My Video Started a Healer Strike in Final Fantasy XIV

The video of Xeno clearing the FFXIV Dawntrail Media Tour dungeon with no healer in the party has sparked anger in the community and now the healers are going on strike.
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[@GEMINIVice1]

*YoshiP when seeing all this ‘outrage’* “….I knew we shouldn’t have invited that mofo to the media tour”

[@fionamb83]

You know well if he made dungeons harder they'd all be whinging, because I had a look at their lodestones and gear and well.... Crafted weapons? I don't even think they did an extreme, let alone savage. And they're talking about healers only being needed in Ultimate

[@wyred]

Nah, they were crying even before that in the official forums.

[@wyred]

​@@fionamb83crafted weapons is especially funny because you can get the best weapons right now in the game without doing any harder content. You only need to do the quest line and collect enough of the stones you get from doing roulette.

[@Elyakel]

​@@wyredSadly you're right Hope the relics will be better in DT

[@lindaa9005]

@@fionamb83 you're missing a large point of the discussion. the point being that no matter how much people talk about Savage and Ultimate content, it's only a minority of the player base that does that content, We can argue about the exact percent (25 or so), however everyone runs dungeons, there's field content, Extremes, etc- a lot of healers aren't having fun in that content, the healer design really suffers in that content. Other jobs don't suffer at all to the same degree.

[@mrdarkstar3756]

Yoshi P in perfect English "Who invited this man to Media Tour?"

[@alloounou6900]

Yoshi P leans heavily into the microphone and perfectly says, "nightmare" for the second time.

[@lucianlopez6537]

As one of the healers that wont be in strike I be enjoying my less that 1 second queus

[@biggestboss]

I'm scabbing the shit out of the strike, gonna take any quick queue I can when I'm MSQ'ing on Dynamis

[@Mydia_Rahz]

The joys of healer ques is so nice, and I won't be in the strike either. Going to enjoy some of that "healer in need fun"

[@audrey_in_black]

as one of the non healers i will be enjoying the extra DPS in my 3 DPS 1 WAR parties

[@Frostbyte115]

I don't see the point in the strike. As someone who played SB I know where I'll have my fun and it'll be 4 weeks after DT release in Savage

[@Ederick1936]

yuuuuuuup! I get to: 1. play the most braindead DPS rotation in the game (for when i don't want to stress about it) 2. ignore, for the most part, my primary responsibility in the group 3. Queues on swiftcast 24/7 Thanks healer strike!

[@RaytoRyu]

Problem with the healer class as a whole is that they're a guarantee. Nothing more. A guarantee that has the took to help the party out when the statu quo is broken, AKA when shit hits the fan. That has two effects : For the healer player, it means that the job is fucking boring when everything goes well, because your job is to salvage shit when things don't go well. For the other players, it means that it's fucking infuriating when shit hits the fan and the player who's job is entirely dedicated to help you in this situation is eating crayons and can't help you out.

[@Incbuba]

I can say that healers are still critically important considering the tanks I run into in duty finder

[@NuchiAsaki]

I keep running into DPS that are constantly trying to lick all of the orange juice off the floor too.

[@randomstuff773]

I told a buddy complaining the other night that the people debuff is alive and well in duty finder. I get it every time I queue as a healer.

[@katherinejanke7837]

so many times as the healer im doing way too much healing and not enough damage because most tanks are not like him

[@randomstuff773]

@@katherinejanke7837 Unfortunately quite a few DF tanks believe cooldowns are strictly for tankbusters...if that.

[@jacobtridef48]

true. tbh most average tank player in duty finder suuuucks. they either dont mit, or do terrible aggro managment jobs. and this is coming from a someone who is a tank main.

[@Xaytan]

Its really hard to balance around the fact that healers swing between really really easy if your teammates are good and ass-clenchingly difficult if they aren't. You can run a dungeon with no healer and then turn around and have to drag a group kicking and screaming to the finish line the very next instance, depending on how your luck goes.

[@Oneofthecoments]

I don’t wanna speak negatively about anyones skill here. But, I don’t even main healers I main tank and I can’t think of a single dungeon scenario where I have found it challenging to heal even with a party of complete zombies... If you want to say that healing can be stressful in savage content, sure I think it can be. Dungeons are basically an auto-win scenario in FFXIV and the game shouldn’t be balanced around them.

[@Xaytan]

@@Oneofthecoments Nobody is actually being challenged by dungeons, except the most casual of casuals. But even there a tank who doesn't mitigate and refuses to move out of AoEs will involve significantly more from the healer than one who is playing well. In terms of casual content, instances like Dun Scaith and Paradigm's Breach can end up being squarely carried on the healer's shoulders if the rest of the group eats enough paste. Groups wipe on Diabolos sometimes. Even in extreme and savage content the difficulty of healing can swing wildly depending on how good the rest of the group is about using their personals and group mitigation. Harrowing Hells in week 1 gear...

[@Oneofthecoments]

@@Xaytan I mean yeah but savage content can swing for everyone, that’s part of it. I believe the comment said something like “difficulty of healing dungeons can swing” implying dungeons were challenging as a healer. I just disagree personally is all. 😃

[@Xaytan]

@@Oneofthecoments No, it said the difficulty of healers in general.

[@Adu767]

I play healer very frequently during dungeons, and sometimes I end up with a warrior who doesn't know you can do this, and when they almost die I think to myself "What the hell, now I have to do my job"

[@ashleymcmillan3379]

A healer should be pushing their mp on heals. Arguably if they buff potency of DPS jobs and leave healers untouched, increase damage output from bosses and mobs. And make healing a bit snappier it's be nice.

[@Nyxesgaming]

I love when a tank dies in a dungeon and asks what happened? I'm like don't you have an I can't die button? They always get mad. Ppl seem to forget jobs have useful buttons outside of damage buttons.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@ashleymcmillan3379 Nah. As long as my teammates are out of one-hit range, they're fine.

[@themorbidkid187]

@@Nyxesgaming Right? Imagine using your kit for what it was intended for lmao. I have seen SO many ppl just not use half their kit over the years. I understand if the ability is trash, but never understood why tanks refuse to use Holmgang, Hollowed...ect. in a dungeon setting.

[@MrXxsnipesXx]

​@@Nyxesgamingas someone who plays tank but plays the game fairly casually yeah sometimes i'll die so maybe healing isnt in the best place but am still thankful to all you healers out there and will always commend you haha

[@luchts4547]

Probably won't even notice the "healer strike". It might seem like everyone is talking about it on youtube or the forums or twitter or whatever, but probably 90% of the playerbase doesn't even engage with any social content outside of the game other than looking up specific info and guides, and they'll never know about it.

[@GrimViridian]

And then there are players like me who wanna learn AST and have no previous knowledge to make me mad about healing XD

[@Topazzzzzz]

No healers in the queue? oh no guess i'll just. use the trust system specifically made to counteract this sort of issue.

[@NatiiixLP]

Just use the GC Squadron system, lmao, imagine...

[@elixxon]

​@@NatiiixLP It's a strike for DT content. They have no power over the domain of the onmipresent Sprouts.

