My way of using trigram dice

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[@zuzuzu4594]

Gracias 😊

[@darien6334]

I’m curious about the other method the regular dice method and the I Ching dice

[@user-jx5tp2tf4i]

Dank je wel, Harmen! I have two questions. 1. What will you do if it happens that one (let say the first) die you pick by random is a changing die, with a given trigram, say Mountain (after having been turned anti-clockwise), and then the corresponding one (let say the third) is showing exactly the same trigram, Mountain (straight or after turning it anti-clockwise again)? 2. Have you ever considered using 8-sided dice? (They're used for RPG. You can easily buy them in games shops or on the web sites with board games accessories). The have numbers from 1 to 8, which may correspond to trigrams numbered 1-8; than you add a 6-sided die to decide how many lines are changing (use a regular die numbered 1-6, you may then add a coin throw to decide whether 6=6 (all lines changing) or 6=0, if needed), and then the only isue that remains is to decide which lines are changing ones. You use a third die, a regular 6-sided die (maybe of another colour), to thow as many times as needed (from 1 to 5) in order to select one by one the changing lines.

[@YiTubeChannel]

1. in that case both trigrams are the same - no change. It does add interesting philosophical implications though: the tirgram was achieved 90° turned which in my method means it is a chanchin trigram. Yet in the end it doesn't change. So maybe it WANTS to change, but is stuck.... Just rambling here :-) 2. yes I have thought of these but it would make getting moving lines a bit complicated. But I have seen these dice on several Chinese webshops, with trigrams on them.

[@rayoflight6204]

On #2, I think it's meant to be thrown to indicate which line is changing, not how many lines are changing. There is that method where one and only one line is changing and could be changing. That's how I understood them. It's the shortened way to produce hexagram. But yeah, I think the method you wrote there could also work, although a bit more complicated IMO.

[@noychoh]

@@YiTubeChannel 1. That's a very insightful answer. Thank you

[@noychoh]

​@@rayoflight6204 Yes, II know, it was obvious that it was thought so by Harmen, yet my method, odf course a bit more complicated, may have overcome Harmen's worry that his method produces ONLY "one or none" line changing, but sometimes the oracle may need to show me more than one line changing (may want me to pass to another hexagram).

[@gimenacanton3924]

Thank you for sharing your method. I stil have a doubt: In asymmetric hexagramms, how do you distinguish when it is wind and when it is lake, for example, when the die comes out sideways?

[@carmenmidongomez]

As you can see in the video, you will know if it is Lake or Wind when you turn the die counterclockwise, that is, to the left. The same happens for Thunder and Mountain.

[@mystickahayag]

Thanks for the info. I wonder if the I Ching sticks with four sides are better than these dice