Mystery of Zhen Ji's Death | Seven Year Reign of Cao Pi Let's Talk Lore E02

[@sfvistorias6399]

In the end, lady zhen got the last laugh since we all remember her in history as cao pi's wife and fuck all other concubines. Plus she's in dynasty warriors soooo.

[@CatroiOz]

Between Cao Pi murdering his faithful wife just so he can bone his concubine on the empress' bed, Sun Quan destroying the faithful Shi clan because they were taking care of his lands too well and Liu Bei stabbing anyone with the name "Liu" in the back I really don't know who to root for anymore... Maybe the yellow turban were right, burn it all down.

[@alantanmiaothong635]

The azure sky has fallen, let the yellow skies rise!

[@jellydamgood]

But Lady Zhen seems to encourage Cao Pi to take more concubines. She doesn't mind. IMO I think Cao Pi just didn't trust her in the end. The Sima Yi tv series portrayed it quite nicely.

[@Sp4mMe]

It's kinda stupid how much Pro-Wu I am just because of some random character design choices in some completely ridiculously unrealistic games ... Realistically, yeah, the Yellow Turban had the right idea and the various egomaniac selfish warlords all belong in the same ditch.

[@LECityLECLEC]

@@jellydamgood which series? 2010?

[@tonys9397]

Interesting how much conspiracy and controversy surrounds Cao Pi. I guess replacing the Han was bound to have its consequences. At any rate shame Lady Zhen died she seemed like a nice lady would have probably been a good empress

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

Cao Pi was a pretty ruthless fellow, but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

[@victorhino26]

Interesting. Also,adding to what you said,Cao Pi being obedient and follow his court suggestion wholeheartedly by naming Zhen Ji as Empress sets a very dangerous precedent,dangerous as in the court would have this mindset of "hey we could manipulate this new emperor the way they,the cao regime previously puppeteering the last Han emperor" Cao Pi knowing full well of how that machination works will definitely resist that. and it is very in line of Cao Pi's supposed astuteness of court politics. Liu Xie also suffer the same fate of being forced to change his Empress if i remember correctly and am sure Cao Pi wouldn't want to follow his footsteps in that regard.

[@sidneyschnyder7793]

really interesting video I know so little about Cao Pi's Reign. I wonder if you do lore series of the Sima Family under Cao Wei and the eventual lead up to the coup and reorganization of Cao Wei after finishing Cao Pi reign series.

[@SeriousTrivia]

Yes we will eventually get to everything

[@billyvue98]

One of the big mystery of the three kingdoms period, we will never truly know what happen.

[@jayanthkn7056]

Regarding Cao Rui not lashing out against Empress Dowager Guo, he would have probably just bided his time and waited for the right opportunity to exact revenge - like quid pro quo. And court historians are obviously going to cover up facts and extoll the virtues of their liege-lord, as a way to save their heads and their bias or perceptions.

[@SeriousTrivia]

Nine years….and let her die of old age then honor her family members with title and bury her in the imperial tomb. Doesn’t sound like revenge

[@jayanthkn7056]

@@SeriousTrivia actually it's the best form of revenge... imperial tomb is convenient to hide the punishment, regarding awarding the family members, could be political decision or maybe he was lenient, or just wanted to show that the family members were innocent and had done nothing against him so he rewarded them. Just speculation.

[@terry-vu3lb]

Is also interesting that there is a speculation that Cao Zhi is in loved with Lady Zhen and wrote the Luo Shen rhapsody after Lady Zhen pass away.

[@Zooasaurus]

If anything this makes me wonder why CA even merged Zheng Jiang in the first place, they could've just released Zheng and Jiang as one unit leader

[@michaelbandada9887]

“Ya know, being an Emperor has many privileges like whacking wives to score a brand new mistress” -Cao Pi

[@Junbug92]

5:54 her mouth was stuffed with rice husks not candy

[@MCorpReview]

I’ve always liked his dad more than him. Why did he steal her from the yuan family to end it like this? Aiyah I kinda like how the deposed emperor and also cao pi brother in law gave him two daughters as concubines. Nothing good can come outta accepting gifts 🎁 from the enemy

[@nashiffuadkhan9817]

everyone will prefer cao cao than cao pi the political animal

[@neocomp92]

Who knows, probably the unwritten reality was that Lady Zhen had a blood pact with Sima Yi to protect Cao Rui because she had fallen out of favour with Cao Pi, plus rumors abound that Cao Rui was actually not his. Maybe upon hearing her death, Sima Yi frantically kidnapped Cao Rui, rushed him over to one of Cao Pi's concubine (and his sister-in-law) and had Cao Rui swear that she is his new mother to protect him. 🤷 Also, despite references to The Advisor's Alliance, interestingly you chose Cao Pi of 2010 San Guo as your thumbnail.

[@lingbingzheng8127]

Question Master Trivia, what impact did Cao Cao brought to China as a whole historical?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Contributed heavily to how the Han Dynasty ended.

[@lingbingzheng8127]

@@SeriousTrivia Was there any effect due to Cao Cao after the Era other than Romance of the Three Kingdoms?

[@SeriousTrivia]

It’s hard to say since he is not the first or last regent to usurp

[@lingbingzheng8127]

@@SeriousTrivia Was there anything the Jin Dynasty followed base on Cao Cao’s installment? Like how Cao Cao abolished the Han’s system of recommendations. Or did they just overwrite everything?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Jin kept a lot of the Wei court reforms. They mainly differed on princedom policies

[@darksamurai6]

Why did Luoyang become the capital again?

[@SeriousTrivia]

The same reason it was picked before. Centralized location with a lot of natural defensive barriers and gate passes.

