My Neck, My Back | The Steve Dangle Podcast

[@josiahvellekoop4435]

I'm sorry but Jesse is wrong. If you score 4 goals in a game, you absolutely got a hat trick. If a player has scored 3 goals halfway through the game, they have gotten a hat trick. Scoring the 4th goal later on doesn't negate the fact that the player got a hat trick. We don't wait to throw our hats on the ice until the end of the game, as soon as that 3rd goal goes in its hat trick time. And we don't all go get our hats back if the player scores another one after that. For any achievement that is judged instantaneously, Jesse is wrong. For any achievement that is judged at a set time, Jesse's argument works. For the baseball analogy, we judge what happened at the end of the play. If you got a home run, we don't say you got a single, double, triple, and home run because those aren't things you achieve as soon as you cross the base, they are decided after the play is done.

[@CheetahLynx]

This is the correct answer. Every other answer is wrong.

[@jeffe2267]

At this point, I'm pretty sure he's just sticking to his argument because it's funny to watch people freak out about it.

[@killroy123]

This bit is driving me insane cause Jesse is wrong and this is the right answer. I feel my brain melting every time he debates this

[@batmang9014]

Yeah Jesse needs to leave the show ASAP

[@killerfrenchy]

the best equivalent is golf. If you get an eagle on a hole, you don't say you got a birdie AND an eagle, you got an eagle. You no longer got a birdie. The problem is, we don't have a name for 4 goals, so its all a moot argument.

[@user-il8rc4md6n]

Adam, I think the Leafs fan throwing toast on the ice was implying the 2010 Leafs were "toast" or "cooked". Not "wake up and smell the breakfast" 😂

[@sdpn]

I’m sorry I don’t have time to debate the finer points of toast-tossing -Adam Wylde

[@beans780]

@@sdpn

[@chumplet8947]

If I were allowed to throw something on the ice, it would be a turnover. With maple icing.

[@chumplet8947]

Seeing as the usual phrase is "Wake up and smell the coffee."

[@user-gu3eq2cl4n]

just another "fuller" moment for adam lmao

[@Noisemaze1]

Steve hit the nail on the head regarding the Coyotes ownership. As a Coyotes fan from Phoenix (yes we exist) I don't know a single person who would ever trust THIS ownership group again after they lied directly to our faces, nor would any fans support them after years of being told, "Just wait. Everything will be good soon." & then having the rug pulled out from under us. Absolute betrayal!

[@nolananderson4782]

I've never understood the NHL's obsession with Meruelo as an owner. It's been nothing but organizational failure after organizational failure since he's had the team. Remember, the Coyotes didn't choose to leave Glendale -- Glendale kicked them out. Delinquency on state taxes, the prospect testing scandal, getting massively outspent campaigning for the Tempe arena, this hotel bill thing.... When all of this is happening, it has to come down to the guy at the top. If the NHL comes back to Phoenix under Meruelo it's just gonna fail again. If they find a different owner, they've got a chance.

[@PDXKing99]

If I’m them I’d talk with the Suns owner again, I know he didn’t want to buy the team but that could be because of Meruelo being untrustworthy. Hockey can work in Arizona especially with how popular it is in youth hockey but they can’t put their faith in Meruelo and company to redo this in 5 years

[@jadon3776]

The KZbin Doctor Steve was talking about who does the injury breakdowns is Dr. Brian Sutterer. He's great and has looked at some hockey injuries including the Dylan Larkin incident this year, the John Tavares head injury in the series against the Habs a few years ago and pretty much any other major injuries around the league.

[@spencedubs72]

Utah resident and listener here, while I’m sad for the Arizona fans that they are losing their team, this might be one of the happiest moments of my hockey memory. I’ve only seen the hockey community grow in Utah year after year and I cannot wait to support this team in person in Salt Lake!

[@disturbedmee6142]

The money thing in the tomato cans is straight from The Bear 😂😂

[@wilgeman6784]

Can't believe none of them have seen the show and didn't say anything about this.

