Mysterious Lloyd Barker Grave

This is the cemetery where Lloyd William Barker is buried.. He was one of the infamous outlaws on the Ma Barker Gang. He has quite a story to tell!
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[@carolinenorman8862]

That cemetery needs new owners . That is horrible those headstone are in bad condition and they should be held responsible for the head stones period and should replace them at their cost . And to make matters worse a flags on the ground is really bad . I'm so angry right now . Thank you for pointing out all of this . So much disrespect . 🥺

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'm hoping that the cemetery is just switching owners or management and that is the reason for seeing it this way. Thank you for watching.

[@dennischurgovich1904]

The City of Brighton operates the cemetery

[@lyndamello]

It’s sad because it’s a beautiful cemetery. Cemeteries need to respect our men and women of our military! They fought for our freedom so we can live free. I guess some of us are old school when it comes to the military.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Well I believe that everyone in that cemetery should be honored. This cemetery certainly has some neglect and could use some more care. I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my head around the trees being pulled out and not only knocking the markers over but damaging them and covering them up. Thank you for watching Lynda!

[@brendaholliday6866]

Rhett, this is simply "horrific" how sad that this cemetery, has become so neglected. You did an awesome job showing and explaining the various neglect of this cemetery, I hope that it's going to be repaired in the very near future. Rhett, please be careful when you do these types of shows, because we don't want you to injure yourself. Take care 🐎

[@RhettyforHistory]

I really try to be careful in cemeteries but this one was so dangerous it's a miracle I wasn't hurt. I hate to see cemeteries like this and this one was bad. I do hope they will care for it better and like I said I hope it's just because there was an ownership change. Thank you for watching Brenda!

[@yvonnepetty3400]

That is so sad Rhett. I would hate see any family graves like that. Thank you for all the good work you do. 😊🐘

[@RhettyforHistory]

You and me both. I saw so many graves damaged and I didn't show them all. I spent hours in that cemetery looking for Barker and trying to uncover graves that were swallowed up. I just didn't have enough time but I still wonder if he has a marker and it has sank in the ground. Thank you for watching!

[@YKorNL]

Oh wow.. I would be very pissed if something like that happened to the grave of my family member.

[@RhettyforHistory]

You and me both! I don't think I have ever seen that amount of damage in a cemetery before. I didn't hardly show much of it but it is in need of some extreme care. The new section where there are active burials is completely different. I guess they figured no one would be visiting the old section. Thank you for watching!

[@janisoconnor6881]

Thankyou for your care and concern Rhetty. I agree 100 percent.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you so much for watching Janis!

[@RedStingrayy]

Thanks so much for ur informative and fascinating presentations man really enjoy

[@RhettyforHistory]

Glad you like them them and I appreciate you watching!

[@lindsaymacpherson8782]

Love the story of Lloyd Barker and sad to see all the damage you found Great video even without finding him and the disrespect of the war graves annoys me very much Thankyou Rhetty for sharing

[@RhettyforHistory]

This cemetery is really in need of some extreme care in the old area. I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the damage from pulling the trees out. Thank you for watching!

[@allthebest744]

I hope they get this fixed. That would scare me if I was walking in a cemetery and the ground collapsed!

[@RhettyforHistory]

I do too. It really is a liability issue and a lawsuit waiting to happen. It needs quite a bit of care in these older sections in various ways. I sure would be upset omif I saw that happening to family members or friends graves. Thank you for watching.

[@TheGraveyardChannel]

Looking for gravesites can definitely be frustrating! And I must be so difficult to maintain some of these old cemeteries if they aren’t making money. It’s too bad that the local historic societies in every town around the country don’t do more. I bet there are a lot of cemetery lovers all of the country who would love to help maintain cemeteries if there were groups or organizations or clubs they could join to do it. Maybe there are and I just don’t know about it. Thanks for sharing this Rhetty!

