two different looks without much effort.
@LACraftsmen
@LACraftsmen 4 жыл бұрын
I think bc the spacer would be different sizes based on the slope variations of the stairs. An adjustable post would be good.
@thinktwice2433
@thinktwice2433 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use end post as intermediate posts?
@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
@@thinktwice2433 Only if the posts holes on both sides were drilled offset at the angle of the rake.
@nathansilver9190
@nathansilver9190 4 жыл бұрын
Well done my friend, everyday is a learning experience....some days more than others. Keep it up, I love your channel. I'm a 30 + year veteran of the carpentry trade, and everyday is a new adventure.
@MrJackchap
@MrJackchap 4 жыл бұрын
Finished product looks great,hard lesson,we have all been there-kudos to you for seeing it thru.well done
@fcholman
@fcholman 3 жыл бұрын
I understand your pain. I'm installing cable rails for the first time, on 3 sets of stairs of different configurations. It's all finally working out nicely; but not without BS&T's.
@visionstofeel2508
@visionstofeel2508 2 жыл бұрын
You are a true installer!.. Didn’t think I’d watch the entire video but I did! And boy can I relate 😅 sometimes you just have those jobs that become lessons
@makermarc70
@makermarc70 4 жыл бұрын
Yes my friend the dreaded "what were they thinking?" "why didn't they just say that? "Lol I would suggest the real lesson here is the integrity and determination it takes to do things right even when no one is looking. The customer trusts us. It SUCKS doing things more than once after serious planning(plus the cost is always looming). 2 or 3 times might discourage a diyer. A non pro handy man might have used some spacer blocks etc. We are the professionals. The last guys holding the line between" high quality" and"its good enough." Thank you for sharing this content. You are a good example. Keep up the great work and honesty.
@cockerluver
@cockerluver 4 жыл бұрын
30 year stair guy here. I went through the same thing last spring. Called stair rail company but I didn’t get a drawing like you. I was pissed but I made it work just like you. My big problem was I was dealing with an ornate handrail. I became a woodcarver for 2hrs fabing (sp.?) the easements.
@InsiderCarpentry
@InsiderCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын
@@cockerluver Uhg. I can't even imagine. They were initially considering aluminum handrails. I would have found a different career path if it would have been metal hand rails...
@balloney2175
@balloney2175 4 жыл бұрын
"serious planning"
@robertbamford8266
@robertbamford8266 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the insight into “reality strikes”. I suspect lots of redos and adjustments never make it into videos.
@stevebengel1346
@stevebengel1346 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate installing cable railing, especially on the rakes. Kudos to you for showing everyone how even a dedicated professional can screw up every now and then 💯
@joegrimes6485
@joegrimes6485 4 жыл бұрын
Just want to say thanks for taking the time. I’ve had similar problems. Using repurposed newel posts . No one can understand the annoyance of dealing with it . While you r in the middle of working with it .
@xCoolBreezex
@xCoolBreezex 4 жыл бұрын
Very surprised that the sketch wasn’t a part of the installation instructions
@TerryPullen
@TerryPullen 4 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 4 жыл бұрын
They never are.....instructions are useless ....idk how many times instructions were so far off or missed steps.....they just dont put any thought into them.....only meant to be read by people who assemble that very product everyday it seems.....alot of it probably has to do with manufacturing in china.....instructions used to better years ago......if you produce a product they should have clear well laid out instructions that any journeyman or even high apprentice can read and install...... This man should not have to call the company to install this railing with his experience and skillset....just few weeks had issue with shower trim (expensive) that didn't come with right set....had to call company to get the revised set and those were wrong and was 3rd revision sent to me cpl days later....lol..... On shower trim which is pretty basic but they sure complicated the heck out of it......course like Lewis I ate cost and downtime.....and 2 veteran licensed plumbers as well
@xCoolBreezex
@xCoolBreezex 4 жыл бұрын
@@kirkdunn1379 Couldnt agree more. Yes; call me paranoid but I swear the assembly guides have illustrations that don't match the steps and other various missteps. Gotta have the skills to pay the bills!
@xCoolBreezex
@xCoolBreezex 4 жыл бұрын
@@TerryPullen Something tells me Terry understands haha.
@tonygrace4946
@tonygrace4946 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. We all run into problems at times, it sure sorts the men from the boys, a true professional sticks with it till it's right.👷
@stannich
@stannich 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how sometimes the smallest change can make or break a job. Great work and way to stick to it!
