3D printing bolt and thread in horizontal or vertical position - strength test

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@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 3 жыл бұрын
Based on these results: testing different horizontally printed bolts WITHOUT supports: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2S6g3WmYrlnaNE
@odayltonprof
@odayltonprof 2 жыл бұрын
if you print 2 halves horizontally and glue the 2 halves or not to avoid the supports PS: next time hang the weights on the hook and not on you (Pt-BR)e se vc imprimir 2 metades na horizontal e colar as 2 metades ou não para evitar os suportes PS: a próxima vez pendura os pesos no gancho e não em vc kkkk
@LukaArtelj
@LukaArtelj 2 жыл бұрын
You nooob! You dont know how to calculate torq
@claymeistereu
@claymeistereu 2 жыл бұрын
Intro music?
@legen_dary42
@legen_dary42 3 ай бұрын
@@LukaArtelj It works for the purposes of the test, since comparison is the main objective. All he did was measure the force he applied to the wrench instead of the torque applied to the bolt. However, if he knows the length of the wrench, he can account for it fairly well, and it looks like he made it past basic algebra.
@SaurabhRautIR
@SaurabhRautIR 4 жыл бұрын
Man you seriously investing such heavy physical Efforts just for demonstrating your viewers.. Hats-Off to you
@sympiamao3ziaime
@sympiamao3ziaime 3 жыл бұрын
Hihallo euhhh non. Il y en a ils sont vraiment pas mieux que les Français. Des vrais guignols.
@andrewsneacker1256
@andrewsneacker1256 2 жыл бұрын
You reminded me of the great song: Hats Off to (Roy) Harper
@scatdawg1
@scatdawg1 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't he just use the Rachet strap he was holding himself up with?
@roberteaster6655
@roberteaster6655 4 жыл бұрын
Boss status achieved, with his last 3 words of his first, "Hello, welcome to my workshop. I am Igor...". I am Igor! Ruler of all Things!
@roberteaster6655
@roberteaster6655 4 жыл бұрын
@@gentle3412 Not particularly. It's what came to mind, when he was introducing himself.
@taseenhaider3961
@taseenhaider3961 4 жыл бұрын
What about von misses stress would that be supporting in some way
@RomanGen1
@RomanGen1 4 ай бұрын
It`s common name in Russia (Игорь), Author definitely from Ukraine/Russia/Belarus since his accent very specific, i uses same =)
@jonasdaverio9369
@jonasdaverio9369 4 жыл бұрын
It's a bit like wood, which is several times stronger with the grain than across it
@hammyboigaming904
@hammyboigaming904 4 жыл бұрын
Yes true
@rantanplan1911
@rantanplan1911 4 жыл бұрын
FYI the more scientific term for this is "isotropy". An isotropic material (such as metal) has the same strength in all directions. :)
@prithvirajb1953
@prithvirajb1953 4 жыл бұрын
@@rantanplan1911 but this is not isotropic right
@rantanplan1911
@rantanplan1911 4 жыл бұрын
@@prithvirajb1953 Exactly. Wood and 3D printed plastic would be "anisotropic" (literally "not isotropic")
@TechandTools1
@TechandTools1 3 жыл бұрын
@@rantanplan1911 Thanks for your comment, great info 👍
@0LoneTech
@0LoneTech 4 жыл бұрын
I really like that you perform these experiments and document them so thoroughly. I think you can make the stretch tests safer using a lever; it looked like you risked falling on your knees with considerable force.
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
I am good with falling (from few cm), watching video, yes, it may look risky. But I am working on Arduino based tensile testing machine, where I can measure yield point too, not only break points (and it will work by pressing a button). Only parts from China are arriving so slowly..
@3dprintingrevolution791
@3dprintingrevolution791 4 жыл бұрын
I was more concerned about his testicles getting the weight dropped on them as he hit the ground
@max_955
@max_955 2 жыл бұрын
Sound exaggerated but please use a helmet, if you trip that will hurt
@scatdawg1
@scatdawg1 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you just use the Rachet strap you were holding your self up with to do the whole experiment?
