My Thoughts On The CERT Training

I completed the 20 hour CERT training and I have some thoughts on the program and a recommendation to the allies here on KZbin!
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[@scsmith4604]

To me, this is a type of program that should be required in High School. If every person in this country had to learn this before getting their diploma then maybe people would not be so freaked out about other problems that pop up in everyday life.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

YES!

[@Joe26003]

There are few more courses everyone should take as required in HS!!! Cert being one of them!

[@robertmill7755]

As a CERT instructor I want to caution you about the first aid equipment particularly medication. You are NOT authorized to give out medication. No aspirin, liquid allergy medication etc when you are functioning as a CERT member. You can give topical antiseptic. Caution, some people are allergic to triple antibiotic ointment. Bactracin , I might have miss-spelled that, is a better option. You can't give someone an epipen. California is way more restrictive than Oregon, where I am, so please, please review your scope of practice permissions. You can get in trouble easily by straying outside of your "CERT Box". CERT is still viewed by some jurisdictions as a necessary evil to be tolerated. We, as CERT volunteers, have to make sure that we always behave in a professional manner and follow all the rules. Eventually we will be seen in a different light, but only if we all work together to be as professional as possible. Other than that, good video, and you also covered many of the same points about equipment that I cover as well.

[@theconstitutionalistpartyr1765]

I was g9nna say the same thing but figured search and make sure if anyone else already said it good thing i did. ARC Volunteers are same no meds from ARC ether

[@Bruceworkouts3184]

Crippled by your rules. Advising and assisting are not administering...

[@sheldor5312]

Good thing in an emergency there are plenty o’ rules.

[@kilodeltaeight]

It’s worth noting that CERT was basically invested by Los Angeles’ Fire Department in the mid-80s, and is quite common and well respected in LA and California generally. I’ll echo your comments on drugs though: even as an EMT I can’t give out things like Advil. That’s limited to paramedics, and even they have standing orders they have to follow.

[@WH6FQE]

I have been a CERT member for several years and have been activated in several disasters. I have some advice for you, keep both the leather and the mechanic's type gloves in your bag. There are situations where each type of glove is better than the other. Most CERT members will have both types of gloves in their bags.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Ah! Love that tip, thank you!

[@nesbittjohn]

In our CERT classes we also teach that it is advisable to wear nitrile gloves under your leather gloves so you can easily transition from search to first aid. You don't want to contaminate your work gloves with blood of you come upon a victim during search phase.

[@pm_davidjones]

About the 3-7 day rule. One example I like to give is the F5 tornado that went through Plainfield, IL (not far from where our class is held). Over 1000 homes were destroyed. With a household average of 2.5 people there would potentially be 2,500 people in need of attention. There are only 60 Paramedics on staff in that town. It's going to take a LONG time for 60 paramedics to get to 2500 people. Being able to help your household and your neighbors is crucial. Even minor injuries left unattended to can become very serious. Just being there to help reduce people's anxiety is a big help. People can make strange choices when in panic mode.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

WONDERFUL point!

[@malanis]

I'm starting my CERT Level 1 this Thursday! Excited. I already participate in the weekly radio net, but need to step it up and become more of an asset for the community. Thanks for the info you provided here, it's quite useful!

[@johndoppleguard]

A good look at the cert program brother. After seeing your video n looking around I found alot of online links to programs for every state, county's in my state, participants manuals etc. Good information. Thank you and keep up the good work man!! Peace

[@sweeperdave1]

Thanks for this. I hope it gets more folks involved in CERT.

[@espalding3]

Very good summary. Common sense is over-rated by some. We aren't born with much except nursing, pooping and urinating. We learn as we live, IF we pay attention, and even that depends on our environment: hot, cold, urban, rural, etc. Unfortunately, humans tend to seek knowledge after they need it. Keep up your postings and thank you.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Thank you for watching Ed!

[@certinstructorron4050]

CERT is an excellent program for people to get involved in. I also storm spot and I'm part of Emergency Communications for the State of Oklahoma . As a CERT Instructor I enjoy teaching the course. I've made videos as well. Good job here. Glad to see you're a ham too!

[@USPreparatory]

Another well done video. Great job. -Chris

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Thank you!

[@LabRat1511]

Thanks for posting this review. I am currently taking CERT. I have taken 2 of the 6 classes. I am a former EMT from many years ago. It is interesting to see the changes in the intervening 20+ years. I really appreciate the hints for my bag!

[@Docsporseen1]

I'm in the CERT class now for my area. My attention is on medical - I'm a retired Navy Corpsman. Great classes, plenty of information.