[@saninorochimaru2]

Us scabs gotchu mate

[@Nyxesgaming]

I rather play healer and get insta q than play with NPCs. Even tho the odds are the randoms will play worse than npcs but at least it's more fun seeing ppl mess up.

[@zz394]

worry not sir, I will queue as healer for the lightning fast queue time!

[@jesperwik998]

I'd say healer is the most interesting role to play when no one knows what they are doing but as soon as you're not running with sprouts it gets dull pretty quickly. I also can't see what the controversy is about. Give me a RDM in the group and I can do any dungeon (more or less) without a tank as well. It's not that healers are bad it's just that dungeons are easy if you know what to do.

[@ciphercdr3349]

I love how Endwalker is the expansion where people get what they ask for. And then they realize what they want is bad. Man, I miss Stormblood.

[@Taylor_Lindise]

I just wanna know who asked for it. I stopped playing the game at the end of Shadowbringers due to how healing felt after healing in the game since 2.3

[@harkov_416]

​@@Taylor_Lindise lots of people that do casual stuff but have to play trials or raids for the glamours. We missed a big grind from ew as a lot of people also complained about grinds locking out the relics. Lots of changes to the system that I consider good, but somehow still had people calling the jobs hard and resulted in the streamline of a lot of jobs. I agree on sb being the middle ground of complexity and difficulty for both healers and raids.

[@sashbandit]

I've been malding about ast since SB so I feel ya

[@cyanmage1]

@@Taylor_Lindise it was all over the forums and interview questions players wanted smaller scale harder content which we got, they asked for more casual content which we got with the island, they wanted more deep dungeon which we also got, the devs gave the players everything and people still complain that they didn't listen sometimes players don't know what they want

[@xilverknight155]

i miss stormblood too...ast and smn my beloved

[@Cherryblossoms110]

1:42 "Anybody can do it" Xenos, buddy, I don't think you understand how dumb some people in Duty Finder are.

[@TOAGamer1]

Anytime I have to heal a WAR in a dungeon im astounded.

[@omegaxtrigun]

This. People at his level really lose perspective of things like this. Your average normies cannot do what he does.

[@duncanmacleod6274]

@@omegaxtrigun Average normies can do this. The thing about average normies is that 50% of people are worse than that.

[@jormeno1982]

I say more than 50%

[@DeadSpaceWing]

​@@jormeno1982Rookie numbers. 85%.

[@inazumatan7050]

My liege, I think you should try to play the entirety of Dawntrail without any healers. I think this would make extremely hilarious content, sire.

[@Null_Experis]

There's a guy on youtube who has cleared ALL of ARR and HW and the first dungeon of Stormblood so far with NO PARTY, NO TRUSTS, NO NPC PURCHASE, NO MARKETBOARD, NO RETAINERS, and he has done the vast majority of them level synced, and when he can't sync it, he disables echo whenever possible. Healers are optional.

[@ShiraVT]

@@Null_Experis Mostly true except for savage tiers, ultimates, and high end trials past Stormblood imo

[@cparty7790]

OMG PLEASE, I would love to see the community implode xD

[@1Meepman]

@@ShiraVT So healers are only allowed to have fun in high end content?

[@knowwhoiamyet]

​@ShiraClips nothing opinion based about it, even those are getting cleared (by extremely high skilled teams) with only 1 or no healers sometimes.

[@oliviabean8264]

I've also completed dungeons without a tank as healer, we just gotta pace ourselves and quite often where finishing the dungeon before a replacement tank has a chance to replace the one who DCed.

[@Anya_khaos]

sch/sge main here this wasn't new, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back for some. I enjoy warrior for the heals and it's my fav dungeon tank for that reason, but at the same time, playing healer in casual content is boring af: your rotation doesn't exist, your heals are often not needed, etc. Meanwhile, lots of healers go into savage and suddenly find they don't understand how their job works coz u didn't need to learn it beforehand. Looking back at hw: u had cleric stance, 4 dots, 2 pets with different abilities (and they could die),...now u have 1 dot, 1 main cast, 1 invulerable pet,... Healing only gets fun in savage/ult coz only then u actually use your full kit but at the very least, I think jobs should be fun to play in more than just a very small part of the game, and it's been going down every expansion (and before anyone brings this argument up: I cleared all ults on sch and I'll probably end up maining a heal next expansion as well)

[@Canned_Corn_isgood]

Straw that broke the camels back...but the camel has been around for years...I can't tell if its people who have not played long or just live under a rock. (

[@richardwallis9374]

It’s hard to take people that want heals to be harder seriously when they just jump to tank LB when they try it 🤷‍♂️

[@NamiquanaNamazu]

Yet people were crying for them to remove so much from healers dps kits (Aero 3, bane from sch etc) in Stormblood. Cant please everyone lmao

[@amethonys2798]

​@@richardwallis9374 ding ding ding we have a winner. Doing P10S early-ish in the tier was annoying because half the groups would just wall if there were bonds 3 memes instead of doing healer LB because "HH isn't possible without tank LB" since healers refuse to use GCDs not on Glare or whatever. My first clear of P10S was on AST where we didn't have tank LB and it wasn't even THAT close for HH since people hit mit and I just spammed GCD healers and had Macro to top people before the bonds resolved after the last knock.

[@madmanse06]

Nah if you're bored play something else. I like the chill gameplay. I'll glare/holy spam all day. Less keybinds not more.

[@Hecomut]

This sentiment has existed in people's hearts and minds for a long time. The video is just highlighting how unchallenging the easier content of this game has become. And I don't get people saying, "Oh, but it's been happening for a long time, why are people complaining now?" Well, everyone has their limits. Usually, a new expansion means new and exciting stuff to do, and when healers realize they're going to be spamming their one DPS button for another entire expansion, it's the last straw for some people. "Oh, but you should just do hardcore content then." No, the game NEEDS a middle ground. Right now, only the extreme options exist, and people in the middle (which is A LOT of people) are feeling more and more demotivated as time goes on. I will still main healer in Dawntrail, but I'm really happy that this subject is getting more attention because the number of times I've almost fallen asleep while doing my roulettes is the main reason I've been away from the game in the last couple of months.

[@kingdweller1749]

💯

[@ember-evergarden]

news flash: braindead comtent should indeed be braindead. try progging extreme + without a healer and have fun.

[@TheHarlequin2]

I miss Stormblood SCH so bad :( giving a bunch of DoTs to a healer sounds like such a good idea and I wish they’d go back to that concept or revisit it at least (even if it means no DPS DoT class)

[@cassiusbright1062]

Reminder that YoshiP's answer to people asking for a challenge on healer was to tell them to do Ultimates, then TOP was cleared without healers. And no I don't care how good the group that cleared it was, that should be impossible. You're not clearing TOP without DPS or tanks any time soon, so why is it acceptable to clear without healers ON PATCH?

[@ngwoo]

@@ember-evergarden I'd argue that by now normal content shouldn't be braindead anymore. Everyone in Dawntrail has either played hundreds of hours or paid money to not have to. We're in what would be considered the late or post-game of most any other videogame. The mandatory skill floor should be gradually increasing, not decreasing.