@UltraGamma25
@UltraGamma25 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyTechFun Your safety is important
@EliosMoonElios
@EliosMoonElios 4 жыл бұрын
No debate needed: If you need bolts to endure forced print it horizontal. If you need bolts merely to keep pieces together print vertical.
@thomast7748
@thomast7748 4 жыл бұрын
Any person with a little experience in FDM printing should know that. Why did i still watch the video ? I have no idea.
@selftaughtinfection
@selftaughtinfection 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomast7748 Too see the exact results lol. While i was expecting horizontal to be stronger i was slightly surprised with how much stronger it is.
@PotyGames
@PotyGames 4 жыл бұрын
if you dont know how the bolts are going to be used print it in 45°
@EliosMoonElios
@EliosMoonElios 4 жыл бұрын
@@PotyGames 45º are worthless: Not as strong as horizontal. Too much filament waste. Much more material to clean.
@doppelhelixes
@doppelhelixes 4 жыл бұрын
....or use metal bolts....
@hebl47
@hebl47 2 жыл бұрын
Best news from this video is that 45° wasn't the winner.
@TheGamersRace
@TheGamersRace 3 ай бұрын
Why is that the best news?
@hebl47
@hebl47 3 ай бұрын
​@@TheGamersRace Because it's the most inconvenient to "clean" and prepare for printing. It's just the option with the most hassle.
@TheGamersRace
@TheGamersRace 3 ай бұрын
@@hebl47 Is it though? Some materials are easier to print in that orientation...
@KcCake
@KcCake 2 ай бұрын
Easier than laying flat with supports imo
@gigaherz_
@gigaherz_ 4 жыл бұрын
I just got this video in my recommendations, and before I start watching I wanted to mention, if you include 0:00 as the first timestamp in your video description, youtube will show a split time bar with the different timestamps as sections. All this requires is that you have a list of timestamps, with 0:00 as the first one!
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know about that, this was very useful information. Thanks
@boekster7108
@boekster7108 4 жыл бұрын
That M6 test just made me smile. It’s amazing how much in this world can be calculated with math. This whole video was insanely entertaining and I love how all the data was presented!
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 2 жыл бұрын
Really it's a good endorsement of the data he was using. Partially proves that it's not just marketing wank being repeated to you, seems his source may actually be doing some independent testing.
@PowerScissor
@PowerScissor 4 жыл бұрын
I always create a flat size along the threads of every 3d-printable thread I design...and print it horizontally. It requires no support, prints easily, and the small section of no threads doesn't effect it's ability to thread in and out easily.
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I already got this suggestion, definitely I will try it in near future (also print in two halfs, PETG etc..)
@wirosk2916
@wirosk2916 4 жыл бұрын
@@MyTechFun I think the point being made is that it doesnt have to be half the widht of the screw not being printed. Since it is possible to print with overhang you might get away with only 1/3 or 1/4 not being printed (or even less).
@zeroblade6599
@zeroblade6599 4 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking, was hoping to see this version in the test as well
@BrunoTeixeiradaSilva
@BrunoTeixeiradaSilva 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video btw, man take care of yourself. These tests are a lot fun tho... 😂 But more than all of this, it's clarifying! Thanks a lot for the tip.
@misadventuresin3dprinting.545
@misadventuresin3dprinting.545 4 жыл бұрын
So you are shaving a side from top to bottom including the head?
@porkerthepig
@porkerthepig 2 жыл бұрын
Having no experience with 3d printing I was surprised how strong even the vertical print is
@Nicat_Qrbnv
@Nicat_Qrbnv 2 жыл бұрын
In vertical position all the three stresses accumulate in between the layers which are weak points. Meanwhile, in horizontal position stresses are applied to the layers all together. This video really helped to realize this. If you asked me before, I would definitely go with the vertical one.
@TN-ec6ec
@TN-ec6ec 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so impressed that horizontal did so well
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
Me too. I want to compare them with injection molded bolts too
@garrypotter5323
@garrypotter5323 4 жыл бұрын
strength in horizontal printing is quite logical - the strength of the thread is summed up in total. in fact, a cable is obtained. vertical and angular printing is caused only by the adhesion of the layers.
@TN-ec6ec
@TN-ec6ec 4 жыл бұрын
@@garrypotter5323 That's a great point!