[@Docsporseen1]

Surgical masks are good for preventing fluid transfer (blood, breath and sneezes), but are pretty useless for dust/particulates. N95 masks seal to your face and filter out all but the tiniest of particles (They do nothing against biologicals and chemicals). Surgical masks do not seal, so even if they did stop particulates, they don't stop them from simply going around the mask. If you're going to carry surgical masks, only give them to folks you meet along the way to make them feel better.

[@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938]

Was an EMT and then medic for 30 years...same rule...make sure I am safe, then my partner...then the patient...

[@saltyshellback]

I'll have to find the training in my area.

[@vickidunbar5794]

I enjoyed all the information about the CERT program

[@cjanezic6223]

Thanks for this. Love the shaving cream idea to practice safely removing rubber gloves. I'm going to recommend my CERT team practice this.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Oh yeah, it was enlightening. Don't neglect your comms too! Check out my Emergency comms videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTIgGmfftCrgrM

[@robertmill7755]

Your sponsoring agency may offer a Bloodborne Pathogens class. Ask if it is available to you.

[@ChessInstructorSF]

Hey, great but he still got some on his hands and he never stated what are the ramifications of that? KZbin is edutainment at best, so take the ides and rework them to be better, and DO better.

[@GTGallop]

After Hurricane IKE we did 14 days without power. And yes - I saw people in the convenience / grocery store stugging it out over a bag of Cheetos. We stood in line for hours just to be able to buy 5 gallons of gas for cars or generators. We had looters in the streets at night surveying and probing homes. There was no phone service and cell phones were spotty at best. So no 911. I think it is totally irresponsible for any citizen (except elderly and medically compromised) to not be able to self suffice for at least two weeks. Great vid. Probably my 2nd fave next to your Em-Comm Disaster Communication Part 1 vid. I'm eager to learn more.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

+Greg Gallop thank you! I'm very passionate about being prepared. I think comms are vital in those preparations.

[@jamesmcneil1749]

I’m glad to see it’s still going John young would be to he passed away

[@minedustry]

It can be hard to get used to wearing a hard hat. But you can get extra thick forehead padding for the suspension and a hard hat liner is a must have on cold days.

[@karinhart489]

eSk8er, yes & hardhats are very adjustable. On the safety goggles, I found a better set that was OSHA approved that fit over my glasses so much better, then put the ones I was issued in a ziplock plastic bag to stash in case someone on my team arrives without eye protection. Did the same for the work gloves that came in the CERT pack & replaced with better fitting gloves.

[@foggycraw6758]

Relevant

[@LeeMcc_KI5YPR]

So now it is 2022. I started CERT a few months ago, and it drove me to ham radio; and some CERT members are in the ham club. Before I was licensed, we did a radio exercise. It went poorly. The radios were not programmed right and we lost time until it was fixed (my team's radio was set to TX on 400Mhz. Yikes). Next time was better.

[@bobhaar6470]

I recommend getting an amateur radio license and include a hand-held ham radio. I would also add energy bars, sunscreen, and insect repellent - you need to take care of yourself. Knee pads are very helpful if you are crawling through rubble.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

+Bob Haar Oh I'm a general class license holder. I do a "Ham Radio Crash Course" here on KZbin. I did an em comm part one last week.

[@bobhaar6470]

Great. i have an Extra class license and promote ham radio as part of emergency prep. I am also in CERT and RACES/ARES.

[@TwstedTV]

In NYC, government agencies only seek communication help from registered license holders. they used to just get anyone, but it turned really bad really fast. since 911, anyone helping with communications for government agencies MUST hold a license, otherwise you will be told to leave the premises and be either escorted to a safe zone / building, or escorted to the nearest exit and told not to return, depending on the event at hand. ooh and for those that dont live in large apartment complexes. when a major disaster happens, be very careful around apartment complexes a.k.a (projects). it can get extremely dangerous really fast since they know 911 is not around and wont get to the complex any time soon. it will turn into no mans land really quick. If you dont live there, dont be around them.

[@PATOMSMEDIC]

Ham Radio Crash Course em class

[@jamesmcneil1749]

It was started in 1985 in Los Angeles but in 2004 it got recognized here in newjersey a bunch of us had hand full in creating it here in newjersey

[@T4RJon]

We started an ERT here in Chattanooga 5 years ago. A CERT member from a nearby county contacted us and informed us of CERT. We are currently awaiting word that we are officially sanctioned. Thanks to your mom, yours, and others hard work!!

[@jrosalia]

I was surprised to hear you say no cpr. Cpr/aed was part of our CERT training. They also provide renewal classes every year

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

It was a part of it, but not certification.

[@cjanezic6223]

They don't recommend we do CPR because you'd have to continue doing it until someone else could take over. That means one or more people would be out of commission as far as CERT duties -- not able to help other people in need. It goes back to helping the most people in the shortest amount of time. Yep, it would be hard to pass that person by. it's great you've had that training, though -- good on you.

