Revenant is Destiny 2 without the filler... For BETTER & for WORSE

Destiny 2's Lore and Story in Revenant has cut out the filler and allowed players to engage with all of Act 1 in a single week as part of an experiment. The results have been mixed, with the reveal showing that there's actually a lot less content when the filler has been removed, even if that content has been good. For what it's worth, Revenant's content has been good but there's not been very thin on the ground. Here are my thoughts on how it's going so far.
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[@extremevelocitygaming973]

Whatever people’s thoughts are on the season, can we all agree that Fikrul showing up and crashing the HELM was infinitely more menacing than anything Maya did in Echoes

[@joshuaroman6479]

Facts, that alone made the story compelling because we actually took a loss.

[@Asturjgm]

She messed with Saint's and Osiris' relationship and I take very personally any harm done to my gay space grandpas >:(

[@iamboringvideos6832]

Well it is fikrul, being fikrul

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

Not to mention turning an entire Ketch of Fallen into Scorn that caused the crash. Scary to think Fikrul can possibly just show up near the city and turn all the Fallen

[@adamboy0559]

Fikrul just topped every maya did in the first 15 minutes. Attacking the helm something only the witness prior had done and it didn’t even harm it. Fikrul showed up in our ship crowned himself kell of Kells then left. Maya made us come to her in her area and still lost.

[@punchline1729]

I like the current story more than Echoes

[@matthewwiles1974]

Same here. Having an open antagonist at the beginning of the story and immediately working to stop him from turning the Eliksni into Scorn is a lot better of a hook than, "Go to Nessus because Vex are doing a spooky." Sure, the latter can work like it did (somewhat) in Season of the Splicer, but not like it was doing in Echoes.

[@arielbenveniste8070]

@@punchline1729 I feel like unlike echoes in revenant something about the world changed in Act 1, like we are this close to the houses uniting

[@TBDS1990]

Agreed.

[@micahschatz8001]

I agree. It's a much more interesting antagonist and not so much lovey-dovey lame crap. I'm so sick of the Saint/Osiris stuff. I don't mind the character development but I don't like how that's all the story was and we were basically just third wheeling a love story in a shooter game

[@Brrrstrument]

@@matthewwiles1974 I wish the vex net played an actual part in the story, sure they added a vex net activity that mighta been fun, but it had no relation to the story, honestly felt like something from splicer or lightfall that they forgot about and included it in echoes as a little secret, it was fun, and the part where maya was giving us secret coordinates, but we never did anything meaningful in the activity. Despite it's flaws though, echoes felt like it had way better activities, but revenant has a better theme and feel, with a better direction of story, a much better approach to that story, whilst echoes did have good story, but for some reason pushed a relationship narrative for maya and chioma and osiris and saint, to be honest these should have been resolved long ago, as for maya and chioma, wasn't much to it and so it wasn't bad, but it seemed stupid and silly that maya would talk so much about a new golden age, and then focus all of her efforts on getting chioma back first, and then she's mega pissed off when her chioma lab is broken, and she escapes, with all the freedom to continue in her efforts to get chioma and to achieve a golden age, the most meaningful thing that happened all episode was finding out that the conductor was maya, but honestly though, I forgot WHY we were stopping her, bungie never explicitly said what she planned to do with vex, subsume us into them? Either way, lots of potential but too much relationship narrative. Someone might say that no one hated on haunted, but haunted had zavala and safiyah, but that was one of many character's stories during that season, it was significant back then, but so was crow and uldren, so was caiatl and (i think) ghaul.

[@bacon-237]

I personally feel more threatened by the possibility of Fikrul turning all the fallen in the last city into scorn is more of a threat than what echoes brought to the table

[@Wolfyon0617]

This, last season was just yet another arrogant prick, thinking they know what's best for everyone for like the 5th time This time the friends we've earned over the last few years are at risk dying to a "villain" who actually has an impact in the story

[@jerisj.8971]

"This is my first mission as hunter vanguard, i dont want to have a bloodbath..." Fikrul: "Are you sure about that?" 👀👄👀

[@williammortensen9170]

@@jerisj.8971 That combo of emojis is priceless

[@johngancarcik5682]

​@@williammortensen9170😂😂😂😂😂 I'm dead

[@elmerninis]

​@@johngancarcik5682like the scorn?

[@johngancarcik5682]

@elmerninis which ones the old or new?

[@PeanutButterGyrfalcon]

The eyes 😂😂

[@riskrunner4532]

I'm super curious how the timegated version of this episode was because Act 1's complete drop was like 14 steps that can be completed in an hour or less, really makes me wonder how they planned on stretching that all out in a month.