[@pheayre]

oh steve's look at the camera when jesse was trying to explain if he thought matthews was a 50-goal scorer... lol!

[@tyleroosterhuis8600]

A hat trick is awarded not when you score 3 goals in a game, but when you score your third goal of the game. Your third goal will always be your hat trick goal.

[@str1fe13]

It's crazy that consecutive headlines we discussed on this episode were "Alex Meruelo gets first dibs on the next expansion" and "The Coyotes haven't been paying their hotel bills." How is this guy allowed such privileged status, let alone part of future ownership consideration at all? It's a clown show franchise and he's the head clown. He's been in charge of the entire sharp end of the organization's decline, from when they got kicked out of Glendale for not paying rent through the failed Tempe referendum to where they are now. Who has jerked around this fan base and this market more than him? For all I hear about how good Bettman is at picking owners, how he always wants to be in the right market with the right owner, this is his man?

[@tronnoadam]

The NHL is a very badly-run league

[@TS5Winners]

Perfect timing, I was just looking for something fun to listen to while I make dinner

[@slipperynodd578]

OH HOW TEMPTED I AM TO FINISH THE TITLE

[@LearnedAstroGnome]

Richard Cheese:s version of the song started playing in my head immediately. Great tune.

[@luc00144]

I thought of Friday when the crackhead slips in the store 😂 "My neck! My back! My neck and my back! I'm suing y'all for 150,000! Or we can settle out of court, for 20 bucks."

[@SgtQuackers5980]

11:40 money hidden in cans of tomotoes happens in the TV show The Bear. Nice call saying it's straight out of a tv show, haha

[@philtorrez4198]

Guys, spot on about Muerelo and Co. I feel betrayed, and what they did was cowardly. I’ve put my heart, soul, and money into the Coyotes for well over a decade, and they lied to all of us.

[@TheFusionmix]

Meruelo is like that boss who wants to make all their employees 1099 to avoid taxes, and who owns rental properties that he ruins with the cheapest crap from Home Depot and won't fix.

[@M.R.1525]

I love Jessie arguing for the sake of arguing on goals.

[@CoopenhagenX]

For Sid's peak, the season you are thinking of is 2010/2011, where he finished with 32 goals and 66 points in 41 games... a 132 point pace.

[@jonasgorea3823]

Steve is right about the coyotes ownership. Absolute snake oil salesmen. Honestly from what i have seen it sounds like AZ doesn’t even want another expansion team, especially if the owner is the same.

[@KennethMoyer-t3y]

Really good point

[@offtheposthockey]

As someone who lives in Nebraska. Absolutely nothing goes on here except farming and growing crops. Its pretty peaceful.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😄🔥🇨🇦

[@offtheposthockey]

@@rickrobitaille8809 I wish I was Canadian loved hockey ever since I was growing up. Always wanted to play travel but my area never had a team, probably a blessing in disguise because we never had the money for me to play travel. 😅

[@ballistiks]

SDPN: “the podcast won’t change with the SDP VIP episodes” also SDP when a normal topic naturally comes up in normal conversation: “let’s not get into this… save it for the VIP episode”

[@justinb2000]

So true. Damn

[@KennethMoyer-t3y]

Also, they discussed not doing the press thingy because they still had the VIP thingy to do later.

[@captcal]

Almost like that’s what vip is for 😂

[@nicholasdabruzzo1662]

yo ppl get mad about everything, pay 4$ to watch it or be happy with free hockey content lol

[@Hockeyhobo89]

@@KennethMoyer-t3yya that bugged me. Don’t cut down the normal show because you have to do a bonus episode. This whole season it feels like 70% of the time they say “press conference?” Followed by a “No!”

[@sz7313]

Coyotes fans will not support any team owned by Alex Meruelo. When I tell you they are angry, I am actually downplaying the level of rage among fans. And spare me the "all 12 of you must be sad."

