My Vegan Blood Test Results: Shocking Protein Levels | +Response to Criticism

I finally went and got some levels tested. I also respond to some recent criticism by Unnatural Vegan regarding whole food vegan diets. You can skip that if it's not your thing.
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Unnatural Vegan Response Starts at 4:15 ish.
Vegan RD Recommends Tahini for Calcium:
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Jack Norris Recommends Blood Tests:
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Canadian B12 Levels:
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Vegan Albumin Levels Higher Than Omnivores:
www.sciencedire...
Ideal LDL 50-70:
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Esselstyn Video Clip source:
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Canola Oil Artery Effects:
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Esselstyn: A Way to Reverse Cardiovascular Disease Study:
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[@kellyolivier409]

I'm with you Mic! Whole Foods plant based is 98% of what I eat in a month with a tiny bit of vegan junk food. I had 2 strokes at 39 and was put on warfarin and aspirin, cholesterol meds and blood pressure was borderline hypertensive. 2 years later was hospitalized again for severe atherosclerosis and I had enough! I saw Forks Over Knives and followed Dr Esselstyn's recommendations. I'm 2 years vegan, off warfarin and cholesterol meds, my blood pressure is 110/65, my cholesterol is 116 and I dropped 65 pounds. I needed to have all the information to have this success, if I followed Unnatural Vegan I would not have been able to heal my arteries!

[@Raven.13]

Plant Healthy WOW 😮 you have been through a lot! you are living proof right here. 🙌 Will done! on getting your life back! 👏

[@UncleJ2058]

Yes, that is the problem with UV and those who say it is ok to have oils or animal products in moderation. Most people in the US have some level of heart disease so such advice is dangerous!

[@sonja4164]

Plant Healthy wow! I'm glad you turned it around!

[@youandmevegan]

Wow congrats! I'm so glad to hear you took matters into your own hands. I hope you feel as great as you possibly can now.

[@sonja4164]

Wing Wu Wang ❤

[@Audit_Reactions]

But where ya ge ya prodeeen

[@tristannn5913]

The Vegan Runner lmao

[@Aeglos15]

The Vegan Runner Mike is proton deficient. Clearly. Look at him. LOOK!

[@Gabe62046]

The Vegan Runner from your moms placenta

[@sushmitaroy1667]

The Vegan Runner Yah... Tell me first where you got the junk in your trunk. Lol.

[@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530]

I get my protein from eating smart vegans. That's why I am in danger of developing a protein shortage.

[@anonchick4789]

Civil War: reasonable vegans edition

[@thotung34]

Unnatural Vegan should accuse Mic of taking steroids in her response.

[@anonchick4789]

And Then that'd be more of a Vegan Gains thing

[@thotung34]

Maybe botox too just for the giggles.

[@allisonroll9662]

aw man beat me to the punch

[@thaddeuswalker2728]

Yeah, I am glad she participated. I feel that UV feels like a more sane place to find a friendly voice for new vegans in my case I was confronted by large organic only fruit mono-meals as being the way to go. I lumped that along with the idea of whole foods as a nebulously defined concept with questionable return on investment. I have gotten over feeling that way and now that I understand the whole food definition and several of the concepts behind it I feel like UV would rather get her health information from sources that reiterate commonly held beliefs, anything that is seen and understood by vegans only is not acknowledged by her. I would totally eat a GMO apple but I am not going to be eating a bunch of mock meats, maybe try them once if they are in the discount bin.

[@aarthemuse6946]

You my friend have a gift at making health entertaining !

[@b.t.7454]

I checked (again) my values and, after 10 yrs of vegetarianism (almost veganism), of which the last 3 totally vegan, all my levels were perfect. My housemate was so shocked (he continued to say that I was deficient for sure)!

[@iamalexandra.]

Barbara Taras Ask him to do some tests, I bet he's deficient in several vitamins, minerals and fiber 😂

[@mschallable]

B. T. I have been vegan since July and my numbers look great!

[@oliverlipsdorf5628]

vegan for attention+anti vegan for attention = unnatural vegans channel.

[@GretchensVeganBakery]

LOL this is so funny, my mom also says "vaaagan"

[@respectkindness-oj6xz]

your recipes are amazing and you are pretty. know your true value and preciousness even if people would not acknowledge. be careful. wishing you the best, peace, health, wellbeing, blessings and all good

[@RenaesHomestead]

She assumes it's crazy and unsustainable because she could never follow it herself.

[@NordikCreative]

I have to say you crushed UV in your response, but please, don't start getting involved in all this vegan drama/video response battle. You're my favorite vegan KZbinr because you're this very average, relaxed and unbiased dude who just spits out facts and sticks to what he says. Please stay that way. Cheers! :~)

[@dihsh4321]

Nordik Totally agree. Let your information speak for itself Mic. If you get too defensive it dilutes the message & diverts from the greatness of what you offer from your research & your own experience. Much better to give brief, scientific response & move on quickly, ignoring much of what is said or implied. Like abusive & toxic relationships the attacker saps your focus & energy by putting you on the defense - often referred to as being an emotional vampire. Don't let her comments determine your focus. Keep up the great work as it's much appreciated.

[@blue_cameron]

Nordik I think defending your image is important.

[@AB-ee5tb]

I wouldn’t say unbiased

[@classicgameplay10]

If you are vegan you cant be unbiased.

[@tbd3602]

i gotta ask bro does UV even promote veganism ? like seriously.

[@cactus342channel]

She definitely promotes veganism, just not the hard-core, wholefoods, no mock meats, low-oil veganism that Mic promotes, which isn't a bad thing.

[@Len1977gt]

honestly i have know idea what she promotes. I have subbed and unsubbed from her several times. I am no longer subbed and I don't pay any attention to her.

