My SIL said something when arguing with my wife..

[@نيشا-د2م]

S1: leave her ASAP. OP’s not in the wrong whatsoever for wanting to leave her. She lied about being infertile & even aborted his child. There’s a woman out there who does want exactly what OP want & staying with her is just gonna cause resentment to build within OP. The longer you stay with her, the more resentments is going to build & the more you were going to hate the decision you made.

[@randolphwh9551]

It's sad AF she used him for her first kid n lied to get n keep him as a meal ticket while not giving baby of his own she brought him in as a cleanup guy n from jump had zero intentions of having his kid glad he has self respect

[@josephsmith2417]

Haha… dude was “pro-choice” Zero sympathy, he is cool when other people abort babies, but gets upset when it happens to him. Hahaha. What’s good for the goose? No? Liberal men are so pathetic.

[@FullContactCoder]

Well, you are assuming that OP will be able to afford a family now that he will be on the hook to support that lecherous C U N T financially going forward.

[@johnbutler1323]

The ex wife was still hooking up with her baby daddy. There's a good chance the aborted baby wasn't even OP's.

[@godking]

The issue is that she lied to him for 4 years and would have continued lying had her sister not blurted out her secret.

[@cavey001]

S1: Evil woman. Deserves to be alone forever.

[@MrBmic]

S1: She probably terminated the baby because she didn't know who the father was. Nothing but trash.

[@FrutoseDeMorango]

Don't use the word "terminated", you know very well what she did and it's a heinous crime

[@HumanB312]

@@FrutoseDeMorangono name so no life. Not a baby

[@scaredpaul540]

Story 2: DNA test before signing birth certificate...looks like baby trapping last option for her

[@Spleenatron9]

She's 12 weeks pregnant, tf you mean baby trapping 😂

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@Spleenatron9You can baby trap, by doing non consensual acts before or during sex, or passing off another man’s kid as his own. It’s like the top of the totem pole of evil a women can do to a man commonly

[@bobfg3130]

​@@Spleenatron9 Look ot up.

[@ketienne1021]

​@Spleenatron9 like that stops from pinning a baby that isn't his onto him.

[@BraveryWing26]

"Another Child Wil Be Raised In A Broken Family..." This is so sad. I know divorce REALLY IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION but its still sad.

[@OsoBlanco17]

Damn man that first story was a level of evil that I can’t even comprehend. Screw someone out of ever having kids of their own AND cheat on them WITH the deadbeat baby daddy??

[@JBTFan124]

Story 2: why would you want to be with someone who would give up custody of her own kids?

[@adriane8565]

The wife didn't make a mistake, she made a series of choices. The only mistake was on the sister's part by spilling the beans. He needs to run away quickly

[@dcg590]

No, the only mistake is op married a single mother

[@HumanB312]

The sister didn't make a mistake

[@kilamkam]

Story 1: This shxt really takes a certain level of evil.. To do this to a man and force him to give up on ever having a child of his own.. Just so you can stay in shape and not miss fkn YOGA with the dude you're cheating on him with.. Now this dude gotta start over with another woman at 38yrs old to have a kid, when he could have had a 6yr old by now....

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

Honestly 38 is not that old for a man. We have our gold decade in our 30's.

[@kilamkam]

​@@JohnSmith-bs9ymIt's not, but from 32-38 he was def supposed to have at least one kid.. He could have had three by now, if not for this bxtch....

[@FullContactCoder]

@@JohnSmith-bs9ym It's not the age, it's the fact he will now be supporting two households financially going forward.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@JohnSmith-bs9ymYea bro sperm is crazy resilient, literal “indomitable human spirit”

[@bobfg3130]

​@@FullContactCoder He won't be.

[@009AWB]

Can’t tolerate a chronic liar.

[@rinslittlesheepling1652]

"My parents think it was a mistake, and want me to forgive her" "My parents think I shouldn't tell kid who is her father is, because I am not her parents" HUh, what an interesting position they have... They want him to go back after something so awful, but in the same time they think he is not kids's dad, despite raising her, and has no rights to tell her the truth. Insanity.

[@SeymourJ.MetzShmuel]

Story 1: seek an anullment on the grounds of fraud. Story 2: Omerta is not a family value. Tell her the truth. She needs to know that it was her mothers actions that made it unsafe to stay married and only her mother should feel guilty. It is easy for children to feel that something they did caused a divorce, and if you care for her then you must explain that she has no reason to feel guilty.

