My Ryobi Brushless HP Tool Has No Power? This Is Why... New Battery Line Up & High Performance

[@MysticalDork]

When I first got my first Ryobi HP brushless tools, I took them apart because I'm insatiably curious about the internals of things like this. Those two extra terminals do not carry power. The wires in the tool are far too thin (~26-28AWG) to carry any meaningful amount of additional power. I suspect that they're either for communication (so the tool knows it has an HP pack installed, disabling a built-in power limiter), or a thermal sensor to allow the tool to shut down when the battery gets too hot (basically does the same thing - If it has a temperature sensor, the tool knows it's an HP battery and can go full blast).

[@alexanderrawlinson8958]

It communicates with the tools to deliver consistent power to the tools. For instance the circular saw when hitting a knot in the wood it tells the tool more power and when pass it tells it to slow down. It helps extend the length of the battery charge by doing so.

[@kevinragsdale6256]

thats probably why they run better with dewalt batteries on them, it bypasses it all

[@theusconstitution1776]

@@kevinragsdale6256 I know that inside the Ryobi battery there is a little computer chip that controls the amount of voltage you get from the battery pack and the old black and yellow batteries didn’t have it so you could use all the energy in the battery and the tool would actually slow down when the battery got weak these new tools or new batteries I should say get down to about 50% and then they just shut off no warning no nothing just dead so I don’t like the circuitry in the batteries. Will the DeWalt battery plugged in or do you need an adapter? I don’t have any DeWalt tools yet

[@brocklee9539]

A big thing to consider is that different lithium ion cells have different current output capabilities. For instance a single 18650 cell made by one company can put out 30 amps safely while another can only put out 15 amps. The motor will draw as much current (amps not amp hour) as it can. if you put a battery that can only handle 15 amps but the motor wants 30 you will burn out the tool or battery. most of the comments here are correct, but missing this key concept. They should realy market how much amp the batteries are capable of discharging safely along with amp/hour.

[@2down4up]

@@theusconstitution1776 The batteries do that because they’re lithium batteries. They have a BMS inside that, among other things, will disconnect the power from the tool to prevent over discharging the cells. All lithium cordless tool batteries have this (I believe) and will function in the way you describe. The worst thing you can do to a lithium battery is over discharge it. It’s not only bad for the battery but increases the risk of a thermal runaway which could potentially cause catastrophic damage. The second worse thing you could do is keep them constantly charged at 100% or over heat them but that’s a separate topic entirely. Brock Lee hit the nail on the head when he mentioned cell discharge capacities. The Ryobi P195 battery was very sought after because it had 21700 cells in it that despite only being 3AH, could provide much high peak discharge amps in times of high demand and thus tools would run better. That’s the whole reason why people use Dewalt and Milwaukee batteries in Ryobi tools. Generally, the Dewalt and Milwaukee batteries use better cells that despite potentially being the same capacity, can handle greater discharge demands and thus the tool works better in times of heavy load.

[@michaelparks3106]

Hmm, my understanding of the HP batteries (I could be wrong) is that the two extra contacts allow the circuitry in the tool to "communicate" with the battery, which optimizes the performance of the tool. The different amp hour batteries should deliver the same 'power' from the tool when they are fully charged, but of course the lower amp hour battery will be depleted quicker. Again, I could be wrong, but I believe it's the voltage and current flow that determine the power of the tool, not the storage capacity. A 3Ahr 18v HP battery should provide the same "power" to the tool as the 9Ahr HP battery, just for a shorter time.

[@djjd3027]

That explanation was as you said clear as mud. But it is far better than any explanation then anything the Ryobi has come out with.

[@WorkshopAddict]

Sorry, there are a lot of moving parts and I did not want to make 3 videos to explain it.

[@aaronporter2180]

@@WorkshopAddict i think this is Ryobi's fault not yours

[@WorkshopAddict]

Thanks Aaron

[@djjd3027]

@@WorkshopAddict that's not on you. It's on the haphazard way of their tool rollout and development process

[@Fusako8]

Actual explanation? The ~2ah batteries have a single series of cells. (5 cells in series, or 5s) The ~4ah batteries have two parallel series of cells. ~6ah is three parallel series of cells. Each time you add a parallel series, you increase the maximum usable discharge rate of the pack. So a 4ah pack can discharge twice as fast as 2ah, 6ah can discharge 3x as fast as a 2, and 1.5x as fast as a 3. "9ah" is more likely than not just 4 parallel sets of 5 batteries in series, though I haven't taken one apart to confirm. This means it would be able to discharge twice as quickly as the 4ah pack. And yes, this means the super expensive "9ah" pack only has a 1/4 better discharge rate as compared to the 6ah pack. And if your tool doesn't NEED the higher amperage, the only benefit is longer run-time. Cell chemistry and geometry has some impact on the discharge rate (Referred to as C in literature and on the battery housing) and it is improving all the time. What this means, however, is that a 6ah "normal" battery will perform roughly on par with a 4ah "HP" battery (As ryobi claims a 30% increase in "power" really 30% increase in C rating.) I would welcome you to test this for yourselves and not take an anonymous cat's word for it, but I suspect you'll find this to be true. :)

[@WaylandsWorld]

As a homeowner, I always found Ryobi’s product appealing; decent tools at a decent price. I also appreciated the fact that most of their products are available in-store as bare tool (great if you need a tool in a pinch). I invested quite a bit in their platform over the years. But with their escalating prices, and movement over to new batteries: I’m thinking it’s time to invest in another brand. Ryobi has served me well: but when new tools are $10-15 off from, say, an equivalent Makita.... and I would need a new battery to get the most out of the Ryobi: why would I not spend the $10-15 on a more robust tool, even if I’m just a homeowner?