[@unlikelyally5325]

Laurie, In this actual video you are replying on, Mic points out that he eats at restaurants 3 times a week and the only video he posted of himself eating was a mock meat. Then he goes on to explain in detail that his videos describe ideal and great healthy options and areas to focus on, not a rigid way that must be followed. What a strange comment to make on this particular video.

[@sparkle0859]

Mostly, I think.

[@camtyto0777]

i think she hates the vegans who really alienate non-vegans, which is understandable, but then goes to the opposite end and basically sucks up to non-vegans & hates on vegans who are stricter or act different than her

[@delevator8755]

I am yet to see a vegan (or anyone who is not starving for that matter) with a protein deficiency. Seriously, how is that protein myth still a thing among meat eaters?

[@classicgameplay10]

Explain why he keeps his bangs like that in every video.

[@delevator8755]

@@classicgameplay10 you're right, it can only be protein deficiency, I stand corrected. /s

[@classicgameplay10]

@@delevator8755 not just proteine defficiency, it could be many other things, as hair is not made of just protein. He seem to be too skinny as well.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

I really can't stand that UV feels the need to bash other vegans. For crying our loud, we know that people like Mike aren't doctors but they do the research and present the facts. I stopped watching UV a while ago because I don't understand her attacking vegans.

[@LOVELY-131]

WorldOfRandomStuff IS HE SAYING THAT OIL ISN'T GOOD FOR US? especially olive oil?

[@Mickju]

That is what he is saying. My Cardiologist put me on a fat free, salt free diet for my heart disease and I have made huge progress in just 4 months. I decided to go vegan on my own. I will be 74 in a few weeks and I feel great, better than I have felt in years. My cholesterol is 93 and my doctor told me not to let anyone tell me that it's too low.

[@awesomelife3710]

Cassandra Sims It’s becoming increasingly common to give up oil. I did, about six months ago, and don’t miss it much. Used to go through a bottle of olive oil per month, now it’s one per six months.

[@paulperez6167]

More like, olive oil should be ingested by actually eating olives. Not separated from its source.

[@raz0rcarich99]

She seems like a resentful person. She's the Unhappy Vegan, just look at her face.

[@tspicks4360]

Another good one Mic. My own example from blood work is that after being borderline anemic for most of my life, my blood tests as a vegan show ABUNDANT levels of iron in my bloodstream. "But where will you get your protein and IRON if you don't eat meat???" Uh, from ... plants ... just like cows, pigs, gorillas, monkeys, and every other herbivore on the planet! Nailed it in the "drama" section too. U.V. just doesn't get it for some reason, some kind of mental block there. Keep up the great work!

[@courtneyhamilton4495]

I can't deal with UV, she really is a know-it-all and I'm always unsure what she IS or IS NOT promoting, it's hella confusing. Keep up the good work, love your videos annnd boy you fine ;)

[@littlemissink]

Courtney HAMILTON he's my all time vegan man crush. not just them looks but ohmahgawd, that brain turns me ON! and UV is definitely a meat and dairy industry shill, no secret. Mic is handling it though!

[@courtneyhamilton4495]

LOL agree & yesss def that brain!!!

[@littlemissink]

Those blue eyes don't hurt either except sometimes I get so distracted I have to watch the video twice to actually hear everything he was saying. Not that I'm complaining about watching his videos more than once :)

[@donnerparty1815]

mic wants to know if you swallow?

[@SerafEnd]

Donner Party hahaha.. love it

[@crystalgrapes5618]

"I can't say I'm surprised since you're vaygen" AHHAHA that had me dying

[@joelights6476]

I laughed too but it made me sad as well cuz so many parents who eat processed junk etc are somehow skeptical of anything veggie/vegan even though they are overweight and on medications.

[@crystalgrapes5618]

Joe Lights me too man. It's not just my parents, but eventually they'll see how wrong they are

[@freediverhd]

The second I see UV, my blood pressure increases.

[@PedroDVC]

It's good for anything... less mucous, better breathing, I guess..

[@DimaRakesah]

I feel like Unnatural Vegan tries so hard to be logical to the point she will criticize anything she thinks is remotely a vegan "extreme" regardless of if it's the best recommendation or not.

[@thalassafischer5211]

DimaRakesah I've considered the possibility it's politically motivated. That she actually is rejecting real science because it conflicts with her being an objectivist libertarian or something. I keep waiting for her to cite the Cato Institute next.

[@thalassafischer5211]

because that isn't the definition of logic, it's actually her need to appear conformist or socially acceptable ..I called her Socially Acceptable Vegan to mock her a few times. She's either terrified of things which aren't mainstream or familiar (thus my aspergers theory) or this smug, obliviously ridiculous definition of "logic" she has is some sort of political Randroid thing...they don't like anything, including facts and reality, which limits capitalist plunder.

[@vanburensarah61]

Whole food plant based raised my kidney function from a GFR of 49 to 60 in just 87 days! And I am no longer a hypocrite that says I love animals while ordering a big Mac!

[@balifitzpatrick5351]

I barely even know Unnatural Vegan but have seen a few of her more recent videos now and it quickly becomes clear that she just doesn't feel comfortable with people striving to eat healthily. Imo (and I tend to be a good reader of people) she screams insecurity. And after watching a video of her's the other day where she mentioned the fact that she used to make herself sick after eating, that just backed up the hunch I had a little more. To me, she's had some bad experiences with diet and/or bad relationships with food and now she's wary of anything that seems too health-conscious and would rather encourage everyone to glug some oil and throw back the supplements, lest we should all become orthorexics, driven to insanity as our clean-eating obsessions consume us! There's other annoying traits (such as this know-it-all air others have detected too and the way she descredits anyone who gives nutritional advice but isn't a medical profession - and even then only one of her choosing that she likes and supports it would seem!) but that's probably the most obvious one that seems to be on-going according to those more familiar with her. I honestly hope she just drops it now and doesn't bother responding to Mic because it would just be so pointless. I find it rather pathetic...