[@Mabujold]

I just want healer to feel more engaging. Be it having more engaging DPS buttons, or more incoming damage so you actually want to heal. My biggest problem is that both sides are a bit boring for their own reason and I would really like either part to be improved in some matter. I usually main healer but I will be playing one of the 2 new jobs for DT's content, hoping to come back to an improved healing class later.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

I think healers should have more cleansing skills that only healers can take care of. They can be color coded and attached to existing heals, and esuna could be the catch-all cleanser. But it kinda sucks that healers just don't have to worry about that rn

[@Deminese2]

I don't think healers can ever be more engaging unless they make damage faster but lower while also adding more mechanics they need to cleanse etc. Otherwise how do you design fights for healer engagement? Heal an NPC? Make them do less damage but give them a damage rotation that heals at the same time?

[@KillaManReaper2]

@@Deminese2 "give them a damage rotation", this would be a horrible solution. Now they have a rotation to do on top of mechanics and also worrying about healing. sure it is thought provoking and engaging for those who would be able to do it, but then those that couldn't would complain and I feel like they would make WAY more noise then the ones who want this strike to happen.

[@magicmangoes6127]

@@KillaManReaper2 "why didn't you heal me?" I'm in my 2 minute burst rotation bro, heal yourself with second wind

[@lolthesystem]

​@@KillaManReaper2 you just described Tanks. Do your DPS rotation while using proper mits, maybe tank swap with your co-tank if necessary, position the boss properly for melee positionals and uptime (except for EW bosses KEKW), etc... Healers could do it if they really wanted to (and they did back in SB).

[@PubstarHero]

Since this healer strike started, ive been getting amazing healers in dungeons and trials. I hope that they keep striking

[@SubduedRadical]

Funny how that works, isn't it?

[@GrimViridian]

Maybe I shouldn't try healer rn then XD

[@Klaudiuszeg]

Are you still getting them? Lmao my dps que is 30 min

[@marioharrer9999]

I mean ppl comin from ESO.. we were runnin no healer dungeons even achievemnt runs(no death speed runs, hard mode) like 6-7 years ago...

[@TheGirlWhoStoleAStar]

Its not even the same level of difficulty when you compare it to ff savages and ultimates without a healer.

[@metallotaku]

Just play paladin in ESO you'll never need a healer

[@kohlicoide2258]

Retail WoW is on the same level.. you need no healer anymore in endgame normal, heroic or even lowkey M+ dungeon.. their are even some maniacs that clear +15 and higher (yeah that already high) Healer is just for rly high end but not casual stuff tbh

[@ArborusVitae]

@@kohlicoide2258 There are some +22's this season with no healer.

[@kohlicoide2258]

@@ArborusVitae I know with specific groups with dps with strong heal support etc

[@LightwardenInnocence]

These healers must've forgot "Dark Arts + Dark Price + Abyssal Drain" during Heavensward XD

[@networknomad5600]

God I miss Dark Arts. I miss when AST and DRK felt truly unique.

[@LightwardenInnocence]

@@networknomad5600 facts

[@GeneisHavoc]

We were as Gods in Heavensward.

[@LucasBernardesRosa]

Every Healer's main rotation is "Spam one single button and watch a 30s DoT to keep it up." But yeah, we're the ones who asked not to deal with the obnoxious Bullshit that is Cleric Stance, the peak of Healer complexity.

[@amuro9624]

I really miss old scholar with bane and haste. I started playing astro more just because the job has actually things to do in easier dungeons.

[@SubduedRadical]

Cleric Stance is the single most rose tinted goggles ability in all of MMO, and possibly all of gaming history. It is and was SUCH a terrible ability, and the game got good once they finally removed that garbage.

[@MiharuHiramu]

But Stormblood was perfect. We still had 2 dots, bane and shadowflare. I don't miss cleric stance but I miss those.

[@cosmicneko7225]

i started in way late stormblood, what was the thing with cleric stance?

[@silvergrove8517]

​@cosmicneko7225 healer role action (used to be WHM exclusive but you could cross-class it on AST and SCH) that swapped your Mind and Intelligence attributes while giving a boost to your damage skill and a further nerf to your healing spells. Essentially, you popped it on to deal damage when healing was low/unnecessary and turned into a mini-caster DPS. Equally, that meant that if you used it at the wrong time, you were shit out of luck since you couldn't heal for jack and people could die before you switched it off.

[@rrhdfg]

I main healer and I like how they all play right now, I don't want to have to think about performing a dps rotation while splitting my attention between my party and the boss.

[@weirdboy7699]

Friendly reminder you can just run a dungeon with trusts, so you don't even need healers. LoL

[@RemnentsPasts]

kinda wished everyone ignored this forum post because lets be honest no one will notice a lack of healers.

[@snizzle6174]

15:00 there is a happy medium here. The community will never be able to accurately target it and give feedback about it because it's really hard to pinpoint per-person, but there is a genuine happy medium where the game is compelling and has a lot to it but is not actively destroying the game with it's difficulty. I think we are fairly close to that medium, but have overstepped in some ways slightly. Basically, exactly what the devs said. It's why I was so happy to hear their comments on it, it feels like they know to not overreact back to gordias but also know that continuing to make the game easier from here would be a problem too.

[@SubduedRadical]

There may be, but we're more or less there right now. They're going to try to add new and different mechanics to trip up the people that are used to 10 years of the same stuff so they recognize it by rote now (left attack, right attack, light party stacks, spread, full party stack, Limit Cut), which might change things up some. Some more unorthodox stuff like having to turn into Gorillas and such (that parsers hate, but who gives a duck?), and so on in harder content. Them leaving MSQ the same is really fine. And I say this as a healer main in every game I play, and in this one my entire time from 2.3 when I started to now. I do have SMN and RDM and I do have PLD and WAR so I can do other things if the party needs, but healer is my jam and always will be. I do think they could do something like turn SGE into SB SCH for the people that REALLY want that, but leave everyone else out of it.

[@rayndooma5624]

Sprout WHM main here. I'm an introvert suffering from "Heal-xiety". Despite my mental and social obstacles, nothing makes me FEEL MORE ALIVE than playing Healer! This Healer Strike thingy seems so crazy to me hehe. I started FFXIV a month after Endwalker dropped, after SquareEnix released the lockout for brand new players. I went through ARR dungeons traditionally (queuing up with real players), but I completed HW and StB dungeons exclusively with the Duty Support NPCs. I will most likely complete SB, EW, and DT dungeons with Duty Support/Trusts as well. As for MSQ Trials, Alliance Raids, and anything else in Roulettes that forces you to play with real people, my fight or flight response goes into overdrive! Even after doing the Crystal Tower Alliance Raids many times, I still have my panic attack moments haha. I'm sorta jealous of all the other Healer mains that are bored/unsatisfied playing Healer jobs in FFXIV. I'm still finding it challenging, engaging, and most of all - FUN! Maybe one day I'll be "good enough" at playing a WHM to be bored in FFXIV too? Hopefully not! I'm looking forward to learning how to heal in Extreme/Savage/Ultimate content in the distant future.

[@mattdavis8899]

You Know.. as a healer main I have got to say that a "Good" Healer should contribute a good deal to DPS and I have no problem healing for a tank that can pretty much take care of business with an occasional support.

[@shizachan8421]

When everyone is reasonably competent, you can do allmost all content except savage prog and ultimates with 100% dps uptime as a healer.