@mauritsvw
@mauritsvw 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative and quite entertaining -- you literally put your body on the line for testing! Incidentally, just this morning I tested horizontal vs vertical printing for a small 6mm pla rod I am going to use for a propeller, and the horizontally printed one was much more difficult to break with my hands than the vertically printed one.
@jimbeam9977
@jimbeam9977 2 жыл бұрын
I really didn’t think 3d printed bolts would stand up to that much force I can’t wait to get my printer so I can get up and running this is super useful for so many applications and without seeing this I would’ve never thought to try this out!! Very cool!!
@Nosirrbro
@Nosirrbro 2 жыл бұрын
Be sure to watch out for creep though i don’t think the kinds of forces that they were withstanding would be safe for very long!
@colinfielder6695
@colinfielder6695 4 жыл бұрын
It's thanks to people like you that save others a lot of time and effort to achieve the best results! Thank you
@DannyMNL
@DannyMNL 2 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting stuff. I used to fly model airplanes, and for mounting the wings to the fuselage there are special nylon bolts in the market. The idea behind these is that in the event of a crash where the wing strikes an obstacle, the bolts would shear off and the wing would be undamaged. In practice however, the bolts would often prove to be too strong, and either the wing would be damaged anyway, or the mounts would tear out of the fuselage together with the bolts. It would be a fun challenge to produce my own bolts that are strong enough to survive any aerobatic maneuvers of the plane, but would be fragile enough to break in the case of a crash.
@johnsamu
@johnsamu 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't be too difficult, just adapt the market available nylon bolts by making a radial groove in it. Best to do with a (mini)lathe if you have one. You can easily make a bolt that will break when you want to. It's somewhat like steel testsamples are being made when steel properties are being tested.
@leandergarcia5426
@leandergarcia5426 4 жыл бұрын
conclusion: I'm overweight 🤣🤣 love how the tests went 👍
@random_bs_goo9154
@random_bs_goo9154 4 жыл бұрын
Average American: y u so skinny
@LostPhysx
@LostPhysx 4 жыл бұрын
The site he used is crap though. It says that the average weight for a male 1.83m person is 45 kg. That's ridiculous
@pseudotaco
@pseudotaco 4 жыл бұрын
@@LostPhysx That's only if you don't enter an age or said age is too low. Now, I'm not saying that makes it any better, but that at least explains it
@dr1verman
@dr1verman 4 жыл бұрын
If you need to test with heavier items, I am available. Ha ha.
@Mathoose
@Mathoose 2 жыл бұрын
I have no words. This video is so comprehensive I love it! Just started getting into 3D printing. Keep up the good work!
@moth.monster
@moth.monster 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised at how strong even the vertical one was. FDM is amazing!
@virginiagould3167
@virginiagould3167 4 жыл бұрын
Watching those tests was surprisingly suspenseful! I've had enough bad experiences with vertical printed fasteners to know they wouldn't do great, but I was surprised by just how much better the horizontal printed ones did. Thanks for posting!
@BlueClefto
@BlueClefto 4 жыл бұрын
Dude! Awesome job, didn't know those could be that powerful. I'm gonna consider that part of the printing world unlocked (nuts and bolts, and heavy duty parts) for my future projects. Even new possible projects.
@MiguelRodriguez2010
@MiguelRodriguez2010 2 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful! Last night I experimented with some brackets printed on my CR-30. Definitely need to rotate parts by 45° since that’s the equivalent to printing horizontally on a normal printer. The ones printed right in the bed broke as I removed them from the bed. But the ones printed at 45° were really strong! Which for batch prints I closely stack them in Cura so that it uses the previous print as a support. This reduces waste with supports on multiple prints.
@mavric1177
@mavric1177 2 жыл бұрын
Props for going back and retesting the pulling test feel like most would not have gone through the effort. Keep up the good work my friend
@lulamix445
@lulamix445 4 жыл бұрын
Than you for testing all of this and sharing info
@armando_vimo3235
@armando_vimo3235 4 жыл бұрын
Bro i dont know, why im watching this at 2:30 AM, im fall sleep,but nice video, i love this things, nice experiment, you won a new suscríber, a huge hug from México 🇲🇽❤️
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
Mexico? That's far from here, good feeling that my work traveles worldwide :-) Regards from Hungary.