[@Parralyzed]

This right here. Spot on

[@mjs28s]

plants are such a huge health supply for the blood. a couple of years ago, even while I was still very high whole plant foods, I still had a couple ounces of meat per day and maybe a little cheese. No milk at home, but if something was made at a restaurant that I ordered that had milk or cream in it I still ordered it. Exercising was walking and moderate weight training. Cholesterol was 304, 302, and 306 spread out over a couple of years. My HDL did hang around 65, probably due to the weight training. Last Friday my results were lower than I had ever seen my entire life, in my 40's now. Even with working out and walking less BUT I never order anything with animal products in it. If there is some in a meal from a restaurant I wouldn't know it and I doubt the waitstaff would. I mean who knows if some part of some marinade that gets used might have Worcester Shire Sauce or some other sauce like that in it. Anyhow, from what I can easily control, no animal foods at all. No dairy, cheese, or meat even though those were low compared to the average diet. Perhaps then I get 0.25% of my food from animal products but the 99.75% that I can control - nope, all plants for me. Cholesterol last week: 183 (and I am sure will still come down more as I eat so clean) So even cutting out the little animal products that I did made a huge difference. That huge drop came with being less physically active (no good gym here and the weather is sporadic) but I still try to walk and use dumbbells at home. High carb, high fiber, tons of fruit and veg. Some raw, some cooked, lots of great spices. I love it. Everything tastes great and I don't miss meat, milk or cheese at all but I also wasn't a huge eater of it before. Whether or not people care about animals we all want a longer or at least a healthy life until we drop dead so eat plants people! If you eat plants for the health of it, the environment is better off and animal welfare is better off. If you eat plants for the environment, then animal welfare is better off and your health is better off. If you eat plants for animal welfare, your health is better off and the environment is better off. Or, do it for all three reasons. Any reason is a good one as all three primary key reasons to be vegan will benefit. Oh, and +1 Mic. Love the videos and thanks for sharing the blood work. Those are good to show people now so they can see.

[@UncleJ2058]

That is the problem with eating "just a little" animal food. Dietary cholesterol does not raise cholesterol much but only if you already are eating a lot of meat, dairy and eggs and your cholesterol level is already high. If you are vegan and you eat some animal product it will cause your cholesterol level to spike.

[@mjs28s]

I always ate meat, dairy and eggs. I wasn't a vegan that added meat for awhile, which is why my cholesterol has been well over 250 since I was an early teenager. When my cholesterol was over 300 a few years ago I was already eating far less garbage and lbs per day more plant foods.

[@sonja4164]

mjs28s great comment!

[@joelights6476]

I love the 3 scenarios you give. I know all of those things but it's great to see them put in order that way. It helps cement the idea.

[@littlemissink]

"remembah where you get ya curly hair!" 😂 you're my favorite person.

[@MictheVegan]

Thanks, that's a great name.

[@littlemissink]

Thank you! :)

[@rachelAO]

I don't see a problem with recommending people eat the healthiest they can as a vegan. And predominately whole foods has research behind it to suggest it is the best way. Ultimately it's up to personal choice.

[@shawnmartin1289]

I've watched your videos and hers... I like data, I like well presented facts, and I like good reading recommendations via the sources. I dont like opinions based on emotional bias. Therefore, I like your videos better. Keep it up Mic... haters gonna hate. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

[@atlrichard7]

Everyone knows unnatural vegan is trying to make drama in the vegan community. Thats how she makes her views.

[@kana22693]

Then why did she delete her patreon?

[@atlrichard7]

Because she is trying to gain trust among the community. Your a good example of her efforts.

[@kana22693]

Trust doesn't put food on the table, I trust her but I wouldn't give her money if she brought back her patreon.

[@atlrichard7]

Less patreon begging can lead to more trust leading too more views a.k.a money. She's taking a risk. Besides nobody wants too fund the 2nd coming of freelee constantly attacking fellow vegans.

[@LorraineVirginie]

Unnatural Vegan is a waste of time. She's just out for views. Enjoyed the video as usual Mic, love how you always include SCIENCE and cite specific studies.

[@thalassafischer5211]

LorraineVirginie her science is bad on agriculture not just on nutrition

[@kellyk.8519]

ah that woman seems to be so negative about all Vegans. She should change her name to Negative Nancy

[@ImaginaryMdA]

"Mic the Vegan is a waste of time. He's just out for views. Enjoyed the video as usual Unnatural Vegan, love how she always includes SCIENCE and cites specific studies." See how empty and substance free your words are?

[@MikoVanara]

I'm looking forward to the cholesterol one, I told my sis my total cholesterol was in the 90s, with my HDL being in the 50s, and LDL in the 40s, and she said that was too low and that our brains need cholesterol, but I told her our body produces all the cholesterol it needs and that we didn't need to consume extra quantities of it. But she didn't want to listen.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

I've never subscribed and then unsubscribed to someone as fast I did with Unnatural Vegan

[@KXP70]

Phil Ad She talks shit. And her videos are long winded, boring and without much substance.

[@ChinaTramLee]

Same here! I was subscribing to a lot of new Vegan youtubers and I subscribed to hers before finishing the first video I watched and I couldn't even finish it.

[@donnahornsey8240]

I did the same to be honest (I'm fairly new and have recently subscribed to a few Vegan You tubers). I prefer to watch people who give me tips and advice in a fun way and yes of course people like Mic who use science to get their point across.

[@marciab1279]

Same here

[@marciab1279]

But then look at her name, UNATURAL VEGAN...speaks volumns.

