my thoughts on a PPC M1 wing

[@christomo]

Im like, you mate rolling wings in surf. You know yout going to put a foil through it at some point .I totally agree that normal dacron is lasting longer than the sails materials, I'm personally hoping hope the weave in the sails is improved and strengthened then used with the normal dracron frames to make a cheeper long lasting wing .i fancied trying wings with fancy material, but i was put off as the repairs are a lot harder and can't be done local 😊😊 Another great video, have a great holiday's mate. I'll speak soon

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup Chris?!? maybe someday companies will make frames with replaceable canopies that can just zip in. at least Gong is using fancy materials but their wings are so much cheaper. I'm still looking at a Neutra. maybe in the Spring. anyway, stay warm and I wish you and your crew an awesome holiday!

[@christomo]

@OCEANBOUND1 they have some upe wings on sale in the great deals section from time to time ex demo, but they go quick but worth looking . I think I would just put a foil in it so I'm not even trying one haha 😅 good wind bro , have a awesome time with your family this hols.

[@fluiditynz]

The Smik V4 is one I'd like to try. Out of stock here in NZ at the moment, good price and non-stretch panel layout. Their V1s got rave reviews so I'm really curious as to the progression.

[@Mokescam]

I just put money down on the prerelease of the Blue Planet surf Super Fly wings that come out in April. $200 off if you preorder before new years gets it under 800 with free shipping. Looks like a XPS variant but in orange yellow red. I saw Robert ripping on one in a race we had here In Kailua when he would usually use an Ozone for racing. I'll let you know how it is after I get mine.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! I was looking at the Super Flies! I'm def intrigued, I expect Robert wouldn't put something out if he didn't like riding it, and I feel like I ride somewhat similar to him. so I'm sure it's a good wing, it's hard for me to commit now to buy before I try. I've been burned the last few times I did that. so for now I'll maintain my super-curiosity and live vicariously through you :) I'm sure you'll love it. thanks for watching and the comment and I wish you an awesome holiday week!!

[@mungbean74]

Cheers! Looks interesting! The price of repairs are crazy, here in Japan as well. I successfully repaired an 8inch horizontal tear in my Takuma leading edge with a Kitefix kit. The key was getting one of my hands inside the wing and hand sewing over the patched repair with marine thread to strengthen it. Wing on!

[@OCEANBOUND1]

lol right on bud! I have a friend that repairs wings over here, but that repair was so complex and he's never dealt with Dyneema before so he didn't really want to touch it. awesome you were able to do it yourself. we session, we break wings, we repair them, we session again. circle of life, wing on!! lol. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day in Japan!!

[@wsurfn]

I am on 5.0 and 6.5 M1s that I got on discount right before the release of the M-1X. I agree with your assessment. I have been winging flat water so far and love the reponsive feel, the handles, durable canopy, and great upwind performance. It tacks great, but wants to rock when flagging. I have the 5.0 in repair for a bladder leak 6 sessions in. I also have had no luck with bladders in general - similar with Duotone, Ozone. I hate that we can't have better bladder technology (durability).

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! I bet that 6.5m is awesome in light winds, I can imagine the power you can generate from that tight canopy. bummer about your bladder. a repair guy told me that the PPC bladders are very thin. it was weird when my strut popped - it was inflated for about 8-10 min and I was just about to hit the water and it just popped. there were like 6 people standing around it when it happened, we were all like WTF!?! that is my luck in a nutshell. I was so bummed when the LE popped first wave sesh. the good thing from that is that I needed a new bladder and they said the new one will be stronger. I had this assumption through their marketing that they'd be bomb-proof, but I guess no wing is bomb-proof. you live and you learn. thanks for watching and commenting bud, I wish you an awesome day!!