[@RhettyforHistory]

It is difficult for some of these cemeteries to maintain the grounds. This one is still very much active. Perhaps they need to charge a little more I'm not sure. If I lived closer I would certainly do more in it. I uncovered about 4 graves and then partially uncovered 20 or so more. This cemetery was truly a mess in more than one way. I hated to make them look bad but I really didn't have to. There has to be a logical explanation for all of it but I hope it's just that the owners switched and the new ones are trying to get it in better shape. Thank you for watching Steve!

[@gwenb4531]

Thanks for pointing this out. I look forward to your video of the cemetery in Oklahoma to see if Lloyd is buried there.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching Gwen. Lloyd is certainly in this cemetery in Colorado. The little funeral home marker in Oklahomq is just a cenotaph at most. It's all very strange. I have to wonder if Lloyd has a marker in Elmwood but the ground has swallowed it up. I can't tell you how many I found like that. I spent about four hours in there.

[@gregsayre4700]

I really hate seeing cemeteries like this, we have one here in Louisville. Eastern Cemetery It contains about 16,000 graves but documentation for about 138,000 bodies. It was used as far back as 1844 for paupers graves. There is a documentary about it called Facing East, it may be on KZbin.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'll have to look for that on youtube. Thanks for watching and telling me about that. That is an absolutely humongous discrepancy on the total amount of graves.

[@victoriamercado202]

Awesome 👍 video,,love all these stories!!!!

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you so much for watching and I'm glad you are enjoying the stories!

[@mikalpechota770]

Interesting history. I work out in the industrial park in Fort Custer. My grandpa also was stationed here as well during WWII. When in HS we used to climb the old POW towers out in the fort.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Very interesting. Thank you for watching and sharing more about Fort Custer and your grandfather!

[@mikalpechota770]

If you ever get up to Michigan you will have to checkout Fort Custer National Cemetery. It’s beautiful. Especially the entrance with the 152 flags. Also there are German POW’s buried there.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Are those pow's separated? I'm just curious there is a cemetery here where the German and Italian POW's are separated by a wall that you have to use a ladder to step over in order to gain access.

[@mikalpechota770]

I’m not sure. I will have to check that out sometime and see. It’s sad my Grandpa isn’t buried out there. He got full military burial in southern michigan. We don’t have communications with that side of the family. Didnt even know my Grandparents passed due to my aunt and uncle. Pretty evil people.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That happens and I see that in many families if not all. Sometimes I don't understand it but it seems to be more common than we think.

[@maryclark1049]

I really hope they can bring this cemetery back to looking better kept. The dead are owed that much respect at least. Great Video as usual👍🏻

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you so much for watching Mary! It was sad seeing it like this and certainly seem disrespectful but it's also dangerous! I do hope they are starting improvements!

[@maryclark1049]

@@RhettyforHistory yes I very much agree👍🏻 Blessings🙏

[@swansfan6944]

Hey Rhetty 🤗 Waking up to one of your videos again, great way to start the day 😊 Hopefully the cemetery is in the middle of fixing the damage that has been done by taking the trees out. You would hope so, some of them are such a mess right now. It’s so disrespectful to the families, to not start cleaning it up straight away. Imagine if they turned up to place flowers 💐 there today. Maybe the cemetery informed them of what was going to take place. I’m very familiar with Ma Barker, and the Barker gang but did not no Lloyd died that way. Thank you Rhetty ❤️🇦🇺

[@RhettyforHistory]

I am certainly having a hard time grasping why it was in that state of condition. I would hate to see something like that on a family member or friend. Surely they will repair it but it sure seems that a better option would have been to move the markers first. Perhaps a tree company came in and did that without coordinating with the cemetery first. Definitely sad to see. Thank you for watching!