[@riskrunner4532]

Like Mr Fantastic or Plastic Man couldn't stretch that thin lmao/j

[@GamerPete101]

Lots of “Complete rounds of Onslaught: Salvation” steps probably.

[@mrsmi1ey]

Yep, as GamerPete101 said, there would be lots of "play the game to play the game" types of steps - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I would happily go back to the weekly model to give me something to look forward to each week, the same way I prefer TV shows to be released each week instead of all at once.

[@albertga0810]

Probably an onslaught run, minor field work, major field work and that's it and get a bit of story at the end. Rinse and repeat for a few weeks.

[@albertbenejan9309]

@@mrsmi1eyI’m guessing you eat paste and breathe with your mouth open? Then that “story” format was made just for people like you. This new format is miles above echoes and older seasons. Now we just have to see what they’ll do going forward

[@kyanballet2960]

love the differnce between old scorn and revenant scorn. old have their eyes coverd while revenant dont showing that the important difference between them is one is born of dead and the other born from live

[@mauricegreen5321]

But they do same shit

[@kyanballet2960]

@@mauricegreen5321 true but hopefully they actually do evolve gameplay wise this time (probably not)

[@iamboringvideos6832]

​@@mauricegreen5321but how there created are different, also lore

[@elseggs6504]

​@@iamboringvideos6832*they're Lore or not, they look pretty much the same and behave the same is what he's sayingjust like House of Dusk and Salvation more or less playing the same

[@iamboringvideos6832]

@@elseggs6504 not look the same but k

[@grombagel8480]

The helm ACTUALLYA being present within the tower, is already miles about the "Nessus is changing" from last season. And honestly thode filler quest steps of "get solar kills within activity to calibrate the data" were always so annoying because ive been giving you solar kills for 10+ years now, HOW DO YOU NEED MORE DATA?? They were complete immersion breakers where as yes this act was short but i was invested in the story thr entire timr, and it felt as though we were actuslly going somewhere.

[@kyeda]

Good, now you get literally nothing more for a month and a half. Then you'll get another 30 minutes. And another month and a half.

[@elmerninis]

😂😂😂

[@AlvaDeezy]

@@kyedaQuality over quantity.

[@starkraven1148]

Yeah I did find it odd to use that as a story and not actually change Nessus. What makes it worse is the new inverted spire doesn’t change that part either. It’s still the only Nessus. I will say I do like the updated strike, it’s better than the lake of shadows changes.

[@nut311aman]

@@kyeda is that supposed to be a problem? Since I got that stuff out the way, I can move on to other things for the time being until the next act lol

[@alicegotlost8369]

A side note: The spacing of events is quite long. This is just a rearrangement. Think about it. Day 1 of the act, you do the story, have new weapons and a new activity. You play through it all and grind the uncraftable weapons for the first few weeks. Soon, we have festival of the lost which although can get old very fast - still its something to do. Between that, we have a dungeon with a full suite of weapons, armour, and an exotic to grind for. Gms launch in a month or so too. Then act two launches, new story, new weapons, then we likely get the new activity to give us something to do for abit. Iron banner with some hot new weapons will be around for a couple weeks, the dawning around Christmas. Then act 3 finale story, a rumuored exotic mission, and a few more weapons. We also have garden weapons craftable. The raid isnt that exciting, but its still worth running each week for a few. Aslong as the story keeps coming as good as this, we'll be fine.

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

That's.... Actually a good plan on paper to keep player retention. However that'll depend upon what new things occur for Festival, Dawning and Iron Banner.

[@jenarickman9215]

There is confirmation of an exotic mission ij game because one of the tonic ingredients states that its from an exotic mission

[@DigiThorn]

Fikrul’s got some strong personal feelings about you if your playing a character that’s been through forsaken

[@Silencersix]

Spoilers: First day on the job and Crow already lost the H.E.L.M😭 His ass is getting fired 💀

[@Acknowledge24]

@@Silencersix 🤣🤣

[@Acknowledge24]

Too much paperwork?

[@Machosause]

Got hired when the staff drama is at peak

[@aljazslemc9569]

Nah, if he were a titan or a warlock, then maybe. Hunters... we know how to make ourselves scarce😛

[@jacobkern2060]

Nah, he won't be fired. You *never* get rid of the Hunter Vanguard outside of final deaths, much less one that actually volunteered

[@falrexion7709]

Currently, I'm a fan of the change. I'm interested to see how I feel once we've had a few weeks and gotten act 2, but the reduction in busy work makes it feel like I'm choosing to play the game much more than logging in and following a checklist. Maybe it's because I really like onslaught, but so far this is much more preferable for my play style than the old system

[@ianfab79]

It being shorter does make playing all 3 characters a bit easier. Now i actually have time to spread the love around and not only focus on one character.

