Vegan Blood Testing Breakdown: Activism VS Science

[@aniE1869]

A better comparison would be vegan women vs omnivores women.

[@sinister0vampira]

yes, I don't understand comparing stats with men since their values for almost everything are higher....

[@aleprst]

I’m not watching this video because of this.

[@lisabakos9291]

Why not compare vegan/veg/omni women?

[@Nectar_Ix]

Agreed! plus the supposed vegan woman was consuming a latte with whipped cream and honey- not vegan…. Misleading

[@w1975b]

@@polarvortex880 I know you believe you eat almost no junk because society has said beans, fruits, grains, etc are not junk...but they *are* when you look at carb content and lack of nutrition compared to animal foods. No plant contains every essential nutrient for humans, no combination of plants will provide them either. This may seem like an attack, but it's just stating facts proven through science. What do you mean when you say "premenstrual"? Do you mean premenopausal? Or have you lost your periods?

[@poetsguide]

My wife of 30 years at the time tried to do a strict vegan diet. Within a year her menstruation stopped so her doctor told her to start eating animal foods again like eggs and fish. When she went back to omnivore her menstruation returned and we had one more child.

[@tropicaoptica]

This will happen to anyone under eating on calories.

[@Hannah-pc7hg]

To anyone who is malnourished, it will happen. Which was the case here. Calories in vs calories out is just a myth by the way. I never count calories, but eat real and clean food. My bloodwork was really good this month.

[@poetsguide]

I doubt she was under-eating. My wife was very particular with her diet and even hired a vegan nutritionist to help set up her daily meals. She did not fast and in fact ate often in between her three meals as her vegan diet kept her hungry all the time.

[@mr.bread3circus]

@@poetsguide Biodiversity, DNA, passed down genetics HAVE to be factored into a persons thought process, prior to eating strictly plant based or all fruit diet. I.e. what did her ancestors before her eat? Which part of the world did her heredity live in? So-called African Americans (as I am labeled🙄) have different enzymes, organ function, gastric function, bone mineral density, cellular structure, ATP production, vaginal microbiome differences, and the list goes on.

[@mr.bread3circus]

@@poetsguide Point being, eating a plant based diet shouldn't be sold in typical marketing fashion... In all simplicity, "it ain't for every body." Pun intended. I've been successful subscribed to an all vegetable but MOSTLY fruit diet for a decade now, and @ the age of 40, I've noticed no drop off in energy since I started, I actually have about the same energy I had at 30, no gray hair, and I'm still lean and hear that I look 28.... Can't say the same for friends and family (brothers and sisters included) that don't adhere to the lifestyle I choose.... Multiple factors play into that though. 🤷🏾‍♂️✌🏽

[@steakershocks]

I did a vegan diet for 3 months. My A1C was 5.2 and LDL was 91 and Trig was 94. Lowest the numbers have ever been. I had the best results on the vegan diet... Highest calcium, highest protein... you name it.....When I say Vegan I mean Whole foods Plant Based. Chia seeds, flax seeds, oat meal, lentils, beans, real foods not pastries and fake ass fast food.... Quality matters more than the diet you do if you eat highly processed foods you are going to have terrible results vegan or not...

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

I have a vegan friend who poo poo's my mainly carnivore diet even tho i reversed metabolic syndrome and lost 60lbs and just look miles better.. ive asked her to get some blood tests done then we can compare and then Id take her diet more seriously... that was 3 years ago and Im still waiting.

[@ForTehNguyen]

she probably forgot because of the vegan brain fog they experience often

[@rebeccacarraway480]

Bc they’re stuck in an ideology

[@dawnelder9046]

She will not see a doctor until her health has hit rock bottom and something like her job is at stake.

[@davem4193]

I have a vegan friend who just can't understand why she's prediabetic because she eats almost strictly vegetables. I told her I reversed my own prediabetes with the carnivore diet and she has no interest. She's now taking a weight loss drug from Big Pharma. Imagine rather taking a drug with side effects than eating a whole food, meat based diet.

[@bcjammer87]

My deepest condolences to your low IQ friend

[@Optimization_Coach]

Some of the sickest clients I have ever come across are Vegans!!! Many different types of veganism of course, so context matters!

[@RaceLever]

Plenty of junk food Vegans since Veganism isn't a diet or a health movement primary... Yet still here in Reality the average Vegan does statistically better than the average animal eater despite it not even primarily being a health movement and not even being a diet to begin with... ;-)

[@dhlong1697]

Honey isn't vegan, though I find it interesting that some claim it's not carnivore either.

[@poetsguide]

Yep it’s neither. Although Carnivore promotes eating animal foods, they avoids anything with sugar. Vegans avoid honey because it’s an animal food.

[@gantz0949]

I found the comment section waaay more beneficial reading everyone's experiences than the actual video. He needs to a meta analysis rather than cherry picking just two individuals

[@raykinney9907]

I think he was just giving good examples of thought process in assessment, not trying at all to be comprehensive.

[@mikepublic111]

If I ate nothing but white sugar and white flour and white rice, you could say that I was following a vegan diet. But nobody would say that's a healthful diet. Why don't you present the results of someone who has followed a whole-food plant-based (WFPB) diet for two years?

[@kristingoettlicher3503]

Exactly.

[@gantz0949]

Ikr or choosing some one who eats processed vegan meat

[@ticketforlife2103]

30 years old omnivore male, exercises 3 times a week, my diet is mostly animal based. Blood tested 2 days ago: Triglycerides 59mg/dl HDL 50 LDL 77 RATIO 1.5 My doctor could not believe it.

[@joeberrouard3743]

Why could they not believe it?

[@VanillaAttila]

I'm 32 plant based, Trigs 14.4 HDL 24 LDL 41

[@marilync8133]

​@@VanillaAttilayou're hdl which is good cholesterol is really low and your ldl is strangely low..you need cholesterol in ure diet

[@VanillaAttila]

@@marilync8133 HDL helps clear out LDL though, so why is it an issue for me? I don't see any conclusive studies saying it should be higher when LDL is low too?