[@WH6FQE]

They no longer even talk about CPR in the recent CERT class I did this month as a refresher. The only thing now is to attempt to open the airway twice, and if breathing does not start spontaneously on its own, tag them black and move on. I countered with "unless it's your team member, then do CPR, especially if it's me laying there".

[@kilodeltaeight]

Yeah, when you’re doing austere care things like CPR are out. If you’re so sick your heart isn’t beating on it’s own, abs there’s been a major disaster, there’s no way we’re gonna be able to get you to definitive care quickly enough (if at all) to save your life. It’d almost guaranteed be a waste of several responders who cooks help more people and keep them from getting too sick to save. Plus, CPR is *exhausting*, which means now you’re too tired to help. Does it suck? Yes. One of the hardest things to do in CERT training is to convey the reality that, as a responder in a major disaster, you’re probably gonna have to make HORRIBLE choices and see things that will stick with you for a *long* time. You’ll save a lot of lives, but it’s not without some cost.

[@toml.8210]

Can you take just the communications part out of the CERT book, and adapt it for "people?" Ordinary people will do dumb things thinking they will get instant help, but they really need to know the protocols, and that you can even use radios other than ham for Intel or communication.

[@jamesmcneil1749]

Nothing cheap that hat is perfect

[@jamesmcneil1749]

My mom and captain John young from roselle Fd and oem started cert

[@lyfandeth]

Everyone forgets the $500 Epipen is no different than any $25 preloaded epinephrine syringe, except for one being automatic and way more expensive. So cost is not a big issue if you buy the right product. But as others have said, the program rules say DO NOT EXCEED YOUR TRAINING and do not give out any meds. If you do that, you become personally liable. If you disagree with the program, respond as an individual, not a CERT team member. CERT teams largely conform to the National Incident Management System (NIMS) and Incident Command System (ICS) so that we all can respond to any mutual aid call, on any scale, and still mesh smoothly even if we are all strangers. Exceeding those basics varies with your team sponsor, which must be a formal emergency ageny.

[@axe609]

Eye wash, headlamp and trash bags. maybe a power pack for your cell phone. If cells are still working you might spend a lot of time on them coordinating.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

+axe609 I've got comms pretty dialed. Eye wash is a great idea 💡

[@bobhaar6470]

Clean water works fine.

[@axe609]

Bob Haar Very true. Saline is a little gentler and less likely to be drank, unless you need a bowel wash, lol. They usually come in a squeeze bottle and can be used as a wound wash as well (of coarse so can water).

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

sweet video, do u plan on upgrading ur pack to a fully stocked s.t.o.m.p. pack. you can use maxi pads as improvised combat Israeli bandage

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

I brought in some Israeli bandages into the class. The instructor had never seen one. I was kind of surprised. I'm going to slowly upgrade it. I has a PFAK that is more "active shooter" oriented so I'll lean on that if needed.

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

hoshnasi​ the more training the better, pretty much maxipads and a ace wrap or coband/vet wrap is a substitute for a Israeli bandage, a grocery bag with tape on three sides, with on flap open can be put over a sucking chest wound if u dont have a asherman chest seal or a halo chest seal. Bungee cord can be used if u dont have a rats tourniquet. Sugar and iodine "sugardyne" is good for open wounds even herbs to plants can used. U can use leeches and maggots to heal wounds, sandwhich bags with saline, the list goes on

[@hahmtae-jin4142]

I can't agree more with el dork pistolero. Maxipads are the best when it comes to bleeding---with obvious reason. I have never used the more modern thin ones, preferring the old school ones now called by the descriptors "overnight", "Hospital", "Obstetrical" to name a few. Only because I know they work through having used them on more than one occasion. They will tolerate lots of pressure, can be stacked if needed. They can be held on as noted by pistolero. The lack of sterility is a moot point. Someone at the hospital ER will deal with that, the casualty has to get there alive.

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

a good medical book is a when theres no doctor, us special ops medical handbook, advanced ditch medicine can teach u the quick and dirty way for the cool stuff will u learn advanced stuff to become good at active shooter medicine such as becoming a first care provider maximizing more training?

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

I will most likely go back for more training. I believe there is an upcoming meeting to discuss future training in a week or so. If its free and right down the street from me (the Sheriffs station), I'm there.

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

hoshnasi even better, I feel in love with basics of first aid and cert type training were I got addicted to medical which is why I'm always reading and watching videos on diy medical and watching procedures to EMT and paramedic stuff. Even common items can be used in a pinch if u didn't have access to real sutures, I've gone camping and hunting that I've sutured my cuts with dental floss. My medical gear always expands and I practice survival techniques skills often twice a week. A good KZbin channel I watch is patriot nurse, skinny medic. I have a huge playlist on medical stuff

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

+the vein slayer nice! I watch patriot nurse too! My primary pfak started as a skinny medic bag.