[@Pants207]

did you have to play it on your computer their characters? i switched characters and the helm was already crashed and i didn’t have to do the missions again. i only had to donut once in n my hunter for all my characters to be at the same spot

[@ianfab79]

@@Pants207 I haven't even looked at my other characters, I was just looking to the future. That's interesting if that's the case though.

[@kramersolinsky5841]

At least we're actually aware who the villain is during the first act. I know we all knew it was Maya in Echoes, but that's only because we're lore gremlins. Without having out-of-game lore content Echoes felt like it missed the mark because the actual story and tension didn't feel present until act 3 and it lasted for like... a minute? We finally confronted Maya and we just kind of nova bombed her in the face and called it a day.

[@SilverCyric]

I liked the pacing, mysterious enemy introduced in Act 1, identity revealed in killer cut scene end of Act 2, and tie up the story in Act 3, with option to leave it open for more story with a reoccurring villain.

[@DrStunJosh]

I think expectations were that we’d get missions similar to old DLCs and a lot of players either don’t know or forgot how menial those also were. The reduction of busy work is good, in my honest opinion, but it does feel like the Onslaught and fieldwork should’ve been part of the pacing of the Act mission and not ENTIRELY separately mission-lines. This is also just the first few days; there might be some padding lacking, but I think the story being set up is fit a lot faster than in Echoes

[@Froggy618157725]

To me it felt like there were missing connective bits. Particularly the beginning. The Helm crashes, presumably on Europa, and then it's on the wall in the last city. It was pretty jarring. I would've appreciated them having you do the specific onslaughts with some story time in. I wasn't even sure at what point you would've been expected to engage with it. Feels like they cut parts out, as opposed to designing it to be all at once.

[@submachinegun5737]

Yeah it feels like they went from all padding to no padding, which just made the bouncing from random event to random event have zero time to have any impact or explain anything better before the next thing happens. Seems like some dialogue was probably cut that would have been present in the filler content, to give more background context, but guess that’s just the price of readapting the content on such short notice.

[@caffinatedredpanda9964]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="647">10:47</a> If cpt Jacobson and the batadactyls had died, Failsafe would have found a way to take over rasputins defunked network and would absolutely OBLITERATE Fikrul.

[@SoraRyuuKamii]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="672">11:12</a> if you go up to the abomination behind fikrul, he slams you back like a bouncer at a club

[@jackryan5880]

Went up to inspect him and he said "watch yo tone 🫱"

[@FlipFlob13]

It’s possible that the initial first act is a shorter starting and the meat of the episode covers acts 2 and 3. That’s based of pure conjecture but in the grand scheme of things these week to week content drops weren’t that long to begin with.

[@alecschilling2691]

I hope this is right

[@TsukiMiIk]

We're not just getting onslaught they're most likely bringing back prison of elders renamed as tomb of elders. As they said they're bringing back a fan favorite activity from d1

[@touchofmalice2617]

At some point I’d love to see Bungie expand the types of things we can buy with glimmer and make the last city a fully traversable area, player/clan owned housing maybe, possibly a player driven trading black market featuring drifter as a mediator, those sorts of things that would make it feel a lot more like an MMO.

[@ArcherJLady]

Something I feel is worthy of note: This is the first season in a long time where I'm taking all 3 of my characters through the story, because it actually feels worth my time to do so

[@leviwins]

Except you can't lol

[@josephsmith2417]

@levi… why not? I have done two already.

[@Mispehled]

I have an idea on how to balance theses story beats that people are complaining it’s too short or too long. Have the story update come at a pace that makes sense. For example, the Helm crashing could have sparked some side content and taken a week because I’m sure transporting and recovering what they did didn’t take that short of a time. We could have been sent to collect pieces of the ship and returning them to the Last City from Europa(where the helm crashed). That would solve that microarc of the story and give a good pacing. The other story arcs of us doing all that tonic stuff could take the guardian an hour like it did this week. Make the story beats line up like this and bungie would have the players engaged with the story and it would feel like the timeline makes sense. This is just all an idea so don’t come with “but the game designers and servers and blah blah blah” or “but what if this, what if that”. Just an idea

[@DarleyQuinn]

Im probably the only one out there saying this: I didn't feel burned out by seasonal model. At all. But if this is new story format, I feel like they should do it a bit longer, now that the fillers are out of the picture.

[@IceSki117]

I come from a background of Warframe with DE and actually prefer getting an entire update at once, even if it's smaller. It lets me chug through the interesting content and move on to other new content in other games until more arrives.

[@frostwendigo7646]

That's Bungie's problem though: they don't *want* you moving on to other new content in other games, so they bloat their content with hours and hours of filler in-between the actual narrative to keep you stuck in theirs. Add the endless power treadmill on top of that, and then the loot chase, and you practically have to play 20 hours a week just to keep up.