[@le832]

@@VanillaAttila​​⁠I agree. My Total Cholesterol is usually lowish 145-160 regardless of my diet-more directly related to my weight. And my HDL is between 49-55. Usually the TC goes up with weight and HDL and LDL follow. But if someone’s LDL is low I don’t see why HDL needs to be so high.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@joshuasharrock466]

The sad reality is people are going to take this politically when all you and we are trying to do is educate for health. I have no problem debating morals with an open mind. This however is a different topic

[@ralphmartinez8616]

Screw em

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

@@ralphmartinez8616 i wish it were that easy.. they have more power over decision making and policy making entities. Looking after one's health is an uphill never ending battle. At the risk of sounding dramatic I feel like I'm under attack. Friends, family, my own doctor.. they all come for me when my diet is being discussed. Suddenly everyone I know is an expert on human beings and diet and doesnt matter what I say or what facts I bring up... I'm told "thats not right.. thats not true.. that cant be right" and when i had the energy to try to help them understand.... id make a point and id get "but....." and it would never end.

[@ifxman]

​@@user-io8bm6gz5zit's never going to end as long as health takes a back seat to fake food marketing. You can't un-brainwash anyone so just come to terms with that truth and stop trying to change their minds. It's sad because you care about them but they need to be right and you don't stand a chance in hell... HaHa

[@ashdgee]

I agree and this is so sad

[@KoiRun50]

Much better. Please do more of these case scenarios and lab values.

[@Vitlaus]

Modern people like to bash religion - Yet there are tangible benefits to treating your body as a temple. Also, developing wisdom/discernment can save you from experimental treatments and diets.

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

WF omni confirmed by the HB, so Leviticus 11 informs my meat choices..

[@RaceLever]

​@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Weird for you Bible thumpers to ignore that the Bible is quite clear that things like humans murdering each other and humans devouring animals is "fallen behavior" aka the result of sin entering and not Gods ideal according to the bible... Bible clearly shows that man was not originally created/designed to eat animals... It was the Garden of Eden not the slaughterhouse of eden... Get real... And that's only one of many ways that the Bible doesn't suit your animal abuse narrative... ;-)

[@sillyhead5]

8:29 it is intellectually dishonest to earnestly compare a 42-year old female vegan to a 34-yeard old athletic male omnivore as if there's any intelligent conclusion can be drawn from the comparison.

[@raykinney9907]

Not really comparing them, they seem to be just examples toward understanding thought processes necessary toward doing due diligence assessment. He is just scratching the surface of comprehensive lab work assessment, yet some commenters think he is trying to do RCT research!

[@actyrrel]

Mike, How can I like this more then once? LOL I have tried to figure this out on my own. Not a lot of data available for me.

[@BatmanBoss]

Like all the comments

[@vanessac1965]

Spent a year vegan and two years no red meat. Was taking an iron supplement which I thought had me covered. Turns out all the iron supplements on the market are non heme which has 2% absorption. My ferritin crashed and tsh rose. I put on weight. I spent most nights with bloating and gas trying to digest legumes. My libido tanked and I became depressed. You simply can't be a menstruating woman with no heme iron going on. AND I was doing lectin free, gluten free vegan. However, I still enjoy hemp protein protein powder despite going back to meat, I find it agrees with me.

[@drabnail777]

So why didn't you take a better iron supplement then? Sounds like wuss out tbh

[@btudrus]

@@drabnail777 "So why didn't you take a better iron supplement then?" Taking supplements is dumb. Eat the real food which is red meat...!

[@drabnail777]

@@btudrus Where do you think these HERBIVOROUS animals get their iron from?

[@poetsguide]

@@drabnail777herbivores like goats and cows have different digestive systems that can break down plant matter better than humans. We humans are omnivores, with digestive systems similar to dogs and wolfs so it’s better to get your iron from meat.

[@drabnail777]

@@poetsguide Literally the exact opposite. we are more similar to herbivores in so many regards; we savor and chew our food, our teeth are very flat (including canines), we have long digestive systems, we get cancer from meat

[@Basieeee]

Damn it's really really hard to replace meat, I've noticed online and around me vegan or vegetarian people often have malnutrition.

[@drabnail777]

Dude, meat eaters are obese af.

[@62Cristoforo]

I was vegetarian for ten and vegan for two years and lost many of my teeth as a result. Now I’m on a high animal food diet with sea salt and spring water, practically no vegetables, no breads, grains and flour products, and little fruit. For the record ... I eat lots of real milk (fresh, aka ‘raw’), cream, yogurt, kefir, eggs, wild caught fish, beef, bacon, butter, chicken, olive oil and sometimes avocados.

[@karenbarber5933]

I eat an animal based diet very similar to this. Felt fantastic especially after eliminating the grains, starches and flour

[@iryna4530]

What were you eating on the plant based diet?

[@kellipugno8602]

I followed a paleo style diet for 10 years. I also tried Keto when my health began to decline. What I experienced during this time period was weight gain, severe insomnia, heart arrhythmia, elevated cholesterol, chronic pain, hypothyroidism, and anemia. Against what I thought was my better judgment and at the end of my rope with trying everything, I tried a high carb/low fat diet and I have never felt better. I’m not sure where this will lead me and I’m not sure that this is for everyone, but I do know that ALL of the issues that i experienced for nearly 10 years have been completely resolved. For reference, I ate, meat/fish/eggs at least 2x daily, moderate fat, at least a pound of veggies a day, very little added sugar, I took high quality supplements and exercised regularly. What I am learning is that there is no one diet for everyone at every point in their lives. I still struggle with being ok with the amount of carbs I eat in a day, but my energy levels, clarity of mind, blood work and sleep quality keep me committed, for now. It’s been 6 months and I will continue to monitor.

[@littlebird3976]

Hey Kely,, what do you eat on your high carb diet now. I m still not shure what the right diet is for me. Keto I cant do because it makes me feel nauseous all the time

[@kellipugno8602]

All fruit (mostly berries), whole grains, lots of beans(I had to work up to this), potatoes, and lots of non starchy veggies (crucifers, leafy greens, etc). Again, this is what is working for me, right now. I have done some research-what I find is that you can find a valid study to prove many diets optimal. I think this all points to the unique needs of individuals. There are some foundations that are universal, but after that it’s all experimental.

[@kellipugno8602]

Also small amounts of whole fats like avocado, nuts and seeds. No oils and very little soy (miso).

[@gantz0949]

Same with me Kellie although I eat more soy especially edemame it's something I would've never touched before.

