My One Concern With Dual Specialization | WoW Classic Fresh

[@xJurpi]

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[@jessebrockman8782]

swapping in rested zones would just mean raiders hearthing out between bosses then having to run out and summon

[@xJurpi]

At that point most players would just stop doing this and if warcraft logs steps in and outright just bans this sort of behavior it won't last long. Before it got banned, players used to wait 30 mins for recklessness for each fight just for the sake of parsing.

[@thomashafner2224]

Would certainly agree it’s overall a good feature and one that I’m personally excited about but I think adding a cooldown of some kind should be there to prevent abuse. I’d say 1-3hours or maybe even multiple different cooldown options like a rank 1 say starting at 12 hours through 5 with a progressively shorter cooldown as gold sink

[@xJurpi]

yes, but maybe not that long. One hour is a pretty long amount of time to prevent abuse or any cheesy gameplay

[@clintmcbride7830]

It shouldn't be too long. Because then that would incentivize people to NOT swap if they only have a single dungeon to run that'll only take 45min to an hour. Why would I swap to heals for a dungeon when I won't be able to swap back to dps afterwards? Locking me out from doing anything else for the time being. And this situation is just for healing a dungeon, a full dungeon. For me, personally, it'd be perfect at 30g at level 30. No cool down if changed in a major city (or less restrictive - any rested area) and a one hour cool down if changed anywhere else (which resets when entering a major city/rested area). But I don't see the point in making it too restrictive. It's a QoL feature... Let it add some quality of life.

[@thomashafner2224]

Just throwing things out there, but yes I’d agree that 1hr is probably where it should be so it’s useful but not as easy to abuse. I would agree on it being swapped in a town without cooldown if it wasn’t so easy to hearth out and get summoned back into a dungeon.

[@cmdrasumoto9658]

Having played warmane with dual spec, its really great.

[@xJurpi]

Never played on that server. Was there a CD or some restriction on dual spec?

[@Hostobi]

@@xJurpi there isn't, however if you're playing a mana class you get 0 mana when you swap, as oppose to a rogue for example who can get their energy quick after swap, ive seen people optimize it for 1 spec has prep and hemo and other was their normal pve spec, so they dumb CD's swap spec and use prep to reset

[@dhoff82]

What dps class would you guys recommend for just sitting in bgs and farming gold?

[@xJurpi]

I'd recommend hunter or mage. Both really fun in BGs and incredible at farming gold.

[@dhoff82]

@@xJurpimage over lock also?

[@dannydegraaf9719]

@@dhoff82locks are pvp gods, less mobility than mage, play what you think is more fun

[@dhoff82]

@@dannydegraaf9719have only played ranged classes to lvl so no clue how any are at 60

[@dannydegraaf9719]

@ if you don’t like the class while leveling chances small you won’t like them that much at endgame

[@cnh7262]

Was concerned when the title, but I judged too soon. Spot on take! Good suggestions!

[@joshw3719]

You should only be able to use your other spec with dual spec if activating it in a city/rest area or inn!!! Get on the forums, every voice matters!!!!!!!!

[@xJurpi]

o7

[@xkthanksbye]

here we go again 🙃

[@xJurpi]

:)

[@tainicon4639]

Here’s my take, the player base would already optimize this way. It would just become mandatory to farm an extra 500g per week to keep up. As it is… I am already going to need to respec for raids as I will be swapping between MT and OT. So after raid night I will need to replace one of the tanking specs with a PvP spec. This just reduces the penalty I am experiencing for wanting to play multiple aspects of the game. As a plus it enables me to dynamically change my role in a run which is just a bonus. I would honestly go a step further and say they should implement reduced respect costs…. But the way the vanilla economy is set up that would probably lead to inflation so it’s understandable why that’s a bad idea.

[@SabentHD]

Or just optimize your tank build properly and tell you raid; Perfect fine, been doing it for years? Why change now? if you know how to play War Tank, you should be fine; My Op

[@Sporatix]

I think you need to add a hefty cool down to swapping otherwise if you can swap any time in major cities the raid meta will be just to hearth and summon tons of people between bosses; which sounds really lame. Maybe they should add a 24 hour cool down for swapping specs? Though even that will have people hearthing and being summoned once. I'm not sure what a good solution that would keep the spirit of the classic raiding alive would be.

[@Pupperino7773]

That sound ridiculous. The amount of time wasted to summon people back? Just finish the raid

[@xJurpi]

i doubt players will spend that much extra time, if they’re willing to do that warcraft logs will likely just invalidate logs for that sort of behavior.

[@clintmcbride7830]

If you have to wait 24 hours..... What's the damn point? It's a QoL feature. 24 hours sound like some shitty quality of life. Give it to me at level 30... Hell give it to me at level 20 for 5 gold so I can use it. And people like to min max, let them (not me, I'm only on HC ATM, between class balance being absolute trash and the world buff meta, I'll never raid in classic again, hopefully they have the boost when BC comes around again)

[@TheCaptainRex]

Nah you shouldnt punish the majority for the actions of the minority. The small amount of players are the problem but once you get past that its a non-issue.

[@xJurpi]

the casual guilds will adapt and copy the top guilds eventually. world buffs are a prime example of something that was optional and became mandatory over the years.

[@chosonnow630]

Dual spec is good, dual spec should and be available for those who purchase it anytime and anywhere. I want to pve and pvp and I need two specs to do so. back in 2019 all I did was have to grind gold in order to pay for 3-4 spec changes per week, yeah it was a great time, not!