[@swansfan6944]

@@RhettyforHistoryI have never heard of a tree company doing that without authorisation from a cemetery first, but who knows. They could have broken those markers in pieces by not removing them first. From what I remember those graves were not old, so they would have family still visiting. Would be nice to know if they get fixed. I sure hope so.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Some of those markers were older in places and probably didn't have anyone around more than grandkids at best. It's possible the tree company was given authorization but started before they were supposed. If so that should be a lawsuit or a claim on that company's insurance. With the amount of dirt that was needed in places combined with markers being covered up it really says that there was neglect in the cemetery. I keep leaning towards the hope that some owners changed. Maybe management.

[@swansfan6944]

@@RhettyforHistory It really was horrible to see. I thought one of the headstones said 1993. I just went back and had look, it was 1894, doesn’t matter though. What are they going to do, just throw them in the bin, and hope nobody notices that graves use to be there?

[@RhettyforHistory]

It does make me wonder. If I was guessing some of them were like that in the cemetery for a couple months or more.

[@plymouthduster225]

Sad to see that those graves are like that. There's a old country cemetery outside of my town called Waterhole Cemetery. Years ago grandpa and I went down there on the tractor to get a bois arc tree off of some graves where it had fell after a bad storm. We used some heavy duty straps to set the markers back on the stands. Maybe that cemetery could do something like that with that grave by the tree stump. Another great video Rhetty. I don't know much about the Barker gang compared to John Dillinger or Pretty Boy Floyd and Bonnie and Clyde.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching and it is good to hear what you and your grandfather did. That is an interesting name for a cemetery too. Is it right by a creek? This cemetery could certainly use some help like that. It looked as thought these had been like this longer than a month. Some of the bark in places was turning colors even. I didn't shoe all the damage but some are so cracked from that they need additional repairs other than resetting. I uncovered so many markers in trying to find Lloyd. I have to wonder if he has a marker and it's just covered up. If I lived there I would do more but I spent hours in that cemetery. Just want enough time nor did I have the right equipment. I was just using a stick and hands.

[@plymouthduster225]

@@RhettyforHistory yes there's a creel nearby. It could circle around back behind the cemetery in the woods but I'm not sure on that. It's in a really wooded area. But you cross a bridge over a creek a little ways down the road from the cemetery.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Definitely sounds like an interesting cemetery.

[@blackjack5324]

It´s always an experience to follow you an your tours. Compared to other cemeteries it is in a relatively good shape. But there has to be done something. Interesting was also the German "Möller" grave, which has unfortunately fallen.

[@RhettyforHistory]

The cemetery is mowed and I could see that but sure needs a lot of extra care in this older part. I didn't show all of it in detail but there really is a lot. Thank you for watching.

[@KowboyUSA]

First time I lived here on the Yaak rivers I was a about half a mile down the mountain from Boyd Hill Cemetery aka Boot Hill. Was just a dirt trail up to a spot where the faint outline of graves were scattered among brush and trees back then. Noticed when I moved back many years later there's a FS sign and a gravel road there now. Once this thick smoke clears I should go take a look.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yeah that does sound like an interesting cemetery to explore. Thank you for watching!

[@bigghoss762]

Depending on the dates, a reason for so many Japanese people in the cemetery is that there was a Japanese internment camp in south east Colorado during WWII. Lots of American citizens of Japanese decent were forcibly relocated to Camp Amache near Granada, CO among other camps around the US from all over the west coast. That area is pretty sparsely populated though so it would make sense that those people, after being released, would move to the Denver area if they couldn't or didn't want to make it back to their old towns.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That is a good thought on this I appreciate you sharing a little more on this. After you mention this it would certainly be plausible to see that happening. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@whiterabbit-wo7hw]

Hey Rhett, that is really sad that those graves have been disturbed so badly. I hope that, if it has been bought, that they repair the damage as good as possible. This is a nice cemetery, though. Thank you for your concern and hopefully someone will see this and do something.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I hope so too and I'm hoping and wishing that maybe the cemetery just switched ownership or something. I just have not seen damage like that as well all the other neglect that is in the cemetery. I understand that it is costly but it does need to be done. As it stands it opens them up for lawsuits from family or injuries from those who visit. Thank you for watching my friend.