[@stacieparham2116]

@kellipugno8602 i am curious to know if you know your blood type? I have always been fascinated with the blood type diet where it does show some people working better with a plant based diet.

[@chicagodude8888]

I also get a kick out of the widespread belief thanks to the good people from the USDA and FDA that high cholesterol and heart disease are the only risk factors associated with early mortality.

[@ashleymcclung8495]

Why compared to omnivores males?

[@Highintensityhealth]

I work primarily with men, but can compare to omnivorous women next time, too.

[@Viralvideo_club]

@@Highintensityhealth Yes, please. And ideally with a bigger sample size and with controls for health on both side

[@lp7931]

I would be interested in seeing vegan women vs omnivore women. Specifically, menstrating women. Maybe whole food vegans vs while food omnivores.

[@greensmoothieparty]

My mom is not statistically significant or peer reviewed but her experience has had real significance among her circle of friends and family. 3 years ago, my 84 year old mother finally had a follow up appointment with her physician which was delayed for months because her doctor has been in charge of treating Covid patients in the hospital and in nursing homes and was not able to meet with her. She had a full blood panel taken for this visit and her doctor was astounded at the progress she had made during the last year. She is now no longer diabetic and she was instructed to stop taking insulin after having been on it for 12 years. Her doctor also praised her kidney function which has never looked better. Also, she couldn't believe that her total cholesterol was only 139, with LDL of 67, HDL of 60, and triglycerides of 82 which is a big improvement for her. According to the Framingham Heart Study, these numbers mean that she is virtually "heart attack proof" as many plant based doctors have noted. Her physician (Johns Hopkins med school grad) mentioned that she is reconsidering the diet for her family based on this experience. She also asked my mom to share her experience with our community after the pandemic. All of these results are exactly what I had hoped would occur. Below is a typical day of eating for her. I plugged her bloodwork test values into the Levine Biological Age Calculator (Yale) and she has aged minus 18 years during the last 4 years. I joke with her that she may be required to give up her Social Security benefits if she keeps going like that. She was able to get off of all blood pressure medications after 3 years, tapering off so as not to over-medicate which is dangerous because it can deprive tissues of necessary oxygen and nutrients. My understanding is that low carb diets are a workaround that do not address the root cause of diabetes which is excess intramyocellular lipids (also fatty liver/pancreas) and the resulting insulin resistance. Excess saturated fats and refined sugar/flour are the most common cause of this metabolic system failure. Unless a person can eat whole food complex carbs again without a prolonged spiking of their blood sugar, type 2 diabetes has not been reversed. Here is the menu for a typical day: Breakfast: Organic steel cut oats with some buckwheat and wild blueberries, raspberries, 1/2 banana, tablespoon of ground flax and ground chia seeds, tablespoon of hemp seeds, organic soy milk, Ceylon cinnamon. Lunch: Green smoothie heavy on the low-oxalate greens (frozen kale or collard greens, frozen pineapple, banana, orange, lemon wedge with rind, organic soy milk, avocado sliver, amla powder, dulse flakes, apple cider vinegar, blackstrap molasses, nutritional yeast, small scoop of hemp protein powder, fresh ginger, medjool date, fresh kale) with a small handful of almonds and walnuts - or - some soup and salad. Before dinner snack: one apple. Dinner: Variety of simple meals including spaghetti, chili, vegetable soup with beans, lintel miso soup with organic tofu cubes/onions/mushrooms/kale, split pea soup with onions/mushrooms/carrots/celery/potato, roasted vegetables (squash/carrots/potatoes), rice and beans bowl with onions/mushrooms/kale/peppers/salsa, organic tofu scramble with onions/mushrooms/peppers/kale/turmeric/nutritional yeast, broccoli, asparagus, green beans, etc. Dessert: frozen banana whip with papaya or strawberries topped some days with a couple of macadamia nuts or a Brazil nut - or - some red grapes. Make sure to include G-Bombs every day for optimal immune system (i.e. - greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds). Avoid most processed foods. Include tofu perhaps twice a week but not more. Stop eating after an early dinner except for a few pistachios before bedtime. Good luck and good health to you and your family!

[@sebk174]

most people will get horrible digestive issues eating this way. And so many anti nutrients 😱

[@poetsguide]

That list of ingredients sounds very expensive. Only few people would be able to afford that.

[@doddsalfa]

Can you compare this numbers with Shawn Bakers blood work? 😎

[@AlanWil2]

I tried the vegan thing back in the day. After 3 months or so, I didn't feel good. I felt very tired and had no energy. I was also using the bathroom 3 times a day and farting all the time. My coworkers hated me. I would not recommend this diet to anyone.

[@Cenot4ph]

Yea I cant do it, when i eat a meal without meat i feel i have eaten nothing

[@absmith12]

That's because there is some issue with all plant foods. Some people clear toxins better than others, that's all. If you can take the, enjoy, but I don't see any health benefits to any plants.

[@cathipa]

Vegan only says what you don’t eat. Doesn’t necessarily impart health promoting behavior. I’d be interested to see whole food plant based vs omnivore vs carnivore.

[@BatmanBoss]

Thanks buddy

[@tinkerwithstuff]

It's a bit of a bummer that you compared males of group 2 and females of group 1 only, and also did not disclose _smoker status,_ w.r.t. anaemia. I've been vegan for 20 years now. A couple years ago I had the last bloodwork done, while no one looked at it through your lens, the regular physician basically laughted at me for worrying. Iron, liver were fine, nothing else seemed noteworthy to her either. Since I eat higher carb stuff only a _few times a year_ for special occasions, that aspect should also be ok although I don't have the numbers anymore - just because vegan-version-of-SAD-eaters typically screw that one up does not mean one _has to_ ;) It's curious that people are still operating with that "heme vs. non-heme iron" dichotomy. Some years ago a German nutrition prof I saw in an interview told about new findings about a 3rd kind of iron in legumes, which does not have decreased absorbtion by presence of polyphenols or phytate. Alas, I don't recall the name of it. _Folate_ supplement for the vegan client? That seems odd. Some dark greens & legumes have plenty.