[@soulshinobi]

Finally, the explanation I was looking for after like 10 videos!

[@sixstarauto]

Dude, you did a good job explaining, it's clear.

[@WorkshopAddict]

Glad it helped!

[@laurentdubot2402]

I used kzbin.infoUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell

[@karensmith5510]

Great Video. About 2 months ago I bought the Ryobi ONE+ HP 18V Brushless Cordless 1/2 in. Drill/Driver from Homedeopt. The drill doesn't have the 2 extra terminals on the drill like the HP battery's have. The drill says RYOBI ONE + HP on the drill.

[@jserr9682]

Thank you, I bough a higher performance and Damm my HP impact wrench is crushing it and is as good as my Milwaukee

[@to_a_nico]

Thank you so much. I'm certain you saved me SO much frustration, TIME, and in the end money.

[@StreetersGarage]

Brian - I completely agree. I'm not a RYOBI owner but I do keep up with new products. RYOBI's marketing strategy to the consumer was to keep everything simple and have backwards capability to the older blue tools. However, sticking with this form factor for so many years has painted them into the corner in limiting their abilities to be truly innovative. The new lineup is confusing to (even to the tool junkies) and it's even worse to a new consumer walking into Home Depot to make a purchase. It's time for RYOBI to come out with a new platform and form factor. Keep the old stuff as a legacy offering but any new development should be focused elsewhere.

[@daw162]

uh, no. If they start trying to compete with milwaukee and dewalt, they'll be toast. They're playing with fire trying to jack up the prices of tools like they have since covid started. It's getting absurd and someone like me, who had some of the blue and now has the green stuff is finding that maybe they're going high enough with costs that I should switch to a better brand.

[@yoshi2tvmes]

@@daw162 u realize ryobi and milwakee are owned by TTI, the same company.

[@jo9732]

This kind of goes for their 40V stuff to. I can run the mower on a 2ah battery for about ten fifteen minutes but not if there is tall grass. Remember the old adage - there is no replacement for displacement? That’s true with these batteries. But on the other hand I give it to ryobi for keeping with the same platform. I went with M12 for my portable drills because if I need to do a lot of heavy drilling it’s going to be a wall plug. On the other hand the M12 is good for a couple of heavy screws but when I don’t want to fumble with the extension cord. Really love your videos as they are common sense and applicable to average guys who don’t have thousands of dollars to spend. Thanks.

[@Mike-ef7xe]

You just solved my Ryobi situation. Thanks so much

[@jaydee5156]

My 1.5ah batteries have retired. All I have now are 2 and 4ah batteries. I only use the 2ah on my drills and sometimes my 1/4" impact driver for lighter woodworking projects. In a recent outdoor project, I bumped the impact driver up to a 4ah. The hammer drill and just about everything else gets a 4ah. I'm pretty easy on my tools, so power and battery life are rarely a concern for my usage. I have corded counterparts for just about everything, should the need arise, but I can see some 6 and 9ah batteries in my future.

[@bef58115]

Such an informative video… no one else is talking about this. I’ve slowly been collecting the normal batteries (non High Performance) 2.5ah, 4ah, 5ah etc under the impression I was future proofing / growing my collection. Instead I’ve been building a legacy non brushless/HP collection ready set. If I need to now buy one of the bigger HP ready batteries (circa £70+) makes the discussion to switch to Dewalt valid again.

[@yoshi2tvmes]

if your cool with spending that much u should just go all out and get Milwaukee

[@yoshi2tvmes]

@alexander-yd3hz that's why I still use ryobi for all my lights. And once again if he's willing to spend the money on Dewalt he might as well spend a little extra and get the best. Milwaukee is king

[@yoshi2tvmes]

@alexander-yd3hz Facts. For the price I think Ryobi is better than Dewalt. I honestly hate Dewalt. Every time i use my buddy's Dewalt drill I have no control because it doesn't have a variable control trigger like my ryobi does. To each their own tho 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@instantlife]

I think Ryboi can transition to a new battery, like a slide type instead of stem type if they provide tool and battery adaptors for a few years during the transition so you can mix and match old/new tools and batteries. Otherwise, they alienate all their current users.

[@jalee6587]

The problem is that any tool that is made for a slide will not work with an adaptor where will the stem go even with an adaptor. They could sell slide type batteries with an adaptor because it's easy to make a slide to stem adaptor. I hope Ryobi never changes battery styles.

[@michaelporter3555]

To confuse things even more my P262 HP impact wrench actually says on the bottom to use the batteries recommended in the operators manual or P197. The operators manual basically just has a list of all batteries currently available and P197 is a 4ah non HP battery.

[@YumaRacer48]

The biggest thing I appreciate about Ryobi is they have kept the same battery design and chargers since the beginning . .. dewalt, milwakie, rigid seem to change batteries and charging ports every couple years making most tools obsolete.

