My take on FOX in Smash | REDESIGNING EVERYONE

[@MedK001]

These ideas are all so fun. I especially love the F-Air idea; now it's finally a usable move...

[@agenthappypotato868]

I'd personally keep the Arwing Final Smash, but instead of a cinematic, it'd be a guided reticle attack like Pit's Lightning Chariot. However, instead of ramming into foes like the Lightning Chariot, the Arwing would hit the foe caught by the reticle with a series of blaster fire. To differentiate Falco and Wolf, you could change the properties of the attack based on the differences of their blaster Neutral Specials. Falco's reticle move slower but the blasts deal more damage. Wolf's reticle would be the slowest of the three and would only shoot 1-2 blasts, but they'd be the strongest.

[@MrRedGreenBlue1]

I'd give both fox and Falco their arwings but while Fox's flies in over him Falco's flies in infront of him and while Fox's cinematic features Peppy and Slippy (and Falco if you're doing a team battle with him or he isn't present in the fight) Falco's feature's Kat from Starfox 64.

[@kappakiev9672]

I agree with everything except the final smash. IMO the landmaster isn’t as interesting as the arwing. However, you can still represent Fox’s more grounded nature by switching the arwing into walker mode a la Star Fox 2 and Zero

[@sleepyswampert]

I respect that. I love the new Arwing, so I did let Falco keep his.

[@marioluigibros.8176]

What do you think would be the best next pick for star fox? personally I pick slippy or krystal@@sleepyswampert

[@Ichiy0k]

"get some sleep it's late" I just woke up at 7:00...

[@sleepyswampert]

Timezones ammirite

[@masked-feraligatr1094]

The thing I disagree with here is that L cancelling isn’t a very skill full mechanic. It’s an execution barrier for the sake of an execution barrier. It’s the reason why melee players get carpal tunnel. There is also no reason to not l cancel, unlike wavedashing which has specific uses. It overall just makes the character harder to play for the sake of making them harder to play which is not good character design.

[@sleepyswampert]

One of the goals was making Fox more skill based. L canceling aerials is pretty difficult so I don't see how it's not skillful. And unlike in Melee where everyone has access to this mechanic, Fox is the only one who needs to L cancel. So by putting in that extra effort, you have less landing lag than the other characters. I think it's a cooler design than Melee's L canceling because unlike in Melee where everyone is required to learn it to stand a chance, Fox learns it in order to get ahead. So instead of learning a difficult tedious tech to just so you aren't at a disadvantage, you learn it to gain an advantage they can't. Makes it more worth it y'know?

[@masked-feraligatr1094]

Sleepy Swampert It being “hard to do” doesn’t really make it skill full to me. The skill in Smash shouldn’t be pressing a button on a very specific frame window. It should be making split second decisions, which L cancelling absolutely does not encourage, because you’re never, ever going to gain anything off of not L cancelling. There isn’t a decision between “l cancel” and “not l cancel” as not doing it means you have more end lag. There doesn’t need to be an arbitrary execution barrier to make a character more skillful. Simply doing all the other changes you brought up here would make him much more so without gaining any of that... i’m going to be honest, gross inaccessibility of Melee. I love that game but this specific thing doesn’t help make the game more deep. Though you’re right, it doesn’t matter much because you can choose not to pick Fox which eliminates most of the problem but I still disagree with the choice,

[@sleepyswampert]

The year is 20XX...

[@jasonconrad7625]

Everyone plays Fox at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on port priority.

[@drift8557]

What is the transition music? BTW you created a powerhouse for no reason. I didnt like how you made L canceling exists

[@drift8557]

Still like the redesign tho

[@sleepyswampert]

If you mean this one then here, kzbin.info/www/bejne/b367Y3mmjM6fiqs