[@philtorrez4198]

Correct, I’ve been a faithful for well over a decade. I am livid, we are livid. If he sells my team and gets another one I will not be paying attention, let alone spending my money.

[@JoshAstronomer]

ok so what about if fans had to wait to the end of the game before throwing hats on the ice with the 3rd goal, just incase they score a 4th and it's not a hat trick anymore.

[@KennethMoyer-t3y]

Hilarious!

[@beans780]

they scored the hat trick though, it's about the moment :P

[@gibberish5388]

It's a reference to the bad take that you're not a 50 goal scorer if you're scored 60 goals. It's like the old riddle. "How many months have 28 days"

[@beans780]

@@gibberish5388 yes.

[@cyan5161]

1:06:00 agreed 100%, ownership has been stringing along the fans on social media for months after Tempe fell through and the fans deserve better than that. Meruelo should not be allowed anywhere near another NHL team.

[@TheRyan1234Ryan]

Stringing along the fans on social media? He owns the team, is he supposed to tell people to stop showing up altogether?

[@cyan5161]

@@TheRyan1234Ryan Obviously you don't want fans just checking out, but I think you can do that without having to sell them false hope every day with the "guys we really wanna stay, we'll reveal our arena plans reaaaalll soon we promise!!!" song and dance for months. Especially when you just turn around and start the sale process not long after you actually release your supposed plan...

[@TheLoneDrow22]

My neck, my back the dangle crew is back!

[@RareMusicLJM]

the definition of a hattrick isnt “ you ended the game with 3 goals”, it’s “getting 3 goals in a game”, which means u can in theory get 2 in a game

[@INMATEofARKHAM]

Not even theory, a number of double hat tricks have been scored in the NHL. The most recent was Darryl Sittler in 1976. Red Berenson did it in 1968 (which is crazy as he only scored 261 goals in 987 games played). Everyone else did it back in the early days... and the game isn't at all comparable. (Hell, not sure 1976 is truly comparable to the modern game, but you at least recognize it as the same sport.)

[@KeeperOLight]

1:18:28 I had crosby in my hockey pool that season and everyone looked at me like I was crazy. I remember that 4 point night, it was hilarious everyone was losing their mind.

[@KennethMoyer-t3y]

As someone who has been watching hockey twice as long as Jesse has been alive, when someone scores a hat trick they always announce it as a hat trick and the hats rained down. That is an accomplishment that is celebrated FOR WHAT IT IS right at that moment FOR WHAT THE ACCOMPLISHMENT IS ( A HAT TRICK )!!! It is an event in time that doesn't get erased if the player scores another goal - or more. Even after the game is long over it gets described, numerous times, as so and so scored a hat trick and added X more. A more interesting argument is what special name do you give to a four goal night? A five goal night? A six goal night? Silly Jesse.

[@eddiereekie2403]

Six goals are a double hat trick

[@garrickmusic]

Jesse, Where there hats thrown on the ice? Then the player had a hat trick and finished with a four-goal game. You don’t throw the hats back when the fourth goal is scored. And does Matthew take the tape off his 40th and 50th goal pucks and throw them in his practice pile when He reaches the next level?

[@bh4sh4]

How did they go from bidding for land for an arena to being moved in a week thats crazy

[@ajbolt7]

Missed out on Mark Stone’s annual return lmao

[@PatrickSchraner]

I was in Tokyo until a week ago and Shohei Ohtani has commercials for everything and they are everywhere! I'm sure he'll make back the money.

[@kyshreckengost]

🐧🙂 Happy to have seen Crosby play for many years, truly deserves to be in the conversation with Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, and Howe.

[@cameronearland5716]

Steve: I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE PLACES!! Us Americans: We don't know what goes on in those places

[@nowfocus577]

Jesse apparently doesn't want people to throw hats when someone scores their 3rd goal - wait till the end of the game to make sure they don't score another. If they do just go home.