[@VanillaAttila]

It just shows how he's not a medical PROFESSIONAL, just here to follow sociological trends and get clicks/views for $$

[@trail.blazer]

We are told that plants contain vitamin A when they actually contain carotenoids that have to be converted to vitamin A and many people convert poorly or almost not at all. Unfortunately, we are also told that some plants contain folate, which is technically supposed to indicate active folate, when in reality many plants contain folic acid, which again can convert very poorly. Folic acid is often fortified in many plant based foods, so many people are indeed supplementing folic acid even if they do not realise it. It appears to be rare for folate to be fortified in plant foods. At least some plants do actually contain folate, whereas the same is not true for vitamin A. Some people (maybe those with MTHFR) may not get enough folate from plants and they may convert folic acid so poorly that it causes problems for them due to buildup.

[@VanillaAttila]

@@trail.blazer There is much to be learned about conversion mechanisms and contribution of microbiomes within our bodies and also on plants and in soil.

[@trail.blazer]

@@VanillaAttila There is, but science does know there is no vitamin A in any plants and the human conversion of carotenoids and folic acid can be poor.

[@VanillaAttila]

@@trail.blazer On average, those eating the standard American diet are deficient in folate (among other nutrients), and eating a plant-based diet typically provides higher levels of most nutrients, including folate. Folate is found in dark green leafy vegetables, red lentils, ground flax seeds, and beans. Conversion of folic acid is poor, that is why you should eat vegetables mentioned and others like chickpeas and more to get pure folate instead.

[@AshtasticAcrobat]

One other thing you have to take into account when looking at hemoglobin or iron is that females are more prone to iron deficiency due to our cycles. We cycle off iron every month, whereas males DO NOT. This is exactly why I went back to eating red meat. I noticed a huge improvement in anxiety and mood regulation once I did. As woman, we have to be more cautious on a vegan diet as our cycles don't allow us to get away with the lack of iron overtime.

[@drabnail777]

Err...take an iron supplement then?

[@mahnamahna3252]

​@@drabnail777do you think it's better to get nutrients from supplements? Or real food?

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

what are you on about? There's a TON of iron in plants LOL... always gotta make it about women, eh? Try thinking it thru first next time. Reminds me of a post from a woman in a TRT forum telling us testosterone is more important in women than men for 'reasons'... the gull!

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

@@mahnamahna3252 if its the same molecule then why would it matter? Besides, plants are LOADED with iron. This woman is just trying to make everything about her.

[@mahnamahna3252]

@@user-io8bm6gz5z who hurt you?

[@vegangreatlife]

This is so sloppy, it's difficult to watch. So many assumptions and loose associations. Like we all know that the majority of the least healthy foods are vegan. Really? There are vegan donuts, but they are labeled vegan donuts because most donuts are not vegan. Those vegans who are eating lots of unhealthy foods will be unhealthy just like all the millions of people out there eating an omnivorous diet, consuming all those least healthy foods in addition to the other standard fare. And the blood test, was taken after adding whipped cream to her Matcha Latte. So, that's considered a vegan's blood test results? Whipped cream will def. negatively impact HbA1c. I've been on both ends of this, and had the absolute worse blood lipid tests of my entire life while eating a low-carb, higher fat, and keto style diet. There are so many studies available showing impressive results from eating a well-planned, healthy whole foods, plant-based diet. Clearly those studies get ignored here. And comparing a menstruating woman to a male athlete???? Sorry to see how many followers find this helpful and informative. I hope people learn to be more discerning.

[@gantz0949]

Good points yea when he highlighted the vegan who ate crappy I was like I'm out

[@jamesmallory2149]

I stopped watching at the point where he described the "vegan" woman having honey and also whole milk in her matcha tea. He either doesn't know or doesn't care what vegan is...

[@NoName-vx6up]

Don't know why many here are jousting since many do well with both types of eating. We can throw all the links at each other, but we cannot deny how sick our society has become. Stay whole food based no matter what side you're on.

[@veniqe]

I'd love to see how much visceral fat vegans have. I'll bet it's a significant amount.

[@highrzr]

It would be interesting to see what their fasting insulin levels are to see how hard or not their pancreas is working to keep their blood sugars down.

[@wheelofcheese100]

This. I too would like to see how much insulin it takes to get those blood sugar readings.

[@tropicaoptica]

I have been eating a low fat high fruit 75% plant based diet for 13 years, many of which I was strictly plant based. My fasting blood sugar is always in the low 80s. My A1C last time I checked was 4.7. That’s with added white sugar to my diet. But I eat fat always at the last meal of my day and rarely go over 40g. Keep in mind I make sure to get in at least 2000 calories from fruit, white rice and potatoes, with fruit being most dominant.

[@dawnelder9046]

Did the vegan thing back in the 80. The big vegan lie was you could eat cheap and healthy. Did all the combinations. No fast food as my budget did not allow for wasting money. Results. I am sure that is when the gluten intolerance which I had since age 5 and was not diagnosed until 48, became worse. Had PMS for the first time in my life. Could not control my temper even though I knew it was unreasonable. My morning body temperature went from normal to 94. Took 10 years of low carb to fix the problem. I gained weight. Fast. Mostly in the gut. Took going low carb at 52 to get rid of the gut that made me look pregnant.

[@dawnelder9046]

Forgot, malnutrition.

[@fryertuck6496]

I used to be one of the most easily triggered men I knew. On carnivore that rage left me.

[@VishalRaoOnYouTube]

3:23 The ALT+AST+GGT=36 is impressive. Bryan Johnson tweeted his 49 sum might be "World record levels of liver enzyme panel sum?"

[@000kyleoneill]

Call me biased as an omnivore, but I would also love to see similar blood test reviews with the carnivore diet as well.

[@mballer]

No B12 or methylmalonic acid tests for vegans/vegetarians?

[@RaceLever]

Why are you asking that as if a significant percentage of animal eaters aren't b-12 low or deficient here in Reality???... ;-)

[@mballer]

@@RaceLever This video was about vegans.

[@mballer]

@@RaceLever Everybody should get a genetic test to see what their transcobalamin gene SNPs look like, in my opinion.

[@RaceLever]

@@mballer No this video was about comparing Vegans and Omnivores actually (which he also clearly did unfairly to support his bias towards his addiction to animal eating) so your last comment was more reasonable than your first... ;-)

[@mballer]

@@RaceLever People get B12 from meat. My dementia play-list has a video Sally Pacholok.