@elijahleonen198
@elijahleonen198 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! The results may vary if the bolt print orientations (vertical, horizontal, 45) are all printed separately. Printing all of these different orientations together will affect the infill/print path of the bolt. This would then effect the lattice/crystalline structure of the bolt. But you sir deserve a tensile test machine instead of risking your own weight for a plastic bolt haha. Thank you for the great content!
@Jynxx_13
@Jynxx_13 2 жыл бұрын
Never seen anyone put themselves through this much physical stress just to test 3D Printed parts. You can say you put your ALL into this project. Well done Igor!! I have to say the chain fall you use now is much better for test results but far from as entertaining.
@adanufgail
@adanufgail 4 жыл бұрын
A word of warning, McMaster Carr's TOS prohibits you from 3D printing their models. It's probably fine for personal use, but be sure not to sell anything with those pieces in it.
@russellchido
@russellchido 4 жыл бұрын
That's incredibly stupid. Aren't all the measurements standard?
@phitsf5475
@phitsf5475 4 жыл бұрын
@@russellchido No doubt part of it is a cover for liability.
@pentachronic
@pentachronic 4 жыл бұрын
For proto fit I'm sure they are Ok because you'll buy the proper part from them at some point.
@josephsagotti8786
@josephsagotti8786 4 жыл бұрын
@_ David _ Other people can host the models for download via torrent... i'd love to see them complain about that "file storage".
@pitanpainter2140
@pitanpainter2140 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this - the information is useful and timely for me. I'm working on a horizontal mount for a joystick that has both a screw thread and a nut. This confirms that the planned horizontal print should be stronger than my other options.
@kirkendauhl6990
@kirkendauhl6990 2 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed with Igor’s English skills, I know Hungarian is extremely different than English so I just wanted to take the time and tell you your English is good and understandable. Thank you for taking time to speak in English to make your information more accessible by using the most widely spoken language on earth atm, I genuinely appreciate the effort.
@Riusnailly
@Riusnailly 2 жыл бұрын
Hungarian is definitely a very difficult language. It is very different from English. I'm Ukrainian so I can easily understand Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Belarusian, Czech, Slovak, Serbian, Slovenian (although these are all related languages ​​of course) and English, but Hungarian... I can't understand it.
@furkancalskan9359
@furkancalskan9359 2 жыл бұрын
Hungarian is so much different than English. But it is so similar to Turkish
@VezWay007
@VezWay007 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. The explanation is clear. And the demo was enjoyable to watch too. The M6 demo also very clearly showed the significant difference. Thanks! Also, I learned that most of the stress that happens to bolts are perpendicular to the long bit. That makes a lot of sense actually.
@jezclark4882
@jezclark4882 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting test would be to print a solid, smooth bolt (no thread) and then use the die to add a thread. I think that might be stronger than printing the thread.
@danielwang5150
@danielwang5150 2 жыл бұрын
Threading 3D printed blots just results in the rod snapping from heat. It’s impractical to thread a long rod because of how long it takes, and still it weakens it
@edwardstephens936
@edwardstephens936 3 күн бұрын
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your work doing all this testing. It helps me with developing better designs. Thank you very much.
@lexzbuddy
@lexzbuddy 4 жыл бұрын
engineer here, great vid, saves me having to do what you just did. Thanks
@mechadense
@mechadense 4 жыл бұрын
🟅 Instead of adding support what I do is cutting the thread off from the screws underside (and top for other reasons) such that I can print them sideways. I cut off the he profile depth and a tiny bit more. A tiny bit more to avoid overhangs >> 45°. This still gives more strength (and much more importantly more reliable strength across materials) than vertically printed screws. An added benefit of cutting of a side (or both sides) of the thread is that the screws can now be rotationally locked to what they go through by adding matching flats to the printed holes. E.g. one can rotationally lock a stack of spur gears together. I also cut off the top of the horizontally oriented thread because that part has the same issue with vertically printed screws. That is the top of the horizontally printed thread contributes less to the total strength. Also it forces the printer to do lots of island-jumping and retractions which adds print time, load on the printer and possibly stringing and post processing effort and time. A possible failure mode could be that under load the nuts become oval and slip over the thread. In that case the top cuold be left on. 🟅 Also what I do is instead of going for metric or imperial standard screws (standards which where never meant for FDM 3D printing) I go for FDM printing optimized thread profiles. I use asignificantly larger pitch (3mm pitch for 12mm screw -- there is still friction self-holding) and I use softer thread profiles (like e.g. sinusoidal or cubic instead of classic triangular) which can be printed faster and cleaner. 🟅 Given the clearance was chosen properly with these design choices there is NO POSTPROCESSING NEEDED whatsoever.