[@benable226]

I thought this was a Great video, nobody else is talking about this. I was confused during the video but caught up to speed. The short answer is only buy 4 to 9 ah batteries for bigger tools in the HP line. I got really interested in this line as I'm a DIY'er. I don't want to spend my money on contractor grade tools but I don't want junk in my workroom. I thought this would be the way to go but now I'm questioning that. It'll be interesting to see where this tech goes if solid state batteries make their way into these. And as one user said below is will they continue this line or start a new platform.

[@markveilleux4938]

Brian - Thanks for the education...I had no idea.

[@bobbylibertini]

I had been considering Ryobi, to replace my ancient Crapsman tools- buit I know several people who have Ryobi, and while they always SAY that they're 'fine", they always add a bunch of "Yeah, but"s...are always making excuses for them. I ended up spending the extra bucks for DeWalt...and I'm so glad that I did! I don't want tools that I have to make excuses for...I want tools that'll get the job done and last, and make the job faster. I heartily recommend to anyone that they spring for one of the "Top 3" pro-grade brands if they're doing anything more than hanging pictures.

[@callmedee123]

Thank you for the much needed clarification.

[@ocke94]

Great video! I just bought a combo kit with 7 different tools, circle saw, impact driver, drill, multi tool etc. Their kind of basic tool offering, not HP or brushless. With it came a 2,5ah and 4,0ah Lithium+ HP battery. Should I go out and get myself stronger batteries for these, like 5ah or 9ah? Or is it a waste when its not their stronger tools? Im doing all sorts of DIY around the house we just bought and need to renovate.

[@stargatefever]

Supper helpfull. I noticed a lot of tool reviewers using less powerfull batteries and i eventually started to suspect that was an issue even with better more expencive tools

[@Futurase1]

The new batteries have a much higher discharge rate. The newer tools draw more power and if the batt can't supply it and there is more voltage sag then you have a more powerful tool, but you get sub par performance. Down side is this. The higher the discharge rate of the cells the faster they can be discharged... IE shorter run time. The capacity didn't change. No such thing as a free lunch.

[@jameskennedy673]

We the DIY’ers who like Ryobi cordless tools need to contact Ryobi USA & strongly recommend that they do combo kits(tool, correct battery & charger) with all of their power tools from the factory. I have both non HP& HP batteries, I’m learning the difference in both, there’s one thing that I don’t understand HP battery, which I thought was high performance & High Performance batteries. It kinda sounds like they’re confused also

[@zacharyrogerssr9331]

They're on sale now

[@jameskennedy673]

@@zacharyrogerssr9331 Thanks, just found at local orange store

[@littlemissblueyes100]

Thank you for clearing it all up! I just spent an hour standing in the Ryobi isle trying figure out what I wanted. I ended up scratching my head because one kit had hp batteries (in their special spring deals) and the regular kit did not. I now realize I made the right choice after watching this!

[@usernameisusername]

Wait. What choice did you make?

[@littlemissblueyes100]

@@usernameisusername I went with the hp kit because one of the tools was hp and the other not. No point in not have batteries to go with it!

[@PadmaDorjee]

Like always, a very informative and great video. Thanks for helping your community

[@randolfaquino9998]

Thank You! I was about to buy a Ryobi because of the compatibility feature but now that given i am going to decide via Pricing

[@paulschultz2331]

Also, what exactly are you doing with the tool? If you’re cutting furring strips with the circular saw as opposed to cutting treated 2x4’s that’s gonna be a difference. Using the drill to make a hole for a drywall anchor, little battery is gonna be just fine. Running a 1” spade bit through a joist, you’re gonna want the right battery. Still good that the form factor is the same that the tool will still work (though not optimally) for lighter duty applications. They could have easily made the labeling simpler and more straightforward to allow for new battery tech, while keeping the same form factor for backwards compatibility.

[@WorkshopAddict]

You are right for most tools, the range grinder is useless for anything with the 2 ah hp battery.

[@sedanchair2]

... I do like the Ryobi Tools, but HP being different than high performance borders on deception.

[@cjamesadams]

Just tarting my Ryobi journey. This was very helpful. I bought a HP brushless drill and impact driver without the extra connectors. Glad I didn't go out and buy HP high performance battery for these, would have been useless. I'm surprised they don't just distinguish all HP tools as needing HP batteries, that was the confusing part for me. Thanks for the great videos, please keep reviewing Ryobi products.

[@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM]

Great video. At least Ryobi allows backward function to old batteries with new HP tools.

[@izziereal2010]

As an owner of Ryobi tools (brushless and a few brush tools) I have been learning first hand recently that some tools need a larger battery over other tools. For example, I have the 3ah HP batteries and they work very well with my brushless impact drivers drill, and hammer drill. I used the same battery on my brushless 4 1/2 angle grinder and it drained the battery very quickly. It makes sense now after my experience that tools such as angle grinder, circular saw, reciprocating saw, etc.demands more power thus getting a 6ah or higher battery for it. I recently ordered two 9 ah HP batteries for the last three tools I just mentioned. I like my Ryobi tools. The 1.5 or 2ah batteries are not a good marketing strategy for Ryobi to include in their kits. I'd say at minimum include a 3ah HP battery in their kits or a new 2ah HP and a 3ah HP battery. Great video in relation to this topic. Thank you.

[@reginalb124]

It will drain the battery very quickly, but still will make good power.