[@JBKShadow09]

OP1’s wife is a horrible person and her sister is almost as bad for hiding her secrets until she could conveniently use them against her in an argument, as well as being resistant to telling him the rest of what she knew after revealing half of the truth.

[@MrToubrouk]

Story 1: Her body, her choice, her consequences.

[@brendadickson9583]

True that

[@StillAwesome21]

NEVER DATE A SINGLE MOTHER!

[@l-l-l-l-l-l-l]

The lesson here is don't marry single mom. Both OP is story 1 and 2 will be far more happier if they didn't chase single mom.

[@NeoCreo1]

I mean does that not also apply to OP 2? He’s a single dad.

[@l-l-l-l-l-l-l]

@@NeoCreo1 single dad rarely got custody and those who do jump through hoops to get there so only those who are really good came out the other side.

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

​@@NeoCreo1it does, I've seen woman suffer with step kids treating them badly because they don't accept their father moved on, and dealing with drama with the baby momma that don't accept that the man moved. The stigma is smaller because women don't care biologically that much if the guy already has children as long as he can provide for her children as much or more as he provide for the other women children. And because men rarely get kids custody so they can pretend that the kid is a nephew or something. And when the guy is a simp she manages to make the father ignore the child.

[@glintspark7748]

The problem is that she’s a lying POS, there’s plenty of Single moms that are single due to being a widow or things outside their control. It also entirely depends on age you’re meeting your future wife, if you’re in your 30s alot more men & women are gonna have kids unfortunately.

[@diffsnicker]

​@@l-l-l-l-l-l-l single dad can easily get custody if mom wants nothing to do with the kid. Thats what happened to me. Then she came back and tried to take me away when I was 10 years old. Despite my crying begging and pleading with CPS workers lawyers and a judge she still got half custody. Our justice system loves creating broken children. I had to spend half my childhood with two strangers that didn't really care about me.

[@roninsamurai8128]

Op should divorce his parents too

[@toadman5184]

Story 1: Hire a PI, gather lots of evidence for the divorce, wash your hands of her. Story 2: Get the pregnancy DNA tested, but also consider trying to make it work with your wife, she was put in an impossible situation, and she didn't do anything wrong. He idiot son did, and he's a child.

[@BraveryWing26]

I heard this story elsewhere but Natalie was monstruous to do this to OP and he is within his right to leave ASAP.

[@PatrickReed-d3i]

Dudes in denial. She literally killed your child. Sorry, but that’s unforgivable in my book. His wife is evil.

[@CL-Lynn]

First story is perfect example of "female liberation and it's consequences"

[@nephastgweiz1022]

She's intersted in what he provides, but absolutely not interested in his genes.

[@agx8447]

I’ll never understand why people believe it’s somehow a right to murder an unborn child, one which you yourself conceived. Plus, abortion takes a huge toll on the body regardless so it’s not even that much better in that regard.

[@paulefstathiou1819]

Cheaters , Liars , and Thieves ; all rolled into one !!

[@JBTFan124]

I thought this would be a cheating story. This is worse than cheating

[@brendadickson9583]

Me too 😢

[@thomasprogli3372]

It is also a cheating story. She is still ducking her boss.

[@Nightro-Fx]

My honest reaction to the first story: 😮>😵> 😱> 💀

[@fishnkidneys583]

S1: Situation is nuts. If she did this stuff and cheated, he needs to get out now before he's on the hook for more alimony. Not sure how it works in Canada, but a lot of US would make him pay child support for the daughter without guaranteeing that he would have visitation rights. S2: That's a serious situation, but it only happened once and the woman broke her family to try and fix it. He's the A-hole after that, esp. when he found out she was pregnant. Would get paternity test, but he refused to budge after realizing that she responded how almost every mother would against a step-father. She cleared it up later, but he was already gone. Sounds like he was looking for an excuse to move on and she gave one.

[@Haxkarl]

Story 1 is all kinds of fucked up. Holy is this even real........

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

The degree of FUness makes it sound real to me.

[@StillAwesome21]

Always iffy with these reddot stories, a lot of them are exaggerated.

[@holeymcsockpuppet]

S2: Honesty, if my bio-kid destroyed my marriage as a manipulation tactic, I would get rid of him/her too. Any child that would do this is a risk to have in my life. If my bio-child accused me? I go to jail. Kid's accusations have too much power now. Is it cruel? Yes. But how do you parent from jail? Best to go NC/LC.