@SuperSwindlers
@SuperSwindlers 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the engineering approach, one thing your results may differ than the website data is because you did the experiment by printing bolts. The threads on the exterior surface are the stress risers so they reduced the max. stress. The correct method would be printing straight bars and testing it on a setup similar to extensometer. Very much thanks for the video by the way, it gives clear understanding of the effect of printing direction on the strength.
@GeorgeWells00
@GeorgeWells00 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this work! I was running into issues with vertically printed M6 screws and nuts that where stripping and splitting at the layers. This research confirms my thought that a horizontal printed screw will be far more helpful. Excellent video!
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun Жыл бұрын
You may find this informational too kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2S6g3WmYrlnaNE
@Speeder84XL
@Speeder84XL 4 жыл бұрын
Really impressive! I never thaught they would hold this much. And fun way to test it :) Although (depending on how strong you are), you may get more force doing it the opposit way - attach the bolt to a barbell on the ground and lift it. And once the bolt gives out, you don't fall to the ground with a lot of weights on top, haha. This also really show the weakest point with 3D printing - layer adhesion.
@frankbauerful
@frankbauerful 4 жыл бұрын
A note on supports for the horizontal print: You don't need so much support. A 1mm wide support is enough for an M10 thread just so that it has something to rest on. It's usually best to add this support directly in the modeling tool instead of activating supports in the slicer.
@TheUNLICENCED
@TheUNLICENCED 4 жыл бұрын
A like for detailed and tough test 💪 using self.
@thompiraux
@thompiraux 3 жыл бұрын
Materials printed are anisotropic. This means that they have a preferencial direction and so it's normal to observe that your bolt broke sooner in the vertical position. It's because of the contact surface between the different layers of PLA. The contact surface of vertical printed version is far inferior of those of horizontal version. In order to maximize the strenght of your component, you have to print your pieces with the layers in the direction of the maximum stress. Thanks a lot for this great demonstration!!
@GabeUnger
@GabeUnger 4 жыл бұрын
I love the way you test everything, and you explain everything so well!
@easymac79
@easymac79 Жыл бұрын
This presentation style, despite the accent, is keeping my focus much better than the channels that send mass produced content. A++, hoping to learn what I day-dreamt through several videos on the topic prior.
@gaellafond6367
@gaellafond6367 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I printed a replacement bolt for my toilet seat. Those bolt need to be made of plastic because a metal bolt could break the ceramic bol. Obviously, I followed your advice and printed it horizontally with supports. It was not pretty on the underside, but it's surprisingly strong for PLA. Lets see how long it will last.
@mangobot232
@mangobot232 4 жыл бұрын
If you have the rubber fitting you can use metal
@gaellafond6367
@gaellafond6367 4 жыл бұрын
@@mangobot232 Good point Mango. I must say, it was also a pretext to use my 3D printer
@edsrobots9107
@edsrobots9107 4 жыл бұрын
I am really impressed by this effort, from a relatively small channel, my hat is off to you sir!
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff 4 жыл бұрын
4th variation: horizontal printing but in two halves (thus, no supports)
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea. Thx
@siryoneyal
@siryoneyal 4 жыл бұрын
Also shaving the tips of thread in the two halves will give ability to have easier bolt nut fitting
@ondrejtyc7578
@ondrejtyc7578 4 жыл бұрын
5th: horizontal printing without thread and then use thread die to make whole thread.