[@calbert1735]

Interesting video and well presented. HP content for sure.

[@Joe_Blo]

So, five months after this video, I bought a P262 HP impact wrench and needed a battery. There's a sticker on the bottom of the tool that state to use ONLY the batteries noted in the instructions. Which I couldn't find. Or to use the P197, but that's a non HP battery that lacks HP terminals. -The compact P195 4AH battery, the only one with 21700 cells has been tested with the P262 and shown to provide the highest current and thus highest torque output. But, it is not available anywhere now, not HD, or even on eBay. I found it in a few combo kits in a few stores across the country only after some effort. -There's another new 'High Performance' battery with 18650s. I have no clue what's new (or better) about it. But its not labeled Lithium+ or HP. -I tested the P262 with my older P102 battery packs. It didn't operate properly. They do not provide enough current, I suspect. -So, I ended up buying a new-in-package P191 3AH HP battery on eBay for $30, for now. It seemed the cheapest option until I could make some sense out if Ryobi's fustercluck battery schemes. I am aware that there are currently lithium battery shortages due to covid related supply chain issues and more electric cars being manufactured, and other related issues. I have to wonder: Did Ryobi bail on the 21700 cells due to shortages, or issues with that configuration, or do they cost too much to use? I don't know. What I do know is that Ryobi really needs to get it's act together and straighten out their battery mess. Tool buyers shouldn't have to research for days which battery provides the best performance for their new tools, especially HP tools. They didn't even bother color coding HP batteries to HP tools. Personally, I regret buying the P262. I bought it for a one time repair where I cant use a cheater bar, and may just sell it on eBay after I'm done, due to battery confusion and go back to using a cheater bar for the few rare times I need a mid torque impact. Bad, Ryobi. Bad.

[@WorkshopAddict]

I think the change it Ryobi battery labeling has them all messed up.

[@bobmoore5242]

Show us the difference in lock down torque with a P262 using the new high performance battery and an older style battery.

[@FunAtDisney]

I just saw this - Excellent overview of Ryobi batteries, honestly the best I’ve seen! I knew about the Dewalt batteries and understood the amp-hour differences, but didn’t realize Ryobi was playing the same game (HP vs. “High Performance). I was looking at getting the new combo kit at HD for $229 (ONE+ HP 18V Brushless Cordless 1/2 in. Hammer Drill/Driver and Impact Driver Kit with (2) Batteries, Charger, & Bag) and just double checked and that kit does come with the new High Performance batteries, a 2ah & 4ah which for me at this point is perfect. I already have corded saws and pneumatic brad nailer so I won’t need super high powered batteries. I think an important point is that if you live in an average tract home and have outdoor outlets as I do, having corded miter, table and even a circular saw is often better and less expensive. It also lets you get whatever brand fits your needs the best, no being tied down to a single line because of batteries. Figure out what cordless tools you really need and the power that you’ll need. I had mentioned before my Black & Decker Matrix set has served me well for many years, all with 20v 2ah batteries (including cutting through Trek decking like butter, driving 3” through 4x4 posts and a lot more). So I have figured out for me what cordless hand power tools I need which may be different for others and certainly contractors. So again, thank you for this wonderful clarification, it has really helped in what I need to look for!!

[@atomicdmt8763]

HP to high performance...........huh. Glad I watched this! thanks

[@TheCharleseye]

The brushless angle grinders seem to be a waste of money, honestly. My brushed Ryobi angle grinder works with all my tools and the motor doesn't cut out. It cuts everything I need it to, including occasionally splitting a cast iron bathtub. It enjoys a natural boost from larger batteries, due to more cells allowing more amps but I can run it on a 1.5Ah battery for small stuff, in a pinch.

[@h82crash]

Small batteries don't work with high amp draw tools, especially with lithium batteries. Lithium cells cannot withstand a big voltage drop. There is a low voltage cutout circuit in the battery pack to protect the cells. The higher amp hour batteries can provide more amps at a smaller voltage drop and will activate the cutout less often.

[@avlisk]

Thanks so much for this video. I didn't understand, but now I do. I bought a Ryobi drill/impact set with a 4ah HP battery. Oddly, neither tool has the extra pins, but the battery does. I typically use the 1.3 and 1.5 ah batteries, and they've been OK for my occasional DYI use.(I have a lot of them now, and they do require frequent changing.) I have a half dozen Ryobi tools now, and none have the extra pins.

[@avlisk]

"charging"

[@WorkshopAddict]

Glad it helped

[@ThatOneGuyMatt]

This break down was excellent.

[@castledomeknives9395]

Great video.....but your shop/ setup is the real attraction... especially that John Deere tractor.... I'm currently looking for one to surprise my Father

[@jeffnorbert1871]

More Power! So most people are going to wind up with some 1.5 and 2ah batteries. They'll work fine on some of the tools that don't need max power. I have the P262 1/2 inch impact wrench and bought the last 2 pack of P191 3ah HP batteries. No doubt in my mind that they are enough for this tool in most applications. The tool is rated to 600 or so lb/ft and I doubt I'll ever need much over 300. The 191 batteries have 2 rows of 18650s. The newer compact HP's are said to have one row of a bit larger battery in the 3+4ah size. The total wattage supplied by the 191s is said to be higher. Whatever, it just gets irritating. If I need more than the 191s I'll have a 4ah HP when I grab the hammer drill kit. What's nice about the new HP tools is their upper limits are beyond what most people are going to be using them for. Generally speaking. Like having a V8 in your pickup when a 6 can do the job.