[@EAmoosey]

My only issue as a healer is the 1 button spam I've been doing for the past 10 years. It is so mind numbingly boring. Give us some combo actions.

[@DrAlberts]

I don't think turning healer into a DPS will do much. Healers have too many oGCD heals and it ends up being very passive because half your kit is unnecessary. Even back in ShB the only dungeons that made me feel anything as a healer were the switch and mt gulg.

[@EAmoosey]

@@DrAlberts Its not even turning them into a dps. Its a small break in the monotony. We're doing dps anyways. It doesn't have to be anything huge. Something like the last step of the combo is a higher potency attack, or a small 200 potency heal/bubble to the person with most agro. A small way to encourage and teach new players that dpsing as healers is a good thing.

[@The_Remage]

@@EAmoosey your reply to DrAlberts is absolutely perfect. I've been dungeonspamming with Monk to get it to 90 recently, and the amount of healers that didn't press any damaging button the entire dungeon (ala le funny monkey with abacus) has been concerningly high - like every third dungeon high

[@MurakamiTenshi]

We used to do more in ARR and HW. Now it's just WHM or bust.

[@Klaudiuszeg]

​@@DrAlbertsjust stfu why tanks cant have all mitigation and 1 dps button then?

[@ruka9700]

Healers acting like they have pull while my boy Graha Tia and trust friends exist 😂

[@illuminatenorden5408]

"If you want to attack, just play DPS" Well, I play healer to heal ... and I have NOTHING to heal so how does this work ?

[@izcube8971]

It's superiority complex from high tier raiders honestly

[@SuddenFool]

This is the issue i've had with healing since Stormblood. I'm just pressing my 1 dps button all dungeon and 1 AOE heal every 30 seconds. It's not interesting. I main PLD but even on PLD it's just the same 123 123 123 123 rotation. Nothing really to swap in or mess around with to find other ways of handling situations.

[@W.H.138]

It's been more than a month into the expac, do you still hold your statement true?

[@mizukiaki]

Im overwhelmed enough ;_; pls don't make things harder thanks. People already die on me all the time and i give my best to heal them

[@davidmorland6339]

So healers either want to heal, or dps for more than a DoT and a single spam spell. Either more healing opportunities or more dps options.

[@gmb3682]

They won't be pleased either way. I've played the game for years and can count on a single hand how many legit healers I've actually met. Most of the time they're focused on their damage logs than actually healing.

[@puraasneira]

@@gmb3682 The issue is: 1. Allowing a third party toold defined what it means to play well 2. That same party tool only considering dps and uptime as a good parse, but this is also because of the game design.

[@puraasneira]

If you want to give me tons of healing skills, let me use them lol

[@gmb3682]

@@puraasneira 100% agree with you

[@andrew2616]

WoW started this trend in the M+. It basically cause healers to be a 4th dps with some side heals or just bring a 4th dps for the 5 man dungeons.

[@ark5074]

While I think the healer strike is dumb, I do want a more interesting dps rotation. Spamming broil over and over is hella dull. I’d welcome a combo action to broil & miasma 2 coming back (and similar things for other healers) just so we have other things to press when we aren’t healing.

[@daniel_a.m.]

I play healer, I don't get why someone would be butthurt because of this, shit's hilarious xD

[@doge5401]

"You can already do this" Coming from someone who plays with a group of people who at first didn't believe me, and then didn't believe me when I told them just how incredibly easy it is to run no-healer in ShB/EW dungeons, I think there was a lot of people that either didn't know about this or just denied it. It makes sense that, now that you've basically put it in the limelight as to how ridiculously easy it is to just get rid of healers, a lot of healer players are frustrated. Also fwiw it's piss easy to do this with PLD too. Even doable with DRK, GNB is the only one that sometimes can be a bit annoying. Worst case scenario though is that you just don't w2w it.

[@lardexsupreme3542]

To be fair warriors can basically pull wall to wall without a healer and be fine while other tanks don't need a healer if they pull smaller, idk about dark Knight because holy shit they need some other way to heal that isnt AD on big pulls, please just give Blackest night a small heal when in breaks

[@lolthesystem]

​@@lardexsupreme3542 You can use Living Dead in at least 2 pulls at a standard (fast) pace, so that's two pulls where you'll just go from 0 to 100 by yourself with no healer. Sure, some pulls can get dicey, but if you're running triple DPS you should be nuking pulls fast enough to not die in the first place. Worst case scenario, get a DNC (Curing Waltz) or a SMN (Phoenix) so they can heal you while also doing their DPS rotation.

[@SubduedRadical]

I'd believe this, except I've read the English OF (Official Forum) for years, and used to post there debating those people but they were so toxic I eventually left. No. Those people have been complaining about this for 3-5 years. And it's the same people. They are using Xeno's run as an excuse. They did the same thing with the zero healer TOP clear. These aren't people that just suddenly realized this.

[@midorixiv]

people taking the official forums seriously makes me laugh, that place has always been a containment zone for the "YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB" types

[@loomingdeath1758]

So has youtube and reddit XD oh i seen the comments that fit that bill

[@Tecolote41]

@@loomingdeath1758 Reddit is full of losers regardless

[@Max44321]

It'd be cool if this MMORPG had any RPG elements in it

[@KyoukiJuuno]

The entire thing is blown out of proportion so much. 1) There is a complete disregard for the fact that dungeons are supposed to be the least difficult multiplayer content of the game, especially leveling dungeons. They are built with the idea of having 4 mouth breathers grouped together and still being able to clear in a somewhat acceptable fashion. From a dev perspective, the worst thing that can happen is to have dungeon partys frequently start arguing and disbanding, it would be a complete desaster and disgruntle a whole lot of players if that were to happen. There is literally no room for the complaints of raiders here, this is not your content. 2) Striking on dungeons is completely pointless because nobody will even take note. You don't hurt dps, tanks, or even the game's role economy with that move since anyone and everyone can always take the duty support route, if people don't feel like spending 30+ min in a queue to wait for a healer there is already a better option baked into the game right now. And since DT is an expansion that adds 2 dps jobs that was already going to be the better choice for dungeons anyway. 3) If you really wanted to commit to a somewhat relevant strike, strike on savage release, strike on ultimate release. Tear the world first races to shreds if you must, delay them for weeks and months, that would send out a message. But you won't do that, no, even if you're not part of the race you're still part of the machine. That is after all where your fun lies as a healer, right? There is no way you'd strike on that. Well here's it: if you only strike on the things that don't matter then you can't hope to see results. If you want to see results then you must invest first, that is the core idea of a strike. And if you're not willing to make that sacrifice then there is no point to a strike in the first place.

[@phuckerpower]

This is a non issue. Gaming media sources and others say FFXIV "fans" go on "healer strike". It's not FFXIV fans, it's just a small small percentage of people that think being a shit head is gonna take off and be a thing.

[@PersonaMC231]

I spent time in the Healer Strike Discord (yes there's a Discord for them) and apparently it came down to, they want stuff to be in the good old days when stuff crit or Healer Stance. Stuff the community said that they didn't want anymore, but now they want back for some reason. Their overall sentiment felt like the video made by Lynx a few months ago

[@shinon748]

Healer here since 2.0 with WHM. I cried when Cleric Stance died. I cried a little when it became a dps cool down in Stormblood and lost all faith when it was gone completely in Shadowbringers.