@ParRagon-
@ParRagon- 4 жыл бұрын
@@ondrejtyc7578 6th: erase 5th because reasons. Buy a freaking rod then
@operator8014
@operator8014 4 жыл бұрын
@@ondrejtyc7578 Yeah, I don't think it's fair to compare 3d printed parts to machined parts. XD
@jimm.4864
@jimm.4864 Ай бұрын
Great video demonstrating the relative strengths based on printing methods!
@Cheezymuffin.
@Cheezymuffin. 2 жыл бұрын
for the diagonal one, it might be that at a certain position, under shear stress, it acts like the horizontal one, as the fibres can be diagonal to the shear stress, similar to the bolt with the horizontal fibers.
@NeoIsrafil
@NeoIsrafil 2 жыл бұрын
I should do this test in ABS. Its notoriously bad at layer adhesion, but I've figured out some tricks in the settings to get it to fuse REALLY nicely and solidly and im tempted to try it. For those interested, you can get improved layer adhesion by increasing environment temperature. building an enclosure, then adding in a heater on a relay connected to your board. I run ABS prints at an environment temperature of 60c, and I actually use the cooling fans at low speed, increasing for bridging and short layer times. it ALSO requires a minimum layer time, 15-20 seconds works well for mine. to figure these out i printed a small clip over and over with different settings, a 20 minute print, until I got a tiny, thin part I couldn't snap by hand.
@Pilachio
@Pilachio 2 жыл бұрын
Haven't printed yet with ABS, but I heard that a problem people have is issues with warping/uneven cooling. So I'd guess for most people who print ABS without a high temp enclosure the resulting print is barely holding itself together so to say.
@mikeytee6821
@mikeytee6821 4 жыл бұрын
I fully understand that it depends on the material used, but as a machinist it is my understanding that any bolt is only as strong depth wise as its diameter. In other words, tapping a hole 1/2"-13 (yes, I am in the USA) 1" deep makes the shear or tensile strength no stronger than tapping that same hole 1/2" deep. Interesting video!
@pontiacg445
@pontiacg445 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's even less if everything is the same material, and use the standard 7/16" high 1/2-13 nut as my evidence. Theoretically that's only ~5.6 full threads, and once you start adding chamfers it's even less. A "rule of thumb" I've heard is 3 full threads is all that's needed for full tensile, and a 1/2-13 jam nut is right around there, accounting for chamfers.
@johnbrooks7350
@johnbrooks7350 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the horizontal prints surprised me. “Stuffed Made Here” (KZbinr) did an interview where he was talking about how even with his Nylon SLS printer and his formlabs SLA printer and all their special resins, he was still frustrated that he didn’t have a printer with the capability to print isotropic ABS because it’s materials properties were so good. It’s really incredible to me the material properties of rather mundane thermoplastic polymers can have. It’s incredible for what they are.
@Dtr146
@Dtr146 4 жыл бұрын
Luv the vid. it helped me learn that the heat of your nozzle helps a lot with layer adhesion. Also proving my theory that I had by myself. That printing The item oriented perpendicular of the force being applied helps as well.
@pedrormonteiro
@pedrormonteiro 2 жыл бұрын
random recommendion that appeared on my home page and kept my attention through the whole video, just subscribed, incredible work and I wish my uncle knew english just to share this amazing analysis with him
@opticalip1
@opticalip1 2 жыл бұрын
Also for the stress test, i think using weight and gradually adding them on would be a bit better. E.g. start with decent amount, wait 5-10 mins to see changes, add an additional set amount, wait, repeat till it breaks.
@andreguimaraes4355
@andreguimaraes4355 4 жыл бұрын
I know the video is already two months old, but I wanted to add an observation here. I researched a lot of mechanical properties of 3D printed materials during college and even published a paper about it, so the reason the horizontal screw can handle much more wight is because the raster lines of the layers are aligned with the force applied to the screw. I would like to see you testing again but with the screw been held in the horizontal not the vertical, as the main force been applied in the screw would be shear force not simple tensile pull. I bet the vertical screw would fare much better in this scenario. Sorry if I misspelled something, English is not my primary language. Great work and great video!
@JamesFraley
@JamesFraley 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. The first I’ve seen on how printing orientation effects and objects drinks. Very very interesting.
