My REVERB G2 is Officially DEAD! :( Which is YOUR Best UPGRADE? LET'S DISCUSS! Microsoft Flight SIM

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[@Tocqueville69]

Planned obsolescence is one thing: Being smacked across the face with the Reverb G2 that I spent a thousand Aussie dollars on-not to mention replacement controllers, cables etc.... Is another thing altogether.

[@Glider324]

Yep fellow aussie. You going pimax or quest? I'm thinking sticking with the g2 on blocked w11 until the pimax super/5090 becomes a thing.

[@Tocqueville69]

@@Glider324 already have a Quest 3. When I can afford a new machine, then I’ll go the Bigscreen Beyond, methinks.

[@ViszysClips]

the only headset that never let me down. Looks amazing. Zero distortion, no barrel dist. no chrom ab. Perfect

[@kawafahra]

Best Upgrade ? Windows 10.

[@Dai_VR]

LMAO! Another reason I'm sticking to Windows 10, LOL

[@KodaiRyu]

@@Dai_VR Remember not to update to 24H2 in it (yes W10 will get it too because M$ want to bury WMR for good)

[@MixologistMilo]

Well put sir

[@guvnormclean]

exactly the same as you . i bought a new heaset PICO 4 , its brillant but when i went back to the g2 reverb i was like wow i miss this. Will be using this brick till its dead.

[@Zetler]

I bought the G2 to hedge against META’s mobile centric approach with their Quest lineup and got a knife in the back. This is a betrayal! WTF. I could be done with VR after this because I trust no one.

[@martinwobbly9230]

Forget the ethics of killing working headsets with a software update. What about the environmental effect of 1000s of headsets being dumped and people buying new ones causing more headsets to be manufactured. It should be illegal - crazy!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Very good point

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

My upgrade from ReverbG2 was Quest3, it is simply black magic how wide the sweetspot is, I can use eye to check cockpit instruments on that thing and the integrated ASW is also another black magic, I can feel completelly smooth on 72FPS when ONLY getting 36 FPS from my PC/game, that is insane help when I can divert all the GPU performance to resolution or other visual quality.

[@UncleVoltoto]

Q3 in VD with max. settings looks like crap. Washed colours, awful contrast. Overall image feels flat.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

@@UncleVoltoto I dont use VD for flight sims as the wifi has quality hit compared to USB. if you are not playing FPS/walking game, the VD path has much less quality compared to OculusLink via USB. Also it helps a lot if you increse the resolution a bit above native in OpenXR override with since you have some performance reserve with quest3 asw. Also compared to my old reverb g2 the colros were simply different, I used OpenXR color controls to make it back to what I was used to.

[@UncleVoltoto]

​@@networkgeekstuff9090 You are wrong. Meta link is even worse then VD, much more blurry. VD's godlike setting resolution is around 3100x3100. I want to say any streaming with re-encode is bad for flightsims.

[@OperatorPuski]

Q3 with cable link looks fantastic. The giant sweet spot far outweighs whatever else it may fall short on. Honestly I think the colors, brightness, and visuals holds its own quite well. It just works everytime too

[@OperatorPuski]

Q3 with cable link looks fantastic. The giant sweet spot far outweighs whatever else it may fall short on. Honestly I think the colors, brightness, and visuals holds its own quite well. It just works everytime too

[@ColinDyckes]

Use Group Policy Editor to either stop all automatic updates or set it to specifically target 23H2. I'm keeping G2 compatibility until I'm 100% happy with my Aero.

[@jamessimmons8352]

I did this, thinking I'd ride the G2 for a year longer. Then the PCL came out and Steve's review convinced me I should upgrade now in prep for MSFS 2024. With the PCL in hand and working well, I've moved on and will let 24H2 install (eventually). 🙂

[@ChrisM541]

@@jamessimmons8352 The wise man knows to watch out for channels that are paid to push a product. The wise man is also wise in the ways of 'The Shill'. ;) Irrespective, and what's more important, is why Steve, here, didn't remind viewers that there are very easy methods to STOP Windows 11 from updating to 24H2. No, instead he declares loudly "G2 : Dead". That, shows true colours ;)

[@jamessimmons8352]

@@ChrisM541 Actually HP showed its true colors when it removed the G2 from its HP Store (with no new replacement product) and Microsoft announced the dissolution of its WMR team and the future removal of WMR from Windows. I decided to cut bait and move on. It was never a matter of IF; just a matter of WHEN. Pimax Crystal Light was the logical alternative, given my current PC specs, and the timing was right given the imminent release of MSFS2024.

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

I honestly feel like a class action lawsuit is in order. MS legitimately first supported and recommended the G2 to use for MSFS2020. If they can support WordStar for decades they can support Mixed Reality. 🤬

[@Tailspin07]

Even though I dont intend on upgrading to Windows 11 ever, this is still insanely frustrating. It's such a good headset, and I already have one. It was expensive. I don't want to get something that is going to be big and more expensive to get roughly the same experience. Depressing.