[@66crayfish]

Really thorough review, well done bro. Interesting comments about the price of wings. Over here in NZ the original PPC surges were everywhere. They were good for their time, & great value of money. Many are still going strong. As they are getting on to 4years old now, most are getting pretty flagged out now. Interestingly the majority of wings I've seen replacing them aren't the newest & lightest with cutting edge materials but have been the V2 strikes as they are on sale most places as retailers are clearing space for the new generations. It must be hard for manufacturers to placate those on a budget as well as those wanting the best at the time.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

thank bud! appreciated. I remember trying a PPC wing 3-4 years ago and I really liked it. it's funny you mention it, my local surf shop has some v2 Strikes and Swings on sale and I've been thinking about grabbing one. I don't mind the old handles and they were such good designs! a few years ago, all wings were under $1000. now you see companies selling new ones for over $1300 and they tend to be heavier and bag out just as quick and with the FOnes, now you have to buy $130 handles on top of a $1299 wing. when they were $700-$800, I could buy a quiver every year. I just can't afford multiple wings in a season anymore. I know costs are going up across the board, but they've gone up too quick IMO for winging and they say the quality is getting better and I'm just not seeing it. at least these PPCs are using different materials that probably costs more, so I get the higher prices on those. fingers crossed that some companies veer in a different direction and keep their prices down. I'll totally support that. Gong has been looking better and better. ok rant over. thanks so much for watching and commenting. I wish you an awesome day!!

[@allanwhite8564]

I’ve recently upgraded my quiver from the Armstrong v2 to xps now that I’m nearly a year in and had my first foil through the canopy a couple of weeks back in super gusty conditions which I have managed to repair okay with sail tape but with how easily things go pair shaped when pushing boundaries the top end wings are probably something I’m going to avoid for a while yet.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

awesome you have new XPS wings. I want to be clear, I really love the XPS wings too, they do everything well. the ONLY thing that keeps me from getting them is the handles, but that is prolly just cause of the shape of my fingers, it's personal preference. my friends has a whole quiver and just doesn't have the same experience, but he has longer fingers. and yeah, I'm with you. Alulla and all these other fancy materials are great in theory; I'd use them exclusively if money wasn't a factor. but I have a bad track record when it comes to breaking wings, and I just can't waste money on things with high price tags that I know I'll most likely destroy. thanks for watching bud, I wish you an awesome day!!

[@seanholahan8101]

Ooooph that’s a tough repair price! I nicked my M1 leading edge with a stabilizer and it was a 100$ repair, but I assume yours was a more complex job. Definitely think dyneema rips a little easier & feeling blessed about only having one repair. One of my favorite parts about this wing is it handles great overpowered. And is pretty grunty once you get used to the unusual pumping style(backwards circle motion?!). I don’t stress about choosing wing choice as much now and just use my 5m ppc instead of older 7 or 4m wings which I barely use now and will not be upgrading.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! yeah to be transparent the repair was $470 all said and done, which included the shipping BOTH ways. it was pretty mangled and required a new bladder too. totally bummed me out, but you pay to play, it's part of the game. oh man I totally agree, the thing handles like a champ overpowered. I cut a chunk out of my video where I explained this, but because it really likes to flag out horizontal and the fact the canopy is tight, dumping power with it is super easy. I totally agree that it's kinda that weird cabbage-patch pumping that seems to make it work the best in lighter winds. this 5m has such an awesome range! I'm def loving wings like this that can do so much but preform so well. thanks for the comment, I wish you an awesome day!!