[@daltonporter7876]

Definitely getting a Taniks Variant I feel, also if mithrax dies with Nezarecks darkness riddled sludge still in him and the gets revived by a ghost, does that recreate the conditions of Nezzies rebirth from RON?

[@IoskaNe]

I was expecting Act 1, 2 and 3 to all be released on day 1. I read Bungie's news incorrectly.

[@dredgen0268]

Bungie: “here’s what yall wanted-enjoy it you ungrateful SOBs”.

[@cryptyyy_7667]

When I read that we would get all of the content of act 1 from the start on, I asssumed that would include the tedious "go to the helm, go do this mission, go to the helm, talk to person x" part, meaning that the content would still take up a couple hours. I was done with act 1 in 40 minutes...????

[@redcrab6965]

I really liked the new social space but i wish it was a bit larger... i also wish there was a little landing pad on the water that our jumpship would sit on so we could actually walk around and look at it up close other than the thing you can do in the tower hanger

[@Vuldovyol4912]

Please PLEASE cover the bits we get from the new Lorebook. Its chock full of Riis lore and it genuinely blew my mind that we got references to Riis' history, politics, and more. Just from the first entry alone we get some cool shit

[@aaron_ow]

The story is pulling me in a bit more than Echoes, but that's about it. The tonic system is a cool concept, but I don't see myself utilising the system outside of completing quests/triumphs. If there wasn't a Dungeon release around the corner then I'd be a bit more concerned.

[@emperorholocron8278]

One thing I don’t get about Revenant’s story is how Miisraxx is suddenly DYING?? 😭 Like I have no idea why they’re bringing back Savathûn’s Curse of Nezarec back NOW? Like he used the reliquaries centuries ago and he performed the convergence to wake up Osiris 2 YEARS AGO? Like he was ok all the way through Final Shape? Why’s he suddenly dying now?

[@emperorgrimlock7054]

I like to think the curse was slowly eating at him like cancer and it just went full force after Nezarec’s second death.

[@Silencersix]

His health has been slowly getting worse as time goes on in the lore, but we haven’t seen it in-game until now

[@dropkick3024]

The curse is slowly eating away at him. Very slowly because Nezerec enjoys pain. In a lore card it was sudle but he mentions that his arm has been feeling num lately

[@aethony]

his health has been deteriorating in the lore for some time, after nezarec's death on the witness' pyramid one could assume he found a new "place" to "grow" from again, that being mithrax

[@johngancarcik5682]

Read the lore it's mentioned in there many times

[@Arindam1262]

The biggest problem I have is with the tonic system. It was touted as a way to mitigate the RNG of not having the seasonal weapons be craftable, but to me it's just been an RNG grindfest I have to do before I can pick *which* RNG grindfest I want to do. Because you have to make a bunch of tonics to unlock the next level of tonic, which for the weapons is the more specific versions of them But they unlock in a random order. You have no input into which you unlock when. I'm really excited about the 120 handcannon, but I can't try to focus for that one yet, I can only focus the heavy GL, which I just do not care about. It's very frustrating.

[@blackbeltgamer98fire-spitt96]

I can see the ‘filler’ being the Tonics system since gathering more ingredients and recipes as they release and working through the various missions of fighting the Scorn and freeing their captives is the objective. My hope with this is we get to talk to Crow, Eido, Variks, Spider, Mithrax and Eremis(?) as things progress as this is about them and learning forgotten knowledge takes a long time because you are, in essence, re-inventing things based on very little, if any, information.

[@elitemichael350]

Love this season. I can hop on and get my Destiny fill, be caught up and then take time to play something else without being so far behind that the seasonal grind doesn’t feel worth it. 11/10

[@justcallmeness]

This! I have so much else to do in my life that it's refreshing to be able to knock out the content and keep on moving.

[@midgetmasher166]

i for one welcome it. shadowkeep and beyond light's campaigns were some of the most mind numbing experiences i've had in destiny, and that is due in large part due to the filler.

[@Witch_King_Ken]

I like this episode much more than echoes because it feels like bungie is moving the story forward by giving us resolution to old plots. A solution to the less content could be to pad it with lore tabs. On top of further expanding the story it can breathe mystery back into the story.

[@NewtypeSeiji]

I think another really cool detail about this first act was the final mission being called "Something Left to Say" as a callback to the final mission of Forsaken, "Nothing Left to Say"

[@RealAnimeBadGuy]

When Fikrul got onto the Helm I had the “Nowhere is safe” vibe, first The Witness goes into our power source and takes root, corrupts it and then now we have Fikrul on our helm destroying our helm! Such good vibes

[@Waking_Giant]

I think that when people say they want the busy work cut out, the underlying idea is that something of substance should be added to fill that time. If this episode had been 3-4 hours of quest steps with compelling story beats and interesting action it would have been received much better. That said, the thin story here is already more interesting than the entirety of echoes was, at least to me.