[@CC-gt3ro]

Don’t support Microsoft. Don’t buy fs2024. If you have a console , switch to ps5 as i do. I won’t accept they don’t support their own technology on w11 and fs2024 on w10. Microsoft out and will be replace by linux if they remove support on w10 and i will sue them.

[@toooldforsocialmedia4197]

Had a G2 back in the days. the sweetspot was horribly small. returened it after 2 days. Returned my Pimax Crystal light after one week. While the sweetspot on my crystal light was great, the focal lenght was abyssmal. Wonder why no influencer talked about this. My lensenses where +2.5 off! As long as we don´t have variable focus lenght in our headsets the focal lenght should be infinity, not 1m. the Quest 3 was returned after one week aswell since it had tracking issues and the resolution was last gen. the lenses where superb, though. Bought a varjo aero and am very happy with it! Euro quality! BTW, I am into VR since the Oculus Rift DK1 and modded it hard (new display, new lenses).

[@Glider324]

Thanks. So the Asian headsets have a much closer focal length which is a problem for some non Asian users like me.

[@Avetorro]

Glad you mentioned this as it is an issue, especially for older people who short distance vision has started to fail. Have to get Clip on lenses made, another £100, plus the comfort kit and thicker gasket to accommodate lenses, more money…and they may or may not help 😞

[@ChrisM541]

"Wonder why no influencer talked about this" - one simple reason we all, depressingly, know well...money given by companies to push a product.

[@Themisterdee]

Just dual boot your system with win 10 and 11 .Assuming your cpu doesnt need the win 11 scheduler.

[@LestatDK]

Use Incontrol and lock the version to 23H2 and you're good for another year

[@KC-df8lc]

Thats what I did as well

[@alexandrerossi3553]

How can I do that? Do you have link to share with the explanation ? Tks!

[@ChrisM541]

The question is, why didn't this channel mention/remind viewers about the use of Services, Group Policy etc to do just that? So much for helping people out !!!

[@Plexi417]

There’s gotta be a solution to this. I’m not updating for now.

[@BjornTheF3llHanded]

Yep same, not updating Windows to shit can my expensive headset, for no good reason that MS have shared lol, NEVER have automatic updates turned on for Windows is the lesson folks ;)

[@SargonDragon]

This is copium. Microsoft announced the deprecation of WMR support last year and that they would be removing it from Windows entirely, and Reverb G2 owners have been in denial about this ever since. It's actually happened now. You shouldn't continue to be in denial about it.

[@legendp2011]

hopefully a mod work around. but in the meantime a $35 512gb usb stick loaded with windows 10 would still work, as its still supported on windows 10 (although if you can afford to spend $100 on a proper external ssd, I would recommend that)

[@gyeltsen]

There is, using Windows 11 group policy editor, especially if you have Windows 11 Pro.

[@overtorquednut]

@@SargonDragon They took away functionality, without providing replacement functionality. Now we have perfectly good hardware that has been made useless for no reason at all, I think that's grounds for a class action lawsuit.

[@coRb77]

So sad, I have over 1500 hours with my 4 years old HP G2. This headset got me back into flight simming, and holy shit what a trip it has been the past years. Absolutely amazing expereince with G2. I am so pissed at Microsoft making hundred thousands of fully functional headset for millions of dollars, rendered into electronic scrap over night. These headset would have been able to be used for another 5-10 years and could have brought thousands of flight hours for very affordable money to thousands of flyers. Anyways, I dont like Win10, so I was forced to upgrade to Pimax Crystal Light, but the G2 is waaaaaay more comfortable to wear. And the MIC is awesome on G2.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Totally agree with all your points. Thanks for sharing.

[@SargonDragon]

You're severely overestimating how many of these headsets are out there being used. There were never millions. According to the Steam Hardware Survey, there are about 80,000 of all WMR headsets in total. The Reverb G2 is an old outdated headset that was never popular outside of a narrow niche of flight simmers. From within that bubble, dropping support for it looks ludicrous. But from a larger point of view outside of flight simming, WMR is a failed product effort from years ago that never gained much traction and is now being dropped after announcement of EOL last year.

[@coRb77]

@@SargonDragon ah ok, I know too many in my circuit 😁 Felt like it was incredibly many. But anyways each of these headsets cost about $700 new so it's a tremendous amount of money waisted way too early. Just because of some software not even needed to be updated anymore. MS could have left it in Windows for many more years.

[@paulmann8675]

I’m glad Steve you have gone back to the g2 after so long I’ve had mine over a year now and I’m surprised with your comment to the sweet spot You cannot have it setup properly as I would say I 50% to %75 of clear lenses with using open XR tool kit and in game tweaks

[@SargonDragon]

@@coRb77 The problem is that just leaving WMR support as part of Windows with no resources maintaining it is a significant security risk. Years ago, old drivers like this would have been left around in the OS, and that's what a lot of flight simmers have expected would happen with the end of support for WMR. But security has become a big issue in modern times. The frequency and sophistication of cyber attacks has increased dramatically over the years, and operating systems can not afford to leave such points of vulnerability anymore.

[@kencoble3012]

I get the frustration..but hey this headset won't die to good for that stay positive lots of owners plus talented people's out there still waiting for my crystal lite. Will keep my G2 V2 .Great video again and comments.