@skipl.7355
@skipl.7355 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Solving this one is like solving a Rubiks Cube. Your expertise, persistence and craftsmanship shines brightly. You are spot on seeing that the offset of the pivot point lies at the root of the problem. The intermediate posts look to be around 3/4" thick, whereas the bottom post is like 2-3 inch square. If the pivot point above the square bottom post had been set in about flush with the rear face of the post (replicating the intermediate posts), all would have been good (though the pivot would look out of balance). But having that offset on the bottom post throws your rail off from being parallel to the cables. I don't know if this was a custom order or a "one size fits all" out of the box set, but either way I feel the manufacturer was grossly incompetent to push this out their door. If it was a custom set, the bottom square post should have had the top distance of the bottom post (from the top cable hole to the top of the post) manufactured shorter to compensate for the pivot offset. If it was a set where all posts are the same height, the manufacturer should have included specific warnings and instructions about the necessity to do a dropped horizontal bottom rail piece, similar to what they sent you after the fact. What if you required a one piece straight rail as you originally did it? That would be impossible with the posts as they are unless you alter the posts or add blocks, both of which are unacceptable. The only way to get a continuous straight run would be if the top spacing of the bottom post was shorter than it is. I'm sure your situation is very common and something the manufacturer is well aware of. Also... Your pinned comment explaining the limiting constraints you were facing is excellent. Certainly adds so much clarity. Thank you again for sharing your expertise; beautiful job. Although I just found your channel, I find your videos very enlightening and a joy to watch.
@samuelligo7234
@samuelligo7234 Жыл бұрын
Love the waterfall skirt board. Perversely, I am gratified to see that you have troubles once in a while. I have trouble all of the time. Thanks for sharing your frustrations.
@IainHendry
@IainHendry 4 жыл бұрын
I wish there were more builders like you who would stop and think about stuff like this. So many would have just hacked it together and left it looking like crap and shrugged their shoulders.
@natashashepperd7069
@natashashepperd7069 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, I was hired with another contractor to do finish work on upscale houses. He was a hack, I hated working with him, he would go behind me and change my work because he liked his way better, then blame me when they ask me why it looks jacked up. I caught him talking about me saying he would have done it the way I originally had it if they had let him do it to begin with. He told them he could do ship lap, that it was super easy for him. Turns out, he couldn't make outlet cutouts line up so I had to take over. He left a mess everywhere he went in those houses, tons of rework. They said they couldn't fire him because they needed him, so I quit, the company ended up getting sued. Sucks for the home owners. Now I work for myself.
@ryanolden5304
@ryanolden5304 4 жыл бұрын
What an absolute mind bending experience, so glad you got there in the end, looks a whole lot better. If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
@jbonegw
@jbonegw 4 жыл бұрын
This experience may sting now but moving forward you’ll know exactly how to do it in the future. Not a total loss. 👍
@user-oc6qs1po3j
@user-oc6qs1po3j 3 жыл бұрын
A good carpenter never calls him self a master carpenter we can learn every day. I never hire a guy who calls him self a master carpenter or says he can do the work of two guys. Just do your best if that guy worked for me an I walked in on his first or 2nd try I would had said boy this is a pain. But can't have this. Can't get mad at people help them an be proud of what is done. Tell them great job an hug them.
@kallara10
@kallara10 3 жыл бұрын
You are the best and honest finish carpenter
@DMJ1978
@DMJ1978 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to explain this, while (I'm sure) you where under pressure to get it done. You handled the situation above and beyond, though. Sign of a true professional and someone who takes great pride in a job well done. Cheers from Denmark.
@drmkiwi
@drmkiwi 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding. You show a great deal of patience, persistence and professionalism. Thanks for the video. Cheers, David
@rawalz1
@rawalz1 2 жыл бұрын
Man I love to watch your work. I applaud you talking through the frustration I would not have the patience to film while I worked it out in my head
@davids8493
@davids8493 4 жыл бұрын
The knowledge that you gained from this experience will come in handy in the future for something completely different. A lesson well learned, as they say. Don't think of it as a lot of time wasted, instead, added experience to your repertoire. Well done!
@SOLT_Mark
@SOLT_Mark 4 жыл бұрын
What a nightmare, most of us would not have known any better than you. Glad you stuck with it because the blocks looked awful. As I watched to the end, a thought hit me. Once that top cable is installed, it shows you exactly where the handrail has to be. You would have noticed it immediately. Good example of perseverance!
@blackhawkdoors2405
@blackhawkdoors2405 4 жыл бұрын
What a nightmare. So cool that you finished it and finished it right. 👍
@ShopGoatVentures
@ShopGoatVentures 2 жыл бұрын
Felt your pain the whole way through, well done! And man, to keep recording! - Knowing from experience what it takes to make a video, all that extra time of documenting when all you want to do in those situations is get the job done because your already in the hole...well done, thx for the video and the time it took 👍
@dirkg7062
@dirkg7062 3 жыл бұрын
Love watching and learning from a pro like yourself.
@bensandham8842
@bensandham8842 4 жыл бұрын
You mate are an extremely good carpenter. You have an eye for detail and exercise high standards. Glad you didn’t leave those packers in, that had me cringing for a while. Keep it up.
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