My Worries with Jarl Vetreidi | Armory Deck: Origins | Flesh and Blood TCG

[@joshuahburkhart9733]

After playing with and against this hero around 50 games, i dont think he will be as problematic as people may expect. His hands are clunky and "power cards" take huge investments (via resource set up or time walking themselves). If you are smart with your armor and play a decent number of blues, you can get jarl pretty low on life before he is online and just ride that wave to victory

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@joshuahburkhart9733 Its definitely a race, but we will see. I'm just malding because I have to pay to runegate now and I'm mainly redline so its time to switch some stuff up lol

[@smilelikeachow]

It may look scary (and it definitely is), but fortunately, Frozen to Death (FtD) requires: - 3 cards from Jarl's hand (or 2 if FtD's in arsenal) - a -1🛡️counter to be on the equipment marked for destruction. If you don't block with the equipment for as long as possible, Jarl will be forced to used either: - Crumble to Eternity, which ends his turn, and implicitly "prices" him into making a big dominated swing next turn, or - Exposed to the Elements, which exposes Jarl himself because he needs almost his whole grip to make the most of it (and still costs as much as FtD). to get the counter on. This means that as threatening as Jarl may seem with frostbites and equipment destruction, he ironically exposes himself with some big openings when making those plays. As the opponent, when we see Exposed, or Crumble, or Unforgiving, that's the cue to go on the offensive, forcing Jarl to take a massive chunk of damage in exchange for the equipment. This should be possible after accounting for the frostbite/blizzard/ice tax. After going on the offensive, it is then important to not fall behind on tempo because once Jarl gets to keep a full grip, things are quickly going to snowball (ha ha) out of control.

[@themisvoul1045]

Indeed all these theoretical op effects have the usual guardian problems of requiring 3-4 card hands for mediocre results.

[@Mezha07]

He sounds strong in paper but in practice is decently fair and as much as he can cause disruption he is also prone to disruption

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@smilelikeachow I understand it takes alot for his effects to work, but if your deck can't go on the offensive due to a "runeblade" hand scenario when he presents those -1 counters, you just lose your equipment. Obviously, they "have to have it" and if you put them on defense, its hard to navigate that turn, but you can't guarantee that YOU have an aggressive hand. It will be interesting and tbh frostbites arent even what worries me so much with this deck. Its the "I dont have to hit you to destroy your equipment"

[@BoredLyron]

What heroes have you played into Jarl? I'm wondering about Aurora that I have been playing (and doing quite well compared to my usual success). The equipment destruction isn't as big of a deal for Aurora as it is for many ice heroes, but I'm wondering if you can get the Jarl low enough fast enough that the frostbites don't just lock you out of the game? I run more blues than most Auroras already, as I value Starfall+embodiment more than many of the low power reds, but I still have fully red hands often enough. I'm holding on to hope that adding 3 more blues might make the matchup at least not an auto loss, but I feel scared...

[@themisvoul1045]

@@BoredLyron the occasional frostbite doesn't do much. Aurora is power creeped and Jarl belongs to the past. When you threaten 17 damage per turn, there is nothing to be done.

[@FaBtin1185]

Thanks for the video Ashenwingz!

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@FaBtin1185 Anytime :D

[@REALMozared]