[@Asturjgm]

I know it may be stupid but the "little" detail in the first cutscene of Failsafe saving our asses by taking remote control and performing an emergency landing was a cool touch instead of the "one and done" we had for other seasonal storylines and characters which felt like once they were used they went back in the drawer until their contribution was briefly acknowledged in the subsequent big expansion. It gives a sense of continuity outside of lore tabs that I see as a step in the right direction.

[@Strimtom]

I think the only take away for me is that we didn't save that many eliksni during the main campaign if you simply go story quest to story quest. It would have been better imo to have a couple of "Go run an onslaught or two" type steps in between, as it would make it feel like there is more and add more of our rescuing into the story. I finished the campaign and then ran onslaught for like 4 hours after since I find it really fun, but having a few trips, or maybe just requiring one onslaught on each map so you get a feel for it, would have helped at lot of people.

[@submachinegun5737]

Loved that mission with crow confronting the fanatic, staring at a scorn the whole time and once the dialogue was over instantly blasting it in the face. But afterwards I was pissed that crow didn’t even try to be subtle, to use fikrul’s trust in him to slowly calm the conflict and get him to maybe even give up the echo willingly, instead he just throws it all away with his self righteousness. Its character accurate, crow is definitely no savathun, but man crow you had a bad first day on the job buddy.

[@Coff33Drink3r02]

Currently rn I think the story has set itself up with very very high stakes. Fikrul is showing he is a child with a god level threat to the eliksni, going after the remains of house salvation, going onto the HELM mithrax is on his death bed. Who knows what's gonna really happen here, so much is set up to happen in the next two acts I'm genuinely hyped.

[@Ryanjedi]

This pacing is so much better and it brings played back at the start of each act. Each act there is a content drop rather than just coming back for a week to see what is going on and being bored. I like this format much much better and I don’t think that each content drop needs to keep players engaged for the entire act

[@DXSwanton]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="625">10:25</a> that was the first thing I checked when I went back to the crashed "H.E.L.M": "oh my GOD thank goodness the frog and batadactyls are okay" 😂

[@JDefends]

I actually have a lot of hope for their outlined plans based on what was delivered yesterday. I want to make a longer video regarding olayer relationships to destiny how they affect feedback, but this is an important first step to developing a healthier relationship to destiny overall - from player to dev, from destiny to player, overall just the proper next step, regardless of how much it may initially hurt.

[@Ventus777777]

I think if Mithrax becomes an Eliksni Guardian, he would keep his memories. The excuse could be that its because of the mixing of light and dark in the traveller changing how risen "work". Becoming a guardian and kell of kells is where his story has been going tbh.

[@resonantmoonaudio]

I'm excited to see Eido take a bigger role. Her working with Variks and Eramis to uncover ancient tonics is really cool. Can't wait to see where it goes!

[@Eivion]

Act 1 felt short to me, but there was plenty of story and set up for what is to (hopefully) come in the next two Acts. I thought this had a much stronger start than Echoes with the fall of the Helm, Fikrul taking over an entire Eliksni ship with ease, and the new Last City social space. So happy we are finally seeing more of the City and hope they just grow the space (and city) out instead of keeping contained to the Episode.

[@asteriodboss1377]

I enjoyed the first act of Revenant more than the entirety of Echoes. Being able to do all the content at once was very refreshing because it did not feel time consuming and the story beats came quicker and flowed a bit better.

[@ToastyBits]

I'm honestly enjoying this much more than how it was before. It felt short, but it was all great. The theme and the story so far makes me excited for the grind. I love the tonic system and just love the idea of being what is essentially a vampire slayer. It reminds me of when we were basically playing a witch's assistent in Season of the Witch, which I also enjoyed.

[@EliteBlackSash]

Onslaught was all I played last season anyway, so, I can’t complain too much. Prisoner of Elders possibly returning also, when I went back to play D1.. the first thing I played was Prisoners of Elders. The seasonal guns look pretty good so far too. More of the same for me. Pretty sad we didn’t get an actual mission to go hunt as Scorn “Vampire” though, like the old Nightmare Hunts on steroids. They have their hint for what to do with “D3” though… because all the greatest moments in Destiny “Cut Scene” History involve SPACE lol… Mara’s “death” to Oryx… Rasputin’s “Sacrifice”…. The Leviathan swallowing a planet… The Travelers Awakening… now Fikrul’s Assassins Creed Black Flag moment ramming The HELM lol… The conversations in that 1 hour of content were better than all the content of last “season” put together. Covered so many plot lines at once.. Mythrax and Nezarec’s shadow / poison… Edo are the rising leader… Eramis is like a new world chief out of Horizon Zero Dawn… Crow actually owning his role… oh yes… Nazarec / Nightmares / Scorn Undead Vampires… I hope they nail the next 2 acts…….