[@ScotchAddict35]

Ryobi has been notorious for this. For the longest time they never included the HP batteries with the brushless tools when selling as a kit. Makes no damn sense to me. They still do that! Oh well. Forever Milwaukee!

[@JAMESJJEFFERS]

Milwaukee and Ryobi are made by the same people 😂😂😂😂😂

[@1fellowmellow]

@@JAMESJJEFFERS not to the same standards though. Ryobi are bottom tier disposable tools.

[@davidlee3187]

@@1fellowmellow lol, I have 20 year old Ryobi tools that work better than new due to the vastly improved batteries available, so, not really.

[@robertshatto2995]

Very nice information, I was wondering why my string trimmer was going dead quick,I don't have any of the new batteries,,,thank you for explanation,,,

[@wayneb5114]

Tried older and newer HP battery comparison. Really did not make a difference in a brushless hammer drill. Went back to older brushed drill. Has much more power.

[@AndrewKahnn]

Makes sense brother!

[@mmbodnar]

Great explanation for a complex set-up. They almost need some type of additional name for the tools that have and use the 2 additional pins.. call it "Ryo-BOOST' or something catchy. The concept of a larger Ah pack for larger tool 'should' be well known these days. The more cells in parallel then the less each cell has to push out for the higher the Amp draw tools which makes a huge difference in the voltage sag (and cut-out) effect. The 9Ah at full demand of about 15A will pull only 5A per bank of cells and will have very little voltage sag and energy loss to heat. The same 15A draw on the 4Ah and 2Ah pack will pull out 7.5A and 15A out of each 5-cell bank respectively with an increasing voltage drop and energy loss due to heat.

[@sooperdan]

I built my house with ryobi tools, I have 3 tools that are still blue( skill saw, recip saw, and a drill) that came with the old nicad batteries, I did buy a 2 pack of 4Ah lithium+ batteries which I still use all the time, been working great for 8 years now, the batteries I love now are those 9ah lithium + hp, which now that I know they changing things up, I’m going to buy a couple more…

[@btrswt35]

I agree, this is going to hurt Ryobi more. Ryobi has always been more of a homeowner tool and they are really getting into some grey area by trying to be more prosumer/semi contractor grade. I think this will hurt them more than benefit them, at least initialy. Perhaps some better branding, like different color battery cases or accent color, could go a long way to differentiate between the batteries (?).

[@WorkshopAddict]

That is the way they are moving with Black being standard and a silver being High Performance. But convince a guy that a 2.0 Ah high Performance battery wont run his High Performance Angle Grinder if he has little experience. Most would just think less runtime.

[@btrswt35]

@@WorkshopAddict agreed

[@CanadianCampPurr]

@@WorkshopAddict just ordered a ryobi 18v mitre saw tool only, thinking i could buy an adaptor to fit my black & decker 20v 1.5ah batteries. Your video made me realize that the B&D 1.5AH will not power the mitre saw. Looks like i will have to shell out another $200 for a 6AH or more ryobi battery.

[@El_Diablo_LI]

​@@CanadianCampPurrRyobi batteries have historically been some of the cheapest on the market. So I don't think you'll need to spend $200 for a Ryobi battery. And if you purchase them during the special sales Home Depot has throughout the year, you can get them at a great price. An example is the new High Performance battery kit, that's still on sale up to 7/15 for Ryobi Days, that included the 2AH, 4AH and 6AH batteries along with a charger and a bag was going for $199. But if you "hacked" this deal by picking the most expensive free tool, and then returned the free tool, the battery kit ended up costing around $100. I think that's very reasonable for 3 High Performance batteries. You can still get this kit online with the free tool. Pick the most expensive tool that's being offered with the deal, and return it to the store after it gets delivered to your house. I've done this many times with Ryobi tools but also with Milwaukee, Rigid and Makita tools when the free tools that are being offered aren't something I really want or need.

[@markcluff7104]

Thank you for explaining this.

[@matteagle8206]

I use the mid torque, rotary hammer, and the mini grinder with the 4ah HP batteries professionally in the trades and they work perfectly, no hiccups whatsoever, mini grinder cutting some cast iron pipe, rotary hammer drilling anchor holes, and impact cutting cast pipe and installing concrete anchors etc

[@stu-po]

The HP compatible tools need a LED warning light that says and HP battery is not inserted.

[@WorkshopAddict]

That is a great idea! A warning that the battery is not up to par for that tool! Great idea.

[@timraber6575]

I have been buying several new batteries for my collection, replacing small one with the larger one. I have a couple of 6 amp batteries that work better with the HP line. As I get older, its hard to justify the cost of new batteries when I already have plenty of the older ones. My theory over the past several years is to buy 3 amp or above. I have found close out for a good price from time to time. Several years ago, they offered a free tool with two batteries. Just too much for me to turn down. I think those deals will not be coming back anytime soon. Thanks for the video.

[@MattyGgardneR]

That deal is back! Started yesterday as far as I can tell. $99

[@timraber6575]

@@MattyGgardneR I’m planning on making a run to Home Depot next week for a couple of new batteries. I’m not sure what free tool I will get. Just this week I picked up a couple of the small fans. I was so excited!!!!!

