My Thoughts about the August 2024 Digimon Banlist

[@wretchedegg9042]

Dude this was so fun to watch! You explained all your choices very throughly and intellegently. I would love more discussion videos from you.

[@joshbowling2628]

I agree with your list. The choice ban on Shoto and Mother is a must will not be fun to play against at all. I think if they dont ban one or both ukkos, they need to choice ban them. Great video

[@dakotawolf1027]

Great video I'm absolutely sure you've put more thought into it than Bandai has. Based on decisions in the past we'll get like 3 restrictions and it'll slow down the top decks but just make the meta a jumbled mess again. Notice every time an Ex set drops and the decks can't hang its back to "DUDE TEH BANLIST"

[@travislenamon3742]

I like raven tcg

[@idle_sheep]

Other than patamon I 100% agree with your list. Here's my issue with patamon: it completely ruins yellow deck building. It's not just that the card is insanely strong, it's that if you ever want to build a yellow deck in the future you have to run 4 patamon and design your rookie>champion strategy around it (often by slotting in tk too). It's ruining the fun of deck building for yellow decks and severely impacting future card design because every yellow vaccine now has to be created around patamon. I get it, there aren't that many strong yellow decks outside of yellow vaccine so hitting patamon just feels like hitting 1 strong deck and undermining other niche ones that without it fall off the radar (Goldramon for example), but the main issue with patamon is what it does to the design of cards. Imho it is just way too design warping to be allowed. They limited bt11 greymon for these exact reasons and that card does way less than patamon. So if patamon is not limited, either they unrestrict greymon or they are admitting to being inconsistent with bans.

[@quandarious1393]

While im sad to see Pata go in some ways I agree he's just to game warping at 4. Him and Messenger of hope at 1 seems fine. Either one at 4 is to much, but neither are gamebreaking at 1, just a strong single turn. Some can argue it adds an annoying layer of RNG if you have them or not but i dont personally think they are strong enough to warrant that level of hate. The issue is they are both to strong and consistent at 4. Pretty much the same logic as HPD imo but slightly worse so one of each is ok.

[@duelponzac]

i know how u feel, im still waiting gabu x to be removed from the list - its engine helped so many crazy combo-like purple decks that it had to be limited to the point there gabu decks became a meme.

[@EmperorPuzzle]

as someone that enjoys Three Great Angels, i am biased against emissary of hope going to 1 😅 that being said here are my suggestions so that i can keep using my angels with it: 1) errata the card. i agree that this card seems to have been made with the angel trait in mind. so restrict the type that can be digivolved into to be angels/three great angels(possibly others but i havent thought too much about it) 2) choice restrict magnax and emissary OR golden knight and emissary. unsure which would be better either of these would keep my Three Great Angels untouched and i would be happy minor CC: the music was too loud compared to your voice

[@aeonstick]

Shoto still gives me limit vibes, but the ones keep an eye on, except for xveemon, I'd put all of them to 1. The card it should be at 1 tho is the Imperial option, the primogenitor. That thing is busted and running 4 copies is a must if it's not limited

[@joshuamoody4215]

I agree with pretty much everything on this list! I could also see a choice restrict of patamon and magna X, and maybe a limit in BT-3 Thomas if they want to hit mirage. Also free Anubis

[@moxmoonstone]

Overall, great video! Honestly I think you're way too conservative with the hits bit good discussion overall. Bandai needs to clear the way for Liberator decks to contend in the meta.

[@mathibell5236]

I agree with almost all of the list the biggest card that I will always be in the fence at its ukkomon promo or bt16 I think both are to strong of a card For example lets say that bt16 ukko remains at 4 even if you pay 1 its the best 1 cost in the game by far seeing it at turn 1 means that by turn 3 if your opponent didnt answer it he will be able to get a plus 2 and that its if he didn't open 2 of it yeah you dont get the memory but you still get the hatch, body, search and the pressure to have a body that must be answered or else you can still get more and more advante

[@nonoanknows4362]

I'm on board with this list, except I would at least put Heavens judgment to keep an eye on it way to Generic, and it is a one size fits all Removal card that has really easy Requirements

[@Digicord]

The issue with Ete is there is no counter to it and the opponent needs zero setup. It should never have been printed as an on play. Its just a braindead play which is very frustrating to play against as they end up with a level 6, probably nuke your entire board of multiple Digimon for 7 cost total without any possible way to play against it.

[@Chefstirpot]

*Laplace’s demon and trident arm have entered the chat*

[@Digicord]

​@@ChefstirpotI shouldn't really need to explain to you why these are very different and no where near as bad. One rewards opponent with a mega while clearing your board for 7 memory, the others either simply make you attack which may survive and the other is a worse ultimate flare.

[@chumelzerlins348]

He was on play becausw he is imagined to suka and not prepared for Ace mechanics But The on play really is desnecessary because no one suka play This etemon by effect he is only for Ace plays and dont make advantage without king and metal etemon

[@idle_sheep]

​​@@chumelzerlins348the on play is absolutely necessary so you can play him off of bt11 MetalEtemon, which is the archtype he is for. I totally get that with ace mechanics he can be abused, and even the etemon decks abuse him to bait a Valkyriemon play, but without the on play he is ruined as a card for etemon decks. I really don't think the card deserves to be banned. There are way more egregious offenders out there

[@mosessimon4170]

No counter? Awakening, Imperialdramon dragon mode all turns, golden awakening, wargrey x, etc. There are so many scenario where it doesn't work and you say no counter?