[@Christuserloeser]

The two of you approach this topic from two completely different angles. She's highlighting how easy it is to live vegan in hope it would entice more people to give it a try while you are more into the science, trying to optimize the health aspect of a plant based nutrition. Both angles are important, and I believe can and should co-exist.

[@Raven.13]

Christuserloeser while I see exactly where you are coming from and to some extent agree. The health aspect is huge reason for most people switching to vegan eating. You cant have the best of both worlds (processed foods and health) without the effort.

[@jefflittle8913]

Here is another viewpoint. Before Dr. Gregor was popular, vegans were probably around .5% of the population of the US. Now that is probably closer to 2%. That wasn't all him, obviously, but people like Dr. McDougall and Dr. Esselstyn were growing around the same time. It is the Nutritional side of things that has been powering the movement over the last decade.

[@Ellen_Ellison]

But it's a lot more fun to pick sides, split the community, and sling mud. FWIW, Unnatural Vegan's approach is what gave me the final push to go vegan. So all the people saying she's a carnist shill is full of mock bologna.

[@Raven.13]

Sister Miriam Godwinson UV helped give me make the leap too, it was around the time an Ryan were 'arguing' over Splenda. She is great until you realise that she is full of it. When she talks about something you know a a bit about. The final straw for me was when she uses dead people to prove her point about Gearson therapy. I'm not an alternative therapies believer and would be in full support a video exposing Gearson. But to leave a video up bashing a dead womens name is heartless. Wait until the talks heartlessly about you care about.

[@thalassafischer5211]

Poison Ivy yeah I used to defend her because I was all like "but we need mainstream acting people to drag all the timid conformists in"...but then she just started to piss me off with her misinformation falsely labeled as "science." I'm like look lady, confirming people's bias on bad science isn't real science. I think it's dangerous that she confirms false "facts" that mostly serve corporate capitalism, and do nothing in reality for science, the environment or veganism. It's one thing to drag in the sheeple who are intimidated by how free thinking or non-conforming many vegans in the spotlight are, it's entirely another to spread misinformation.

[@VeganFootsoldier]

i got your back bro lol

[@Alexandra-th7hm]

🌸😄😘 Hahah! I lost it with the Volkswagen bit! This is great and you are as well, keep up the good work!

[@speshulgay]

This is totally random but your eyes are fucking gorgeous. I think that every time I watch your videos so I finally said it. Anywho thanks for the video and the response to unnatural vegan. I like her but I agree she acted like your recommendations were mandates. It's entertaining to see you guys go back and forth though lol I don't follow most youtube "drama" but at least you guys have intelligent arguments about something that's important to me. Plus I'm too lazy to research whether oil is really that bad so I just watch you guys and find out. I need to slow down on the chickenless nuggets...

[@MictheVegan]

lol thanks. Yeah it's not exactly the most dramatic drama. I did have Unnatural Vegan the musical at the end in response to her song but I took it out because I felt it wasn't really in the spirit of debate.

[@thisnotthat6326]

Eyes and red beard :D

[@paolabaatz]

Damn it i would love to hear that musica!! Im sure you came up with something really funny :P

[@gowthamogowtham3029]

ultra instinct

[@adityakotapalli8392]

you are just hot in general mic

[@shannonweymark2308]

I normally find yourself and Unnatural Vegan as my two biggest sources of knowledge on KZbin when it comes to veganism since you always back stuff up with relevant sources. But after this video, I see the hippocracy Unnatural Vegan portrays. I knew your response was going to be good but you really took the cake on this one!! It was classy, well thought out, and confident. You rock Mic, I'm so impressed.

[@Chameleam]

NERD FIIIIIIGHT!!!! Haha just kidding. I used to be a big fan of Unnatural Vegan. Oddly enough, I always watched her videos as an omnivore. As I was transitioning to a vegan diet I found Mic's channel and his videos really solidified my choice. Mic, you are an AWESOME KZbinr. Keep up the good work. You've honestly inspired me to stand up and speak out for what I believe in in my own life.

[@maegene2378]

New subscriber here.... And I've just spent the last four hours watching your videos.. I grew up vegan till I was roughly thirteen or so... I remember witnessing drastic changes in both my parents health... Fast forward, here I am in my thirties battling a ridiculous number of health issues for someone my age, constantly telling myself it's got to be my diet but stubbornly refusing to give up my beloved animal products..... Four hours on your channel and a horrific allergy induced migraine last night may have just been the push I needed to finally head in that direction... Thx for the awesome RESEARCH BASED channel. I love research and science as opposed to simply anecdotal evidence. Awesome. Love it. ... Also loved the rebuttal/rant at the end. Way to keep it classy 😉

[@bh1021]

Post more recipes please! Love your videos, keep it up!

[@gilbertadam6105]

"She was talking too slowly had to speed up " LMFAO HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[@adg8023]

I think eating processed vegan foods is fine from time to time, but they shouldn't be included as part of regular vegan diet. It's unhealthy (the added folic acid for one thing is carcinogenic) in many ways and very expensive. What happens is many of newly converted vegans eat that way thinking it's healthy, until they get sick from "vegan diet" and renounce vegan diet altogether. Whole food vegan diet is the way to go and it's what all vegans should strive for. Not suggesting we all have to be perfect in that sense all of the time, but that we shouldn't be promoting a processed foods vegan diet as "healthy" or even sufficient because it's neither.

[@jamaninone2889]

I don't understand why she is so critical of someone to help others learn about nutrition? Should every vegan youtuber talk about junk food and provide no guidelines on how to be healthy?

[@andreaanonymous5474]

As vegans, I think it's important for us to recommend that people get their blood tested if possible before becoming vegan. Years ago, I was severely deficient in iron, B12 and vitamin D. That was back when I used to eat plenty of meat, dairy and eggs every single day. I got lucky that I had my blood tested before I became vegan otherwise some ignorant medical doctor would have blamed my vegan diet. The typical standard American diet is massively nutritionally deficient. For this reason, I recommend that everyone get their blood tested before they go vegan.