[@acratone8300]

I sold my G2 (eBay). I thought the Pimax Crystal Light was way better in graphics displayed for the first 2 days. And then I remembered to take off the plastic film over lenses, and then it was even better! That's my true confession of temporarily being stupid !

[@xxxxjet1982xxxx]

I just bought a Pimax Crystal Light and was so excited to try it. However I find mine has a lot of Mura. I’m not sure if it is normal or not. Otherwise the headset is ok but I was a bit disappointed to be honest. It just does not look as clear as you report it should. I really loved my HP REVERB G2 and actually think it still holds up to the crystal, at least the headset I have.

[@SargonDragon]

If it has mura, your unit is defective.

[@paulmann8675]

Another defective headset pimax and these are been recommended to us wow Poor poor quality Why cannot they get that sorted especially for the price people have to pay

[@Avetorro]

Maybe you need to wear glasses as I found I do since the focal length is a lot less than the G2. If you can’t see clearly writing 1 metre from your eyes then that could be the issue?

[@nij2k]

Sad day mate, this was exactly how I discovered yours and Sebs channel, I had a rift s and didn't want a quest, so needed a new pcvr headset and you and Seb totally sold me and I don't regret it one bit, I remember it came on a Saturday morning at 9am and I had no idea it was coming, had gone downstairs feeling a bit hungover to feed the cat and a guy knocked on and had it in his hand, felt like Christmas day 😁 so many happy times in this headset even though I hated windows mixed reality, this headset and my 1080ti could handle almost anything, so many great times with this headset

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks for still being here all those years later mate. I hope you get that Christmas feeling again with a new VR headset soon. Take care

[@nij2k]

@@VRFlightSimGuy no worries, currently got a quest 3 and psvr2, so feel like I've got a good mix, plus a new pc with a 4070 super, would love a pimax crystal though 😁 looking forward to msfs 2024 and no doubt lots of videos from you 😁

[@PLACEonPLATE]

So my G2 replacement, the Pimax Crystal Light arrived yesterday. I was not impressed at all. The focal point, the barrel distortion, all made for an underwhelming experience. I immediately set up a return through Pimax support. It was that bad for me. I put in a preorder for the HTC Vive Focus. Who cares about the lenses. Hell, the lenses everyone's raving about in the Crystal had an insanely small sweet spot. There's no way the Vive can be worse

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Sounds like you have dodgy lenses.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

Pretty much the reason I am sticking to quest3, quality control, absolutelly freaking black magic giant sweet spot and for the love of god it actually has active cooling fan that prevents both fogging (which both crystal and reverb g2 were heavily impacted by in first 20min of any playtime) and getting warm during summer days. I am scratching my head as I learned that pimax is not putting a freaking 15usd costing fan into a 800 usd headset.

[@PLACEonPLATE]

Well I just canceled my preorder for the HTC Focus. Apparently they are using the same exact lense setup as their previous models which NO ONE liked in their reviews. I'm thinking I just might buy a Windows 10 key and do a clean install

[@reeemooo]

Oh thats sad ! I was about to order Pimax crystal light . So you dont recommend it !?

[@PLACEonPLATE]

Everyone has different opinions of the Crystal Light . I saw that a lot of people had varying issues but then some people raved about it. I decided to take a chance. First thing I noticed was that the focal point was very close to my face. This caused my eyes to strain after a while and it also lessened the illusion of 3D. It's hard to describe. Everything didn't have as much depth as the G2 did. Then I noticed distortion around the edges. I went to an exterior view of my jet and with the "grid" of the tarmac, plain as day you could see massive barrel distortion. I went online to see if there was anything to adjust and found others who had the same exact experiences. Done. It's going back. I'm glad it works for others because I'm all for high-end PCVR headsets. Unfortunately it's not a good headset for me

[@outoutmtb1949]

yep all started for me when i stumbled across your channel G2 purchased its because of you steve im now skint but love my VR now both flight and racing

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks for still being here all those years later mate

[@salilphadnis4147]

Well, it only worked for me for the first few months after I bought it last year. Then it was way to jittery in the MSFS cockpit to be of any use. Not going to miss it.

[@pcwizardman]

I’ve only my G2 for just over two years so I am staying with Windows 10 for now. I would like to get my £600 worth first!

[@GregWoodsLancs]

Can't afford an upgrade. I've got my windows updates set to manual. I must admit... I won't miss that tiny sweet spot of the G2 when it finally gets replaced

[@lurchilurch5507]

The G2 was epic, at least with FOV mod. First headset that really showed the (future) potential of high-res VR flight simming. I tried both a QPro and Pico4 but returned them both and went back to the G2. Took the Aero for me to move on! That was a defi ite upgrade, despite the low VFOV.

[@GizmoMaltese]

Another reason not to upgrade to Windows 11.

[@JohnCarlyle]

Don't worry G2 owners, the update doesn't even manage to install on many peoples machines. It gets to 50% on mine then just fails.

[@stevejones924]

That is sad. They need to be more involved with their customers and not leave them flat.