[@whiterabbit-wo7hw]

Oh yeah, lawsuits galore! It would be in their best interest to repair what they can now. Then gradually repair the simpler things later. I'm grateful that you didn't break your ankle or twist a knee. Be safe, bud.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Me too! In all the cemeteries I have ever been in I. Have never fell that deep. I hit something which scared me fora second. It could have been a rock. Certainly didn't seem deep enough to hit the crypt. But the ground was sunken in and in that area I stepped and sank about a foot further. It was really impossible to walk this cemetery without walking in the depressions.

[@whiterabbit-wo7hw]

@@RhettyforHistory I can't imagine what you felt when you sank that deep. Thankfully a hand didn't grab your foot. Lol. 🤤☠😱

[@RhettyforHistory]

My fear has always been that I would fall into a grave. Some of these old cemeteries depending on the age of the grave do not have the cement crypts. I really try to be careful in cemeteries but I felt this one was a little too dangerous. I do hope they provide a little more care in the cemetery. If I lived closer I would definitely volunteer some.

[@jupite1888]

Geez thats sad, some people should think were they are now we will be and just a little effort and respect isn't a lot. Thanks Rhett

[@RhettyforHistory]

It is sad to see and I just hope that they are in the process of making a difference there. Thank you for watching!

[@brendakrieger7000]

Thanks for sharing! I hope you find the grave someday!🪦 OMG, how irresponsible! Rant most definitely warranted!

[@RhettyforHistory]

It sure seems irresponsible to me. The grave is definitely in this cemetery but I'm really unsure where. I'm curious if he has a stone that has sank in the ground. I uncovered almost 20 or so like that while I was there. I'm not anywhere near this cemetery so this is as close to the grave as I will ever get. Thank you for watching Brenda!

[@brendakrieger7000]

@@RhettyforHistory Yes, probably hidden under the mess somewhere

[@RhettyforHistory]

There is a good chance he old have one like that. The ground needs to be probed in his exact spot.

[@laurab1089]

What a sad sight though not as bad as some. To damage a headstone or let them sink below ground is heartbreaking. This hits me hard..

[@RhettyforHistory]

This cemetery could certainly use a little more care. Thank you for watching Laura.

[@lonnietoth5765]

I coordinated Veterans flag replacement for 3 years at a local cemetery until I could no longer ask for volunteers to navigate this mess ! The front gate was gone , construction material everywhere as well as refrigerators and washing machines dropped off. Whole families had their stones toppled . I spent 2 years in Germany with the Army and the first thing that impressed me was their cemeteries ! They were clean and well kept , all over Germany .

[@marlenecentrella9793]

Very interesting . I knew he was a bad person but he did try to be better. He had some mother. So sad the cemetary was in such a bad state. Really hope they do fix it up and get those flags on the veterans. Another awesome video. Stay safe my friend.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you so much for watching Marlene. This cemetery sure needed some extra care. As it stands it seems disrespectful and dangerous.

[@marypettyfer4640]

Thankyou 😊❤🙏

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and I appreciate you watching Mary!

[@jodysappington7008]

This was very interesting..

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching Jody!

[@marypettyfer4640]

I think I'd rather go to prison then than an insane asylum.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Especially so in those days. Not that either one would be easy or fun.

[@Carolbearce]

I agree with you in regards to pulling trees and knocking over markers. They should be fixed by either the company that pulled the trees or the cemetery association. If that was my family I would be very angry. One time I went to my fathers grave and they had moved my father’s stone to get a big tractor in. When they put the stone back it was backwards. They fixed it pretty quickly as it was their mistake.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That's awful but I'm glad they fixed your father's marker. It's common for them to remove stones when they have to get in there but I'm not sure why they didn't do that here. Perhaps it was the tree company. I hope it gets fixed though as well as the other things in the cemetery that need more care. Thank you for watching!