[@sophietorres6256]

I totally agree on the oil thing, Mic. I'm oil free but one thing I never understood was how Italians and Greeks can be relatively healthy with so much oil in their diet? Maybe you could do a video on this?

[@tupaj123]

Unnatural Vegan is just a vegan troll akin to Vegan Gains minus the good advice.

[@intralimpidus6216]

vegan gains ain't no troll

[@bonemarrow21]

+Intra he's MUCH worse than a troll, he's an absolutely TERRIBLE ATROCIOUS human being and I have to question anybody who is a fan of his. Making people with cancer, his comments about stomping babies, his hypocrisy, anybody who is his fan has to be a bad person.

[@intralimpidus6216]

Well he is actively trying to prevent cancer by advocating a whole food vegan diet, so he's doing a great thing, and he only "mocks" people with cancer, when they refuse to go vegan and stop killing animals to prevent their cancer despite being shown all the evidence that going vegan will help. His comments about babies are only satirical COMMENTS, he never has stomped in a baby and never will. Please explain how he is a hypocrite...

[@danield2dx]

bonemarrow21 HAHAHA, you are trolling, right?

[@bonemarrow21]

+Daniel Danso no are you? It sounds like it. If you are a fan of Vegan Gains, you're a terrible human being. That's not even remotely debatable.

[@tbd3602]

good shiz bro..... always killing em ;)

[@MictheVegan]

A1 Vegan thanks Ali

[@VeganEmbassy]

Great video on responding to her bs, I'm really fed up with people like her who choose to lie & twist things about other vegans, she wastes time & energy on crap like that rather than help veganism to grow. Keep up the great work Mic

[@strongeronplants]

I went for full body check-up last year, doctor said I'm "somehow" in over-intake of protein :D + that my anemia (iron deficiency) is not caused by low intake, but by high output and he had no clue where it is disappearing... O_o any idea? Btw. he didn't even ask about my diet.

[@Raven.13]

Yeah you didn't misrepresent her the first time.

[@ccrobohn]

lol laughing so hard, I love that you retaliate with facts and humor rather than vicious personal attacks. Classy 👍🏼

[@JN-xv9tl]

Mic., your humor is thoroughly appreciated.

[@kazaakas]

You're starting to become my favorite youtuber. Or at least on par with NutritionFacts. Many vegan channels are either a bit too obnoxiously bashing (like vegan gains) or really mild and peacey against criticism. You seem to have the perfect ratio down. No nonsensical insults, maybe a few jokes that only make yourself look a bit silly (:D), but just logic reasoning. Love it.

[@SittingKittyColorado]

When I first started a plant-based (vegan) diet last summer (coming from a vegetarian diet), I consumed a lot of vegan KZbin vids. Unnatural Vegan was one of them. I became disheartened by her negativity and criticisms of things that were bound in science. Because, science. I then decided I would no longer follow her. She wasn't the only one that was dragging things down...lots of vegan drama out there...but she just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry she feels the need to put on her tiara and bash you, Mic (Mike?) it's unfortunate. I understand your need to defend yourself. Hopefully she will tone it down and focus on more positive topics. BTW, I say plant-based because I am in it for my health. The ethics surrounding it is a great side effect. ;-)

[@joelights6476]

"lots of vegan drama out there" There's so much drama because veganism does attract a lot of emotionally charged people. C'mon, there's a reason why vegans have the reputation they do. Born-again people are often kinda preachy (exercise, religion, diet, whatever). This is the first video of this guy I've seen and it's a good video. It's the least preachy/annoying/condescending video I've come across from a vegan with lots of followers. I'm far more likely to watch more of this guy's videos than any of the larger vegan channels I've come across because he seems more level headed. Then again, maybe I've hit on something. Most of the larger vegan channels are kinda douchey so I guess that's what sells. Vegan Gains is obviously down for fighting, and That Vegan Couple are hopelessly condescending whilst wearing smiles and promoting positivity. It's hard for people to accept vegans because its just a fact that too many of them are annoying assholes.

[@paulaaquino]

Could you make a video about coconut oil? I feel very confused about it...

[@MegaFreeSpeech]

I dont really get why you are both critiquing each other. Both your diets are appealing for different reasons and she tried to say in her follow up that she doesn't think whole food vegan diets are bad... just when they are promoted as being absolutes that they become 'crazy' and a turn off (which for me is true). I personally don't think that you are an example of this thus why i follow you and trust your advice. That being said your suggestions can be hard to get and very specific... usually being the more expensive whole foods. Yes i can order in bulk to make it cheaper but thats still forking out a big amount at one time to have it posted (which is hard enough to get done right in an apartment like mine in Australia). Anyway. I hope one of you holds up the white flag at some point because your both the sane part of vegan youtube and i think its more efficient for you to collaborate then argue who is the better source of information and protect your street rep. I come to you guys to get away from all that.

[@MegaFreeSpeech]

Oh and the comments on this video are so worrying. Why are people so mean?

[@JeyPeyy]

lol thanks for being a reasonable voice in this comment section

[@TheVeganPoet1]

Actually B12 stores can take up to 20-25 years to run out, not just after a few years of being vegan.

[@mr.lagafact4731]

M. Butterflies Katz a vegan diet does not lack any vitamin B12. You need to do a lot more research and go to university.

[@MsShawty145]

Is the unnatural vegan even vegan to begin with???!

[@nandorblue]

Unnatural Vegan is a natural negative thinker.

[@annetteleggett9854]

I find the processed vegan foods (vegan meats & cheeses) very expensive compared to buying whole foods.