[@DavidStrchld]

It's a annual event called Ryobi days

[@jtjtrs8806]

Yes I found that out , the bigger battery’s make a huge difference,

[@BerettaM9A4-64]

That’s why I’m switching to Dewalt 20v

[@kirbyspencer538]

When they change the labelling from 'HP' to 'High Performance' will they also be changing the battery model numbers?

[@WorkshopAddict]

Yes, the battery numbers will get much longer.

[@jeffpriest9955]

Yes I dont know why but instead of just P191 or so like the older batteries, it will be PBP002, PBP03, etc... for the newer style batteries.

[@daver.4990]

So, they are only giving the 6ah and 9ah batteries the high output circuitry? Because that's the only way to limit output. Four 18650 battery versus eight 18650's does not change performance if the circuitry connecting to the tool is the same, right?

[@Gracebeliever077]

9:49 Not bumblin'. Drivin' the point home. Thanks.

[@theusconstitution1776]

Can you take those two batteries apart because four amp hours or nine amp hours still deliver 18 V to run the tool? And if the new high-performance batteries deliver 20 V well that’s would give you more power but 18 V is 18 V? Even though the little entrance batteries are garbage

[@mgdiddy9466]

well after that explanation its baffling that Ryobi sells the P262 impact wrench in a combo with a non HP 2.0 battery and charger

[@fortun8diamond]

So does the new High-performace batteries solve all the problems?

[@WorkshopAddict]

No, the reality is you need the 6Ah High performance and above.

[@russiandude6454]

I have Ryobi 1hp one+ cut off tool with zip disk on it. I can't even cut through mesh (very thin metal sheet 7 by 7 feet with 3 by 3 inch squares, used for shoring) and I can't cut through it keeps STALLING. Even on a Thin piece of rebar! I have a big 18v battery hooked up. I also have a small battery and same problem.

[@31K4L]

What about the other way around. Will my older tools run off the new hp line batteries?

[@misterritter9854]

I mean the hp connectors are definitely a bit confusing, the fact that you need a larger Ah battery for bigger tools/tasks is a given with any cordless tool though.

[@Brooke95482]

It would be nice to know the model numbers for the tools with the HP contacts and those without the HP contacts.

[@yoshi2tvmes]

then they couldnt scam people into buying hp batteries thinking they need them.

[@salvadorsanchez6697]

I just bought the two drill set of Ryobi One + HP Brushless PBLCK01K. I am disappointed after seeing this video but i am honestly yet to use them. I have less than 24 hours with them. What exact battery do I need to get more power? I trust your judgement so I won’t mind having at least one stronger battery.

[@southparklion]

Different batteries have different sources; not surprisingly most people advise that you avoid the generic cells from China. If they say products from Japan, Korea, or Malaysia, you have a non-generic cell that should be more robust. I imagine that the part numbers elucidate this, but I am not able to crack the code...

[@craftsmantrucker6867]

The Ryobi 3AH lithium+HP Compact (21,700 Cells) is what I use to run my old P238 brushless 3 speed impact driver and my old P251 Brushless Hammer Drill that's the only Ryobi Tools I have so far the rest of my tools are DeWalts dcf887 & dcf888 3 speed impact driver running them on 5ah, I got dcf801 Xtreme 12V w/ 3ah 12V Brushless impact driver, dcf996 Brushless Hammer Drill and I'm running it on 8ah (don't 60v need flex volt) also I owns and using DeWalt brushless XR 7-1/4" Circular Saw also runs it on 8ah 20V battery. And my corded tools are DeWalt corded Worm Drive Circular Saw, Skil Worm drive corded circular saw, Hitachi 12" Dual bevel Sliding miter saw and Hitachi 10" Jobsite table saw. For the Ryobi tools that I own only 2 of they're running good enough on the P191 18V battery 3ah compact +HP 21700 cells. I never had any bigger Ryobi 9ah batteries neither 6ah. It's always up to the users whatever that works for them.

[@MCSapp-fj2jn]

In general, why are these companies pushing 1.5 & 2.0 ah batteries down your throat with these combo kits ? 🤔

[@WorkshopAddict]

So you have to go back to the store and buy larger batteries. Huge profit in battery sales.

[@ZupE891]

Seems like they are still giving out the older batteries when ever you get a tool that comes with a battery.. frustrating that they dont come with HP batteries still. For example I just bought the ryobi dethacher and it comes with 2 older batteries.

[@dyer2cycle]

..I'm not having very good luck with these new batteries...bought several of them on sale when they first came out, now 2 of them won't charge, say defective pack, both have very little use. Unfortunately, I bought them more than 90 days ago, so no warranty from home depot...if the others go kaput prematurely that I bought, I am done with Ryobi.The previous batteries were very good, but they can't leave well enough alone...