[@spinachtriangle]

Amazing discussion about how complex this topic is. I am 45 and have been vegan since 2018 (6 years), have a pretty stressful job with loads of responsibility, don't really exercise much, drink a few pints a week, and only supplement Omega 3 and a B-Complex and a NAC at night. Below are my results which stack up pretty well from a fasted blood test I did in Feb this year. We were in Goa partying at the time, so a fair share of alcohol and lack of sleep, but were eating well: Glycosylated Hemoglobin (HbA1c),EDTA WB-CC 5.4 Estimated Average Glucose (eAG),EDTA WB-CC 108.3 TRIGLYCERIDES, Serum 121.1 SGOT (AST), Serum 17.6 SGPT (ALT), Serum 13.6 GAMMA GT, Serum 10.6 PHOSPHORUS, Serum 3.8 Haemoglobin 14.8 No Hematocrit test done IRON, Serum 114.5 FERRITIN, Serum 31.8 MCV 91.2 MCH 30.7 MCHC 33.7 HDL CHOLESTEROL, Serum 52.6 VLDL CHOLESTEROL, Serum 23.6 HS-CRP, Serum 0.5 Free T3, Serum 4.0 Free T4, Serum 15.2 sensitiveTSH, Serum 2.19 No insulin as was a fasted test No Fibrinogen test done 25-hydroxy Vitamin D, Serum 23.9 (need to check on the next test as we were having late nights a lot and not getting a lot of sun) APOLIPOPROTEIN A-1, Serum 128.3 APOLIPOPROTEIN B, Serum 92.9 APO A1/B, Serum 1.38 APO B/A1, Serum 0.72 TESTOSTERONE, Serum 687.7 (just put this here to show that Vegans do have high testosterone and it is down to a load of complex factors probably) ALBUMIN, Serum 4.7 No Albumin to Creatine test done CREATININE, Serum 0.83 (we are planning on starting supplementing this for cognitive health, so will keep an eye out on the next test)

[@brandonyoung4910]

It’s not 2024 it’s been 5 years at most haha

[@phfay7]

Way to set him straight😂

[@voltmusicstudios5260]

​@@phfay7yeah proved him wrong lol. Probably irons his socks and undies too

[@PhysiqueFuel]

How much do you weigh?

[@sebk174]

Markers are mostly irrelevant. Important is how you look for your age especially the face.

[@animal9370]

I've been a VEGAN since I was 6 year old and I'm now 37and NEVER had a problem. My brother was Born Vegan and he's 6'1" 200lbs now 31 years old. I'm only 5'11" 🤐 180. Vegan Bodybuilding on the Rise!!!!!!!!!! Go Vegan!!!!!!!🌎

[@goathead3329]

I eat a totally plant based diet. Mostly grass, some alfalfa. What I do is run it through 7 processes to purify it and condense the nutrients.

[@veniqe]

😂❤

[@TiffanyCrumbs-wv4rs]

You should be comparing people of the same age and gender. Not complete opposites.

[@Maiden4eva1995]

Great video.

[@w1975b]

How valid of a comparison is this? Considering you're comparing women against men, who have different hormones.

[@DomFortress]

I wonder what their endocrines panel would reveal about their moods and basal metabolic rate, within the context of psychoneuroendocrinology.

[@igorscicchitano]

There should also be a difference between a vegan that knows how to cook and a vegan that relays on pre-mada food

[@drabnail777]

Sorry nuance isnt allowed. Vegan bad.

[@loryndabenson2118]

I've been(flexible) vegetarian for about seven month now. All the bloating and swelling I was having has gone away, and my digestive health has improved greatly. I'm not having nightmares and my anxiety disorder is much more manageable. However I say I am flexible vegetarian because me and my husband like to travel and sometimes the vegan or vegetarian is 1) not available 2) lacking in nutritional diversity. I'm ok with consuming chicken or beef based broth/bone broth or fish if I need to to fill nutritional gaps only if I HAVE to. I usually have everything I personally need to meet all my micronutrient requirements like seaweeds, algeas, sea moss, different types of organic cocoa all of these plus a variety of fruits and Veges, cheese on occasion, and a variety of wild herbs give me iron, copper, magnesium, vitamin C, B12, b6 and etc. This works for me. I think it's important to consider individual ethnic groups when talking about the proper diet for optimal nutrition. My people come from the carribean and coasts of Africa where there is a year round wide variety of fruits and herbs and fish so that would be the best diet for me. However if I happen to be somewhere where my normal dietary needs aren't available, I need to eat what's available to me and I will consume meat in small amounts or meat based broth but only if I need to.

[@2ndstreetmarvel]

💪🏿Just got home from my morning ride!💪🏿

[@slater-cguy]

Vegan with or without processed foods are two entirely different things.

[@daisymae749]

Hi Mike, According to you, I’ve been anemic for years. I had a good doctor in my 20’s, and she diagnosed me with anemia. And she advised me to eat meat and she gave me vitamins which helped a lot. Unfortunately, I moved to a different state, so I could no longer see her. So over the past 40 years I’ve gone to different doctors because I’ve been exhausted, and I had trouble breathing and heart arrhythmias especially when having to wear a mask, and guess what? They said I’m fine with a ferritin of 12, iron saturation of 11. So I went to a different doctor and started supplementing with iron. Then a year later, my ferritin was 23, and that’s all they checked. I’ve also told doctors that when I have to give blood, afterwards, I am more exhausted for at least a month. They have have dismissed my experience. Anyway Mike, thank you 🙏 for your videos because there are a lot of doctors out there who are only interested in giving you prescriptions for cholesterol and diabetes. There are a lot of incompetent doctors who are causing harm instead of helping people. Fortunately, I found Dr. Stephen Sinatra years ago and started following his advice from his books. Unfortunately, I still have to see various doctors who shockingly tell me I’m fine when it comes to my iron.

[@mathieuguillet4036]

Frankly, the best argument for vegan or near-vegan diets is the longevity and low body-fat of populations which traditionally ate high-carb, high-fiber, low animal product diets. Nothing is absolute, of course. It may well be that, with modern science, we can tailor an optimal omnivorous or even carnivore diet for humans.

[@jameskaft5233]

Mike Hello ! What cameras are you using ? Quality is exeptional !

[@Joy80JJ]

I do not eat beef but do eat other animal protein & also eat alot whole food plants...no ultra processed food. My A1C last month was 5.2 & Tri 89. My other labs are all good. I do cardio & resistance training 5x a wk. In my 60's & feel great..lots of energy.