[@CelticWarrior2265]

Best prop at a game I ever saw was a dude that had was a fishing rod with a rubber chicken attached at the bottom, and he had season tickets behind the opposing teams penalty box in the old barn for the Spitfires. Every time an opposing player got a penalty, he'd dangle that chicken dangerously close over the heads of the players, that all stopped when they moved to the WFCU unfortunately.

[@mikekerr5843]

Mady & Gentlemen, Another great show. Gotta find the new *Agent Provocateur* episode.

[@bobmcbill100]

Can confirm. I'm 6'4 and shoot left. I wear size 14 shoes. Playing hockey can be difficult man

[@michaelenyart5789]

Jesse, normally the voice of reason on this podcast, is OUT OF HIS MIND on the hat trick take. Hats were on the ice. You can’t take away a hat trick once the hats have fallen

[@como2380]

Steve is right, you get “dead leg”, “dead foot” or “drop foot” from getting hit in the perennial nerve. The fighter he is likely talking about in the UFC is Sean O’Malley. It was during his first fight with Chito Vera for context

[@PUDDI1986]

1:29:36 being a goalie this is why I have always loved Brians. Their pro grear is the same quality as what the pros wear in the NHL. You can go to any sports store that sells Brian's and it's the same as what the pros wear.

[@TheHockeyDad94]

The calmest I've ever seen Steve was him listening to Jesse explaining his take on Hattricks and Auston being or not being a 50 goal scorer. I, on the other hand, turned into Steve Dangle when the Leafs lost to a 42 year old zamboni driver that works for the team!

[@predestinedbyGod]

lol west and the gambling issues 😂

[@armthesharks6904]

A hat trick occurs when a player scores 3 goals in a game. Any goals beyond that don't negate the fact that he had a hat trick. So dumb, always was, always will be.

[@28_Spokes]

Wake up and smell the breakfast!!

[@Viridel648]

Considering that the NHL subsidized the coyotes for multiple years, it does make sense that they would broker the sale at a profit. so they can recover some of those losses.

[@Reignerific]

13:37 I feel like entire vibe is “6/10” and honestly somehow I get it

[@jeffe2267]

The peroneal nerve thing comes up a lot in MMA -- it can really take you out of it. The incident that Steve is referring to was a fight with "Sugar" Sean O' Malley

[@waltermichalski4622]

Jesse is so wrong lol you can score a hat trick AND more goals, just because you scored more than 3 doesn’t mean you didn’t have the hat trick already! I don’t know why he’s considering it an end of game thing? Like when someone scores 3 it’s not like the team waits until the end of a game to consider it a hat trick. What a weird hill to die on lol

[@paulpaterson803]

In "The Bear" they find hundreds of thousands of dollars hidden in cans of tomatoes they used to make sauce at the restaurant

[@chumplet8947]

There was money hidden in cans of San Marino tomatoes in the Hulu series The Bear.

[@PoopdeckPatty]

Baseball stats are quite different from hockey stats Jesse, come on man lol

[@Krokodilius]

mount rushmore is in south dakota so that'd be somethin to look at, wyoming has old faithful.

[@dfu3764]

I kinda like the jeresy talk, I only have one leafs jersey in blue, but I have both gravy and coffee stains right on the bright white leaf logo..... makes me feel like a true leafs fan lol

[@njdbrasil6]

Steve let them talk about them talk about the sale 🤣

[@Emphatic83]

jesse stop a hattrick is decribed as scoring atleast 3 goals in a game not only. While there are several theories, one popular story is that the term originated from a hat store owner in Smiths Falls, Ontario, Canada, who offered to give a free hat to any player who scored three goals in a game.

[@disinformationworld9378]

Matthews is in the process of setting active player scoring records and the media is dreaming about sitting him. The goal total will be standing for years unless Matthews breaks his own record. It makes no sense. Let him play.

[@KeeperOLight]

1:39:13 lot of nuclear missile silos up there

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Max Domi has been looking for Chemistry somewhere 😂🔥🇨🇦😁🥊

[@Trouble368]

@ sdpn , I have a set of game used Alex Stalock goalie pads from his time with the Leafs organization.