[@theusconstitution1776]

The low amp hour batteries are junk I think they use those to sell you newer bigger batteries because the circuitry inside let’s say that battery you wear it down and it’s dead and you put her decide and don’t charge it for two weeks once that voltage goes drops another 10th of a volt the circuitry disconnects the battery so you can never charge it again you have to Shockett with another 18 V battery and then it’ll go back in the to working order but most people don’t know that and you run out and buy bigger batteries for $80 apiece. Can you take one of those new batteries apart so you can show us what more power is? I mean if there are eight cells in that battery eight cells or eight cells now if there are two extra cells in the high-performance battery that would give you more power? Thanks for your video very good though

[@thebluelunarmonkey]

Thanks for this! was looking at the 3/8" long reach ratchet and more importantly, the two 1/2" drive impact wrenches: P262 (600ft-lb BA/450ft-lb drive) and PBLIW01B (1170ft-lb BA/700ft-lb drive). So basically need the 6ah or 9ah High Performance. Do you suspect there's a significant difference in torque with the 6AH vs 9AH?

[@sidsteverson1005]

Have you seen torque test’s video on the ryobi batteries? The difference in the new 4ah High performance and the 9ah HP is astonishing. On the impact (rated for 1170), the 9aH would keep a 100 ft/lb. lead over the 4aH at some points during the test runs. Also I really love the long ratchet. It’s fantastic for running off nuts even with just a 2aH HP battery

[@thebluelunarmonkey]

@@sidsteverson1005 I have the 6Ah High Performance and 9Ah HP. I wound up getting the 2 long necks as they came as a set, on sale. pblrc01 and pblrc25. And the dcf899 1/2" impact. You're talking about the TTC's video where ryobi called them up and told them they shouldn't be using the supplied 4Ah? Yup remember that video! The 9Ah uses three parallel strings of 5 cells in series, where the 6AH has only two parallel strings of 5 cells in series. So, on paper, the 9Ah can deliver 50% more amps. I also use a small battery for my ratchets, I just don't want to stress them. I'll break something free with a ratchet. Like you mention, I just love the time savings for running off nuts/bolts from a lot of threads.

[@stove2020]

Are they coming out with a high power version of the 6ah up battery ? (Like the 4ah)

[@WorkshopAddict]

Yes, High Performance will replace all HP batteries.

[@reginalb124]

Torque Test Channel dispelled some of the claims you're making about battery size. I don't get why so many people think that higher CAPACITY in a battery automatically means higher draw. It just doesn't. Unfortunately you're leading people to spend money they don't have to. Actually, that mid torque preformed best with a DeWalt battery.

[@jps101574]

How many cells does the 6.0 battery have? Does it have 3 rows of 2.0 cells or does it have 2 rows of 3.0 cells? Could you take it apart? I have heard conflicting info online. I am still curious why the 6.0 outperformed the 4.0 battery. If they have the same number of cells, the performance should be the same.

[@WorkshopAddict]

I can take it apart. This is a similar situation to the Milwaukee CP batteries that are able to have a higher amp output. everything is limited to battery output and battery controller chip. The cells are different between a 6.0 and a 4.0 if they have the same number of cells, if they have different numbers of cells, there is a extra bank of cells to keep the voltage higher during a high amp pull.

[@TheCalebcope]

My in HP brushless 1/4 impact doesn't have the two extra tabs like my old 1/4 impact brushless. I wonder why.

[@christiannorwik]

🙋‍♂️ Long story short from my experience. I prefer 3ah HP with 21700 cells over new ones with 18650. I’ve noticed when I need this additional umpf 21700 is way to go on 18V platform even when tool don’t have additional pins.

[@yoshi2tvmes]

what about the 4ah HP batteries out now? Do those have the 21700 cells?

[@nktreleaven]

Interesting that ryobi rep told me the 2 prongs are for communication only. No extra power. Also lager amp hour battery extends battery life, not power output...

[@Naeromusic]

Oh man, in Iceland they haven't started selling the ONE+ batteries so I was forced to get a Lithium 5.0+ with my mid torque ryobi (I think USA equivalent is the P262) and I was a bit disappointed with that I have to wait for them to be available here :(

[@Craigpv2d]

The newer tools have built in monitors that prevent smoking the battery or the tool itself. No matter how many amps a tool draws, that amperage draw is split equally between each cell in the battery pack. Most hand tools use battery packs that are made up of individual AA cells. These cells have a limit to the amount of current they can deliver safely before they overheat, (or in the case of a "Smart Tool", the tool stops working before destroying the battery or tool. Batteries don't like heat. So, with a larger Amp/hour battery, (more cells), it can put out more current, (at the same voltage), than a smaller battery and with less heat. Unlike NiCads or Alkaline batteries that are basically self regulating as far as current goes, and will just run slower and slower until they are dead, Lithium batteries will usually run flat out until a certain point and then just stop with no notice, (because of the built in protection circuits). Lithium batteries can provide extremely high currents if allowed and if unregulated, can melt or explode. I could go on but the ALL batteries have their pros and cons. Ni-Cads have fallen out of favor because of their lower peak current output than Lithium batteries and the move away from Cadmium because of the waste disposal issues. Hand tool manufacturers want to list the peak power of their tools even though most people don't use them that way. A 120 volt corded, tool will beat all of the battery tools any day, but you have an extension cord to deal with, but you don't have to deal with recharging batteries. Then there are things like pneumatic or powder actuated tools. To give you an example, I inherited a Skillsaw worm gear drive, circular saw after my father died. He used this for 30 years. Recently, my girlfriend hired her 18 yo grandson and his friend, to tear down our old deck. They started in with some battery jig saws. After watching them and resisting the urge to say they were taking too long, I offered up my SkillSaw with a Carbide tipped blade. In 15 minutes they were done! If you talk to any professional tradesperson, they will default to a corded tool if they can, especially for a big/long job.