[@Daphles]

I'm not gonna comment on the whole UV debate because there's already plenty comments about that (including me, in the vid, rip my heart) and rather stick to how entertaining the vid was! I'll probably go get my blood checked in the next 6 months or so to see if I've made even further improvements and raised my blood iron levels from lower normal range to the middle (coming from anaemic as a non-vegan) & I finally managed to click the little notification button. Definitely looking forward to seeing your video on cholesterol!

[@plantplanetearth509]

I have to stop using oil. There is already a lot of oil in foods. About UV... "She secretly crushes on you."

[@joelights6476]

Hey, what better way to get the attention of a cute boy than to make sure he'll respond. I think they should settle their differences in person....

[@plantplanetearth509]

Joe Lights Lol. Actually Michael's type is probably a blue eyed blonde.

[@isabelpaz6248]

Do others What I Eat videos, and recipes please! I want to be as healthy as you. :v LY

[@courtneyann9846]

Honestly Mike, you're the most logical vegan that I follow here on YT. I can tell you really put in the effort to do proper research, which I appreciate, because it must take a lot of time to read through so many studies. Also, I'm not even vegan. I'm an omnivore, but watching you has helped me to greatly reduce my animal product consumption. I eat less meat and very rarely do I ever consume dairy. I make vegan meals all the time. I'm hoping that I'll be able to gradually transition to veganism, or at least a plant based diet, sometime soon. :)

[@avidian888]

I like how you did this one! No drama in the title, that's cool.

[@michaeldenny3472]

I now have enough information to unsubscribe to Ms. Un NATURAL VEGAN. I was growing more concerned with some of her information but being whole food plant based vegan for only 5 months I was not sure who to believe. But you often quote my favorite doctors like Greger, and others so How Not to Die is my bible and my goal is a long healthy life. Thanks for all you do!

[@gingerbreadman1245]

Is Unnatural Vegan really just a shill? Ive been following her for years and it seems that way more with every video.

[@anthula4416]

Mic, you are adorable, and although I'm omnivorous I find your channel refreshingly coherent and so informative. Thank you for not thrusting a social agenda down my throat. Your channel and VeganAthlete are 2 of my favorites and I reference you both often. Veganism seemed so freakish before, but I see the benefits and possibilities. Much love

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Not trying to start anything mic,I’m just unsure if you know this or not but albumin is not a protein that effects muscle growth or development. Having more of it in your blood means you might have healthy blood pressure. That’s the purpose of albumin to regulate blood pressure. Not build muscle. It’s like comparing having more protein in your hair than a meat eater. Blood, muscle, skin, and hair are all made up of proteins. But different kinds. Great vid btw: I appreciate your love of science as I too am working towards my masters degree in marine biology.

[@davidstewart4149]

That woman never gives a rational argument. She just has prejudices, and spouts them out.

[@GossipGirlLover1991]

I've been a fan of yours from the beginning. You are easily one of my favourite vegan channels on KZbin. Watched her video while eating popcorn and laughed at the ridiculously idiotic things she said. As a vegan advocate myself (I cohost and edit at an animal advocacy radio station in my home town.), i can tell you that advocating for health is the #1 reason people first turn to veganism. Once they learn the ethical side, they stay vegan for life. So her channel of the "correct" way to be an advocate is so stupid. There is no right way to do anything.

[@MictheVegan]

Yeah, that's the one claim I regrettably didn't cover. The idea that people don't care about their health is ridiculous and clearly just her own belief. The problem is, 75-95% of people think they eat healthy already (www.livescience.com/10389-big-fat-disconnect-90-diets-healthy.html) so they don't have the motivation to change. Obviously this is incorrect and I hate to be doing shock journalism, but part of my job is to let people know that what they eat is not in fact healthy. I like to think we have an ecosystem of vegan advocacy. She wants a monoculture.

[@susieambrose2662]

I appreciate hearing a response to your critics. It helps to know what your answers are - it's actually a great opportunity to give additional information and prove how other arguments don't hold up. So thanks!

[@elegy5354]

It disappoints me that any disagreement can be perceived as "drama." Both you and UV have been polite - it's really helpful to have discussions like this. It's not drama, I really appreciate the research both of you do!

[@EricaMorgan]

I honestly feel like unnatural vegan is a junk food vegan that is continuously making excuses for her crap diet. It's like she feels bad for it so she has to make videos excusing it away. NEWSFLASH: we dgaf if you want to eat junk food!

[@roxyvelez2331]

she is so negative. I would say don't even watch any of her videos.. don't give her more views. :)

[@veggievendetta131]

I am currently working on my MS in nutrition and my RD coursework, and I'm taking a course on micronutrient metabolism, and my professor was saying that a lot of the blood work that shows micronutrient testing is inherently flawed because it only shows a static measure of levels.... so basically it only shows you a short term snapshot of your vitamin status. so if you took a B12 supplement before your test for example, your B12 would be elevated because it's been recently absorbed into your blood stream and is still in circulation. A test like that wouldn't always tell you if you were deficient or if that nutrient was properly absorbed or being utilized. Instead you would need a functional measure of vitamin status (such as dim light vision tests for vit. A status) that would prove that the processes that depend on that vitamin are working optimally--- these in some cases can be tricky, invasive, and expensive. I was wondering if this is something you have looked into at all or perhaps this would be a good topic for a video since a lot of vegans rely on tests like this to justify the lifestyle..... in the past I have waived mine around proudly when people question my health status as a long term vegan, but now I'm not so sure if that's a reliable measure. thoughts??

[@NatSaysQui]

YOU ARE AMAZING!!! I went vegan last year for 9 months and then gave into peer pressure. I documented and definitely noticed huge changes in my energy level, my acne clearing, my bowel movements, and fat loss. Even though everyone else in my life has stated that they "love meat too much" to give it up, I am going vegan AGAIN starting August 1st. YOU HAVE BEEN SO KNOWLEDGEABLE AND A POSITIVE INFLUENCE FOR ME!!!

