Did PXG Copy LAB Golf? | No Putts Given

[@kaplandjk]

Recently I went from PXG putter to LAB. What a difference. Sam got on an actual phone call with me when I put questions out there during the fitting process. I suck at putting and LAB made me much better. Sam rocks!

[@vptuma7347]

Sam Hahn makes the point that unless other companies are willing to hand-build each putter to make sure the balance is correct, they will not achieve true zero torque through the stroke. That is probably not a commitment many mass producers would be willing to make.

[@stephendibari5010]

Yes 🙌. LAB are built to your exact lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXGs putter

[@lawbinson]

A company with enough resources can build a variety of lie angles and balances. Then it’s a matter of fitting.

[@jgpratt2010]

Hand built and balanced in Oregon baby. Not mass produced in China

[@stephendibari5010]

@@lawbinson unlike LAB, PXG isn’t building them to my lie angle or anyone else’s. That’s the issue.

[@lkae4]

PXG Allan looks great but LAB is individually hand-balanced. That's unreal these days. And made in the USA. Come on, golfers. Real innovation, real passion, real results need to be rewarded. Not a guilt trip, either. Real results.

[@relentless1]

I played my first round with my PXG Allan putter. I am a 15.5 index. I had 31 putts which is 4 putts below my average. I had zero 3 putts. I had 3 birdies on the back 9. It took some getting used to but my back 9 showed me the potential.

[@loutennant99]

Same results, i have the branding iron lab putter. Just cannot come to terms with the lab look the PXG really works for me

[@TheOtherKine]

Yeah I love that honeymoon phase as if you've been shot in the arm with a Steroid LMAO

[@asnmvet08]

Now imagine how much better you could have putted with a putter LAB hand built for you.

[@jayholiday256]

I’ve been playing PXG for 6 years and have a newish Spitfire putter, it’s fantastic and I don’t need to get an Allan just yet

[@billsinclair313]

I have a DF3 and to me at this point in time, there is no other putter, period.

[@davidsutton4056]

DF2.1 user for many years. Why would anyone want to use a putter that has torque and is not center shafted?

[@bloombeards812]

Same… the df 2.1 will never leave my bag… purely based on results over my last 4 seasons

[@lanemurray6795]

I've owned 3 deferent LAB Golf putters (DF 2.1, DF 3, and Mizz 1 Max). The DF 3 has been in my bag since they came out. I just purchased the PXG Allen. I LOVE IT. One of the main reasons I struggled with the LAB putters, is the weight. The Allen feels great, looks great and putts great. I don't really care what the revealer shows. I care more about how it feels in my hands.

[@iiZAPPx]

Yet you bought 3 L.A.B putters? You are addicted to the honeymoon phase

[@Tylerstorey63]

I had a LAB as well and I like the Allan much better, it looks much better to look at and it never leaves the line. to me, it looks like a spider and I love the style of it

[@iiZAPPx]

@Tylerstorey63 confidence in what you're looking down at is important! Still a big vouch for L.A.B products but I'm happy you guys are finding new stuff that you find beneficial

[@Tylerstorey63]

@@iiZAPPx yeah I still love the LAB putter but I just prefer the look of the PXG and I never thought I would ever say that about a PXG product lol I have never been a fan of there stuff.

[@RickJennings-l2q]

Just a comment, L.A.B putter is awesome DF3 is in my bag. L.A.B is coming out with a new mallet that looks much more traditional. Looks fantastic might try? Until then nothing will replace my L.A.B DF3.

[@jokerman-pl4dp]

The Allan Putter is awesome!!! so easy to hit!

[@pschilleru]

I agree with you on the PXG ball retail price of $49 however, at $33 a dozen at the buy 2 get 1 free offer, I am going to give it a go. I look forward to your ball testing on the new PXG ball.

[@chadblackwood579]

You won’t be disappointed, my buddy gave me a couple sleeves great feel all around , roll great on the green

[@loutennant99]

Love pxg, play mostly pxg but….never paying that much for a pxg ball. Need to entice you in to buy

[@theleakyvalve]

I think it would be cool to have a forum member come on the pod whenever you guys are chatting about a product that the forum is getting the chance to test. Specifically someone who is actually getting that chance to test it, or has tested it!