[@yearofthegarden]

I've been avoiding dairy and only eat veggies and meat, but my blood work stated my calcium levels were beyond normal, and it was because I ate a ton of chia, chard and rhubarb. First I though calcium in the blood is probably not bad for me, but then it took over my life with fatigue, sleeplessness and lack of libido. I have since changed my diet and now feel much much better

[@superfinevids]

You need to eat fruits as well.

[@PattiJuni7]

Which diet are you doing at the moment may I ask?

[@elloohno1349]

aren't those things all very high in oxalate too?

[@superfinevids]

@@elloohno1349 Oxalates are not an issue because your body does not absorb them they bind to calcium in the gut and are excreted. They do not cause kidney damage unless your body is acidic. Acidity does come from dairy (the sulfur compounds in milk has to be filtered by the kidneys) and from amino acid breakdown of animal flesh. Both of these make the blood more acidic which makes the body have to compensate. We are herbivores plan and simple. Plant "toxins" are not made to fight against mammals, they exist to kill insects. This is because plants and insects have been at war for billions of years longer than mammals have existed. And mammals do not decimate an entire plant. Herbivores also have a symbiotic relationship with plants as we poop out their seeds with a nice plop of fertilizer to go with it.

[@superfinevids]

@@elloohno1349 You should be afraid of saturated fat and bread.

[@groworforage342]

is this really helpful to compare blood work of women to men?

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Yet there is a guy who was diagnosed with cancer, given 2 months to live in his 60's. Switched to a vegan diet and is now over 100 years old

[@capo4270]

Exceptions don't make the rule The lack of comprehension from people is staggering

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​@@capo4270comprehension? He used an example of 3 people. He used an example of iron deficiency. I can show you an example of people with iron overload on meat eating diets, which can lead to way more health problems than iron deficiency. There are plants that are loaded with iron. The real problem is people not eating balanced diets that ensure they get the nutrients required.

[@brett6468]

Important to keep plant oxalate content on the clinical radar. High oxalate diets can cause significant health problems beyond kidney stones.

[@Dan-gs3kg]

Like pre-cancerous lesions that form breast cancer.

[@raykinney9907]

Very interesting clarification of thought processes in lab work assessment in a few youngish folk. I'd love to see similar knowledgable assessment of older individuals with comparisons of different lifestyle, meds, etc. And, We all have accumulated significant body burdens of the toxic metal lead in our bones, that can mobilize back into soft tissue along with the calcium from bone stores when the body come under stresses of old age, illness, or pregnancy. This has a very large impact on health parameters in many physiologic systems, that really should be far better assessed, accounted for in medical treatment opportunities that just do not seem very well covered by the medical paradigm currently. There is so much we can do to learn about that can lead to better health outcomes in this extremely complex system of physiology we live in. I applaud such dedication toward finding better pathways into the future! Onward, and upward with understanding the complexities inherent in providing better knowledge to help guide the future choices of our grandchildren! There are so many dedicated medical heroes in this work that are still diligent in spite of the devastating pressures placed within the current medical paradigm toward censoring their efforts.

[@drlorishemek]

I know you can’t test for omega3 status adequately. However, chances are high. They are also low in omega3.

[@VanillaAttila]

It would make more sense to compare to pre-vegan blood work of the same individual Also why are you comparing female clients to male clients? ? I've been predominantly plant based(never ate meat in my life) and all these markers you flagged are fine and have been for the past 8 years checking yearly. This just reeks of confirmation bias.

[@ceciliamontenegro7861]

Everyone in these comments presenting all of these non-scientific anecdotes against eating a plant based diet really don’t know what they are talking about unfortunately. Any diet needs to be well planned and researched. And in this case, the research for many decades has always been that a whole-food plant based diet is the best for overall human health and the only diet that has ever been proven to prevent and reverse the #1 killer in the US: Heart disease.

[@ItsmeJenagain]

Mike, I'm just curious why you compared men's labs to women's. I figured you had a good reason.

[@stoneagedjp]

Are these problems a result of a vegan diet, or an improperly executed vegan diet?

[@gantz0949]

💯

[@staypositive950]

Vegan is not a diet! It is a broad classification that includes french fries and oreos. It is meaningless to look at the labs of people who consume junk food. I want to see a comparison of people who follow whole foods plant based diets- real whole foods that we are meant to consume- with people who eat animal product heavy diets. Check out High Carb Hannah for an example.

[@Rakealia]

My health groups found the one thing that differed with men and women was optimal iron panel numbers. That said, never been vegan or vegetarian, but have had low iron across the board since I was young. Still struggling with it, even with taking desiccated liver pills and iron pills, with Vitamin C... and I eat red meat a few times a week. XD Just... won't stay up. All the while hemoglobin and RBC stays in range and doctors don't give a crap because of that. *sigh* Considering trying full carnivore diet after we get our new house (so food storage and a good kitchen for fixing it) and see if that helps, because Keto isn't really enough apparently.

[@jamiewilson1532]

You can also try taking lactoferrin. Or maybe you are low on b12 or folate, there's some relation to iron there.

[@Rakealia]

@@jamiewilson1532 B12 is optimal (800+ in range) and I take a fair bit of Methylfolate by itself, plus take a B-Complex with both in it as well. XD Iron's been a problem, because if I supplement too much, it goes high ferritin, low serum, which is a marker for inflammation levels. But it's hard to figure out the source of the inflammation.

[@Dontlicktheballoons]

I've been a vegetarian for the last quarter century. But have recently reintroduced meat into my diet. So far, the only meet i've been eating has been dear that a buddy of mine killed last fall/winter. I would love to hear your your thoughts on me only eating game that I either raise or hunt myself. (Sheep, chickens, deer)

[@carnivorewisdom]

Your way behind in nutrition. Eat what you kill is noble but limiting. You have been deceived so long... please value yourself enough to learn how to nourish completely. Bonus less animals die this way over vegetarian diets (look into it)

[@talktomenowxbmc]

These results are representing progression of deterioration heading towards cancer. Anemia is integral part of cancer diagnosis. Most likely they have cancer already in early stages as it is very slow development process.

[@rebeccawoods4488]

Great video! It was very helpful. Thank you.