@Sc0ttPrian
@Sc0ttPrian 2 жыл бұрын
wow... thats how easy it is to make a thread in fusion.... I remember spending about 30 minutes in inventor trying to make threads to work, including crashes. Thanks!
@agg42
@agg42 4 жыл бұрын
I learned more than print orientation. Calculate twice, measure once. Great video!
@markpetrov3305
@markpetrov3305 4 жыл бұрын
The Russian saying translates to measure twice and cut once. But i like the way you used it in this video as an example.
@mrmurpleqwerty4838
@mrmurpleqwerty4838 2 жыл бұрын
The bolt printed vertically is an example of this saying by the legendary CGP Gray: "Solutions which are: - The first thing you think of, and; - Look sensible, and; - Are easy to implement; Are often: - Terrible; - Ineffective solutions"
@vidangosa
@vidangosa 4 жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias por el video, sinceramente no había pensado en que, la posición de impresión podía afectar la resistencia de la pieza. Saludos de Bolivia.
@NayagarhSensei
@NayagarhSensei 4 жыл бұрын
lesson learnt measure once calculate twice , great effort by you to demonstrate that horizontal printing is best .
@mechadense
@mechadense 4 жыл бұрын
As a note: For the shear test of the horizontally printed screw there are two possible layer orientations in the test rig that may behave quite differently.
@Yoshi-sp
@Yoshi-sp 2 жыл бұрын
Wow... Thanks for your efforts demonstrating this. I have troubles printing vertical bolts but now I have a clear idea on what to do the next time. New subscriber here!
@wirosk2916
@wirosk2916 4 жыл бұрын
What if, you print the threads to nominal (or +0.1mm) size and then heat the threading die to 80C (into PLA glass transition). Will it smooth out the surface when "cleaning the threads" or is it possible that the heat will somewhat compress the threadform with the die into correct shape.
@mykehdoom
@mykehdoom 2 жыл бұрын
The Horizontal position makes sense if you think about the way the layers are printed. the weak points wouldn't be where the layers are placed like in the other positions. You're pulling along the layer lines instead of between them.
@sledzeppelin
@sledzeppelin 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this test! I'd been wondering about this.
@suntan8655
@suntan8655 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Very informative. A note on screws or bolts to be used for shear loads is to have an unthreaded shank.
@vincentnguyen386
@vincentnguyen386 4 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of stuff i want to see, exactly what i lay thinking about in bed.
@marcai0000
@marcai0000 2 жыл бұрын
Szimpatikus, hogy angolul csinálod a videóid így több embert elérve! Nagyon informatív videó volt, köszi a munkát!:)
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 2 жыл бұрын
Köszi
@joaoclaudios.freire2132
@joaoclaudios.freire2132 2 жыл бұрын
Boa tarde! Esses testes que você fez são muito interessantes, pelo menos para mim! Parabéns!
@d34d10ck
@d34d10ck 2 жыл бұрын
You should be happy about the results. You've found a way to make much stronger bolts than you could before. You can still make them the way you used to if they are adequate for the job, but now you have the option to make stronger ones as well.
@franziskusherzog4633
@franziskusherzog4633 4 жыл бұрын
It's all about the linear printed macromolecules. you can find the same effect in wood :)
@jasond.valentine5931
@jasond.valentine5931 4 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what you just said, but have my like.
@CarthagoMike
@CarthagoMike 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had not expected that outcome, good to know!
@creativecityis
@creativecityis 4 жыл бұрын
Ratcheting strap, like used to tie down stuff on a roof rack.
@SameerMorar
@SameerMorar 4 жыл бұрын
An alternative to using supports for the horizontally printed bolts would be to print bolts in two half-pieces, and either gluing them, or just using the compression from the nut to keep the two halves together. It may be worth testing this concept out to see if there is improved strength and this idea provides a reasonable compromise to obtain some of the benefit of the horizontal print without the additional support requirement.
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I got this suggestion few times, definitely I will test it in near future. Thanks
@OneMinuteWorkbench
@OneMinuteWorkbench 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@TanyaHakala
@TanyaHakala 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! This is an instance where I could see the value of using filament meant for printing support material, in addition to the filament that you are using for your bolt.