[@ginnyweatherbee7941]

That Caps-Buffalo fight was interesting, Buffalo isn’t exactly known for their toughness. I guess Tage wanted to test out how well his wrist was feeling on Pacioeretty’s face.. and all because Dahls hit Ovi.

[@Arismix23]

Players that have won 3 Cups with the same team with at least 30 teams in the league: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Sharp, Hossa, Hjalmarsson. Fleury even though he wasn't the starter for 2 of Pittsburgh's Cups? His name is on there 3 times, so I say yes lol.

[@alexmercer674]

Way behind as im just now watching the pod. Work and helping out fam.

[@zintia11]

great title, boys, keep it going 🫡

[@wilseph1]

That video title is wild. SDP on Khia settings 🤣🤣🤣

[@Bdots44]

Is it a reference to something?

[@wilseph1]

​@@Bdots44 Damn right it is. It's a song. Khia - My Neck, My Back

[@HatTrkPatrk]

1:12:13 thought this would be an "era-adjusted by WHOM?" moment

[@JoshMarshain]

13:00 seeing the leafs finally win a series and take every game on the road, catching their Ls at home has made me put even less weight on home ice advantage. Home or Away, win, this advantage is wildly over exaggerated

[@snakeeer69]

Hey Jessie! Are 20,000 fans wrong if they throw their hats on the ice when a player scores their third game in a game to celebrate their hat trick? Should the team give back the hats when the player scores a fourth goal in that same game? Sorry but you're wrong on this one...

[@rickrobitaille8809]

This 😂game has changed dramatically since then 😂🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@andrewschofield7452]

What jersey is Jesse wearing in this episode!?! It looks clean AF. Proper cool jersey.

[@mrswb]

Truck driver whose been all over the US, Idaho has a town called Cour d'Alene and its beautiful Montana has Glacier National Park Wyoming has Yellowstone South Dakota has Mt Rushmoore and Crazy Horse Nebraska has one of the best State fairs And North Dakota is a land forsaken and forgotten by God.

[@debbeneke7802]

Well Steve's not too far off about the drive through South Dakota to get to Minnesota lol

[@SleepyScylla]

To further counter Jesse's point about "not a 50 goal scorer". When people retroactively look at player point totals season per season. You say x player had 5 100point seasons even if those totals were 101 125 135 110 100. So yes. Matthews' season is a 50 goal season and it is also a 60 goal season.

[@zachdavies7816]

The Canucks defence is hughes-hronek 1-2, Ents 3-6.

[@CanadianBigMek]

Hey Steve, what about theae as lines Domi Mathews Bertuzi McMann Tavares Nylander Knies Marner Robertson Jarnkrok Holmburg Reaves/Dewar With this the scoring and toughness is now 4 lines deep. What do you think?

[@Chillin24Seven]

Jessie is wrong you can score a hat trick in a single period. You get a hat trick for the 3 goals then you’re starting on your second hat trick with the next goal.

[@giantsecoya498]

Nathan Bastian (Rempe) and Michael McLeod (Hockey Canada) were their "middleweights". Not enough but they did have a couple. Also Brendan Smith is a middleweight.

[@kcrowther14]

I almost bought a wade belak stick from the leafs shop for $35..im kicking myself to this day 😢

[@kcrowther14]

I wrote this before you mentioned belak

[@kcrowther14]

😅

[@stevenfi8963]

Jesse, if a player scores 3 goals in a row, then another player scores a goal and then the first player scores a 4th goal, would you give it to him that they scored a Natural Hat trick plus one?

[@KennethMoyer-t3y]

Really good point

[@jamescarlin4244]

Threw toast on ice… and it was toasted. If it wasn’t. It would be bread

[@QuazarCyclone99]

If crosby keeps producing like this for another 4or5 yrs its not out of the question he might hit 2000 points if he does become the 2nd player ever to reach 2k points he definitely is top 2

[@captcal]

He’s 36. I doubt he plays past 38

[@QuazarCyclone99]

@captcal he will play till he's at least 40 his current contract isn't up till he is near 38 yrs old plus his play hasn't dropped off which crosby has said would be a factor in his decision to retire

[@christopherboyd3311]

Lidstrom has 4 Stanley Cups with Detroit.