[@allandm]

Is this guy going to respond to lifting vegan logic debunk video or what? I find it hard to trust what he says after watching that video which was very clear... I'm not here to debate anyone, just pointing it out that lifting vegan logic did a clear debunk of his previous anti vegan video and he didn't respond

[@nothanksmegan]

Former vegan who didn’t cheat for 8 years…. please prioritize eat red meat & quality animal foods it’ll change your life.

[@Avarua59]

Do you know if we can get these kind of extensive blood lab tests in Canada?

[@cornstar1253]

Probably not without a prescription

[@1Cookie2000]

Interesting that many of the numbers you're flagging are within "normal ranges." So you contend that the ranges are inappropriate.

[@lisalu3994]

To make comparison surely you need women v women around similar age/build etc.

[@Laura-rx9mp]

thank you can you do a comparison of folks over 70 women to women? so different than our younger sisters.

[@change962]

Vegetarianism /Veganism is not choice but a way of live for several people. Some respect please.

[@sesomnoslen5729]

This means really nothing. You can find a study to promote just about any position one takes.

[@superfinevids]

Been vegan for 2.5 years. All my labs were better than most of the men my doctor has tested. You can eat any diet and be bad or good. It is all about how disciplined and conscious you are in what you eat. This video is a nothing burger. You can have good or bad blood work on most mainstream diets.

[@mldouglasjr]

They're pushing an agenda that is not backed by science. I'm not vegan, but even I recognize this.

[@gantz0949]

I've been plant based just under a year. Was shocked how better I felt mentally and more energy. Ironically I did it cause my wife did it for her health. How did u feel when u made the switch?

[@DomFortress]

How's your hormones panels? And your sarcopenia?

[@rebeccacarraway480]

I’m exercise intolerant because I’m way out of shape 🤣😟

[@DigitalRaider1]

Wait,...you are comparing Vegans who eat a lot junk food. i.e. breads and cookies, etc. to someone who eats an optimal omnivore diet,. Yes, a lot of junk foods can be eaten by vegans, but not optimally. Further, these foods are not "plant based". The OPTIMAL "plant based" vegan diet is someone who eats mostly (carrots, broccoli, kale, spinach, cauliflower, nuts, etc.). But, these are not the subjects you started with..?? So your vegan comparisons subjects were flawed from the start. Oreo cookies are vegan....And, if I'm comparing a vegan (cookie eater) to a any other diet via bloodwork, of course the results will be misleading.

[@sebk174]

You can eat the healthiest vegan diet and still be malnourished.

[@jayarmstrong]

Yeah I gave up on this video

[@gantz0949]

​@@jayarmstrongyea me too he needs to a meta analysis

[@maia6038]

Talk about a whole food plant based diet. No shit high calorie and high sugar fast food isn’t good, even without dairy or meat.

[@NatureHeals-dh7ic]

I'm perplexed. Did I miss something? Why would you have them drink their morning sugar filled coffee when this is supposed to have been fasting blood test? I've been a vegan for 40 years and just did a full blood panel. My numbers are perfect, everything in mid range of normal. Just wondering why you wanted to allow them to have their morning crap? Doesn't make sense???

[@rachelgoldman534]

Link to bloodwork master class please?

[@lvrichardson7966]

I have tried twice to sign up with my email, but no confirmation is coming to my mailbox. I would like the bloodwork cheat sheet. I have also checked my spam folder. Can you confirm that the email sign up is working on your end?

[@ryanvegntech]

Uhhh.. and here, we go, again 😒🙄

[@pamelakrumvieda3153]

I'm a ketovore, most days carnivore with similar numbers. It's from menorrhagia and I feel horrid. There is no quick answer for me other than hysterectomy, which I don't want, or menopause in the near future.

[@pamelakrumvieda3153]

@@ellanola6284, I've had much of those things you mentioned checked out. Found one tiny fibroid years ago. I have a very low toxic lifestyle. I make most people's eyes roll. I probably should have been supplementing iron for the last 20-25 years but doctors blew off my symptoms. I think they did so because I appear so healthy.

[@goathead3329]

Cannabis

[@somecat22]

Recent studies not from decades ago show vegans have basically the same, if not better, blood markers than omnivores. Kinda crazy people still using anecdotes and old science to make points.

[@elloohno1349]

BS

[@somecat22]

@@elloohno1349 its the truth, now that education on plant-based eating is so wide spread, vegans and vegetarians don't try to eat like just salads and fruits to survive like they did 3 decades ago.

[@bellelacroix5938]

My two daughters and I were lacto-ovo for twenty years in our blood Cal's were excellent with the exception of when I got extremely sick from overwork and ended up with pneumonia that's when I started having a steak once a month so it depends on the level of your health I use meat as medicine and that's it

[@alcyonae]

That’s where I’m at. Before I figured out a sustainable diet for me, if I felt depleted or lethargic I’d have salmon or steak. Once a week first, then once a month, then not at all. After I got covid, I relied on meat to gain back my strength quickly. True, I treat meat as medicine for when life circumstances signal me I need the extra boost. With my daily diet based on lentils, tofu, quinoa, tons of veggies, and regular exercise, I normally feel amazing.

[@TTR83]

I'm meat-based and had no covid. I always wondered how people get sick so easily. A crappy diet!

[@alcyonae]

@@TTR83 enjoy feeding your future cancers with your elevated IGF-1 values

[@08utes39]

GGT can come from multiple organ systems, you're saying it's useful when normal?

[@08utes39]

A useful lab to evaluate liver function when normal?

[@Jack-hy1zq]

Just putting it out there. Ive been carnivore for 12 months. I still have chronic facial inflammation - red, blotchy and embarrassing (i look like i drink too much alcohol - i dont drink alcohol). Any advice greatly appreciated.

[@raykinney9907]

Just a comment off the cuff: 'carnivore' is still subject to food quality details that can be far less than optimal. One carnivore could be eating low quality foods that are 'carnivore', but quality can be very low, contributing toward causing lots of medical problems. Another carnivore, can be eating much higher quality foods, and less likely to have problems. as with all diets, quality is difficult to attain, and often very expensive. Due diligence is a difficult, time consuming process, toxic contents need careful assessment, and it is easy to overlook important details. Strive for quality foods, whatever diet you are engaging in.

[@PardieDiem]

He's complaining about numbers that are within the acceptable ranges??