[@thomasprogli3372]

We went from not believing and not making a thorough investigation to believing and still not making a thorough investigation. Guess what is the common denominator.

[@reyhaze5044]

The unhinged Woke reddit comments though...

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

Keep going MGTOW Gentlemen. There's nothing good out there.

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

Story 2: Divorce ASAP.

[@JBTFan124]

Lol of course she's a Yoga instructer

[@Spleenatron9]

Story 2 is exactly the reason people always say not to date single parents. Now there are two axes upon which the relationship can implode. They can end the relationship or their kids can. Especially the case if you both have kids. And now they'll both ALSO be coparenting a 4th child..... Very interesting situation 😅

[@thomasprogli3372]

The issue is in the past many victims of abuse did not have their cases properly investigated … the wording was “nobody believed them”. Now everybody is encouraged to believe every allegedly victim no matter what. Now we have a lot of false allegations. The solution is to make thorough investigations.

[@Horroshow1895]

S2: Just a terrible mom who did not raise her kids well and then when they became a burden she thought "well, I'll get rid of them now cause my marriage matters more"

[@dcg590]

S 1- op, take the college fund. It’s YOUR MONEY. Do not find anything for that pos. Kaya’s dad is. It being g the dad because you, op, simped up and married her. Be a man, divorce her, fight for yourself and hire a bulldog lawyer. No alimony or child support , not your kid. Fight for your house. She deserves nothing

[@stertrack520]

I hope the first OP didn't kill himself because he really sound like someone who is losing it.

[@Esther-lm6pm]

When there are issues, talk to family/friends. It's more information to help you decide

[@saintoflastresorts2272]

Your body, your choice. Divorce her.

[@thomasprogli3372]

S1: use the information he has to blackmail the ex-wife into a favorable separation and then go nuclear.

[@DASUPERCATMAN1]

S2:Poor mom she was in a lose lose situation. Op didnt do anything wrong though. The son ruined everything. Who would lie about something like that.

[@ColeTurner-sr8mc]

I told my grandson that the best advice I could ever give him was, "If it has wheels or titties you will eventually need to trade it in for a newer model when it starts to become more trouble than it's worth!"

[@paulefstathiou1819]

Irresponsible adults need to stop their immature and selfish , thoughtless , behavior !!

[@dcg590]

S 1- she terminated because he wasn’t the father she’s lying about wanting to stay fit also. Believe NOTHING she says.

[@BlueAversion]

The bit about telling Kaya who her Dad is - I have to agree with OP’s parents on that. That will just look vindictive whatever way OP tries to do it. When Kaya’s older, maybe tell her if she asks but otherwise let that one lie.

[@miceltusav88]

Nah man... the wife had gone nuclear by lying to that degree, least he can do is give that energy right back.

[@frankconley6321]

Run. Ignore everyone saying otherwise. They are either simps or evil.

[@Bigotsandwich1995]

If he wants them and she don't you either work it out or break up, you don't take all control away from your partner and steal the choice away from them

[@bobfg3130]

S2:Her daughter didn't do anything. Her son is to blame. For the new kid get a paternity test.

[@brendadickson9583]

Op's wife is totally wrong for aborting his baby😢😢😢😢

[@daveo1808]

Imagine lying to your wife and trick her into thinking she can't get pregnant because you have a vasectomy and then once she founds out your lie years after your marriage she decides to leave you, but she has to pay him for the next 10+ years of alimony because he stayed at home watching his previous wives child. Imagine all that and that is what OP had to deal with, looks much different from the other side.

[@johnbalogna803]

One file for divorce. Two sue the her yoga boss for alienation of effection and for back child support for $$ you spent raising his kid. Sucks that you will get stuck with alimoney while she refused to hold her kids dad responsible for child support. Tell her if she fights the divorce or demands alimkney or wont give you access to your "daughter" you'll lay it all out in court and expose her bull shit for all to see!

[@sguizzooo]

S1: she wasn't on birth control because she didn't want another baby, she didn't want to risk it being ryan's and exposing her affair. S2: i'd say both the son and the wife have learned their lesson so i'd actually be in favor of forgiving them and reconciling... after a paternity test on the new baby...

[@cyllakjaw]

Bad men may be violent, but bad women own evil.