[@davidsweeting5999]

Hi, I have a M1-x in 4m and it’s very good. Very happy. Do not have comparisons but have heard that the M1 was geared for racing and was heavier etc. I’m a free rider and wave rider and zero complaints. Crazy price for repair, any reason? It’s too early to say about longevity but like you, I’m over the new wings that last 6 months re canopy tension. My f-ones went from amazing to floppy and gutless within a very short time. Unsustainable financially to buy a new quiver every year. Feel bad selling these things on as well as frankly they are average at best. Love the show Jeremy, Happy Xmas and a great NY buddy

[@OCEANBOUND1]

awesome to hear you are stoked on the M1-X! I'm def intrigued at whatever material they are using in the canopy and how it holds up. as for the repair, I'm not sure if it was the extent of the repair, the materials, or what. I needed a new bladder which added to the costs. I was just assuming this thing was bomb-proof with it's materials, but it just goes to show that no materials are really bomb-proof. so if I had a choice between taking a $1700 wing or a $1000 wing out on a wave sesh, after this experience I'm prolly always gonna choose the $1000 wing. and I'm cool with that. the FOne v3 wings really soured me. the prices keep going up but the materials that "cost more" are not doing anything to increase their longevity, and make them heavier - the lightness was the reason why they were so good. that whole experience totally changed me as a consumer. I'm not buying whole quivers of wings anymore unless they are all under $1000 from the day they hit the market. I sold my 5.5m for $200 a year after I bought it cause I felt bad passing on a wing that was so flappy. OK rant over, thanks so much for watching & commenting. I wish you an awesome holiday week!!

[@davidsweeting5999]

@ I think by talking about these things we highlight legitimate challenges for manufacturers / designers to pick up and run with. It’s not a rant if it’s an experience most of us can relate to. Anyway, hope springs eternal that long term THIS wing is the unicorn one I’ve been waiting for ;)

[@fluiditynz]

@@OCEANBOUND1 So glad I never bought F1 wind wings as I've heard the same. As a heavier rider I subject canopy to higher loads so a little extra weight is OK if it lasts. I have been doing DIY batons for some of my older wings which helps a lot. 3.5mm diameter carbon batons on the top side with TPU end cap flanges and designed in stitching holes makes a big difference if placed on the line of maximum trailing edge chord deformation. Especially the old V1 PPCs have too much trailing edge chord deformation which was a design flaw, making them hard to control when semi flagged out, they just want to rotate out of the power zone which imposes high corrective arm loadings. Check the back of your wings when riding, they shouldn't have much chord curve at the back. And with a lot of riding, my old PPCs went a lot worse in this zone. Hopefully as per your video they have sorted the canopy.

[@wildhogget69]

Brother in law has switched to these and says the same heavy but solid and rips upwind. Have you tried the Ozone Fusion yet?? I'm still with V2 Strikes, the V3 wasnt worth the upgrade and not sure to stick with Fone or go to the new Unit - Great vlog, and an early Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

[@OCEANBOUND1]

cool, good to know others say the same thing. I went on PPC's website and so many comments were that they were sooo light and that just was not my experience. it's funny, my local surf shop has a few V2's still in the packaging, I'm highly considering getting one for this next season. I was recently out on a v1 and didn't mind the old handles. but I'm really hoping to get a wave wing that is light and with a boom, so I'm waiting to see more options, like Duotone's new wave wing or if FOne makes booms for their Swings. My wing dealer is sending a Vayu up to try, their 5m is about a pound lighter than this PPC and has a boom so I'm super pumped to see how that stacks up. thanks for the comment bud! I wish you an awesome holiday season!!

[@stveloop9452]

Wow, the repair price is quite shocking to hear, the brands are definitely drinking the 'magic money tree' kool-aid.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

@@stveloop9452 yeah, you pay to play, but that def hurt my wallet. From here on out Im probably sticking to wings that have regular materials since no wings seem immune to the consequences of being rolled in the whitewater. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!

[@jjmc4]

Just curious if you ride your gear until it's trash or do you try to sell it with some life left in it?

[@OCEANBOUND1]

@@jjmc4 I do both! This wing I’ll probably sell soon, but many others I’ve ridden into the ground. I haven’t been super inspired to buy a wing in 2024 so I still have a bunch of old ones. At this point, unless I try something that blows me away, I’m prolly only buying things that are older and discounted. Wing prices are getting out of hand lately and times are tough. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!