[@tracylong5192]

Good video

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching Tracy!

[@rocksandoil2241]

I am not sure but that Cenotaph is in the cemetery where his brothers and mother are buried in Oklahoma. But I don't know if the marker is still there. There is a missing piece of paper. They are on the north side of the cemetery straight north of the gate. But it was my guess that Barker is buried in Colorado. The marker in Oklahoma was simply added. I don't think his body was ever moved. but the local Miami Oklahoma undertakers might have records if moved. FYI - Bruner's Cemetery is in the Vinita cemetery. Heck Bruner was a famous lawman. Buried there was a guy named Goodman - unmarked - aka "The Fagen of the Cookson Hills" - killed in a shootout south of Grove after robbing the Ketchum bank.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I know Lloyd is in Brighton, CO but that funeral home type marker sure threw me off. Once I got home and started looking at it and figured that it was nothing more than a cenotaph. I didn't remember that from my visit years ago. Thank you for the tip on Bruner. I didn't know about that one. I appreciate you watching as well as all the information.

[@bcoldgoalie]

They could have cut the tree low,keep it stable to fall the right way,and grind the stump. This would have lessened the likelihood of destroying the markers. Maybe too costly. At least reposition the markers correctly. Very thoughtful video,

[@RhettyforHistory]

I agree with what you are saying on the tree removal. I'm not sure what the story is behind that and all the other neglect in the cemetery. Thank you for watching!

[@georgeearls3338]

I don't know either, about the cemetery, and I think it looks like they are trying to do some improvements I hope so anyway. As far as Mr. Barker goes he may have been a criminal at one time, but he did his time in prison, and from what you said it sounds like he was trying, I don't know anything about him, but he was a veteran and should be honored for that anyway.

[@RhettyforHistory]

He certainly was trying to do better although we don't know his home life. It could be possible he has a marker there but it may have been swallowed up by the earth. I was uncovering ones from the 50s to the 70s. I'm with you on the hope that the cemetery is in the middle of improvements. I tried not to be so critical but I also wanted to show a little of it in hopes someone had or has some answers. Thank you for watching!

[@patricialenaburg6553]

I hope they kept track of where those head stones belong if their intentions are to put them back. I am also wondering why they didn't set those aside before removing the tree. Head stones aren't given away, people have to pay for those, it just shows no respect what so ever. The flat head stones are run over by lawn mowers, the heads stones have deep scratches which destroy the names/dates on them, and pictures that may be on them. In some cemeteries you are not allowed standing head stones, so they can mow. Thanks Rhetty, you couldn't find the grave site, but opened something that needs attention.

[@RhettyforHistory]

If the cemetery wasn't in such poor shape I'm not sure I would have done a story there. I spent hours in that cemetery and I really didn't show much of the damage. Just a small part. The simple thing would have been to take photos of where everything is, move the markers, remove the trees, then place the markers back. I really don't understand and some of them looked like they had been there for a couple months or more. I can't tell you how many markers I uncovered with just a stick and hands. I didn't have the right tools as we just didn't have room to take them. The cemetery needs a lot more care than what it has been getting but I have to wonder if Barker has a memorial and the ground has swallowed it up. Thank you for watching Patricia!

[@RetiredSailor60]

I used to live in Brighton CO.

[@marypettyfer4640]

How awful sinking like that must of been shock for you.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Last think I wanted to do was break qn ankle or something especially out of state. There were numerous dangerous spots in this cemetery.

[@joseleswopes4396]

Usually over by the cottage they will have a rollodex with a map.

[@RhettyforHistory]

There was nothing available here and the office was closed.

[@marypettyfer4640]

That's awfully disrespectful no care taken they wouldn't appreciate it if their kin buried there.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I agree! I'm not sure what the back story is so I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just hope they do what is right and fix everything.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

Another one I missed, it was a bit of a shame that the tree messed up several graves. I remember there was an episode of The Untoachables that was a fictional account of the gang.