[@Siggy_Sour]

swing speeds Gapper set is smart. AKA my dad. they should be able to re-number them so it looks like a legit set.

[@GolfSpyC]

Yep, was thinking about my dad on that one as well...He has 4 clubs (maybe more) that all go 150 yards. He doesn't need 14 clubs...8-9 would be fine

[@Siggy_Sour]

​@@GolfSpyC my dads fave club is his Tour Edge HL4- 6 iron-wood i got on Demo so i found him a 7 and 9 version. gets him down to his old 8 iron and PW he basically bumps and runs with. Been playing better with a small setup. Cant putt like he used to tho lol.

[@jayholiday256]

I tried both, and they’re both great. PXG looks nicer and is cheaper by a couple hundred bucks, game over

[@lawbinson]

Isn’t every putter company copying for the most part 😂 When every company has their own torqueless putter, you’ll then see LAB start to make some Ansers.

[@michaelcmg6754]

The real question is: Did LAB Golf copy SeeMore? They are doing lieangle balanced putters for so long now. It's nothing new to the market

[@GolfSpyC]

Starting to split hairs a bit - which is where I think the entire "zero torque" discussion is headed, but SeeMore's calling card is an alignment system (red dot + centershaft) - this isn't the same as L.A.B.

[@jakesells2379]

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[@michaelcmg6754]

@@GolfSpyC I disagree - While their alignment system (aka Rifle Scope) is one of there talking points, lie angle balanced has always been an important marketing point for SeeMore.

[@GolfSpyC]

@@michaelcmg6754 As I understand lie-angle balancing, SeeMore isn't the same...it just isn't. CG balanced perhaps, and I get that there's plenty of nuance here, but if you really understand how LAB builds putters, it's clear that lie-angle balancing isn't what SeeMore is doing

[@jongeephotography]

"Srixon, we're also Endo Forged®"😂😂😂

[@kolchak357]

Not everyone will like the same feel or same looking putter. No matter the putter, you will find it on eBay used because someone didn’t like it. You really don’t know until you take them on the putting green. Find what works best for you and don’t worry about the marketing hype or what your buddy plays.

[@franklinniesterjr3812]

The Presidents Cup should be for Collegiate Players, 12 top NCAA players, or make it MIXED DOUBLES from NCAA. RYDER CUP should stay pros only.

[@lawbinson]

Is there a President’s Cup equivalent in the LPGA?

[@donsmnc5319]

The fact that the Allan looks more like a conventional putter vs the LAB's funky looking designs doesn't seem to get much play on any of these talking heads channels

[@gordonsteen5560]

What's with all the crap talk get on with the review you advertised

[@bournefree]

Like the pig head style more than lab

[@Tognar]

I really don’t think it is a good look for LAB to be so concerned with what every other manufacturer is going to do that crowds there thing. Like you just need to be secure and confident in your product and let the results speak for themselves. Are they gonna put out a diss track for every putter that comes out that is balanced? It will never end.😂

[@samhahn6950]

I hear you and I hate having to do it. But in this case, it’s just blatant false advertising and capitalizing on 10 years of hard work on our part. It feels necessary to educate folks on this new space in the putter world and to advertise their putter as zero torque when it’s not even close just sucks. Not good for the consumer nor the industry. There’s been some other cometitors and if they stay in their lane and don’t make false claims, we dont make videos. Odyssey and Evnroll have had putters that perform similarly to the Allan but their marketing claims are honest. That isn’t the case here.

[@brianlardin9404]

@@samhahn6950 the only education the people need on the false PXG advertising is that any putter that "finds home" (as the PXG video so confidently states) cannot do so in the absence of torque. It as an absolute requirement of the laws of physics for the Allan to "find home" that the lever being pulled to find home IS, in fact, TORQUE!

[@Tognar]

​@@samhahn6950 Now that I think of it, a proper diss track is perhaps what golf needs. Get Kendrick Lamar in the studio to really burn it up. 😁

[@samhahn6950]

@@Tognar on it! lol

[@jbweezer]

Maybe PXG should say that "finding home" is useful torque or at least more useful than a conventional putter? I don't know a lot about physics so perhaps that's contradictory on its face, I dunno.