[@The_Village_ldiot]

usually love Jessie's opinions ... but surpasing 3 goals, they still scored a hat trick. Passing does not nullify the achieving. Term should stand until there is a common name for 4 . 5 .6 ...

[@davidliddle949]

Game jerseys, I bought a CCM Jersy for $ 57,00 great quality of Matts Sundine there are options for cheaper jerseys

[@ryanpinto4613]

It’s a foldable pylon

[@KevinJL]

Fuller

[@samfisher2314]

The land of milk and honey was an old testament reference to the promised land.... 'MURICA!

[@MrSilentj16]

Do the fans wait until the end of the game to throw their hats on the ice? What is Jesse even talking about haha

[@hudsonathas164]

Imo mt rushmore is Gretzky, Howe, Orr, and Roy. I think you have to include all 3 positions of the game. I could maybe hear an argument for Crosby > Howe, but thats so tough. Also if we are talking Longevity NO ONE will ever surpass Howe in terms of impressive longevity.

[@andyholland2130]

If Steve got jacked and just parked in front of the net, I'm fairly confident McDavid could get Steve his goal. If Edmonton had to play with 4 players on the ice with McDavid and an orange cone that's just outside the crease, I'm fairly confident that orange cone would have one goal in an 82 season. Surely, Steve is better than an orange cone.

[@mrswb]

Jesse, I like you and a fair amount of you insights are worth hearing. You are so completely wrong about hat tricks. You are defining them as ending the game with three goals and that is literally dictionary definition wrong "A hat-trick or hat trick is the achievement of a generally positive feat three times in a match, or another achievement based on the number three" it doesn't say ending the match, it says achieving a feat 3 times. You literally argued against yourself when they brought up Mathews goal totals. Please just give up this hill.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Thanks!

[@gianfrancolobello4466]

Those prices for the fanatics jerseys are actual in CAD so the authentic on ice jersey will be $425 CAD and no, if I want a Matthews jersey just like the one he wears on the ice I can’t buy his gamer for a few hundred more than $425. Matthews gamers are 10k.

[@andrewabuckle8207]

They keep talking about Steve playing as if it would be 100 different games. It wouldn't; it's the same game, replayed, with him in the same shape he began in. He would know exactly where the skaters and puck would go, exactly what position the goalie would be in, given enough restarts. I've got him knowing how to get the slowest breakaway of all time in 30 games, scoring in 40.

[@kevinwillhelm4874]

Can everyone tell Jesse the NHL credits players with a hat trick that score 4 goals

[@matthewsommerville8911]

At four goals that is a hat trick plus 1. That is how it always has been

[@vic_the_slick]

As someone from Idaho we cheer for Denver or Seattle teams

[@sojiroseta98]

I wouldnt ever pick Crosby over Lemieux but 3rd yes absolutely and why not?

[@colintilbrook]

2 55:00 minute mark , Sean O'Malley vs Chito Vera 1, Chito calf kicks Seans leg, Sean controversially went on to declare it was a fluke and refuses to accept it as a loss. Recently Sean who is now the Champion at Bantamweight, rematched Chito for the title and absolutely obliterated Chito, lending a lot of weight to his fluke not a loss argument.

[@Yetso97]

As someone who was in the prostock gear market before all these companies popped up... I disagree with Adam that the companies running stuff is a good, smart thing... I miss the days of getting brand new gloves from team sales for $25...

[@hannahjoy4320]

Frequent SDP listener here. I just wanna say you guys have been absolutely killing it lately! I’m really enjoying SDP VIP and I’m super excited for playoff pods! Cheers guys

[@kcrowther14]

😂you guys kill me