Yes, Jarl can kill your Spring Tunic on turn 0. But to do that he needs to start the game and then draw an opening hand that is exactly Crumble to Eternity, Frozen to Death, a blue, and an Ice Card. This is far from impossible, but it's also a little like starting as Rhinar and drawing into 2X Barraging Beatdown (Red), a Show No Mercy and a blue. And in Jarl's case, all he will do is just destroy your chestpiece, not 'start the game 10+ life ahead'. Game is far from over if you can't play Tunic. Either way, point is that that's basically 'the dream opening', like... It's a "once every 100 games" scenario. Honestly, I do think Jarl's equipment destroying capabilities will impact the game in a notable way, but I generally welcome that. People are incredibly greedy with their equipment and it's become a little boring to see people do things like playing Tunic over Redback in Assassin "because it's just better". Cool, but now there is at least *something* that can punish you for that. You no longer just always have a permanent advantage over anyone that doesn't want to shell out $100 bucks for a chestpiece. I'm mostly worried for heroes that are super reliant on their equipment and really have no choice but to be so. For example, playing Riptide is just extremely unfun without Trench, and I have had 1 or 2 awful games in the past where it was destroyed early to a Dash getting lucky with their T-Bones. But then it's also worth keeping in mind that LSS isn't stupid, and they are releasing Jarl just ahead of a Draconic set, which could bring a card like Thaw back into the meta - along with new cards that have similar effects.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@REALMozared I don't know that I'm expecting Turn 0 destruction, but its just the agency the player has to stop it that worries me. Rhinar with a god hand does alot of damage, sure, but playing that combo early is nowhere near as impactful as if you played it when the opponent is at 10 life. Jarl might need a good few turns to destroy equipment, but going into a more grindy game against ice, the goal was to stay in the race if the game was going to go for longer, therefore running Grasp of the Arknight over Vexing was more important. Jarl just says "I don't care what your gameplan is, if I get Frozen to Death, your endgame is worse". And its really the fact that Frozen to Death doesn't require an on hit like Mangle does. Mangle gives Agency to the player to say "Hey, if you didnt pack dreacts, you might lose equipment" where as Frozen to Death just says "You lose equipment". Hopefully this makes a bit more sense as to why I'm worried about Jarl. Its legitimately just Frozen to Death and nothing else about the deck xD

[@Paradoxed25]

He's got the damage output of a wet rag. He'll be good against a number of decks, but I dont expect to see him at any top tables at big events.

[@TheLegalCustodian]

The time for greedy resource bases is over, which is well overdue. SIPSIPs (Equipments are cards that starts in play and stay in play - hence SIPSIP) have been too safe for 5 years straight aside of fringe hate cards like exposed to the elements. It was just a matter of time for a hero to arrive who contest the equipment dependence of some heroes. Yet, Jarl will be no big problem at all in the current CC metagame. While Zen and Aurora excel at doing some degenerate things, Jarl has to put work in to bring those heroes down to a fair level and beat them up. Attacking equipment and starivng them of resources will accomplish exactly that but he still has a lot of work to put in to get there. Oldhim on the other hand was ready to outlast everything and anyone from start to finish. Ant then... there is Enigma which is one of the best performing decks right now. And as long as Enigma (end arguably) Nuu are running the show, Jarl will have its place above the all the other guardians but below every A tier deck. Jarl can do some disgusting things, no questions there. But by far not as much of a problem as he appears to be.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@TheLegalCustodian I certainly hope he isn't the monster I make him out to be in my video. If it wete just Mangles we were dealing with, then it would be fine. But Frozen to Death takes away a players agency to "do something about it" and thats the real unfair thing I see about Jarl. I hope he is Mid, but results at events will show the true tale

[@sakidickerson]

I kind of want to get this Armory deck as my first deck but the price is right now seemed kind of crazy compared to the other Armory decks is this normal?

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@sakidickerson This armory deck is about $20 USD more than the others because it is their Armory Deck: Origins line. The deck comes with a Legendary which is great for the additional cost

[@andrewostman3135]

Summit is fine. You look at it as six resources... But for a deck in the 42+ blue count range, it is tuesday. Block 2 cards, swing. It is basically anothos with an extra effect. You would ve pitching 2 cards anyway. I have found that just using it turn on turn makes people want to block and i start to strip cards

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@andrewostman3135 It just seems like alot. Yeah you're still pitching 2 cards, but 1 red to tectonic for a discount on your next guardian attack and then 6 damage with a possible pummel on the back end seems more scary? Its fine, but idk if its my playstyle

[@andrewostman3135]

@AshenWingzTCG I don't honestly think you're going to be running tectonic. I think it's more likely that you will be running the bark chest piece. Because of the way it synergizes with felling

[@ezzye3]

Teklovossen sweatin

[@Possu81]

If Jarl truly is S-tier all around it'll make gameplay experience probably bad :( I expect hero is more like fatigue playing hero who has some excellent matchups and some really bad ones. I hope it goes to b-category getting top8 now and then

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@Possu81 I can only hope it stays near B. But lets be honest, Ice is a favorite amongst many pro players and the destruction of equipment early in the game is going to give you ultra tempo lol

[@AzurielMist]

"Cries in runegate" It's honestly such a slap down for Vynnset, having to pay resources to runegate now, while also having enough cards in hand to play a NAA with additional resources costs etc, we already have a pseudo IP penalty from her ability as it is :L Reduce to runechant can bail us out of some frost bites if we have runechant sitting there, but it's hard pressed to justify cards like runic reckoning in the lists etc.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@AzurielMist Its definitely gonna be annoying. Having to pay to gate sucks, but at most I'm paying 2 ish extra maybe? Reduce is the key play though. It'll be weird for sure