[@ScratchArkkitehti]

Bro needs to lay off the dip....Get that hole checked out brotha😮

[@GolfSpyC]

Funny enough, I don't chew. Never have.

[@TheOtherKine]

They tried but it's a poor imitation

[@swish1onu]

Copy? Certainly not the looks...

[@duanemcclurg7897]

Copycat in the industry has been going on forever. Scotty’s look really similar to a Ping Anser

[@GolfSpyC]

Yep, in a competitive marketplace, success will always breed inspiration from others...just as the sun rises in the east

[@jakesells2379]

The PXG Allen is low torque, but not zero torque. I'm sure it's a great putter and will probably be a good fit for lots of golfers. The only issue that I see is that they are marketing it as "Zero Torque".

[@lkae4]

LAB is legit. Not messiah putters but definitely not a gimmick. The multiple unsponsored tour wins support it. Most putters are great so every little improvement may be quite small. But they add up.

[@stephendibari5010]

LAB are built to your lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXG’s Allen putter. Also, Sam Hahns video shows the Allen isn’t 100% torque free

[@jrod8586]

Yes, but there is nowhere you’re going to go and say I want to hit a five iron and a T2000 and a six iron and a T100… pretty much anywhere you go to get fit you’re hitting a six or seven iron that’s it. We are not tour players and don’t have that opportunity.

[@GolfSpyC]

You're 100% correct....maybe that should change! Why should consumers be fit for 6-8 clubs based on the performance of a single club?

[@gcopeland19]

Completely agree. I love my MP223’s, but need more launch and spin in mid-long irons. Additionally, I probably could use a blade in 9-P

[@lkae4]

Yeah, 5 iron can be when the fitting becomes crucial. My ZX7 6 iron is amazing but 5 iron goes nowhere. Guess it just gives me an excuse to upgrade to ZXi5/7 combo soon haha.

[@AdamKrey]

If Anything, PXG copied VOID putters. The neck looks very similar between the two

[@poz6294]

I got fit for the DR3 the other day. I've never experienced anything like that in my life. It's a cheat code, incredible.

[@barrygoodson4952]

I have carried a 44" and 45" driver both for years. The 44 is a Titleist 910D 12* and 45" is a Mizuno STX 10.5 *. The 910 is a fairway finder all day long. Still has good carry distance because it a little spinny but if you need short grass it's a killer for that. I just don't carry a real 3 wood but a 16.5* TM M4 - 3 wood that is more like a 4 wood. You have to give up something to carry two drivers !

[@dougmael]

Guys, I actually have a “ mega mini driver”, but it is 440cc. I built a Maltby KE4 Pro driver at 44” long and added enough weight to the clubhead through the sole weight port to achieve a D3 swingweight. It works great as a “control driver”, although it is sort of like a larger version of the mini driver.

[@mikes.8481]

Odyssey made a “toe up” putter years ago. I bought one on eBay for less than $100. It works exactly like the pxg.

[@yodisbsteve]

I don’t know if it works for men, but a USA/europe/world tournament for women’s would be great.

[@shawntaylor7442]

I never really got along with hybrids till I picked up the Paradym Super Hybrid. Thankfully at ⅓ the price. Instead of mini drivers, like to see some OEM release more similar hybrids to the super. Seems more practical than a mini driver

[@Siggy_Sour]

thats what 7 woods and 9 woods are for

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

LAB is ripped off and copied. End of.

[@l33tLX]

Solhiem/Ryder cup seems easy. East vs West hemisphere. North and South America vs Europe, Asia, Australia etc

[@johndomutz1052]

I LIKE the swing-speed set of irons idea! It would be a fitted set, but more realistic for slow swing players like myself. 😊

[@k9feces]

Callaway is going to buy LAB eventually

[@Siggy_Sour]

Slate Blue

[@victaflyer]

Fitting options for PXG is significantly less than LAB. I felt like the LAB putter was fitted to me. If the PXG fits you, it is a great putter and better value for money. It would concern me if you wanted to change the lie/loft at a later date. Well worth getting a fitting for both and see which feels more suited to your setup.

[@franklinniesterjr3812]

I LOVE Charley Hull. If I wasnt married,....

[@lawbinson]

5:30 is essentially the same argument for Bryson, Rahm, Phil, Ian, Westy to participate in the Ryder Cup as players or captains.