[@moxmoonstone]

I'm happy someone is at least saying to ban promo Ukko, but I'd say that BT16 Ukko is also just really bad for creativity in design and should also be restricted. Any card that's that generic for consistency and also can make security checks is a problem. MagnaX also should take a restriction though it's not likely to happen this list. The card is constricting and toxic for game design and it has shaped the entire game around itself and that's not great for the overall health of the game. Cards that aren't on here that should absolutely be restricted include promo Lobomon and promo Lui. AncientGabu is one of the most broken decks ever printed and it really needs to be handled aggressively before it takes over the post-banlist meta.

[@duelponzac]

please, i so want to see magna x. once it hits the board it never leaves, i cant hit it till next turn i need a damm crazy setup to do so, either dropping a blocker and hoping nothing leaves either security OR im lucky enough to have a big 13k+ boss or a good removal on top of my security stack. so much rng/setup required to deal with this guy.

[@bradyoactiv]

Extremely well thought through opinions and list. Only thing missing I would suggest is promo Lui is probably limit worthy as well. If Ukkos get hit and red base isn’t the best version of AncientGaruru anymore, I think the GabuRush version is a contender for new best deck

[@chrisa.2323]

If they hit Patamon with the axe, I'm personally hoping for GeoGreymon to maybe come out of the ban list. I know that deck has been consistently pretty decent since it first came out ages ago. But I felt like the Pata Geo turbo was definitely more Pata's fault than GeoGrey's fault.

[@moxmoonstone]

Ukkomons are also the reason why MonzaeX is so good. Restrict Ukkos and restrict NumeX so I can still play my favorite little guys without giving -12k 😅

[@aviewavie_]

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[@robertweaver9995]

I have a friend at my locals who runs metalgarurumon decks becuse gabumon is his favorite digimon and he can climb into a level 6 with 2 memory it's nuts the amount of memory gain he gets

[@shiznaztm]

Not hitting Imperial and hitting Magna is kinda wild. Imperial is disgusting to play against. The new dual tamer needs to go to 1, full stop. That or the new Paildramon. Granted, it’s based on Japan, but Imperial needs a hit to slow this game back down fully.

[@shiznaztm]

Also, free Argomon. It allows for a tamer hate deck to enter the meta with the BT17 Argo support. A free evolution is so common in this game now even without a cost. Argomon is also not Vegetation or Plant, so he’s in his own world versus Blossomon being free.

[@gekikudo]

Imperial absolutely needs a hit. 2 davis ken and you have so much value every turn that you dont even need a mempry setter to go from a board of nothing to a pail swinging two checks and setting up a dragon mode and a primo to prevent your opponent from playing the game. You auto win every purple matchup and have so much draw and control that theres no actual fownside to the deck besides possibly bricking on your opening turn. I think both the 12 champions need to be hit or at least choice restricted. Or davis/ken needs to go to 1

[@RavenTCG]

Honestly I've thought more about it and yeah, Imperial probably needs hit somehow. I'm not really sure what, but Davis/Ken or Pail's probably the best bet as sad as it makes me haha.

[@robertweaver9995]

I think that if you wanna nerf nume ban the ukkomons or choice restrict if your not banning the ukkomons as ukkomon bother the bt16 and the promo one are the big problems in that deck

[@raikaria3090]

I think you are categorically wrong about AncientGaru. If you hit MagnaX; you maybe hit Imperal; hitting Ukko slows most things down equally. What you end up with is a legitimate Tier 0 format with AncientGaru, because all you did was hit the best deck with a generic hit that hits *everyone*

[@tezmick9590]

If Gabu's can come back the Ex2 impmon can definitely come back, Beelze has done nothing since the hit and trashing from the hanfmd is strictly better than milling in the current game

[@RavenTCG]

While this is definitely true, I was more worried about Beelze's new support coming in BT19 which I now realize I didn't mention at all. I'd love to see EX2 Impmon come off if the new support isn't crazy over the top though.

[@tezmick9590]

@RavenTCG the New Blastmode doesn't do much and the new tamer unfortunately doesn't become too helpful until you're already in a good position the option is ok but none of it fixes any of the decks major weaknesses

[@duelponzac]

no way magna x is a keep at 4, just tell me how tf are you supposed to remove a card that is 12k with blocker + gains imunity to FXs pretty much every single turn.

[@RavenTCG]

@@duelponzac if you remove Emmisary and Awakening from it, it has a lot harder of a time being able to get it down and swing. It can feel a little frustrating going against it, but if you make it pay a full 5 to Evo into it feels better IMO, which is why I dont think it needs hit specifically.

[@duelponzac]

​@@RavenTCG the problem is: ukko is def going to be limited and they are prob going to mess with either nume x or monzae, that said, they need to do something about magna and other decks too to balance the matchmaking (im talking to you too, mirage, you belong in a museum)

[@thomasdorris4304]

Ravens wrong bring back gabu x

[@duelponzac]

agreed, garux is a good hit but gabu x killed the deck. too bad purple had so many good staples so minor decks that were already strugling couldnt even see a single sunshine beam.