MYRIAM PINCEN - Advice for MEN about the códigos (+ history) of Buenos Aires traditional milongas

[@LeftFootRightFootTango]

This is such a great interview with so much depth and insight on crucial issues with Tango today. Thank you for hosting this conversation and amazing perspectives by Myriam.

[@ludmilaivanova1603]

@ 30:51 this the way they do in North America and this is not only in Tango. Self Expression is everything, no matter the rules. @ 37:26 there is not only Tango that is superficial today... Thank you for the video, very interesting!

[@CW-om2qq]

It was another time, place and culture - now it's spread throughout the world and home cultures interpret these social rules differently rather than appropriating them from BA. When in BA, do as in BA, but elsewhere it's different. Why make a mockery of cabeceo by walking over and grimacing when the whole environment is non-conducive? The overall lesson is 'respect', as appropriate to the culture of the venue.

[@M4Z4F5]

Yes, but the knowledge about the códigos is going lost. People from outside come to BA don't know nothing about the códigos, except maybe the cabceo-mirada. And even young people from BA doesn't know how to dance in the ronda, but go dancing to places in BA, where the ronda is standard and disturb the others. Sí, pero el conocimiento sobre los códigos se está perdiendo. La gente que viene de afuera a BA no sabe nada de los códigos, excepto tal vez el cabceo-mirada. E incluso los jovenes de BA no saben bailar en la ronda, pero van a bailar a lugares en BA, donde la ronda es estandar y molestar a los demás

[@CW-om2qq]

​​​@@M4Z4F5I agree. It's good to have a record. But those times have passed - except for those who wish to preserve some adjusted/evolved remnant. As you note, even in BA. Those strict rules no longer work, except in some poor copy of that environment. Our 'party' lighting, numbers participating, social codes (no segregated seating), dating apps, female-empowerment, dress codes, sanitation, and many other factors have changed that. It's like trying to lIve in the 1950s/60s in a Mad Men stage set. Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.(Dr Seuss) But keep on with the respect even if the rules are evolving.

[@M4Z4F5]

@@CW-om2qq But this culture is still existing. In BA and in Europe in the encuentros milongueros. Would be respectful, as a foreigner, if you go o the 'traditional'milongas in BA and to adapt to the códigos there, instead of disturbing by ignorance. Pero esta cultura sigue existiendo. En BA y en Europa en los encuentros milongueros. Sería respetuoso, como extranjero, si vas a las milongas 'tradicionales' en Buenos Aires y te adaptas a los códigos de allí, en lugar de molestar por ignorancia.

[@CW-om2qq]

​@@M4Z4F5Yes, I realise it still exists in some places, especially BA. And some places try to copy that in their locale, even if it becomes a poor parody. But, overall, it's evolving. Instead of 'when in BA...', perhaps I should have used the Biblical reference: 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'. i.e. show respect to whatever the locals want to do (but visitors may get it wrong without help, so understand). The point is that, across the world, the dance meeting environment is infrequently as found in BA: female empowerment has arrived at last, dress codes have changed, 'courtesy' had moved on in terms of being 'respectful' in different cultures, couples go together and dance with others, one original motivation (hook-up) has gone, LGBTQ+ has spawned queer tango, females lead in some venues (shortage of male leaders). I totally agree that visitors should attempt to understand the customs in place where they visit. Equally, understand that some of BA, and much of the rest of the world, has evolved. There is no standard, authoritative, enforced, set of codigos - just info passed along. And many of us don't want to play, or can't play, the same game as depicted in BA. So yes, historical records like this are important. But overemphasis on these codigos is killing the interest of new, prospective, participants - even with an interest in the culture.