[@xJurpi]

Absolutely, dual spec is a great QoL for the game. However, without a doubt players will optimize raids & the open world will become completely different, without restrictions to swapping in rested zones.

[@ninhilo2551]

The people who cried loudest for dual spec are the ones who will be punished for not optimizing it (Open world PvP and raid).

[@xJurpi]

100%

[@krayways]

Lowkey should have been free, why do we need another gold sink for the casuals. Since it will now be mandatory to have Dual spec in raids. Should also been no lvl cap on it, so we can get more Tanks/Healers for dungeons 30-55. I agree that the should only be able in rested areas, to prevent raid "metas" to form. Good video Jurpi!

[@xJurpi]

I don't see why not, the early game really isn't that big of a deal. I think gold amount is fine, considering we used to pay that much to respec each week lol

[@Kharua]

Prevent raid "metas" Most HC groups bringing 20+ warriors.

[@xJurpi]

@@Kharua but those are old metas, we're talking about how new metas that would form because of no limits on DS

[@TheNamesNobody]

@@xJurpi Im 22, cant afford a 3rd respec to tank for the hundreds of groups looking for tanks. Idk where you get your gold, but im at 5g already, and fuck that. It only gets even more expensive, and this is classic.. Not having cheaper or free unlimited respecs is only stopping people from playing, and enjoying content, and it especially effects so many others when we talking about tanks and healers who have to suffer leveling in those shitty specs and probably wont bother.. Its just dumb. Not being able to do it mid raid, fine, but any other time, what the fuck is the problem. Its a far bigger problem finding tanks, or trying to be one and level. To such a degree no on even wants to play the classes that are most needed...

[@orangeapplejuice1898]

@@TheNamesNobody Thats some broke boy mentality just go into open world and pick stuff up and put on Auction house, if you can't make 50g you can't play the game.

[@dollarsex9020]

"just go play era" not the fresh era server that was advertised

[@xJurpi]

The server was proposed to having changes added. LFG & GDKPs banned. "#NoChanges and #Changes Philosophy at Launch" here is the blue post: www.wowhead.com/classic/news/wow-classic-20th-anniversary-realms-information-350544

[@coryguala9385]

you mustve tried so hard to find some negatives in this. just a video for the sake of a video. nothing you said sounds like a problem

[@xJurpi]

not really I think dual spec overall really great. Without limits players will optimize it like they always do taking the path of least resistance. for example just look at how optional world buffs are, or stacking warriors in your raids. now a days everyone does this sadly

[@antonkokic]

actually video is veeeery true, you are blind if you can't see how community always ruins stuff like this

[@SabentHD]

​@@xJurpiStacking warriors is stacking world buffs, thats the same example though

[@leifashley]

I really don't get why people care about dual spec being in. People can and do respec now anyway, this just makes it usable.

[@xJurpi]

yeah, some people just hate the idea of dual spec and want 0 changes to the game which i think is such a dead concept at this point. There are plenty of changes the game could see and would improve the quality of life for everyone

[@sageosaka]

I agree with the video. Dual spec being there is overall a very good thing for the game but with zero restrictions or cost it opens up a lot of cheesy play styles.

[@xJurpi]

@@sageosaka yes, thank you!

[@tainicon4639]

@@sageosakabut the cheese is why people want it!

[@Eddylol07]

Wow dude, this is the first time I come across your channel on youtube and respectfully you have some HORRIBLE takes lmao. This isn't Fresh Era, there's already a dedicated game version for that. This is the re-re-release of vanilla and having some QOL changes like Dual Spec without limitations is ONLY A GOOD THING. You classic purists find every new thing to complain about ...

[@xJurpi]

I'm by no means a classic purist, I think changes are good for the game. They just have to implemented correctly. I think you're missing the point of this video. TLDR, I think dual spec is good for the game. With no limits players will optimize the fun out of it. If you give players the option to, they will do it.

[@TheNamesNobody]

@@xJurpi Optimize the fun out of it. Makes zero sense. How does what someone else does with there charactor effect your fun exactly? Respecing especially.... The alternative for many is to not be able to play the game... Your imaginary scenario effects the 1% of the 1% trying to hit world firsts and there direct competition, and if you got that mentallity playing the third release of classic you need to get a fucking life...

[@xJurpi]

@@TheNamesNobody it has everything to do with it. if you give players the option to optimize the raids, players will start doing this. Not just the 1% players will be doing this, look at world buffs for example, sod also proves this point with players swapping to make raids easier, players will always take the path of least resistance if you give them the option to. Adding a cool down or some restriction wouldn't harm dual spec at all, if anything it helps preserve the game without shifting a new meta upon players.

[@tainicon4639]

@@xJurpiI think you’re failing to realize that hyper-optimization is actually a selling point for many players. I personally love tanking for this reason. I get to mess around with different gear sets fight to fight. Being able to have half my bag filled with different off pieces that sim for different aspects of play is fun! Do I want more threat this fight? Do I need more mitigation? Maybe this fight is all about EHP and mitigation is less important. Do I need resistance? So dual spec is a draw to me because it lets me swap between tanking specs to go from a very Aggro build to a more survival focused one based on the context of the encounter I am in.

[@xJurpi]

@@tainicon4639 This has nothing to do with spec, that's all about gear. What you're talking about can be achieved with just one talent build. You can tank every raid even naxx with just one spec while swapping on more mit pieces for the harder hitting encounter.