[@Bellany1337]

The hilarious thing is that tanks are even less relevant than healers. I've literally cleared dungeons with my friend tanking as Reaper, while my other friend switched his tank stance off, and it's not even a challenge. DPS are the least relevant of all, because literally all content without an enrage timer (and most content WITH one) can be cleared with just tanks and healers. As for healers being "too easy", sure, their "damage rotation" is, because the rest of their responsiblities are bull shit. As someone that's cleared every Savage tier, I'd much rather "master" a 25 second opener and then do nothing for 2 minutes, than have to heal through shit like Harrowing Hell. But sure, add a damage rotation to healers, then add a tank stance too, I suppose, while they're already the only role that has to actually watch their mana, conserve their CDs and react to what's happening, instead of "herpa-derp press oGCD when available". These guys are on crack. xD

[@wolfstar124]

HH was easy and got easier depending on comp, what was hard was expecting the rest of the party to stagger personal mits which p5s-p8s showed they couldn't do which is why that was the last time se saw a healer shortage for pf (aka the sea of green)

[@Zkid531]

23:40 That's because most JP players level all jobs and are willing to flex more than NA players. I've found most NA players are 1 trick ponies

[@kagamine14]

I am always surprised when I see people only leveling one role in ffxiv. Like I understand liking a role and prioritizing that, but there is wisdom in leveling other roles, if anything it offers perspective

[@DeadSpaceWing]

​@kagamine14 I know it sounds crazy, but some people do one job characters to fit a theme. Like say, make a Marisa character that only has levels in Black Mage.

[@benthorogood3917]

Every role is equally redundant in dungeons. There's literally no penalty for dying so they can be cleared without any of the roles. No one would bat an eye at the idea of a dungeon being cleared with no dps jobs and it's certainly doable without tanks. The idea that Healers are being "Phased out of the game" because dungeons are easy is a pretty grandios high and mighty complaint imo.

[@liz54321]

TBF I've cleared pretorium on warrior, with no healer. I don't even play warrior... I've also cleared the lunar subterainne, tanking on sage, with a party of all healers. I main whitemage. I'm not striking because why would I not play the job that I like, just because I'm not always needed?

[@spengebabswagpants6768]

You’ve cleared lunar with no tank?!That’s it. I’m going on a tank strike🤬

[@xilverknight155]

finding out that people thought the burn was hard blew my mind. i didn't even know it got nerfed

[@Lightwarden_Epithumia]

I tanked Reaper without a Tank. I mean I had a healer but it’s the same situation. You can tank a dungeon as a DPS with healer and. No actual tank. Just as a tank can run all DPS with no healer. I do not understand why he’s getting crap for this when it’s literally not hard to Tank as a DPS or All DPS a dungeon or ever 1 Tank 3 DPS a dungeon. We been doing this since fucking HW so for all the people who wanna bitch about something WE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS they either need to get better or unistall. Simple. Also love you xeems

[@Shizuka965]

im a healer main and my stance is "idc" why do i not care that warriors are just so op and can sustain themselves without a healer? Cause for me it means more room for damage, i can finally spam my 1 rotation and put a regen from time to time and not stress at all. I hate having to stress "aah is the tank hp more than 70%? aah are the dps in good health? aah do i have a lot of mp left? aah do i have swiftcast ready just in case?" I can just let the war do what he do best. Taking damage and provide little to no effort, just doing my holy or Stone 6 and placing a regen. Plus baldman is a seasoned player, he did pretty hard duties that requires coordination and mastery of the job being played. You can't be mad at anyone because he know how to play warrior.

[@xeonaught6942]

what I find strange about all this healer strike thing is if the said warrior doesn't play well you would need to heal and then you would complain to said player because you are healing

[@karlklein2263]

People have NO IDEA. I remember the 8 marauder twintania days.

[@maglen69]

Remember what Jocat says folks: "Healers are only in the dungeon because the Duty Finder requires it"

[@sovest555]

Also because of Esuna if a BRD is not present.

[@MythrilZenith]

​@@sovest555 Esuna has been relevant in like one dungeon in the last 2 expansions and only for failing mechanics in one boss fight (Dead Ends - the first boss gives Esuna-able Doom when getting hit by the darkness).

[@herebejamz]

@@MythrilZenith There's actually two esunable dooms in post patch content, Lapis Manilis (Galatea Magna) and The Lunar Subterrane (Dark Elf).

[@sovest555]

@@MythrilZenith You seem to forget the multiple 6.x flavored dungeons that also have doom for failing mechanics.

[@Rogsnutle]

The funniest thing about this is that your casual players will always need healers and the worst players will need more than healers can even give. The only people that can clear regular content with no healers are those that are good at the game, with the best players being able to clear Savage and Ultimates with no healers after they've memorized the fight. Which means everybody needs what healers currently offer lol. The ONLY thing I'd argue for is less tank sustain. There's no reason WAR should be able to do what it can. The only self healing WAR should have is Thrill of Battle. No tanks should have party-wide heals. DRK can get bloodwhetting, make it vampire-themed. PLD shouldn't heal on spellcast, and I dunno about GNB; despite being a tank main I have never unlocked it.

[@wolfstar124]

GNB has heart of corrundum on almost 50+% uptime, aurora, and depending on what type of damage is going out they have heart of light too. Tank sustain is the main issue, not necessarily the status quo of dreadfully boring healing gameplay.

[@DeadSpaceWing]

​@@wolfstar124So, healers are complaining their tanks are too tanky. Got it.

[@wolfstar124]

@@DeadSpaceWing Healers aren't complaining that tanks are tanky, they're complaining that tanks are healers and there's nothing to do for 15-20 mins from the start to the end of a dungeon and it isn't until you hit savage where damage requires enough healing from the healers to justify them even being there over another dps

[@EpickBoi]

I feel like people are angry that Xeno did the No Healer dungeon run AT the Media Tour. Where the developers were present. I guess is as if the developer were seeing Xeno doing this run but turning a blind eye.

[@crazymage5316]

Tbf its xeno dude knows game inside and out so of course they could do it, plus story dungeons arnt meant to be super hard

[@slanderpop8771]

They said the story dungeons will be easy on purpose. The expert dungeons will be harder than before

[@avrax3497]

@@slanderpop8771 I highly doubt that because these are still story dungeons. Although I would love for it to be true.

[@Rhyden_Thorne]

"FFXIV healer strike" Sounds like the best time to start leveling a healer.

[@Kishuy]

SCAB! /jk

[@Klaudiuszeg]

So what lvl is ur healer now

[@justins7933]

Thought it was kinda funny when I looked up the person that started that thread on 14 logs and they raid as dps

[@dabK3r]

Xeems pulling out the J. Allen Brack quote xD

[@zh4835]

idk. i still find it funny that ff players say they "main (class)" when you can just switch on the fly.