[@darksamurai6]

@@SeriousTrivia Why did Cao Cao not do this himself?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Ye made more sense with him since Luoyang was still being rebuilt and there were still a lot of north focused military operations that made Ye more centralized. As a symbol of taking over the Han mandate, it just made more sense to pick Luoyang especially if the aspiration is to conquer the south and west to reunite the country

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@SeriousTrivia Was Xu Chang still an important city after Luo Yang was made the capital again?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Yes but it’s status was more of an ancestral home capital rather than a robust city.

[@jamesthach2504]

Hey Serious Trivia, 1. Did The Advisors Alliance did great job on Cao Rui the show made him act more like a adult version of Joffrey from Game of Thrones and he was extremely ruthless, cruel, arrogant, sadistic, malicious, egotistical, remorseless and tyrannical ruler, because his mother was put to death and his father Cao Pi never realize he indirectly created a monster and was the historically one was any like that in a way and I heard he killed a number of his attendants and order his Empress to death as well? 2. Question in your fates divided Cao Cao faction preview you stated you don't like Lady Zhen's portrait by CA, and why is that and did CA even got the historic accuracy right and from up close it looks great to me?

[@SeriousTrivia]

1. I think it did a good job on Cao Rui. While not exactly like the version in the show, Cao Rui was very crafty and cruel. He also had a lot of issues with gender identity and women which led to his early death as he did cross dress and had way too many concubines (over ten thousand). And yes, he too sentenced his empress to death. 2. Just a personal preference.

[@jamesthach2504]

Interesting.

[@Ruwinka]

their relationship was good but when Cao pi ascend the throne Zhen ji was suppsed to be empress later but a women called Guo Nuwang came and told lies about Zhen ji to Cao pi. telling Cao pi that Zhen Ji's son is not him and that son is yuan xi's. so basically Cao pi was enraged that Zhen ji was hiding this and decided to execute her. but he thought for some time and thought Zhen Ji would never do that. So Guo Nuwang became closer to Cao Pi eventually seducing him. Zhen ji was enraged and she confronted Cao pi. then Cao pi was enraged so he send a team force her to commit suicide as now he thought Zhen ji was using him and that her son was not his. . Zhen ji died but her son was actually Cao pi's son. Guo Nuwang became empress later. soon zhen ji's son became the emperor. Zhen Ji had a friend called Lady li who is another wife of Cao pi. This girl told the hidden truth about Zhen ji's death to her son and how Guo Nuwang was the main reason. she also told that even after zhen ji's death Guo Nuwang treated her dead body harshly. Guo Nuwang put rice husks to her mouth so she will never speak and she also covered Zhen ji;s eyes with Zhen ji's hair so she will be blind in her next soul. Zhen ji's son was so angry that the same day he executed Guo Nuwang by forcing her to commit suicide the same way Zhen Ji died. and also treated her body harshly as well. legends say that lady Li sneaked passed Guo Nuwang and took out rice husks from zhen ji's mouth and also removed her hair from her face. ut Guo Nuwang got the treatment no matter what. THERE IS also a theroy why zhen ji was supposed to be empress later. Guo Nuwang probaly had something to do with Zhen ji becoming the empress because cao pi loved zhen ji so much that he prepared arrangements for zhen ji becoming the empress but it all stopped. after zhen ji's death Lady Li thought that Guo Nuwang will tell lies to zhen ji's child about Zhen ji being a bad woman and a queen, so She begged Cao pi to give the control of the child to herself as cao pi was supposed to give the control to Guo Nuwang. because Lady Li begged Cao pi eventually gave the control to Lady Li.

[@SeriousTrivia]

Source please…

[@Ruwinka]

in wikipedia. but i have visited china and there were books about han dynasty. one such book had information about Lady Zhen's death and how lady Li was part of the reason why Guo Nuwang died. Lad Li's part is not confirmed though as according to that book it said that Lady Li's part is not confirmed, but because there are many mentions about Lady Li in Lady Zhen's death makes me believe that Lady Li's part is true. besides how did Cao Rui knew about Guo Nuwang's part Zhen ji's death. I'm not really sure about Cao Pi thinking about Zhen ji's punishment though. there was like 1 sentence in wikipedia that indicates Cao Pi might have saved Zhen Ji if she didn't died early, which makes me think that Zhen Ji died some days earlier before her actual day in which she was supposed to die. But I'm pretty sure about Lady Li's part because she was mentioned a lot in most sources related to Zhen Ji's death. @@SeriousTrivia

[@emperor-thesenate-palpatin5954]

i forgot....

[@SeekerOfKnowledge87]

Why is it pronounced Tsao Pee and not Tsao Err? When does the letter I make an "ee" sound or an "Err" sound? For instance, Cao Zhi isn't pronounced "Zhee" but "Zhur". Hard to ask this through text but hopefully you understand my question.

[@iamnamednicholas]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoLKdGWferWjpac think this video will be able to answer your question

[@SeriousTrivia]

The main issue when seeing Chinese pinyin is that often you are seeing them without the tone markers which tells you how to pronounce the vowel. For example in our Cao Rui and Cao Rui showcase from episode one, I showed the two accent markers to denote that they are actually different tone which is why you find Cao Zhi’s i to sound different from Cao Pi’s i. Also in addition to that the Chinese pinyin P sound is a rather harsh P sound by itself which also contribute to this

[@eliu868]

Adding on an interesting point: the "r" or "er sound at the end is an accent feature characteristic of Northern Chinese accents. This is not so characteristic in the south. As someone whose family hails from Chengdu in the south, "Zhur" sounds quite harsh to me personally.