[@philipturner9087]

S1 - She lied to the man and yes she has the right to her own body but that doesn’t excuse the lie. Their whole marriage is based on that lie. Yes it’s her body but that doesn’t excuse she killed his child the baby might have been in her body but 50% of that child was the DNA of the father.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

The problem is, she aborted his kid without his permission....

[@josephsmith2417]

@elee… that’s how works. Woman gets final say. Thats why you don’t marry “pro abortion” feminists. This guy is getting exactly what he deserves… already a step dad too. Haha.

[@JRBDWD]

NO. You don't have any right to K1LL your own child.

[@JRBDWD]

​@@eleethtahgra7182She k1lled her child. That's motive enough.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@@JRBDWD the problem is, OP agree with such stance. Thus, another logic has to be used. She abort HIS child.

[@tioraytm]

She misses your money and that's about all. His wife is probably still seeing her ex behind your back. OMG I was right!

[@mariobrito427]

S1: textbook example of alpha effs beta bucks

[@fishin4bogey]

Gentlemen....stay away from single moms.

[@Scrantonicity2]

Unfortunate but that what happens when you pick up scraps, never date single moms, they ain’t worth the baggage if they ain’t gonna bring anything but that to the table the least they can agree to is give you your own child, but this is far more complicated than, poor bastard.

[@lacroix922]

S2 nta she don’t want her kids she just want the stability of ops finances

[@HomeDefender30]

Dude if your pro choice you don’t get to have a say…. Her body right? She made the choice…. You agree with the ideology, now live with the consequences.

[@sgv0719]

Never get involved with a single mom. Never

[@jokerthief1946]

The baby was both YOUR and HER. That's why you're obviously unaware what "pro choice" means ;)

[@fossil754]

Sure you can choose but your choices have consequences

[@caucasianafrican1435]

Just move on ... without 50% of your property and future earnings

[@mantizz7722]

terrible woman. it is not about the abortion or if she wants one or not. its the fact that she lied even tho you ware suffering instead for just being honest about her wants.

[@Levithos]

S1: A mistake?! She aborted one, and then she continuously took pills to not have a baby and LIED about it. S2: Get a paternity test for the baby. Other than that, at least his support circle didn't do him dirty like the one from story 1.

[@williamb.8762]

In the second story, I'd check if the baby is really yours. The mother seems off. I understand her having issues with the son because he lied to her, but the fact that she's willing to give up custody of her kids at the drop of a hat to keep a guy is disturbing. I wonder what other weird stuff was going on where the kid felt he had to lie about something like that to his mother. Maybe he's just evil, but usually, there are underlying reasons a kid feels they need to do something like that. His parents should probably take him to talk to someone.

[@NeoCreo1]

I mean, her kid did destroy her relationship via manipulation tactics. I’d say not wanting anything to do with him is understandable

[@swgraphics9059]

She does not want to o have OP's children. She wants to leave him one day and birth another for her next husband..Her Sister outed her plan.

[@bipolarbear69]

This is why you wait to marry, straight up married the worst woman to be with.

[@remeokits]

She killed your kid dude no way I would leave her and never contact her again and that kid. Scorch earth.

[@DarrylLewis-b5f]

31/2 months later and she is only 12 weeks pregnant?

[@diffsnicker]

Move on from her and her kid and start a family of your own. She'll find another guy to be step dad dont worry about the kid it's not your problem just get yourself out of that sham of a marriage

[@tabicat.puccino7425]

1) leave her ASAP. OP’s not in the wrong whatsoever for wanting to leave her, she lied about being infertile for 4 years & even aborted his child, without his knowledge or consent, she knew what she is doing but did it anyway, and cause resentment to build within OP, the longer you stay with her, the more resentments is going to build, she took away the one thing you wanted, to have a child, also i feel bad for the stepdaughter 2)NTA you had to worry about the daughter DNA test before signing birth certificate...looks like baby trapping last option for her, the fact that she was willing to believe him immediately and didn't confront him on his story, also OP did what he had to do, nowadays DV accusation are horrible and can ruin people's lives, also the fact that she is willing to give away custody is "mixed" reactions, also the fact that she is no longer talking to the son is reasonable, he cuased all of this, she in her 40s single, and currently is going through a divorce so she would probably hate her son for a good few years

[@Rizkinmylife]

plot of house episode

[@paulefstathiou1819]

Abortion is not just about your body , its another life ....

[@Marty13B]

She murdered a baby

[@sargasm169]

Abortion isn't murder.