[@LightSummoner84]

You are mistaken on one point; it's not because of the video of a dungeon being cleared with 1 War and 3 DPS. Although this annoys some players, it has existed since Shadowbringers. The issue is that the developers have simply ignored every thread. (and Yoshi-p said if you want more engaging content go play in ultimate). There has been one major thread for each expansion since Stormblood, and it became really apparent starting with Shadowbringers. Some healer players want less homogenization and a more engaging rotation-why should they be ignored? As for the dungeons, if the mobs do zero damage and the bosses also do zero damage, making healers unengaging, it is entirely the developers' fault for making the MSQ content totally brainless and unengaging. So yes, if a Tank is capable of providing group regen, a powerful shield, and being self-sufficient, it's normal that it bothers some players in casual content. Although it's not a major balance issue because it doesn't exist in savage/ultimate content. A game based on the Tank/DPS/Heal Trinity, no matter how easy the content is, should be engaging for every role. Even if it's not specifically the Warrior that's the problem in this case, but rather a global balancing issue that doesn't make all roles engaging in casual content and with a total lack of difficulty in that same content, no one can deny that the dungeons are mechanically bland and just visuals. The game will never be difficult even in casual content-that's pure copium thinking that. Then people will complain that it's too hard, and some dungeons will get nerfed, like The Burn in Stormblood, which was a completely unnecessary nerf. The challenge is not to make the dungeons difficult but to make them more engaging for all roles, and also to make the trash mobs more than just moving trash bins.

[@fireballaw6512]

This is why a lot of people have trouble respecting healers.

[@violetbliss4399]

I wouldn't say it's just players being the reason. If they had just removed the stance, that would be it. Having more buttons can be harder, but unless it's an unreasonable amount, it can never compare to a hard stance restriction. At the time, when the game is newer, probably having extra buttons also affects it some, but not that much. Having a stance restriction requires the healer to have knowledge of an entire fight cadence, in order to perform their basic functionality. Or just not dps at all. The healer change was in part player sure, but it was also a SE overreaction.

[@mocmeo4425]

Im not healer and im also not in this strike but some of their point are fair, healers are so boring in normal contents and outside of prog because everything is planned out, and the homogenization is also a good point, every healers have a single target heal, a party wide heal, a party wide mits

[@SmugLilBugger]

That's kinda the issue, yeah. If your tank starts doing the "Idgaf watch me play WoL" thing and simply tanks 20 waves of enemies with Bloodwhetting without really needing your assistance at all, you feel like you're worthless on the team. One person can effectively just make you feel useless on the team, which completely ruins the idea that no matter what kind of a WoL you are, you are helpful to the story and to the completion of dungeons. I'm entering Tower of Zot with the Scions watch the tank in front of me be more of a WoL than I am. I'm literally just a fuckin NPC from a random Fate that deals 0,3% damage at that point.

[@cyanmage1]

its really only boring in premade content I live that pug life and it is never boring

[@saninorochimaru2]

​@@SmugLilBuggeryeah but I also appreciate being able to load up a youtube video while i press my damage button

[@MelRetro]

*I’m a Warrior and I team up with my Best Friend that’s a Mage* *We got each other’s back to the end*

[@jimdale9143]

Great video as always! I’ve been thinking about where the devs might go with this. First off, no changes to raids or trials, maybe some to dungeons. Raids aren’t the problem, the devs know this even if some players don’t. Development lead time means no immediate changes, maybe later. (7.1? 7.2?) No tank nerfs, people like wall to walls and won’t like more wipes. They might adjust damage profiles in dungeons only, but that would still lead to less experienced tanks and healers wiping. By “profile” I mean more of the damage being unavailable, so you just have to heal through it. IF the devs do this, or something else, expect the change to be incremental. They have already experienced what happens when you flip from one extreme to its opposite.

[@MT-rh3bq]

Is it just me or was this exact same argument used like 2 years ago? It was another person who was basically a msq andy who never touched hard content is demanding that a class be changed to their standards.

[@justalfric8719]

im not taking part in the healer strike and i do plan to play healer but i think the point is that like this can even happen. obviously nobody wants nerfs to like warrior but i think healers want to actually have to heal more lol that’s my take on it. at least the parts that make sense(some people are actually flying off the handle) but yeah i get it

[@kirinoodles]

AST main since 5.1 here! I like your videos and i usually don't comment on any videos but i'd like to clarify the meaning of this strike because alot of misinformations has been spreading around. I don't think your mediatour video specifically triggered healers. the healers being bored or not feeling needed in content issue has been around since I started playing. I never really felt this issue when I started, especially since AST is/was so different from other healers as well. but for having played the others, i started feeling the same too. especially in casual content. we are just being very loud right now because as we could see from the media tour build (which yes could change, but i don't think it's going to change drastically), healers are still gonna feel the same. especially since they're giving alot of heal and mitigation utilities for alot of job and the only different healer to me (AST) is going to get major changes, changes that are not inherently bad because i think utility cards are neat but they could be better than "your solo healing spells kit on cards.". this could be totally fine if the damage received in ALL content will be increased but we've been saying that for 2 expansions now and i don't think it will happen in DT. which is why to me the most reasonable change we could ask for is not nerf or take away the utilities from the other jobs but instead give the healers more DPS buttons to press and optimize. all we got was a 2m follow-up, which is nice. it's a good start. but they also gave this to every other jobs. i think 2-3 more buttons that we could optimize and is different across all 4 healers would be nice. we don't need a whole DPS rotation because it wouldn't be reasonable for high-end content like savages and ultimates. before someone asks, i cleared all of the savages and ultimates since i started as well as doing p10s w1 without tank LB3 ♡

[@jerymarika]

This is exactly the core of it. Thank you.

[@briancho237]

Didn't some tank mains try to do this back in Stormblood and get laughed at by the whole community?

[@DeadSpaceWing]

Nice Story, warrior. How about you back that up with a source?

[@Fa1nTy]

"I play as a DPS if I want something different and exciting" "JP player says healers are not exiting and here is why that is okay!" lmao biggest brained JP player

[@Mimz670]

For anyone that wants the short version. 12:57

[@KrayzieLuck]

When they added bleed to Abyssos. It was very hard to find healers in PF. 😢

[@RaddyC]

Yeah because the bleed snapshotted the mitigations that were up when the raidwides went out. So DPS/tanks didn’t mitigate properly and would just blame healers when it wasn’t their fault

[@wolfstar124]

Which wasn't a healer issue, it was almost entirely due to tanks and dps refusing to use their personal mits. The number of times I got bitched and moaned at for not healing through 25k p5s bleed ticks because the tanks decided they wanted to eat unmitted tankbusters is absurd, doubly so for the random AOEs.

[@MurakamiTenshi]

This was possible as far back as HW with all summoner raids in BCOB (back when they could heal and Titan Egi was a decent tank). That was a pretty novel concept! However that was then and this is now. Don't need a healer? Then we're not playing it. Enjoy your 1 hour long dps queue.

[@MurakamiTenshi]

It's not Xeno's fault, it's a game design flaw that SE has been doubling down on for many years.