[@poolhallshark]

Memories... I still have my G2 in a closeT which will now be closeD. Unless I somehow can sell the headset. Haven't used it after I got my Crystal 1 year ago. Take care, Steve. Love from Norway♥♥♥

[@acratone8300]

I sold my Riva G2 on eBay 2 months ago, knowing this day was coming. I still had the box and foam, and so was an easy sell. It sold in 1 hour after I posted it.

[@poolhallshark]

@@acratone8300 👍👍

[@gyeltsen]

It's possible to use group policy editor to block update to new version of Windows 11 but still allows security updates to current version.

[@CC-gt3ro]

I keep my old and trusty ryzen 1800x 8/16 at 3.7, so w10 cannot update to w11..it runs perfectly fs2020 in vr with my wmr samsung odyssey oled with medium settings smooth in all scene tokyo new york. Colors contrast and deep black with oled, and it is 7 years old. The resolution is not bad at 2800 x 1600. For a 400$ cdn 7 years old, i am sure it beats some new headset.

[@overtorquednut]

I don't want to EVER hear Microsoft crying their crocodile tears about the environment again after they just relegated thousands of these perfectly fine headsets to the landfill.

[@ernestwinslow7316]

There has got to be a way around this. It is very quite unfair to throw away all the WMR headset out there even when they are still working. A mod or alternative software to replace the one MS is taking away for Windows 11 users.

[@verbaan19]

I don't understand why they had to abandon this so soon. I have mine for about three years and don't have the funds to update to anything else. So it's either the end of flight simming - once you have experienced VR, there's no turning back -. And it also means not upgrading to MSFS2024... Or I manage somehow to not update W11, which doesn't feel good either. Why MSFT? Why?

[@ComdrStew]

It has been a good headset for almost 4 years. RIP G2.

[@cuttheloop]

Boxed up my trusty G2 for sale today. Have a PiMax Crystal light on order. I couldn't go for the Q3 due to the amount of accessories I would need to purchase for comfort, and the USB compression was a big turn off.

[@rogerwennstrom6677]

Pretty early G2 owner here... Honestly, I never gelled with it. Two main reasons: 1) pretty bad optics with poor sweetspot and really bad edge to edge clarity. 2) poor tracking - not so much for the helmet itself but definitely for the controllers. Apart from that, build quality and comfort were never that great for me, plus ofcourse WMI never was that great. The panel itself is pretty nice though when it comes to resolution etc. As I am still on windows 10 I probably will still dabble with them occasionally but they (and other early headsets like CV1 etc) kind of burned me a bit when it comes to VR. I want a headset where the optics arent really something that gets in your way, while still being a comfortable solution.

[@johncrichton4341]

Scandalous!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

IKR

[@bldsprt518]

I have the focus vision on order. I'll get ready for the "fresnel are junk!!!" parrots but I still think the reverb is fantastic, and the vision will add wireless to the displayport. the pico 4 doesnt cut it for sitdown simming imo.

[@QBziZ]

My line of thinking as well. It looks like a perfect G2 replacement. However, I will wait for the reviews.

[@davidmuir6849]

Great clip but it’s not dead for me . I have windows 10 and disabled updates 😊 Regards Dave

[@JetlinerX]

I just retired my G2 today as well. Onto the Quest 3 for me! It looks insane, def. an upgrade.

[@DoogieFresh]

I just ordered my Pimax yesterday. I hope it come in before MSFS2024. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my Reverb until it is bricked. It's gonna be a dope paperweight.

[@eugenebeck9210]

I gave up on my Quest 3! The display is always slightly foggy. It is not as crisp and sharp as I like. That is why I am eagerly awaiting the Pimax Super with micro-oled displays at 57PPD. I hope they do start shipments in December, as they said earlier. "The G2 is dead! Long live the G2!"

[@changseoklee466]

I can feel your sad and complex emotions, as if you are bidding farewell to an old friend for the last time

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

❤️

[@damo7800]

I too have the HP Reverb G2 and I’m waiting for the guys from Somnium to make contact regarding Postage to Australia! but still haven’t heard a thing it makes me very nervous spending a large chunk of money with a company doesn’t respond to customer enquires…

[@Glider324]

Thanks mate, as an Aussie I was thinking Somnium but I gave up because I think they are Northern Hemisphere focussed.

[@chadef555]

It goes further than that. They not just not respond, they actively censor people on discord who make valid points or they choose to disregard customers by calling them "drama queens" and what not. It even goes as far as threatening to cancel someone's order because they don't like the truth being told about how their priority is marketing and events participation rather than actual prodcution line capacity. The headset is great and the most solid option right now but the person behind it is a classified douche bag who cares more about money than customers satisfaction and timely delivery of the products.

[@carboon400]

Incontrol GRC lets you decide if you want the windows version update or not. It does not interfere with the security updates for your current version. Works for me. Will use my G2 till it dies.

[@DCobra98]

Thanks Microsoft, for sealing the deal that I will never downgrade from Win10 to Win11.

[@vangoghoff5521]

Hmmm so glad I went for the quest pro at the time with 6e and a 4090, would be kicking myself now. It's a shame I never experienced it tho, it seems it was so loved!