[@SnerMerNer]

Stay single, gentlemen.

[@BillyB386]

Amen brother

[@eleethtahgra7182]

1:32 ummmm she does have control. But she kill ur kid... Shes unwilling to bear ur kid. So....skedaddle.

[@philipturner9087]

S2 - No way should you stay with this woman you are risking you own daughter’s welfare if you do.

[@cheekyrabbit]

Well see, an adult response to this kid's claims would have been to sit down at a table, with the other 3 parents and kid to hash it out. They would have figured out the little shit wasn't coping with his parents moving on, it would have been sussed out for the lie it was, and life would move on. Unfortunately, no body can "adult" anymore.

[@DASUPERCATMAN1]

S1: op deserved to ge taken advantage of. He seems like a loser.

[@CodyJonesXD]

*Where's The Video With The Rest Of The Updates!!*

[@GODdank]

Updates of which story story 1 or 2.

[@CodyJonesXD]

Both. I know the 1st account was deleted. But people who have their accounts deleted (by themselves or by reddit) always make new accounts to post updates.

[@aishasamodien5987]

Honestly a horrible mother, why can't she abort, she's just keeping the baby to keep the ex husband or op in her life and he is just as sucky for breaking up a family and bringing another human into a mess

[@lacroix922]

Nope she knew she didn’t want kids and married him regardless then when she was pregnant you aborted it without letting him know plus taking pills to keep the lie. Might as well been cheating on him 😮

[@Liu-ruyan]

I recommend just abandon your wife if divorce is not an option! Marriage is so you can reproduce offspring clearly she doesn't want to produce offspring with you but has offspring with another man

[@andrep.l.6041]

Single moms just out here wildin' gah dayum

[@themarine1100]

He was pro choice right up until it was his child that was taken out

[@paulefstathiou1819]

Pro-choice means pro abortion .

[@SeymourJ.MetzShmuel]

Nonsense, lots of pro-choice people consider abortion to be a last resort. If you want to reduce the number of abortions, push for free birth control, easier adoption, free day care, etc.

[@momoangel9243]

Story 1, i believe in your body, your choice but lady wtf is wrong with you?!?! You lied to op for years and ab0rt the child he was trying years for to have and even faked cried "not be able to have a baby" with op, seriously why on earth would you get with op or any man knowing fully well he wanted kids?!? And wtf is wrong with op's parents too?!? A mistake? Mofos She lied to your son for years and was planning to continue this lie if it wasn't exposed, y'all are terrible parents for wanting your son (op) to go back to a woman like that.

[@FrutoseDeMorango]

It's not her body, it's the baby's body. Pro-choice is Pro-murder with different words

[@brianbrian598]

S 1. Disgusting cheater just a nasty person.

[@loganblackwood2922]

Ryan is her alpha male Chad. That's just how Chad rolls. He won't be there and be actively terrible and will love him for all eternity. Be a good guy wallet and she will only take advantage, cheat, lie and use you.

[@briansharp4388]

S1. Its her choice. But she betrayed you by lying. She terninated your child without your imput. Then played you as your heart broke

[@TemplarOrder]

S1: I have no sympathy for him, he doesn’t care if a woman ends the life of her baby but when it is his he suddenly cares, F off with that.

[@nicknitro86]

Well I don't see why he's so mad, he's pro choice and it was just a clump of cells.

[@cashmeoutside8646]

He's pro choice. But when his wife killed his unborn child...he changed his tune. Understandable, but the irony. LOL. Ex wife is for the streets.

[@SeymourJ.MetzShmuel]

Which part of she lied don't you understand?

[@ultraguy14]

I bet the dude was crazy about it and wouldnt take he refusals for an answer until she came up with being infertile as an excuse to get him to chill out.

[@Koczu0]

what

[@ultraguy14]

@@Koczu0 BET THE DUDE WAS CRAZY ABOUT IT AND WOULDN’T TAKE HER REFUSALS FOR AN ANSWER UNTIL SHE CAME UP WITH BEING INFERTILE AS AN EXCUSE TO GET HIM TO CHILL OUT.

[@Koczu0]

@@ultraguy14 it's all on her

[@dankfrank8708]

Story1: for a dude who’s ok with aborting children, he sure cries a lot about not having a child 🤡

[@natebaxter9551]

So you're bothered that he wants to raise his child? Make it make sense.

[@giuseppegiovani2748]

You did not have to put a selfie.