[@AkamuSlayer]

This just shows exactly how much actual content Bungie is capable of producing in a season. When you strip out all of the time wasting like "run the seasonal activity 107 times" and "wait 2 weeks for Crumbleshanks to vasiliphize the tangentiator" there's barely enough to fill an afternoon. I wouldn't call it bad value, because at the end of the day we pay $10 for a season, but man, there's really just so little to keep people playing now.

[@zacharybecker8228]

people can finally realize how empty and drip fed seasons are and have been for years

[@Luka_Drifts]

To me, this was the best a season/ episode has ever been. I really love the theme and getting so much at once felt juicy and not like the stale usual stuff we got.

[@genericcrab7206]

Fikrul is causing a vampire apocalypse and has created an alliance with the shadow legion, so he automatically poses a large threat. He also in the first mission destroyed the helm, which actually scared me because I didn't expect it. All Maya Did was yap.

[@bradleyrg12]

My big issue rn is the immersion when you go from talking to Eido to going over and watching a voice call from her as shes right next to you. Like the characters feel very staticy and this is something that wont change until bungie improves technologically

[@laurentleplat333]

I’m truly impressed that we can have a conversation with Eramis without a single reference about the Witness’ death.

[@Maverick4774]

Overall like how this episode is going so far. Just have two main critiques for it, one would be that I would have loved to see the HELM actually crash, not just assume it did, and i would have been cool if it crashed at one of the new Onslaught locations like Widows Court, where we would immediately go into a 10 wave story version of Onslaught where we need to rescue Eliksni that had been captured from the Ketch and protect Eramis until help arrives to extract everyone. The other critique is that Act 1 just kinda ends with no story reason as to why there's a break. It doesn't need to be anything crazy, just something like hey go we've got reports of Eliksni getting captured across the system go try to rescue them and search for clues about where Fikrul's base is. Would have been good enough.

[@benkellwick2078]

For what it's worth, the text in game refers to the Tomb of Elders (basically PoE right?) and we are getting an exotic mission. It's the same amount of activities split over the same time frame with the dungeon replacing the hidden mission. That being said, I much prefer this 3 week and would prefer the whole story dumped at once with the activities spread out in the episode format

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I’m curious as to what the implications this episode will be. Who will be the Kell of Kells? Will it be Eido, Eramis, or Mithrax? What will happen to the Revenant Scorn and Fikrul? What does the curse mean for Nezarec possibly returning? But what I’m most curious about is, the big picture. There seems to be three Echos in total. While these three, and Savathun, are building up to be big enemies that will challenge us on an even playing field, and won’t be killed and we’ll “save the day” so soon, I am curious. When we finally kill them years later, what will we do with the Echoes if we claim them? Power can corrupt, but we could also use them to revuikd the City, and reclaim Sol for humanity and our allies that call it home. The way I see it, Bungie will eventually rap if the stories of these old foes. And when we’ve whipped them off the board, new one will take their place. The question is, will it be our adversaries, or the Coalition that claims Sol and fills the power vacuum?

[@elijahcolon8147]

As a solo player who waits towards the end of the season/episode to knock it out all in one binge, this makes it more convenient.

[@WeissM89]

Honestly, this is much worse than what I imagined. All the people who complained about time gating could have simply played something else and then rushed through the content as they pleased when all content was available. Without the filler content, I completed the act *by mistake* in a session despite having decided to spread the content throughout the coming weeks, all because there were no "run the seasonal activity and come back" quest steps, and was simply waiting to for the game to tell me to go do some activities. As usual, the people who don't want to play the game get what they wanted (and they'll keep whining anyway because they in fact don't like Destiny), while the people who actually enjoy it get screwed.

[@thetismo9055]

I didnt even realize that we had all of act 1 dropped right there. I was so hooked by the set up of the episode that enjoyed it way more then anything we did in Echoes. I dont have a lot of time to enjoy Destiny anymore so im kind of looking forward to seeing how all this plays out.

[@tysonkrunek8557]

That we can do it in a week and the story moved meaningfully. Was great and that the “weekly grind” was basically hidden in the fieldwork. It feels good aside from having to relevel rahool at the start of the season. Stasis Hunters go use Foetracer for a while. You want a really good analogy to changes in Destiny 2? Compare it to steering a large ship with its own momentum carrying it forward with a square mouth shovel or a large wooden spoon. Fikrul was on a ketch since Warlords Ruin released.