[@Geist1337]

As someone who mains healer (during expansion launches) - yes. Please strike. Get me the QUICKEST queues for the story mode. But also it is kind of ridiculous that healers are so unnecessary. Bosses should do more damage off players' oGCD timers so there's a point to hard cast heals, or even cast them at all on some fights; and bloodwhetting should maybe be slightly nerfed, or have a healing/target cap. And yes I mostly stick to dungeons and extremes. Clearing a savage, while not particularly difficult, and ultimates, are usually extremely time consuming content that I cannot get too invested into, so the content I CAN more freely do is boring and dull. And yes, I know they can't make these changes to old fights or tweak the jobs around those level ranges, because in some cases old fights will no longer function or work, as they were designed to work around very specific parameters and cooldowns and blah blah blah. But, they can make these changes going forward into the 90's, 100's and beyond.

[@0NBalfa0]

For the most part, ffxiv fights are not designed around assumptions of healer hardcasts (with some exceptions). They are designed around the skill cooldowns that the healers have. The problem is that to make something like that fully needed in dungeons, the dungeons should be able to do approximately half the damage of savage content ( so that one healer will have to get taxed). This is demanding too much from a community when it is quite likely for a bad tank to match with a bad-mediocre healer (or vice versa) and have a good chance to fail clearing the dungeon content. More people failing dungeons can dissuade the community from playing the game so it's always risky to make casual content harder. I have seen many healers instead ask for a dps rotation to avoid dealing with this problem. The problem I can see the devs be concerned about this approach is that a completely disconnected dps kit can be just as boring and now you end up with the same group complaining while also adding more buttons to the jobs (annoying substantially more people in the process). Therefore you want some kit to heal interaction that doesn't exactly force the player to heal at specific times (thus being quite unlike the current dps design). I think they have been moving to that direction (very) slowly. See for instance the changes to whitemage during the EW patches. I am not a healer main, I have healed savage and cleared TEA in ShB as brd, but I did get to listen to my healers discussing about the healer direction. Overall from my outsider's perspective, I do get to listen to many different voices on the direction each person would want of the jobs, often times appearing as conflicting with each other. There is a deep dissatisfaction in the community and I am not certain if most of the people are certain on what the specifics of the cause is (when viewed in the confines of trying to improve the game for everyone, and trying to solve the problem while not creating a bigger problem elsewhere). Edit: That said, I believe the devs are slightly missing the plot when they are trying to pretty much implement the complaints of the community without knowing well enough the reasoning behind them.

[@Klaudiuszeg]

You have to be mentally backwards if u enjoy pressing 1 button

[@FoxFireStorm]

Its funny to me, as a 1.0 player people are up in arms, because yeah, its well known that if a warrior knows what they are doing, they don't need a healer. Heck back in 2.0 and 3.0, a paladin didn't need a healer, because they had access to cure spells. So if a pld knew what they were doing had the right gear (and early 2.0, right stat build), they could do stuff without healers. But again, like all things, you really got to be comfortable with the game and your job to pull it off.

[@Dorunek]

as a warrior main i will continue clearing dungeons without a healer MANMODE

[@devinayaz9210]

Chad

[@DeadSpaceWing]

You need to be stopped.

[@eldiablo1467]

It's hilarious since you can do this with pretty much every tank in WoW as well, and have been able to for like 3 expansions. Healers are optional.

[@FutayuriShironeko]

I'm not joining the strike, but complaints about healer design being 1 button braindead turret is very valid. If they wanna keep us with current (DT) design give us cleric stance back so that we can have some actual risky min-max to play with for fun in easy content. On topic "If you wanna attack, play DPS" is super funny statement for someone whom in their post wrote he plays savage, I'm guessing he is not upholding that rule of his in the savage groups he's joining. Unless he joins savage 4 months post release and everyone sweats to carry his 2k dps butt to not enrage. Giving healers more giga powerful healing tools does not make them more fun to play. In fact during last savage tier prog we were sitting on our healing sheet with so many healing tools unspent that we just placed stuff like lilybell or macrocosmos in a random spot just to make healing sheet appear "filled", when in fact it was 60-70% OvH.

[@SubduedRadical]

Ew. God no. Cleric Stance is the most rose tinted goggles ability in all of MMO hsitory, if not gaming history. It was always a garbage ability, made even more garbage by how tight MP management was at the time and how Lustrate ignored it in ARR and Eos ignored it in ARR and HW. Terrible ability and when they removed it, the game was far better. No. I have SMN for when I want to play a DPS Job, which is extremely rare. I find healing generally enjoyable in this game, and I mostly play MSQ, 24 mans, normal 8 mans, occasionally Extremes, and VERY rarely Savages as a fill for my FC if they need an extra body. If you want a damage rotation - since you latched onto "if you wanna attack" from a guy who stated out right that he was JP and using a translator program, meaning you shouldn't assume the translation is 100% accurate - then play a DPS Job. They have far more extensive DPS rotations (mostly) and they make up more than half the Jobs in the game and half the party slots.

[@FutayuriShironeko]

@@SubduedRadical Every other MMO has healer with why more fluid 4-5 damage buttons they press regularly with a total of 8-10 damage buttons including 1-3 min damage cds. At the same times healing is also far better designed there and than it is in FFXIV (press 1, weave healing ogcd) WOW absolute fun isn't it? I like healing, but FFxiv healer design is bare bones and boring. If you compare playing as a Preservation Evoker or Restoration Shaman to any of FFXIV healers it almost seems that FFXIV healers aren't allowed to have fun... How is it hard to understand that healers should be allowed to have fun outside of prog, like the rest of the roles? People who hated cleric stance were either dogwater greedy healers or teammates of those dogwater healers. Ability itself was fine and was fun to squeeze out more damage as a healer when you got more comfortable with the fight.

[@professionalhomeinvader6173]

Healer will become more necessary and then people will be like 'Remember when it used to be you could run any class and it was still doable???? Make it easier!!!!" And the cycle repeats

[@DeadSpaceWing]

I'm hoping one day the devs will just go: "Dear FFXIV Community, No. -The XIV Dev Team"

[@dereksabin7393]

I'm a 20 year MMORPG Healer and let me tell you it's about how you choose to play the game. I enjoy Sage so much because as a healer I get to participate in the DPS and it's fun and refreshing instead of just constantly healing. You can do certain content without healers in many MMORPG games and that's okay and even funny :). Healers are still very much needed for the content that (to me) matters most, endgame content. While it is possible to do dungeons with no healer as a certain class, I promise you healers will always be needed for the content they were designed around. The focus while making healer cooldowns and abilities in general was not dungeons I promise you. Healers are designed around the hardest of content that requires a separate class to focus on keeping the team alive. Any other content is 2nd thought and healers are tweaked to be balanced in that content and in raids and such. This healer strike is ridiculous and I'd wager the majority of healers in it are those that are casual dungeon runners and trial explorers(nothing wrong with it, just their choice of how to play the game and find what they enjoy), not Ultima content or savage content healers. They laugh when they hear about this I'm sure. To each their own and have fun in the way that you please, but don't cause a complete healer overhaul just because one tank class has outstanding sustain abilities, if anything, take his sustain abilities down a notch and leave the healers be.