[@jamessimmons8352]

Thanks to you the G2 was my First VR Headset, and sadly, today, I reboxed it and will see if there are any takers on eBay. It's in perfect condition and was working well when my PCL arrived last week. I will say that the PCL inside-out tracking is much better than the G2 which was finicky at best. I think due to LED lighting in my sim space and the 60 Hz flicker the headset didn't like. Thanks for getting me locked into PC VR for MSFS2020. I can't wait for November 19th (Already pre-ordeded MSFS 2024). :-) As far as PCL comfort, I 100% agree that the StudioForm Spacers and Head strap are a necessity - particularly if you need Vrwave lens inserts as you have to add spacers to fit the lens inserts without them being too close to your eyes. Now the PCL is nearly as comfortable as the G2, but you still feel the added weight after a while. I'm getting used to it though. thanks.

[@overtorquednut]

Get ready to dish out a refund to one ebay buyer after another then, because you are selling dead hardware.

[@jamessimmons8352]

@@overtorquednut Not if I clearly state the headset will only work with Win 11 23H2 or earlier or Windows 10.

[@1SaG]

Went G2 -> Quest 3 a couple of days ago. Couldn't be happier. No more tiny sweet-spot and overall much better performance for me on the same GPU/hardware. Plus the picture looks sharper and more "crisp" to me. Speaking of performance: I can get away with MSAA x2 and max render resolution in IL-2 on a 4070 Super - albeit only at 80 Hz as 90Hz/FPS is *just* out of reach with MSAA on my card. Other than that and without MSAA: Busy missions that would grind my G2 down to 70, 75 FPS now run at a constant 90 FPS on the Q3 - at higher in-game settings than I could ever run on the G2. No DP-connection doesn't seem to be an issue. Using a powered USB link cable and some custom settings in ODT, connection is super stable and performance is, as mentioned, way better than with the G2. Should probably add that I'm using OpenComposite/OpenXR, but I also did that on the G2. Re upgrades: Kiwi VR "Elite"-strap (non-battery as I don't need it): €30 - Syntech link/power-cable: €20 - replacement face-mask/gasket: €20 - so €70 all in for the upgrades. And that cable from amazon, BTW, was tested as faster by the Oculus App than the original link cable a buddy bought for his Q3 (2.9 Gbps for the cheap one, 2.4 Gbps for the €100 Meta-cable).

[@HansElzer]

I am still on the Valve Index. I will wait for reviews of the Crystal Super and decide between Somnium VR1 Titan en the Crystal Super.

[@gizmo104drives7]

Such a shame.. iv had the crystal and then the crytal light in my basket for well over a year now.. all i want is a g2 with better sweet spot and maybe slightly higher resolution... maybe eye tracking... but thats it... for 6/700....... now the choices are the extremely large and bulky crystal light for 800 ish with no eye tracking or the quest 3 which has many issues

[@RMAG]

Do you have a video about your hardware setup? Interested specifically about your tables, etc. that you are using for your Honeycomb units. Or do you have a listing of your hardware?

[@ghostskills]

I have temporarily deactivated the update daemon so that 24H2 won’t be loaded. It's not an ideal solution, but a temporary one until a replacement is purchased. If I switch, I want to upgrade and not buy a 'similar' headset. I think there will still be some deals this year, like Black Friday. Only then will updates be downloaded again.

[@csabagurtler6749]

IMHO it's simply a crazy move to ditch an otherwise perfectly working piece of hardware because of some pointless idea of MS's developers. Naturally I'm not using Win11, and it will not change for sure - problem solved. The bad thing is there's not a simple, affordable headset right now which comes close to the G2 in EVERY aspects (resolution, binocular overlap, no SDE, good colors, high comfort, PD cable direct connection, high quality audio with quality bass). Maybe the next generation, a hypothetic Reverb G3, Quest 4/5 or anything else will make it, but ALL the current ones Steve mentioned have heavy flaws here and there not even worth for me even thinking about changing to them. Surely if my G2 stops working tomorrow then I MUST change but it's hopefully not the case. I'm still waiting for the next affordable headset which is at LEAST as good as my G2in all fields.

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

I dont know, but doesnt this smell to you like class action suite?

[@bigbangerz5856]

HTC Vive Pro 2 owners are like “we lost the battle but we won the war…” 😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😂😂

[@Avetorro]

I love it, but got a crystal light last week. The G2 is far more comfortable, you forget you’re even wearing it. A few issues with the Crystal despite its larger clearer image… like the focus distance is a lot nearer so I need glasses to use it with my old eyes. It also seems to have some barrel distortion which is causing me to get nauseous when looking from left to right or moving forward/backward. Never had that in 3 years of G2 use or a Rift S before that. It may just be war thunder as that’s all I’ve tested it in. But I’m sticking with windows 10 and hanging on to the G2 for now 😉

[@Dual1969]

I will simply turn off windows update and continue to use my HP reverb G2 . I will patiently wait for a headset that is a clear upgrade with less compromises to be released in the future.