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

If nothing else, the hellraiser-inspired season pass ornaments and the really cool Vampire Hunter D/Bloodborne seasonal armor sets are great. Art team knows what they're doing.

[@zetamangads]

A lot people tend to forget that this is not the whole episode it just the first act. Men people forget that the previous season were stretched out because of the weekly release, and now that their are releasing all at once for the first time and they still bitch about it. Again it an experiment, is it executed well no but i can tell this is just a first for Bungie, Seasonal format got old because they way it was structured.

[@dylanmiller1140]

People getting exactly what they asked for and still complaining as always. Just annoying. Happy to have the steps like “get 15 scorn kills in Savathuns Throne World to calibrate data” gone but definitely could have used more of the “go play onslaught” missions with supplemental dialogue. A lot of character work has been done through in mission dialogue, and for me personally in enjoyable in activities like this Onslaught because running it over and over to save more Eliksni feels fun. There’s a goal that needs to be accomplished and doing the activity feels like part of moving that needle

[@emperorgrimlock7054]

I would like to remind people that when they decided to not time gate this episode it was already halfway done so you shouldn’t have had large expectations when this happened. While some will say the story is bad I disagree and say it suffers from bad pacing. Being toxic will not make the game better

[@ZachFL]

Keep in mind, though, blinding praising does just as much damage as blind toxicity. This was a good stepping stone but it needs to be better and the way it gets better is by players voicing their feedback. Not all of it is going to be amazing comments it's going to require critical opinions.

[@KnightofArcadia]

One of my bigger complaints around Revenant, is that you can do the main story before the prologue which can really throw the bit of immersion you get out the window. That and I remember Eido talking about how I had gone out to save eliksni already...when I hadn't even left the area since first arriving...that was a little off putting. Seeing the Helm go down though, after all that time I put into fixing it up and putting those specimens in! And endangering Captain Jacobson!!! FIKRUL WILL PAY!!

[@lucasbosier6808]

I really hope this doesn’t end the same way echos did, the villain gets away with the echo and besides a fully upgraded helm (but since it crashed now city district) we walk away without the echo. Also a side tangent how come we can track the trajectory of all these echos and have a bit of data on them but we can never can seize them?

[@Noblesix84]

So far my only complaint is with the HELM. Not that its more or less gone, but that they couldn't find a place for it, so they just stuck it in an emtpy cube.

[@Loonfuzzy]

I definitely hate how short act 1 was, but honestly I'm still enjoying absolutely everything else because I think the story is definitely more interesting despite shortness, and onslaught is really fun

[@matheuszanlorenzi6076]

I think Bungie lost the opportunity to make a mission after the HELM crashes down on Europa like we battling the hordes of enemies while trying to rescue Eramis and Crow or something, that cut after the HELM crash was rather abrupt

[@BeowulfTheBountyHunter]

The Market District is honestly the best thing about this episode.

[@TheSnowDevil]

With the traveler being infused with darkness and being what it currently is, is it really safe to say that if a new guardian of any kind wouldn't have their memories anymore upon first resurrection? I might be cool to see how that would work considering that the traveler is no longer just the light.

[@shawnphillips4941]

Honestly, this hour or two of content has been far more immersive for me than anything else I’ve played in the game. The Final Shape was awesome, but it also felt long and drawn out. Echoes had a great story, but the timegating and filler made it hard to play consistently. I feel invested into the eliksni from this though.

[@twiz66]

Byf: "I mean, you can't just wave a magic wand and create more content out of less content..." Lightfall: >_>

[@danieldragotti2608]

And how well did that go ?

[@westhorpelane]

Your assessment of the season is very generous. I like the story line, where it is headed, and the beginning cut scene was amazing. But I don't believe there was as much playable content, I wish for a replayable battleground activity on the tangled shore. I dont feel Onslaught should count as a story mission. I'm happy with the upgrades they made to Onslaught, but it doesn't fit. We still have the dungeon, and 2 more acts. I am excited for what's coming, but I'm disappointed.

[@quubey_]

The opening to this ep is the best we’ve had right into the action and the big bad starts shit right off rip, it does feel like a short first act tho

[@chasebenson8162]

I’m a lot more excited about the story this time around than I was for Echoes, im appreciating the shift away from the helm but I’m a little worried that the city is just gonna end up becoming the new permanent space that fills that gap, rather than new areas that are appropriate for the current episode. I guess my only real complaint right now is that I’d like to see the rest of it. Undoubtedly there’s gonna be cool stuff happening in the dungeon and I haven’t gotten far enough into the field orders to see anything interesting yet.