[@untermench3502]

The new batteries work much better than the old 2 AH ones. Using brushless tools also helps battery life.

[@guillaumepare9651]

TBH, the biggest problem is ryobi totally fail to communicate the information on their website. They have a collection of batteries series. Another one will be added with their upcoming HP serie (another). They should make a table (spreadsheet) with all the info, so we can understand the differenves and all the benefits of one serie or another. Same with their huge collection of chargers. Only within the last decade, home many models they had? What are the differences? That's for the 18V tools only... As of today, if someone want to start equiping himself, I, presonally, recommand rigid over ryobi. A bit more pricey but: still low budget lifetime warranty globally better tools (not always). Dunno elsewhere but in Canada rigid sales are a tad better than the ryobi ones since a few years.

[@rejeanpaquet4375]

I'm confused, your're saying that they are 2 types of HP (High Performance) batteries. The 4.0Ah HP I just purchased today on eBay is model P192, is there a newer model for the 4.0Ah HP? smaller but same capacity? model#?

[@WorkshopAddict]

I am saying that any battery with a name on it of HP will be replaced with a new battery that will have a name wrote on it of High Performance. The new battery will be the same Ah rating, but allow for better current draw.

[@ianjay4596]

My question is, do the new tools that need the new batteries come with those tools in the combo kits? That's kind of a deciding factor

[@WorkshopAddict]

I am going to say no. Ryobi ALWAYS has inexpensive combo kits with small batteries. Most of these are bare tool right now.

[@Gambo916]

Hi, can you please tell me the model number of the (I'm guessing 1/2") HP impact wrench you are holding @5:29 please. I'm trying to source one here in the UK but can't find a comparable model. Many Thanks.

[@WorkshopAddict]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bn6maKiobcSNppo

[@Gambo916]

@@WorkshopAddict Many Thanks Doood, really appreciate it. It's not available in the UK, so looks like I'm gonna have to order it in the U.S. and get it shipped over the pond.

[@senivan22]

So far home depot are pretty good on mentioning about ryobi hp battery every time I pick it up a new ryobi hp tool.

[@zespopiesniitanca3554]

Gear housing on a drill is painted plastic or cast metal (as is the case with impact driver)?

[@truthteller3288]

I love Ryobi products there very affordable and good for DIYers and some of there products like the P262 and 1/4 impact driver are in my opinion are for pro's I've used them in the industrial field but there 1/2 brushless HP+ drill is absolutely junk it lack torque. I compare it to my black and decker brush motor I bought years ago, very disappointing.

[@H-RutherfordHill]

Does Ryobi make a 6ah high performance battery? I can only find the 6ah high capacity.

[@WorkshopAddict]

Not at this time.

[@Jenuin]

I wish you demonstrated each battery that’s right in front of you. I think you may have miss an awesome opportunity to help get your videos point across.

[@cyc00000]

amp-hour is a unit of electric charge used to describe the capacity, it has nothing to do with how much grunt the drill will have when using a battery with a higher rated amp-hour. When i was into to RC cars the C rating was the measure of max and safe continuous discharge rate of the battery. A 2Ah battery with a C rating of 100 had more grunt than a 6Ah battery with a 30 C rating.

[@WorkshopAddict]

You are correct, but what you are leaving out and what is hard to tell people based off the Ah battery is what cell is used. Many of the larger batteries have higher output ratings for amp output. So, in short, you will find that higher amp hour batteries will have a higher amp output at this time in the tool world. There are a few that stand out, like the Milwaukee 6Ah that seems to have a higher amp output than the 8Ah battery. The amp hour number is more of a name for this video. How else would we talk clearly about the batteries? Call them by the model number and confuse everyone?

[@ZupE891]

Do I need a 6ah battery for the 18v blowers and trimmers?

[@WorkshopAddict]

YES, 9Ah being better.

[@RRKS]

I was under the impression that the HP line of batteries use batteries with a higher current rate which means they can draw power faster, i.e higher RPM, Higher torque etc. I read somewhere that the standard one+ batteries use 18650 batteries while the HP series use 21700. The 21700 does have a higher energy density as well as C-rate. So to be clear.. Any battery that claims to be HP, should have a higher performance than any non HP, as long as the tool can draw the extra amount of current. If they don't.. They're lying. The size of the battery does NOT mean anything else than it can be used for a longer time between recharges.

[@benmadsen8739]

Is this the case for 36V Ryobi as well?

[@aaronporter2180]

this definitely makes the Ryobi line less attractive to a newbie consumer.

[@WorkshopAddict]

To the new consumer looking at price and hoping he never needs the $150 battery. Right!

[@Wrencheasy]

@@WorkshopAddict I think Ryobi has far more/better tool deals at least they have in the past. I got a 9AH for $80 a couple years ago. A top of the line Milwaukee is $220 for a 12AH, insane.

[@50calBeowulf]

Will the new batteries need a new charger?

[@will2071]

Great review. Just bought some high performance 4ah batteries for my brushless hammer drill and brushless impact driver. Already had a couple of 6ah for the recip. My regular 4ah batteries are fine for the older drill and impact. Everything works fine with the correct battery as you said.