[@isaachudson9108]

I didn't finish this video, but I feel I could pick any hero and make this exact same video. "Florian can sink your arsenal with no interaction" "Aurora plays cards that are 0 for 4 with go again". Yes those things are true. But it's only their interaction with the wider game that truly matters and I don't feel like you addressed this at all in the first 12 minutes I watched.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

Playing a 0 for 4 gives the player agency to put dreacts into the deck to prevent onhits. Florian can sink your arsenal, but only if you have one and if they meet their requirements to decompose. Yeah, Jarl has to have an Ice card, a blue and Frozen to Death, but as long as you have equipment and that equipment has a -1 counter, its destroyed. I'm not saying he is busted, I'm simply stating that I'm worried it will be another poorly received play pattern that will give people the feels bads.

[@pengwnbuster]

You haven't played jarl on talishar have you

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@pengwnbuster I have not yet played him or against him. I don't like using Talishar because statistics are not correct in most cases. Especially in an open format until the hero is released

[@HeavensMandate8040]

Dont see how this hero can be over powered when enigma exists

[@julesbanos1654]

his power to destroy equipment makes any nitro mechanoid and singularity pointless. LSS hates mech confirmed again and again.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

I mean, at least mechs have fabricate xD

[@julesbanos1654]

@@AshenWingzTCG HAHAHA will it become a mech staple along with 4 proto base equipment for the match up? I cannot imagine as a mech main myself. If only it removed the -1 counters from equipment xD

[@Milaber]

Bruh..Have you seen Oldhim?

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@Milaber Played aginst him many times in the past, so yes.

[@Toleezu6]

This is kind of unrelated, but maybe someone ca help. If Jarl is on Mangle, and people knew who he was ahead of time, who is featured on Exude Confidence?

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@Toleezu6 The reason people knew who Jarl was is because of the flavor text on Mangle, which contained either a quote or referenced Jarl Vetreidi. I dont believe exude has flavor text to give that foresight

[@coryparker2716]

Olympia counter??

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@coryparker2716 I wish there was enough copium for this to be an option xD

[@DaMangoSentinel]

Jarl is a mistake on LSS's part. He sound so unfun to play against.

[@bradleysippers6334]

I feel like Anothos and Peak will be a good pair. Pitch a blue to make them ditch a card then pitch and turn on Anothos.

[@chrisybarra108]

Cornet peak doesn’t have go again

[@tcgmetaslayer4202]

Oldhim is more legendary

[@thomasdowling2668]

No

[@FaB-Bear]

Very happy to see control coming back. Aggro metas are the absolute worst thing for FaB. No thought, head empty vomiting your hand turn after turn is as boring as this game gets

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@FaB-Bear Its not even an aggro meta. Enigma is doing super great and Victor is even a great contender right now. Control has always been there to counter aggro, but the destruction of equipment without the need to hit has me worried

[@FaB-Bear]

@@AshenWingzTCG No arguments on results, because both are good, but they're propped up by CYB, and I doubt either would be doing nearly as well without that crutch. It feels like you're either on hyper aggro (like 5 of the worlds top 8) or you're on CYB (the other three)

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@FaB-Bear I'd consider both Aurora and DIO post Octane to be more combo than hyper aggro, but regardless, they have their merits and High Octane getting the ban has taken that deck down quite a bit from its initial aggro plan. Aggro isn't unhealthy, its just another part of TCGs

[@somesortofchemist]

I think without anything to punish ultra greedy redline builds fab meta gets kinda mindless. Ice does this pretty well just by existing. Aggro needs to exist for healthy meta but something has to keep it in check

[@FaB-Bear]

@ Yeah, that’s more what I was trying to say I think. Aggro isn’t necessarily bad, mindless redline aggro is.

[@caesportsfpsproreplays82]

bro's bullshitting even before he tested it. please do your homework

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@caesportsfpsproreplays82 Thank you for this constructive criticism

[@djsk244]

Wow, another possibly OP Hero in FAB... Why am i not surprised lmao.

[@AshenWingzTCG]

@@djsk244 This is, i believe, the only hero I have ever considered to be OP xD I don't use that term lightly