[@Glider324]

Same here

[@legendp2011]

hopefully a mod work around. but in the meantime a $35 512gb usb stick loaded with windows 10 would still work, as its still supported on windows 10 (although if you can afford to spend $100 on a proper external ssd, I would recommend that)

[@SparkySven]

I will hang onto my G2 and my Windows 11 version 23H2 till I ever get the budget for Pimax Chrystal and AMD RX 7900 XT(X)...

[@imacmill]

I literally just had it out with Meta about their requirement that I give them my date of birth, or else they'll disable my Quest 2 and Quest 3. They can go eff themselves. They agreed to give me my money back for both. I've demanded full price back for both...haven't heard back yet. What they are attempting to do is LITERALLY THEFT. I'm so done with that society-destroying company. So what's a good, untethered substitute?

[@l8knight845]

Full Crystal.

[@imacmill]

@@l8knight845I'm hoping for inside-out tracking, so I can use the headset in any room in my house. (Edit to add: thanks!)

[@l8knight845]

@@imacmill The full Crystal still fits the bill. I'm waiting for Crystal Pro myself.

[@Glider324]

Yeah I had the same issue they were posing the dob reqd like a threat

[@imacmill]

@@Glider324 Posing the dob reqd?

[@larrymiller3607]

I bought the Reverb G2 a few years ago, in part due to watching your videos about it. I did have a couple of units I had to return, but I finally got a good one that I still use today. I'll be ordering the Pimax Crystal Light soon, in preparation for MSFS 2024. Love my G2 but it's time to move on.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers Larry, I agree, it's a good time to move on now. Take care.

[@macbrush]

G2 is also my first ever DP headset. Such a shame...

[@THEGHOSTMAKER1]

Im on windows 11, with HP Reverb G2. I stopped windows 11 from updating so i can keep using it

[@CC-gt3ro]

Don’t install a clear version of w11, or install w10 with an old processor not compatible with w11 like ryzen 1800x 8/16 @3.7, but it is still a powerful processor to do everything 4k video editing , 3d rendering, photo editing and vr high resolution. If you put a recent graphics card i bet you get better result than recent headset.

[@THEGHOSTMAKER1]

@@CC-gt3ro was that a repy to me bud?

[@hausnm]

Well ,let’s hope that someone manages to program new win 11 drivers for the g2

[@christophbehrendt87]

Its so hard to choose a headset now with MSFS 2024 coming. The difference between the VR1 and Crystal Light looks very big. Was that through the lens at full native resolution? Is it possible that Pimax implements the Nvidia sharpening technic too? That price for the VR1 is that high. 😢 I would love to support that made in EU Point but 3000€ incl Taxes hurts that much. With everthing around that hobby I can make a real pilot license. 😢 And the crystal super isnt released now.

[@x32i77]

I really recommend the vr1 . I tested it in Prague and it blew me away. It's so much better than the crystal

[@christophbehrendt87]

Can you say something about a comparison about the VR1 and the varjo Aero? Is the aero between the crystal light and the VR1? I am thinking about to buy a used aero. The Software will work, also when they end the official support for this hmd.

[@chadef555]

Only take VR1 into consideration if you don't mind waiting a LOOOOOONG time. I don't mean the time it says on their website. It will take much longer than that. It's clear

[@x32i77]

@@chadef555 yeah the waiting time is annoying

[@chadef555]

@@x32i77 Waiting is one thing. Derogatory approach and wording that CEO uses to anyone who dares to speak up is the problem. The complete lack of care about timely delivery because money and marketing events are more important is the problem. I've talked with some people privately on discord and they also share similar views. Strangely the biggest bottlenecks and delays happened during and shortly before some events organized by Somnium or Somnium participating in events to showcase their headsets. It's not a coincedence. But CEO of course says that "he does his best" - sure, to stuff his pocket with money even at the expense of customers having to wait longer.

[@KodaiRyu]

Sadly W10 iso's are be bundled with 24H2 so it doesn't matter which Windows you use it will get bricked T_T Only way to prevent it is to stop big updates in Windows

[@CC-gt3ro]

My OLED samsung odyssey is 7 year old and works phenomenal. Good colors good contrast, deep black in dark scene like tokyo. These new headset required huge graphic card and are not as good, these have only more resolution. But my oled samsung ofyssey has a very fine pixel structure, you don’t really see it and make the decor more realistic finally. I tell you i am picky on graphics but it is phenomenal. And there is only 4,6 millions pixels to handle so my ryzen 1800x and nvidia 1080ti are fine to handle that in medium settings for all scenes. But i deactivate the other planes or boat or cars. But it handle perfectly my yoke and ch pro pedal and the headset. And i don’t overclock the cpu, and very reasonable on gpu overclocking, i have margin.

[@GregWoodsLancs]

And the Pimax DMAS speakers are still out of stock since forever!

[@diamond4829]

I sat my g2 down waiting for 4090 prices to go down, but they never did, so what a waste of money. I'm pissed off.

[@sascenturion]

Great to reminisce ..real shame its defunked , here's hoping someone will come up with a fix . Amazing looking scenery in the video though ..wow

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Really hope so mate. I wish Valve would step in and help, maybe a software bridge so we can use Stema VR without all that WMR crap. Thanks for watching, Wales is so beautiful.