[@lainkey]

My main issue is the fact its still divided into acts which just continues to mess with the pacing. Its nice to get more stuff upfront, but having to now wait 40 days for the story to continue really sucks lmao

[@Fouwl]

I think people forget we’re only paying 10-15 dollars for 4 months of content

[@mrspunisher6467]

It saddens me that it didn’t make me want to play anymore,I probably won’t play anymore after being here from d1 day 1 it’s been a big part of my life,I miss it but just to much of the same just tweeked a bit,but I will still watch your content no matter what you cover.

[@thatboyAidan]

I'd prefer the full episodic content to be released from day one rather than just each act but its a start. Also keeping at this pace to the current season without much filler and still valuing my time. I love this game but I don't have even a smidge of time to grind everything I need. Filler and drip fed content is something I have loathed for a long time, so I'm praying it finally gets put to bed starting with frontiers.

[@RuseVeil]

Byf: "here are the spoilers..." Ad: "...For great fuller hair use..."

[@fabianopuma9058]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="445">7:25</a> off-topic Watching this again from your perspective made me realize that cutscenes somehow happen in social spaces, these obey your conf about having your helmet on or out in social spaces I though that we all prayed to the traveler without our helmet but no, it was just me bcs i had that thing to take out helmet in social spaces

[@GetGwapThisYear]

I’m not even sure it comes down to the pace or amount of content, but more so its depth and development. At least in my opinion. If each season or episode was telling compelling stories, or telling them in a compelling way, it might be different, but it feels very superficial and diluted to me. As a comparison, Season of the Deep felt really well delivered to me, although the deep dives got repetitive week after week, but the storytelling was solid. I don’t think we’ve had any other season that strong, before or since.

[@nightshadexl242]

There’s two very important eliksni who would fit in but is strangely absent from the story here….Rhandal…Rhandal the vandall, bane of D1 patrols and Skolas albeit returned as scorn, this also a good time to revisit Kaliks (who has ties with Fikrul) just my opinion

[@Fenyxclips]

What Rhandal return and dome Fikrul before taking the Echo for himself.

[@moonlitmortician6694]

Kinda disappointed the new Scorn weren't like actual Vampires, drinking Ether from Eliksni and turning them into more Scorn and all that.

[@zacharybecker8228]

I do think 1 more mission at least 1 from spider would have made this first part feel better especially when they r still drip feeding the acts(40 days btw until act 2). Maybe another mission might pop up after the dungeon completes(copium). But honestly yes they dont put enough content into the seasons

[@shaynna99_1]

I’ve come to the point that no matter what, people are going to complain. Yes,they released a minimal amount, but there’s more to come. The vibe is awesome, the new aesthetic is cool and I don’t care about reskins, the weapons look cool. As a gaming artist, I really wish people understood the time is takes to make this kind of stuff. I spend anywhere from 20-40 plus hours just on one area in a landscape, I can’t imagine the amount of hours Bungie puts in to make all of this. Let the story flow and allow them to experiment with things. Ultimately, if you don’t like it, no one of forcing you to play.

[@N008Nightmare]

Im in a weird spot on this, personally. Long story short, my big complaint is that i didnt feel like i got enough. Which, to be fair, means i like what's there. But i said it during echoes, im saying it now, and ill probably say again during heresy, 3 hours of story is not enough for 4 months. Echoes was the least d2 ive played in a long time, and a big part of that is that the story felt very brief. If echoes was supposed to be a book and each act a chapter, then it was a 1 page book because each act felt like it was a paragraph long. While im glad to see them focusing on cutting out busy work, it does make what was already brief feel like a synopsis. Destiny 2 Episode 2: Revenant Abridged, if you will.

[@fabianopuma9058]

The narrative felt really good at the start but paying it without filler felt like ass Other thing about this is that we have fikrul, eramis, crow, spider and mithrax with THAT thing and somehow all we've done is save some eliksni from a gambit map

[@3V1LY33N]

I liked the first part of revenant, but it did feel really short to me i would've liked to do more maybe as well as helping house of salvation we could've gone to nessus and earth to help house of dusk

[@sithLinkGaming]

I think this is going to be great if they take all the space they use for filler and stick actual flushed out story in it this kind of seems like a rushed event but the prelude to that

[@severex9851]

I would like to see all destinations earth, moon ect. Have difficulty settings and the ability to play old story missions with said settings..

[@MrFrog4Prez]

Onslaught is infinitely better than whatever half-baked "activity" Breach Executable was. I don't mind it being the only activity for a bit, just because it's so replayable and fresh with the new maps and gear to chase.

[@Crowseph]

I found the dialogue extremely jarring initially, like the way mithrax and eido spoke after completing a couple steps sounded like it was supposed to be after we'd played a few rounds of onslaught but I heard it before starting any activities at all, made for a very strange narrative experience

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

That is probably because originally you were supposed to do a bunch of onslaught runs as weekly steps.