[@bobhaar6470]

It is more important to have the critical information in your head. Take training and keep it refreshed.

[@eldorkpistolero1555]

hoshnasi I like s.m. and p.n.'s stuff but the med gear is expensive from there online store I mainly get the medical goods from dollar tree, amazon, dark angel medical and bound tree medical. I like skinny medics gear but I rather get a EMT bag from amazon and put skinny medics items.

[@crispycritterz]

Remember.... no plan survives first contact.... something to keep in mind. After my first tornado I remembered that.

[@tyshonsullivan4959]

I volunteered, I start on the 31st

[@heynewgirl]

I took the CERT training in Los alamitos

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Nice!

[@Courier_006]

Does everyone get an I’d card or certificate after CERT class? We never did

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

I think it varies from city to city, county to county.

[@robertmill7755]

You should have at least gotten a completion certificate. ID cards depend on your sponsoring jurisdiction

[@ralfdcat]

Headlamp... how could they not include one?

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

If you have a hard hat on a traditional camping headlamp doesn't really fit well. I ended up winning an elastic band that takes a standard flashlight, but needed something to put in it.

[@ralfdcat]

I usually dont put them on my head anyway... usually get one thats angle adjustable... easier to let them hang around my neck and see whats in my hands etc.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Thats a good tip!

[@bobhaar6470]

A headlamp is mounted on my CERT hard hat, so I don't think of it as a separate item. I also have a high powered flashlight.

[@hahmtae-jin4142]

CERT wants you to build up your gear to the level you are comfortable with and the to the level of involvement you wish to do. Many just want some basic, OH GOSH WHAT DO I DO NOW type training but DO NOT want to be involved in the month to month activities of the CERT group in an area. Then even if you are involved maybe you only have an interest in one aspect, say your old and can't get down on the ground to do the medical stuff easily--so maybe you become a wiz at IC or Radio, so you play those items up and minimize the others.The Cerritos group actually provided at lot to hoshnasi, our group just provides helmet, vest, gloves, goggles, we have a lot of the first type who just want info. There are very cheap plastic clips you can buy to keep a headlight on one of these helmets. My Amazon order history says I got 60 of the puppies for around $25--They come in packs of 30 got a lot cause they're cheap and if they break I have replacements. I also have 3 different helmets tasked to three different groups--CERT; SARS; and working around the yard. Sorry I come to these kind of threads years late, but post anyway

[@marybrewer739]

Interesting video. The three days you are describing is actually your CERT examination to be certified. You receive much more information and training with your local CERT Team before your final training and test with your local Fire Department.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

The three days was the training. The examination was at the end.

[@asianguy6174]

I thought you were not allowed to administer medication of any kind to victims

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

In a complete disaster I think you’re ok to render care.

[@lc56c5]

They dont want you performing CPR? What the heck?? Why would you not teach CPR to Volunteers? Cant wrap my head around that... Great Video though.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Compression only.

[@randygc3704]

The basic CERT course does not cover CPR. There is a lot of stuff to cover in a relatively short time. They focus on what folks with little training can do for the most people in the least amount of time (gee, sounds familiar) My local CERT team does provide CPR training on a regular basis (provided by the sponsoring FD) as part of our ongoing training sessions.

[@johnhoffenbacher9985]

I have colored electrical tape for triage

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Good call.

[@johnhoffenbacher9985]

I started out with the basic bag and now my bag is like 3 bags.

[@nesbittjohn]

Me too John. CERT is dangerous for gear junkies. :)

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[@colleenmethod9431]

I know its been a year - however - don't put medicines in your cert bag. If you're going to carry it - keep it in a separate bag. Some Certs (myself included) have 3 bags carried during drills. Yes, they are important to practice with. 1) regular cert stuff, 2) medic kit for first aid & stuff, and 3) Communications - radios, batteries & separate both the radio & the batteries. Do NOT rubberband them. Add to your bag - food, water (water filters can be a pain in an emergency), More N95 face masks, ditch your medical masks to your medicine chest at home. Don't forget fun things too - like hard candy, bubble gum, anything to build saliva. Food stuffs to avoid for those reading this comment: Trail mix, salted nuts, anything that will be salty for that matter. In an emergency you should not be eating anything that will require extra water. Water will be at a scarce level - treat it that way. For those who are water drinkers - get a grip buttercup your water bottle will be empty in about 20 minutes in an emergency and you will not be allowed to refill it. Think about it.

[@JamesDC42]

When the HAM hobby becomes more than an obsession.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Being trained for CERT? You now you can just not do something instead ridiculing others who have no effect on your life?

[@bentesch6739]

@@HamRadioCrashCourse I viewed his comment more positively. I took him to mean that HAM led you to think about emergency response stuff and get involved via CERT.

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