[@FirstNameLastName000]

I think it's very interesting that at 8:44 the other KZbinr suggests following advice of professionals however dismisses the fact that many medical professionals suggest a yearly blood test to accompany one's physical... source: I have my blood test done yearly when visiting the women's doctor upon their recommendation... They recommend a comprehensive testing that includes vitamin and mineral testing... and it's standard practice at their office-- sorry if this is TMI -- I just don't understand what sort of professionals the other KZbinr is mentioning? An expensive dietitian? How is that practical or cheap? Or NutrionFacts.org -- that's both professional and free advice -- but oh wait, she doesn't like him for some reason? -- It's confusing...

[@veronikalah2718]

I thought the exact same thing about her promoting processed foods cause it's cheaper.. how?? In which world does she live in? I'd buy one vegan salami/steak/sausage/burger for 3-4 € depending on the brand and it would last me one freaking meal, and it's just pure sh*t. If I buy 1 pound of chia seeds/flax I pay for it around 3 or 4 € but it would last me 1 month or more. As other people said, it's not fair of her to misrepresent data and scare people into eating bad diets. She keeps on saying how most people would be discouraged from veganism because of whole food plant based diet.. but is she forgetting the audience that does want to eat like that? Perhaps she convinced some people into giving up the whole food diet because they were scared they wouldn't get enough of nutrients. I almost bought it myself, because I want to do what's best for my body and if somebody throws around claims that it's dangerous or crazy eating whole foods, then I could even believe it and eat processed. Thankfully I researched it before believing it, but not everyone does that. She bases everything around her. She thinks that just because she can't "live" without eating processed foods and drinking plant milks that everyone is like that. What if I don't want to drink plant milks? Oh then you MUST take a supplement! Or you will become deficient in calcium. Nonsense.

[@joyceruddy584]

Just discovered you! My only regret at this discovery is that it meant also discovering Unnatural Vegan. I could have lived without that. ;-) Thanks for rationality!

[@kellyk.8519]

blood tests are awesome, that's why I chose to become a Vegan. I was silently killing myself with my food choices. my liver isn't working properly, I got diagnosed with diabetes and I only have one kidney. I'm only week one into the change. I feel these videos are a great help.

[@AYouTubeCommentator]

Is it weird that I eat meat, but like to watch many different vegan KZbinrs? Is it weird?

[@Amalvyr]

TheObserver nothing wrong with watching educational stuff regardless of your dietary choices

[@Goodwalker720]

Yes, it is weird that you eat meat.

[@trish5111]

TheObserver Join us bwa ha ha ha (supposed to be an evil laugh)

[@Hannah-wh3vo]

TheObserver I don't want to alarm you... but that's how I went vegan 😱 Be careful!

[@Jasenleon]

Yeah, it's called not having a back bone.

[@MictheVegan]

My comments haven't gone through on her video about me so if someone wants to post the link on her vid feel free: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnjHaYCtbrOUf5Ym45s If it's already on there then don't worry about it. Hopefully this is the last time I will feel a need to talk about anyone for a while.

[@aarthemuse6946]

Maybe she blocked you, nothing new here.. your response is on point though :)

[@laurieparis2203]

Mic. the Vegan good policy, only it WAS terribly funny!😂

[@ImDemonWolf]

I sent your link to her response video SIR. :)

[@JasonBowman121]

Mic. the Vegan , I was under the assumption that tahini was like oil? is that incorrect?

[@ConeKajolinka]

Jason Bowman its grounded sesami seeds, wholefood

[@jarkagod]

mic's approach to responding to criticism is the best of all youtubers. calm and reasoned, and asking your fans not to pile-on. a good person in the broadest, most holistic sense. that said, unnatural vegan is highly disingenuous and always has been.

[@amossymindset]

Dude. Coming from a ten-year vegan - YOU. ROCK. I've seriously been sending links to my loved ones about this information all week. Thank you for taking the time to compile all of this research for us!

[@map1825]

I love your videos. I'm very appreciative that you replied to Unnatural Vegan's response video. Her videos are extremely smug and often incorrect. At one point I actually subscribed to her, but I unsubscribed years ago. I do my own research, but I'm very interested in hearing your response to her. From my research a whole food plant based diet, with some select supplements is a major reason to be Vegan (I because a Vegan on 1 January, 2015 because of that research). Thank you very much for all the great and informative videos you post, with all the research and energy you put into them. Please keep it up!

[@BauhausCure]

Mic, you rock. unnatural vegan had no right to attack you like that. I think people do things like that because they are insecure about their own bad diets. I use your "Oil- The Vegan Killer" video to talk about oils and fats all the time! Keep doing the work you do!

[@blah-blah-ciel8136]