[@ihartsacto]

When I was menstruating I was always anemic. I ate live once a week. I ate a lot of meat. I even did Atkins. I was still anemic. What is your explanation for remaining anemic?

[@veniqe]

How well are you absorbing iron?

[@carnicavegirl7214]

I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.. I don’t eat any form of sugar, my carbs under 20 grams a day, I eat beef, wild caught fish and eggs most days and I cannot get my hemoglobin up. I’ve been anemic for six months now even being on a good hemi iron and now I was just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.they said my FA1C went from 4.8 to 6.4 in 6 months 🤦🏼‍♀️ I lift every day and make sure I get my 10,000 steps in .. what in the world is going on, I’m so confused

[@davepeterschmidt5818]

That is very odd. Do you check your blood sugar regularly? Or even better, get a CGM? The CGM would tell you what is raising your blood sugar. By any chance have you had covid lately? A friend of mine had really bad blood sugar problems during the time she had long COVID. Her gluconeogenesis was running wild raising her blood sugars too much.

[@carnicavegirl7214]

@@davepeterschmidt5818 I do check my blood sugars often, they are pretty good, it’s just my A1C that keeps coming up high..I’m definitely getting a CGM.. I have been in the hospital lately because of a UC/Crohn’s s flare so I’m always feeling rough, I wouldn’t even known if I had Covid 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Coromi1]

If iron was low, it might be SIBO. Gut problems may prohibit you to digest enough iron, and that may lead to anemia.

[@ernesthader1109]

@@carnicavegirl7214 , just curious. How did you get type 2 diabetes if you have good blood sugars?

[@carnicavegirl7214]

@@ernesthader1109 I have no idea 🤷🏼‍♀️ my blood sugars have been staying around 80 and around 100 after I eat.. but I have had my A1c checked every month for the last four months and as of last week, I am at 6.5., I started at 4.3 🤦🏼‍♀️I have no idea what’s happening

[@brucejensen3081]

Not vegan. You would think that vegans could do things like keeping vitamin c adequate to keep iron levels high enough. Some vegans still do have iron overload.

[@davidblack8464]

Mushrooms in the diet?

[@HappytubsDoncaster]

I eat meat 🥩 and feel amazing

[@RaceLever]

I do heroin and feel amazing... ;-)

[@steve1711]

Sorry Mike - normally agree with you, but here their levels are all within range. So why are you doing this - it makes you look stupid.

[@gantz0949]

Yea disappointing vid

[@beanmeupscotty]

The combo of elevated RBC count paired with the low MCV & MCH are what's most alarming imo. Microcytic/hypochromic RBCs are a hallmark of iron deficiency, but their kidneys are functioning normal, as they are generating enough EPO (stimulates RBC generation) to have rbc levels that high. A clear sign that their bodies are under duress from inadequate oxygen storage- no surprise that they have no stamina for a workout, even before factoring other things like protein & essential AA consumption. Their iron storage has been totally depleted.

[@somecat22]

all anecdotal, I could pull omnivores results and find similar results that make it look bad. Actual studies have found there is little to no difference. This guy always goes back to studies from decades ago when nutrition information on plant-based eating was essentially zero.

[@2snipe1]

Does the second client have thalassemia? I wish you had shown the morphology from the RBCs, as it gives you a much clearer picture of the type of anemia (extrinsic versus intrinsic). My wife has Cooley's and an MCV, just shy of that value.

[@PardieDiem]

How much Vegan junk food are these people eating??

[@philliphoward9214]

Thanks for the video

[@McAwesome363]

"A healthy wholesome omnivorous diet is reflected by better metabolic and aerobic capacity" huh I guess I should have considered that before testing in excess of 70ml/kg on VO2MAX tests. Surely my vegan diet cannot support such a large aerobic capacity and they are testing anomalies. Of course, you may just consider this as nothing but anecdotal evidence. But... wait a minute... is what you said not anecdotal evidence????

[@rwh4114]

What would you make of low ferritin, (36) and high serum iron, (170) and Saturation % at 50? Seems like a strange combo

[@iryna4530]

This channel is losing so much credibility. “Vegan diet” does not explain anything. You can eat Oreos all day and be on a vegan diet. What is this woman actually eating? Is she consuming plenty of greens, beans, and legumes combined with a source of vitamin C to address the iron issues? Overall, is she eating a varied Whole Foods plant based diet? If not, why is that not the first intervention to address the nutritional deficiencies? Aka adding more variety and nutrient dense whole plant foods to the diet. Why immediately go to adding animal product as if they are some kind of magical cure? This “breakdown” is so misleading and the author just refuses to acknowledge the literature on WFPB diets and to try interventions within the WFPB diet. And as many people in the comments stated, this is anecdotal evidence- you need to compare omnis with people who consumes a WFPB diet to see who fared better. Rant over

[@alefept]

I recently discovered that I’m severely anemic (hgb 7.2, low MCV/MCHC, high RDW). I have received 2 units of blood and 2 iron infusions. My hgb has only increased to 10.9 (over 2 wks). I have one additional iron infusion prior to having laparoscopic surgery for possible endometriosis (w/bowel involvement causing blood loss). I eat a heavy meat low carb diet and resistance train 3x/wk for 90 min and try to keep my step count up. I take Vit k2/d3, omega 3, b12/folate, magnesium, electrolytes, DIM, Myo Relax & Calm (most from Myoxcience). I also take compounded thyroid hormone for hypothyroidism and LDN for unspecified autoimmunity of my gut. I reached my goal weight 2 years ago and started focusing on resistance training to increase muscle mass but after moving to a new house my health fell apart and I have regained 35# despite doing all the “right” things. I take creatine and eat meat and my creatinine is also very low.

[@elloohno1349]

could there be some type of mold exposure maybe?

[@alefept]

@@elloohno1349 Thanks for your input. I’m curious as to what made you think of mold as a possibility. My home was brand new when my family moved in so there was no history of water damage or possibility of poorly done renovations that could hide an existing problem.

[@elloohno1349]

@@alefept it was mostly because you seem to have so many basis covered, that I thought possibly the different environment could be a culprit? I've seen that people have issues but i really don't know much about it. I would suggest maybe checking Stephanie Keto Person, she knows her dietary/bloodwork stuff. (Maybe there is an interaction between some of your medications or something, another guess.. ) Hope you come right.