[@Crossbattle777]

As a future Viper main, we will accept all the heals that the warrior doesn’t need

[@miniminz1938]

As healer main I will probably take advantage of leveling viper on EA then switch to leveling healer on strike for that sweet instant q

[@Ederick1936]

to be honest. i would like to see all content in general bumped back up in difficulty. I think they should extend trusts all the way back to ARR and make that the "story mode" option for the game. we already HAVE a system in place to make sure sprouts can get through the story content, they jsut need to make it obvious

[@conniescurse7325]

all content except ultimates, we do not need a fight harder than TOP, imo.

[@azurelleb]

@@conniescurse7325I play shield healer in top and I have wiped the party a few times because I missed a mechanic (exasquare 2) because I was trying to remember mits. If people think healer not challenging, try harder content 😂

[@Ederick1936]

@@conniescurse7325 sorry, you are right, I was meaning to say "all casual content". basically anything accessable in roulette (that isn't mentor reoulette i suppose).

[@duncanmacleod6274]

I find the idea that having a lot of OGCD heals makes healing braindead, a little weird. Sorry, but is hard casting cure more often actually more engaging than weaving your heals between GCDs? It certainly isn't more APM, and idk, doesn't really seem harder either. For Sage, the whole point of the kit is that you're supposed to manage those other resources so that you can get full use out of Kardia along with your DPS. "How much can I afford to not heal" is just how healers optimize in this game, and I'm okay with that.

[@nitemare1004]

as a healer main, i will just go into dt as a sage and get insta queues. my smooth brain can't handle too much after a long day of work. not saying I don't do my best as a healer, but I can't be bothered to spend days, weeks, months perfecting a dps rotation when I constantly want to heal people.

[@MrBloodriver]

The problem is... I dont want healers to be easy. I want atleast simple dps rotation like one for disc priests in wow. Healers in FFXIV are overloaded with healing spells. Even in ultimate, we dont need that much heals. Even savage bosses have a few mechanics those required you to heal the party. If someone missteps the usual mechanic on savage its neither a raise or wipe. The other 90% of your time you feel bored, couse you keep spaming broil and refreshing bio refresh. At least, they could make all healers alike sage in terms of damaging spells. Not inentical of course.

[@metalgearbear9748]

"We have to understand the reason healers are the way they are is because of us" Who is this us? Not me, I don't remember wanting this stuff trimmed. So how do I, the midcore player who wants healing to not be mind-numbingly boring, not get the flak when these strange changes are made? And let's be real for a bit, this is partly on the devs not pushing back against silly ideas or complaints, too. And they've been moving every job towards homogenization, simplifying everything way too much. At this point I would love more frequent damage buttons to press, or combo actions. Not more Glare spam and "every 2-3 minutes you can press a dps button, while you wait for that you don't need to heal much". Like, it just isn't very fun and engaging and I just want it to be.

[@jacobtridef48]

Xeno's Take on jobs needing harder rotations and fights needing less body checks i agree with so hard. i cannot stand mechs punishing me, when someone else messes up, as if somehow it was my fault.. and i 100% think many jobs could use a lil more complexity to rotations. He was SPITTING with that take

[@illuminatin6497]

As a person who routinely does nothing but savage+ every tier, of course you need a healer - that's not the point here. The "not needing a healer" is a complaint unique to dungeons. In high-end content, the problem as that healers, effectively, are just anti raidwide simulator. I'm sorry, but I'd like to do more than allocate my long cooldowns at set intervals, press 1 AoE heal once every 45-60 seconds, and go back to doing DPS for 95% of my playtime. We want more to heal, and we are tired of being forced to hold a mandatory minimum of 250 damage GCDs per encounter. We would like to, ya know...heal. And in order to do that, we need damage to be more frequent and we need tanks to chill out on doing our job for us.

[@cassiusbright1062]

The thing is, even in high-end content, healers exist to be light party magnets more than actual healers. I'd wager if mechanics didn't force healers, people would be dropping them for more DPS. Healing checks are simply too light across all levels of content.

[@illuminatin6497]

@@cassiusbright1062 Nothing but air-tight facts here.

[@Asari547]

people talk about the healer strike and healer problems... that means the 'strike' achieved its goal.

[@LulzItsForge]

Theyre just whinning and crying but when dawntrail comes out they'll be playing it.

[@lizmichaels8994]

I remember clearing 2.0 dungeons before 2.1 with 3 dps and a healer (no tank, I as the monk with riddle of earth tanked more or less and the whm holy stunned) just out of boredom. Does that mean tanks are bad? Should we tank strike? I also remember having runs when all the party but the war dies on bosses at 30% hp and the war just solos. Still back in ARR. And for the whole time from ARR to now 3 dps and a war could pretty much clear any dungeon. From the time of cleric stance to the current meta. This is the silliest drama. War has always been able to solo sustain insanely. And frankly three dps and any support can run any dungeon, they always have been able to, though obviously war is your best pick for not having to do tiny pulls.

[@Jayko92279]

I'm a healer. I play a healer because I like healing and it's relatively easy. I'll keep healing.

[@RaddyC]

Playing as a healer should be fun in anything, not just ex savage and ultimate. I shouldn’t be falling asleep healing a normal dungeon or raid. I shouldn’t be pressing one single button 130+ times in any piece of content at all. It’s fucking boring. If I have to do some of the hardest stuff in the game to have fun as a healer then healers are badly designed and people have been complaining about this for five years now

[@cutejustice]

I got a solution that will solve literally all of this. They have stated that MSQ content is supposed to be easy and casual right? Then redesign all MSQ dungeons to be based on pvp mechanics. Eliminate the need of tanks pulling and healers healing. Now everyone is “equally” balanced and dungeons are just another fun pvp style content but for pve. Everyone just knocks down every incoming mob and the whole need for a trio is effectively over. Now players who *want* to participate in harder content and dive deeper into their kit, they’ll find the time to practice on some dummies or just learn through progging harder content. Boom 👏 solved.

[@velraith]

I miss hard mode dungeons. Good step up in between normal dungeons and savage content. I do kinda think healing on tanks should be slightly more limited.

[@1ch1r1n]

Healers when they get what they want: :D Healers when Black Mages stay in Ley-Lines: D:

[@BladesValor]

I have been super excited to try the new Astro changes in DT. Now I can also enjoy even shorter queue times!

[@trodune]

I guess people haven't noticed warrior's been able to solo about anything without an enrage or player disable like gaols since at bare least wiping city of mhach was new.

[@bronxshogun7089]

As far as I’m concerned, the community is its own worst enemy.

[@SarJulem]

One method to help address the problem(s) the healers are having is to add a new behaviour / mechanic in mobs. Every now and then you get mobs that ignore aggro. They go for random dps/healer and damage the tank each time they attempt to aggro said mob. Dps will need to focus fire instead of brain dead rotations, healers need to be on their feet and tanks will need to balance between keeping aggro and taking damage from the new mob / mechanic. When it comes to bosses there would be a period where they clense/ignore aggro from the tank and go for a random target for a while - if the boss manages to kill said target it gets a bonus for doing so. Don't know what that is but it can be anything from healing itself, spawning adds, buffing itself or perma debuff that can be removed by healers - imagination's the limit.

[@DoktorWieg]

* People making a healer strike * New healers and healers without an ego : *"Welp, my duty finder queue privilege just got even better"*

[@kegosan7622]

As developer, you maybe have a problem with a role if the only fun job is actually a limited job with Blue Mage Healer.