[@ochsosfollies]

@@VRFlightSimGuy 100% Not the Reverbs Fault . Microsoft sacked the WMR team leaving no one in "the office" who knew how to update /maintain their own code.. The ending of an era for the Win 11 users

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@ochsosfollies I don't recall saying it was HPs fault 🤔

[@ochsosfollies]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Never meant it that way SOrry for misunderstanding. just meant that The hardware is till viable and MS let it down.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@ochsosfollies Oh gotcha no worries mate

[@rav3n595]

Had the Reverb G2 for a while. Small sweet spot, horrible controllers, way too front heavy, the face gasket was for very wide faces causing forehead pain, but the image was good. Some time later, the screens had small areas where the LED's would not turn off and displayed patches of rainbow colors. Contacted HP for a repair on warranty. They denied the repair, due to my having put on an aftermarket headstrap. As if that affected how the screens work. Turns out, many other people had issues with HP refusing to repair units. I've owned many HP products over the years, but they aren't what they used to be. With WMR dead, there is no longer a point to any WMR headset. Not updating a computer just to keep using an obsolete headset just doesn't make sense to me. Especially when there are other and better options. Replaced the G2 with the Q2 and then the Q3. Q3 is so far the best headset I have had yet. My perspective is based on what you get for the money. I play DCS, but that's not all I play. I also play games like Skyrim VR, Half Life Alyx, Beat Saber for the wife and Moss for the kids, to name a few. So any headset I invest money into, has to fill more than a sim role. Since VR tech changes ever year or two, it just isn't reasonable to pay up to or over a thousand dollars for something that will be obsolete a year or so later. I can use the Q3 wired or wireless, at my computer, in the sim pit, all around the house or even outside. If I need to see the room or sim pit, I can just tap the side of the headset and get passthrough. The size, weight, image quality, features and comfort are very reasonable. Certainly the best bang for the buck.

[@father-sonflightsimulator3838]

Uhhg. Thanks for reminding me that when I upgrade my pc it’s gonna also brick my G2. I have to upgrade just about everything at this point. 😢

[@Tyrielwood]

😢 tears.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey buddy. Great to see you here. Sad day indeed.

[@joerihuffmeijer3247]

Tears of joy for me, finally an excuse to get a beyond or crystal light😅

[@UkDave3856]

Mine has died in the cupboard after not seeing the light of day in two odd years. I was keeping it as a back up to my Aero, but it’s never been needed. I guess it’s just so much electrical waste now 😢

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

🙁

[@der60er]

i am still rocking this beauty. then comesxa big boy. crystal super, meganeX superlight or vr1

[@buzzow]

Tbh G2 weak point was fresnel lenses; that was the cause of the small sweet spot and the visible concentric circles that ruined the visual of its amazing panels. That's the only thing that makes the visual quality lower than the Crystal, because in terms of resolution, really noticeable, G2 is so maginally less that real visuals are on par. I had a Crystal Light (had to return it due to severe bad tracking that made it unusable) and already have a regular Crystal, and due to its (many) hadware and software issues I alternatively use both headsets so really can appreciate the differences. As I said, in terms of resolution on G2 barely could note any visual downgrade if it weren't because of the fresnel lenses; on absolutely the rest of aspects G2 wins: comfort, in-out tracking (v2 solved initial imprecision), weight, audio and mic quality, and software and hardware stability. Taking into account all these aspects and aplying to Crystals, Varjos, Beyonds etc, for me, a G2 with aspheric lenses would be, currently, the top 1 headset.

[@AnHonestDoubter]

Still love it, and certainly didn't get Windows 11. ✊️

[@stevetb7777]

Cheers! Which headsets have the best binocular overlap? Thanks!

[@Serpico360]

If anyone is gonna kill my Reverb G2, it's gonna be me. I spent too much time and money on it to just walk away. Also, it's still works great for everything I do.

[@aubreycolemanracing]

Someone will make an app for it, I'm sure!

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

What is the status with the Pimax Crystal Light running too hot and pimax not allowing fan control to increase it? I hated ReverbG2 during summer days at is was a freaking oven, and love the quest3 running super cool on the face with it's fan. What is the situation with Crytal Light these days? I noticed on the pimax forums several complains on the temperatures of the thing and request for direct fan control.

[@SargonDragon]

The Crystal Light does not have fans. There's nothing to control.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

@@SargonDragon Uff ... ok .... I am getting my flashbacks to ReverbG2 that was fogging like crazy in first 15 minutes and then was crazy hot on summer days. Quest2/3 active fans that are impossible to hear are solving both of these as they stream a gentle breeze also to the face mask, I am now baffeled how a 800 bucks VR headset cannot put there a 15 usd costing mini fan for christ's sake.

[@growtogether]

I keep my G2. Not upgrading 😅

[@sasquatch8923]

I thought it only bricked the A/R portion of the G2. The VR should still work?

[@SargonDragon]

No.