[@RhettyforHistory]

There were multiple trees in the cemetery like that where they had ruined multiple trees. This cemetery had a lot of problems and I feel it is one of the worst out there for still having active staff.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@RhettyforHistory Well, I hope for the families sake, they get it "Ship Shape and Bristol fashion" sooner than later. It is a shame to have let it get in such a bad shape.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I agree. The only fitting excuse I see is that it was in bad management and a new set of management just took over. If they are the same people they should be ashamed.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@RhettyforHistory Yep me too or the Supervisor let it go and a new one is fixing it up. One retired or quit and a new one is fixing the neglect.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yeah something like that. I know right now it's hard to find people but with the amount of neglect I saw that was years and possibly decades of neglect.

[@BillyDzCollection]

So disrespectful! I bet anything whoever ground down that stump is responsible for the damage.....

[@RhettyforHistory]

I think so too. I hope they fill it soon. Thank you for watching!

[@travelingwithmikeandpam9074]

That's a shame! Go back next year & see if there are improvements, then you will know that they were in the middle of renovation or not?!

[@RhettyforHistory]

That would be the best way to tell. I'm not sure I will ever be out this way again so hopefully a viewer can let us know. I really think this cemetery was in a condition that was inexcusable. Thank you for watching Mike.

[@travelingwithmikeandpam9074]

@@RhettyforHistory Agree!

[@cwb0051]

Very Interesting, isnt it kinda Funny, how Criminals sometimes become "Famous"?..lol..

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes it is. Famous or infamous its really all the wrong reasons. Seems as though their decisions eventually catch up to them one way or another. Thank you for watching!

[@heidioller4494]

SIR!!!! I just saw another video of where Lloyd is buried. Ma Barker and other brothers are there as well. They're all in Oklahoma. Most of them had the funeral home markers at one time and are still there but also have actual headstones now. But I hope you see this. But Lloyd is definitely there. I saw it. Good luck and thank you for the hard work. I can send you the link to the video if you want.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I am familiar with that cemetery which is in Welch. Lloyd is most certainly not in that cemetery. Someone has placed a funeral home marker there Asa cenotaph. What confused me is I didn't realized they uploaded that to both the memorials on findagrave for each cemetery. I will definitely be doing more on that cemetery in Welch later this year. Thank you for watching.

[@heidioller4494]

@@RhettyforHistory Slippery guy isn't he lol? Did you get a chance to see the rest of the family graves on OK? Here's the link just to look see. It was cool to see Ma has a marker now. I'm really enjoying your channel. I hope you don't mind that I love to help folks out locating things if I can. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYqxYYCLj51misk

[@williamfraza3735]

Ma Barker and most of the family are at the Welch cemetary.

[@raynonabohrer5624]

Wow this is very 😔 sad

[@RhettyforHistory]

I really hope they get this cemetery in better shape. Thank you for watching!

[@jared1870]

Coolest profile pic ever.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you Jared!

[@plumber219]

I am the caretaker of a Catholic cemetery and have been to hundreds of cemeterys over the years and many of them are like that, they are sunken, stones falling over, overgrowth etc. If we want them to be pristine its gonna take a lot of money, or volunteers, neither of which seem to be in great supply, I get complaints from people about stones that are leaning or sunken spots, and when I explain to them that I am only one person, and that theres very little money for the upkeep of the cemetery they just say oh, but not a one of them volunteers five minuets of their time or ten cents of their money even though its their ancestors that are buried there. If Ive learned one thing over the years, people love to complain, but generally arent willing to do much to change things.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I for one am one of the volunteers of cemeteries. I've been in a lot of cemeteries over the years and i really don't see many like this one. I understand how difficult it is with only one caretaker and limited funds. The graves were severely neglected in this one. It doesn't take a whole lot to putaccess dirt on top of a sinking grave and it it was a little then I would understand but we are talking a lot. I should have went back over to show how deep that one was. And if you have to take up the decorations to mow and edge I understand that too as many cemeteries have a two week rule. But do you leave them pushed up against trees with the flags and flowers faded and grass growing thru them? Do you pull trees up and damage the markers leaving them to stay there while planting a new tree on limited funds?