In a recent video “Am I fat? Is being fat bad for veganism?”, *Swayze took Dr. McDougall completely out of context* and *misquoted* what he actually said about *healthy weight* @4:02 mark of that video she says "… HCLF movement … when you are listening to McDougall who believe that you should be incredibly skinny and that’s the ideal … really unattainable level of thinness for us… *for me I should be around 108lbs or something* …” [she is saying that at the height of 5ft 3 in., according to Dr. McDougall, her ideal weight should be 108lbs - something Dr. McDougall *never* said] When I asked Swayze to provide the source from where she quoted Dr. McDougall, she gave a link of one his newsletters titled “ How Do I Gain Weight on the McDougall Diet? I’m Not Joking!” (along with a link for one of her older video) and claimed she *did not misquote Dr. McDougall* Here’s the summary (my own words, you can go and read for yourself) of Dr. McDougall’s newsletter which Swayze used to misquote him - --> First Dr. McDougall says you may not be too thin (and may be alright, notice how he does not say you are alright for sure) and shows a chart of Dr. Kempner’s findings - nowhere he says it’s THE *ideal weight* , in fact he clearly states *not* to look at the chart as *goal weights* --> He then says " _One Important Precaution_ . If you are too thin and have any concern that this might be a health issue then please check with your doctor " --> Finally, he gave suggests to consume more of healthy fats (nuts, seeds etc.) if you want to gain some weight (while following his prescription) A pure *fabrication* of Dr. McDougall’s view on healthy weight, imo … … NOWHERE IN THAT NEWSLETTER DR. MCDOUGALL SUGGESTED *108lbs* IS THE *IDEAL WEIGHT* FOR SOMEONE WHO IS *5 feet and 3 inches* TALL ... (and this is not the first time SWAYZE has done something similar) Swayze has something (at a *personal level* , it appears) against doctors/scientists/nutritionists/anyone who promotes a healthy plant based diet *You can be a vegan for ethical reasons but can still be unethical in other aspects of your life* , it seems [Mic, you can check the whole comment thread in her video where I (and Swayze) made the comments in response to an account named *boi boi* ]

[@CalisCreativity]

I absolutely love the fact that he includes links to actual studies! There are so many who just tell the facts but don't support their information. I love this channel :)

[@frafor]

Thanks for letting us know about your tests; it is very encourgaing info. Sorry about this tendency to scratch as “crazy” any new ideas that strongly oppose tradition. Do this “drama” thing as often as you wish: it is elightening. Again, thanks for such an honest and good job you have commited to.

[@olivialoveworthy]

I support you, Mic! Thank you for your hard work. You have to be very smart to cover all angles of an argument the way you do. Too bad you have to waste time defending yourself, but at least you do it with class and humility, and you don't let the message get lost in the process.

[@1998tkhri]

By the way, if you (+Mic. the Vegan or anyone else) is able to afford it, July 5-9 or July 7-9 is the North American Vegetarian Society's Summerfest at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. It's a great conference that promotes WFPB veganism for health, ethics, and the environment. Dr. Greger speaks there live every year!

[@jamessilentddjelal7748]

Dude.... I started this journey a few days ago after my girlfriend made me watch "What the Health".... (which I'm still upset with her about).... the hardest thing is to remember I'm doing it but if I hadn't of found your channel I know I wouldn't be feeling infused and excited about doing this and going all the way... thanks man...... oh and the girlfriend LOVEs your channel

[@tanjag.8805]

You've got no need to defend yourself. Everyone has their own opinion and the smart people will quickly figure that you know your stuff, what you meant and who to watch. Rise above Mic. Rise above. And keep up the good work.

[@noellewithane6111]

My bloodwork came out squeaky clean and the nurse told me over the phone that my cholesterol was 0 which she had never seen in her 40+ years as a nurse...I followed a vegetarian diet for 7 years with sections of time spent being vegan. Cutting out dairy is hard work.

[@clairewolf6013]

Please no drama, please no drama, please no drama... I always loved this channel for staying reasonable and detached from any drama. Please, Mic., if you got to defend yourself, then do so without attacking UV personally. Stay emotionally correct! People are gonna start thinking that vegans care more about dissing eachother than the animals.

[@NoExitLoveNow]

Chia Seeds are sold on Amazon (easily available) and cost $16.50 for three pounds (they are also in my supermarket at a somewhat higher price). This is fairly expensive as food goes, but this is a miniscule part of my diet. Yes, canola oil is cheaper, but there are a lot of foods cheaper than other foods. I don't think we need to all eat fried potatoes, beans, and supplements - or whatever the cheapest source of all our nutrients would be.

[@IntenseCity]

19 years vegan, and proud A.F.

[@jamesgoodwin7742]

I’m in the middle of my BMI range and people at work think I’m super skinny. They don’t realize how fat they are because overweight is the new normal. I used to look like them and thought I was ok until my doctor said I was 20 lbs overweight. Lost 30 lbs and I can see muscles and veins I haven’t seen since I was in high school. Makes me feel young again.

[@johnharb1534]

smashed it mic. good job !!!!

[@vegantreemama4873]

Great video. I am glad you addressed unnatural vegans comments and in such a polite manner. I can't wait for more of your awesome content and Gratz on you awesome blood test results.

[@cat5220]

I WATCHED A TEN MINUTE VIDEO FROM SOME DUDE IN A WHITE COAT ABOUT CHOLESTEROL FOR YOU AND YOUR WALLET!!!!! Appreciate my suffering Mic. I’m doing this for you dude.

[@OneiricBlur]

Thanks for being the voice of reason and rationality (and fact) Mic, as usual ;) xoxo

[@TerryJ950]

Hi Mic, I'm a recent retiree and have gone whole food plant based this past December. No going back! I've reversed so many age related issues and lost ten pounds to boot! I've been binging on your videos and love the info mixed with the humor. Kind of the reason I've been following Dr. Greger and his daily dozen since the beginning of my transition. Being a more "mature" vegan, I really don't go in for all the KZbin drama. C'mon folks, please don't tell me that eating veggies and fruit, legumes nuts and seeds, no SOS, is crazy. Crazy healthy!

[@danield2dx]

I used to sub to UV and I stayed in the longest until I could not stand it. I really tried to cling onto the positive but in the end even that wasn't enough. I feel that she is so concerned by finding a moderate conservative vegan diet that directly, without tweaking fits everyone, instead of dishing out a smorgasbord of options and let people choose what might fit them the best depending on their own preference. I myself sway between ethics/health as my primary reason and for me a mostly wholefood is the way to go. Someone who is in it for mainly ethics might not have the "energy" to go go whole food. Because, wether you go down a path or not, is a calculation of the cost in light of the benefit. Goooo team Mic. 👍🏾