@seagie382
@seagie382 2 жыл бұрын
Have you done this with resin
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, there is very minimal difference there
@seagie382
@seagie382 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyTechFun In terms of strength? Have you tried Siraya Tech blu or esun hard tough? I've heard there are some ways to mix the resin so you can get superior strength out of (and no layer adhesion issues!)
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, tested, here is the SLA related list www.mytechfun.com/videos/sla_3d_printing
@seagie382
@seagie382 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyTechFun sweet!
@Dr_KW
@Dr_KW 2 жыл бұрын
Really nicely presented results that anyone designing 3D printed parts / enclosures should consider. In my experience, the engineers designing some of these parts, even in commercial applications sometimes forget the very fundamentals and cut corners in design to save filament/ time / revisions..
@skipabeat4504
@skipabeat4504 4 жыл бұрын
Alt title "why vertically printed bolts suck"
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
True, but I am testing reinforced bolts printed vertically. Interesting results so far. I will publish my results here soon..
@tes_la
@tes_la 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video! So interesting for such theme. Keep making good content and your channel will raise. 100k I believe!
@foenerrooo
@foenerrooo 4 жыл бұрын
who needs to use weights for testing when you're a russian mad lad who's willing to use himself as the main testing equipment
@user-Chikotillo
@user-Chikotillo 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to confirm that I was right about positioning, I experienced issues with parts being printed vertically, they would brake very easy because of the way i lt was printed, only horizontally i get the best results when it comes to sturdiness of the parts... Of course not every part, some of them better vertically, anyway Thanks for the great video!!! You did excellent work man!
@zacksrandomprojects9698
@zacksrandomprojects9698 2 жыл бұрын
Im not gonna watch a 19 minute video, but Im assuming the horizontal bolt would be stronger because if it was printed vertical the layers of material it was made from would seperate easier.
@fisherman3869
@fisherman3869 4 жыл бұрын
The montages brought me back to the days of how it’s made.
@nbalagopal
@nbalagopal 4 жыл бұрын
Great experiment! Please wear a helmet next time though.. :)
@dadmezz4024
@dadmezz4024 4 жыл бұрын
Great job! Try stepping on a loop when doing the tensile test may be safer. Don< want you to get hurt,pls.
@KnightoftheSorryFace
@KnightoftheSorryFace 4 жыл бұрын
I thought he was about to advertise something to me when he turned around at the start
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
I am advertising a horizontally printed bolts ;-)
@jojoecr7626
@jojoecr7626 2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting, very useful, I will never print a volt in a non horizontal way if I can avoid it. It also makes me think a lot about other 3d printing uses and how the grain affects integrity in different in directions.
@МаксимКузнецов076
@МаксимКузнецов076 4 жыл бұрын
The best bolt printed on a 3D printer is a bolt turned on a lathe
@WickedDEbeats
@WickedDEbeats 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh. that turn around introduction was the strongest part of this video.
@the23er
@the23er 4 жыл бұрын
I am suprised at the strength of the bolts in general. Did not expect that. Good video, clean method.
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
That was pleasant surprise to me too. M6 holding 110 kg.. impressive
@pinecedar180
@pinecedar180 2 жыл бұрын
The conclusion is to eat more salads
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 2 жыл бұрын
I do, definitely as addition to my main meal :-)
@hobocraft0
@hobocraft0 2 жыл бұрын
Vert, Horz, Diag Pulling test: Vert 105KG Horz >140KG Diag 109KG Shear: Vert 123KG Horz >142KG Diag >142KG Torque Vert 2.6Nm Horz 5.2Nm Diag 2.7Nm
@blenderbuch
@blenderbuch 4 жыл бұрын
Use a pulley :)
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
I am building tensile test machine Arduino based. Until that I will use my weight ;-)
@seran-nei227
@seran-nei227 4 жыл бұрын
For the first 2 tests I would have suggested using a hand cable winch for 1. Higher range for weight simulation and 2. Safety. My old metal shop used them for testing smaller metal bolts.
@MyTechFun
@MyTechFun 4 жыл бұрын
solved, in my latest video you can see my new testing setup. up to 500 kg
@bromstewart8560
@bromstewart8560 4 жыл бұрын
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