[@sasquatch8923]

@@SargonDragon Hmmm. It's just a screen. You can use openxr or steam vr? The "mixed" part or WMR is getting bricked. I'll trust you but why brick what is essentially a screen. It would be like bricking a monitor? Maybe I don't want it to be so. Why hasn't CV1 been bricked or ANY other VR headset that is old? Doesn't make sense to me. Why couldn't HP keep it alive?

[@Glider324]

@@sasquatch8923 rumour has it that wmr is too much of a security risk going forward.

[@sasquatch8923]

@@Glider324 Right on. Thanks for the info man.

[@Tin_Fed]

Hey Steve. What does the Pimax CL look like when you downscale it to the Reverb G2 resolution? I'm running a 3080.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'd say it doesn't look as sharp, it can also look a little shimmery. But you do get better lenses, colours etc. So it's not perfect unfortunately.

[@simonjohnade]

Would you say Pimax Crystal Lite is in line, better or worse than Varjo Aero?

[@ilkinahmadYouTube]

Yes clarity is good but with a feeling of squinting

[@bflorezruiz]

The Pimax Cristal Light is rubbish. It's too heavy. It's unbalanced. The tracking works poorly. It's jumpy. The sound is almost non-existent with the stock speakers and sounds like an exaggerated rumble with the Dmax. The cable is extremely thick, heavy and stiff, which adds more weight and discomfort. The lenses produce a lot of geometric distortion. The image is sharp but the difference with the Reberb G2 is not that big. In fact, when I put them on for the first time, my first reaction was total disappointment. I barely noticed the difference in resolution. The sweet spot is extremely small and, because the headset is so big and heavy, any slightly rapid movement of the head takes you out of the sweet spot. First time I've bought something from Pimax and, of course, last time I've done so. It seems like a product designed and manufactured by beginners, not professionals. After a week of trying to get the PCL to like me, I'm back on the Reverb G2 and will continue to use it until 2026 or beyond. Until it works or until something really good comes out.

[@BradHaines1963]

Thanks mate, you just saved me $1700 Australian Dollars. I'll stick with my G2.

[@Glider324]

Thanks mate, as an Aussie I have a feeling you are right plus there is an 8 week wait for the pimax with the worry that it isnt going to do what I need.

[@b.s.7693]

Yeah, the visuals in the Reverb G2 are also better than the PSVR2. Brightness only a little less (and of course no full black), but better sharpness, no mura and lenses are on par. The downside of course is the small tracking volume for the controllers. Other than that, it still stacks up so well against other headsets in 2024.

[@RJ-kr4bs]

"So aside from all that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

[@JZainbear]

Are you recommending the Pimax over the Somnium?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Somnium is a higher class / tier VR headset which fits into a different category.

[@tdub8719]

"still recording. good stuff"

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Haha thx for watching mate

[@mick_6006]

Hi, can you not use WMR for Steam VR from Steam? Just looked on Steam and it appears to be still available. Just a thought.

[@Glider324]

I think you need WMR running as well as Steam WMR

[@Plexi417]

Wait, they scrapped the Eurofighter?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Blackjack, not the whole fleet of Typhoons 😅

[@Plexi417]

@@VRFlightSimGuyI guess I need more coffee 😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@Plexi417😂

[@damienfiche2592]

Does it still work on 23H2? I didn’t upgrade to 23H3.

[@gvrose1]

I have a G force RTX 3080 and a decent CPU. Will this be enough to drive the Crystal light at max resolution and medium settings for trees and terrain in MSFS2020 or 2024?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Not at Max resolution unfortunately. But at 0.75 yes, and it will still look great and give you some breathing room for future upgrades.

[@Drollitt]

Yes when in 90 upscale mode available with latest Pimax Play update. Have same GPU as you do + 5800X3D Cpu. Looks great!!

[@jackadams8299]

Why does it still work in my PC even after update? Is this just click bait?

[@lh32186]

So you on 24h2 update? And your g2 still working? And are you on win 10 or 11?

[@_od_7825]

Absolutely disgusting from Microsoft to do this and just brick perfectly good hardware. I’ve replaced with the Quest 3, more than happy with it.

[@KC-df8lc]

Everybody that installs 24H2 must be mind controlled and is walking into the Microsoft Meat Grinder for no reason...just like the Pink Floyd video. I run "Incontrol" and stopped these overreaching MS Updates.

[@ECiriachi]

I mean, don't update..?

[@PhotoJohn80]

Uh just don’t upgrade windows. It’s not dead.

[@paulmann8675]

Only dead if you update to latest windows 11 update It’s working fantastic for windows 10 well in to 2026 👍🏻 No need to upgrade

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Unfortunately for me, I need to run the latest Windows and updates. But I'm pleased there is life left in the old girl yet! However, there will become a time where you'll need to upgrade. As Windows 10 supports stops next year and you'll be vulnerable to viruses and security issues.

[@paulmann8675]

I know I’m just hoping for something like the g2 but slightly better and not pimax as yes they obviously have nice clarity and lenses if you can get one that has it from what I see on here and Facebook groups due to build quality control which for that price shouldn’t be a thing

[@c.j2527]

its not dead. just dont update to 11