[@plumber219]

@@RhettyforHistory Well its just too bad there arent more people like you.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That part is true. I try to encourage more people to do something in cemeteries but it is not easy.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

Great Video I didn't know he had reformed and was murdered by his wife

[@RhettyforHistory]

It's certainly a strange story and not one that's really told much. Thank you for watching Kirk!

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@RhettyforHistory You're most welcome, ive learned a lot from your videos and always enjoy them

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'm glad to hear you are enjoying them and learning a little something along the way!

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@RhettyforHistory Always my friend both the enjoyment and learning

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

I'm thinking that marriage was not exactly like Leave It To Beaver. That there were...Issues.

[@RhettyforHistory]

No it wasn't. I'm not sure who she was married to before or what happened to that husband but it does have me curious. I know it is a different time period but it makes me wonder why she was with him, why she stayed with him and why she married him. She sure leather kids in a mess. I'm not exactly sure what became of them afterwards. Obviously they couldn't go to his mother or family so maybe the went to hers. Thank you for watching!

[@Greywolfgrafix]

I've tried to find Lloyd's and Jennie's actual marriage record, but thus far have not found it. It SHOULD be in the records there in Colorado. She had previously married William Wynn in New York prior to their move to Colorado about 1945. Her maiden name was Ferrell, but I've not yet found out who her parents were.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I can see where maybe Ronald changes his last name to Fiore and the Virginia's last name is Bare. Not sure if hers was an adopted last name or a married name. I think I see several things on Ronald where he sort of used both names. Living in Denver and Pueblo. It appears he was a musician. I've hit dead ends on both and sure can't find anything on the kids that Lloyd had.

[@RhettyforHistory]

And it looks like she may have married Wynne overseas?

[@Greywolfgrafix]

@@RhettyforHistory Now that I'm not sure of, but guess it's possible. I'd have to try to get a copy of Jennie's death certificate to see if there's any info on who her parents were, and where they were from. I can't find her on the 1930 census. She and her husband are in NY in 1940.

[@paulstan9828]

Such a shame. Hopefully it will improve.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I hope so too. I've never seen that level of neglect and destruction before. I really did not show it all. I don't understand it. Thank you for watching!

[@debramccrosson2334]

So sad to see graves treated like that

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes it is Debra.

[@scoobydoodle5473]

I love cookies!

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thanks for watching!

[@denystull355]

What happened to his wife after she was institutionalized? And what became of the children?

[@RhettyforHistory]

She died and is buried in a cemetery in Colorado. Nothing much exciting other than that.

[@leepackard1660]

I be willing to bet that maybe a storm knocked down the trees and the trees damaged the stones

[@RhettyforHistory]

It's possible that it may have happened that way. But before they chipped it up and planted new trees it would have been better to place the markers back. Dirt in the low lying graves would also be good. This cemetery had several issues that were caused from neglect.

[@Corgis175]

Whow is wife sentenced for life to insane asylum, what happened to the kids.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That I do not know. Since the Barker family was all gone I would assume that her kids from the precious marriage went to her family or possible her ex's. I would think that the two they had together went to her family but I can't find anything on any of them. It's possible they were placed in a foster home or adopted out. Ultimately they were the ones who suffered. Thank you for watching!

[@bjornjorgensen2220]

I thought all of Ma Barker's sons died in a shootout.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That's sort of what seems to be shared but there is another that committed suicide. It's all pretty strange. Thank you got watching!

[@ehrldawg]

Look at that grey beard.

[@clintperry799]

Ma barker is buried in Welch Oklahoma

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes she is. I have been to that cemetery before but it was years ago before I was doing youtube. Thanks for watching!