The Power Grid PROBLEM No One Saw Coming with EVs Going Mainstream |

[@OweEyeSea]

"... I kind of break wind ..." - ok, completely taken out of context, but I still got a laugh when Ricky said that.

[@mikesevgarage]

A collab of two of my favorite KZbinrs! Thank you to you both 😊

[@jjamespacbell]

While power lines can and have been a problem with starting fires, the known causes of the fires have been arsonists, fires from homeless encampments that got out of control, and one house fire that spread to neighborhoods. All of these fires were exasperated by massive wind gusts and very low humidity.

[@dobsonimages]

I believe the Eaton fire is being investigated as a fire that may have started by a failed transmission line maintained by Southern California Edison.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You mean "Some other known causes"? ALL causes should be addressed and decentralising the grid is one method.

[@shannon6876]

Real candles work when the power goes out. Thus, I have several in storage, because hurricanes happen.

[@muskrat3291]

No hurricanes where I live but I keep a couple of phone chargers fully charged along with some LED lights with USB connectors that plug into the chargers. Brighter and safer than candles.

[@matthewslome4786]

I hope that he does a video about the vistera battery Fire at moss landing

[@machoopichoo2]

Worth noting California's 2022 Building Energy Efficiency Standards (Title 24), doesn't ban gas hookup, but strongly discourages it. It's correct that most builders are avoiding it because of cost. Also, some municipalities, like Berkeley, require all new builds to have heat pumps only.

[@CarlosTorres-dq2sq]

Thanks, can’t wait for Tesla to do bi-directional electron flow 🙏🙏, FYI I know CyberTruck does

[@FutureAzA]

They just have to say some point.

[@AussieBobL]

I’ve tried a V2L adapter on my MY but it didn’t work.

[@davidwatkins622]

Tesla needs to make it's cars do - Vehicle to Home.

[@machoopichoo2]

Cybertruck does. Tesla needs to make more LFP battery cars to do it properly/fully.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Distant renewable electricity is grid electricity. That is why all distant renewables solar PV farms did not reduce California electricity costs. New grid into existing national grid is just more grid costs. Grid owners must have a return on investment, ROI. $kWh. 😮 Electricity generation plants cannot load follow because of thermal stress and the massive size of the spinning mass, grow up this is obvious. 😮

[@Granddude1060]

I am just north of Vancouver BC and have a 10kWDC solar array. Even here I can generate most of my own power. Plus I have TOU rates that reward me for night charging my BEV. My solar generated 36kWh yesterday - in January, 407kWh this month so far. Solar and incentives for night charging can really help the grid. Residential battery storage could further optimize this.

[@jebes909090]

and then what happens in 10 years when the whole system needs to be replaced?

[@andrewjoy7044]

@@jebes909090 Quality Solar panels have a 25 year guarantee that they will still be generating 80% of their original capacity. So Granddude will still be able to generate 8Kw after 10 years and if the degredation rate remains the same 6.4 Kw after 50 years. I have no idea where you get 10 years from.

[@jebes909090]

@@andrewjoy7044 the battery

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

~15:00 If you think natural gas is bad, there are many people who remember when town gas had not yet been replaced by natural gas. Now THAT is some nasty stuff-at least I'm told, but I never experienced it, growing up in the Fifties. Yes, candles SUCK. I hunted down and removed every single one of mine in early 2018, right after using them during a blizzard that caused a power outrage, and seeing how poorly they did.

[@afdave7]

Love BOTH of these dudes!!

[@jamesdubben3687]

The Pacific DC intertie also called path 65 would be an interesting topic to cover. I didn't know we had HVDC for power lines in the US since the 1970s.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Rapid charging will be on the main roads and at corner stores and shopping centre car parks if needed.

[@Dularr]

Thanks for the video. A few points. States that send renewable energy to California, burn natural gas at home. If your battery farms are recharging using natural gas, it's likely the price of natural gas colapsed. Making it cheaper to recharge with a gas turbine than buy solar off the spot market.

[@Truthtoat]

Excellent Collaboration 👍

[@gcauldwell]

1:56 - LAS-bound flight went down when carrier used standard pax & baggage AVERAGES, instead of acting on destination numismatic trade show (dealers’ carry-ons stuffed with more metal than underwear)

[@rhiantaylor3446]

A major risk is that as people are able to self-generate with solar PV, they reduce the revenue taken by the main generators yet still expect to be able to draw power at the very peak times that create the need for generation investment.

[@billb4930]

I know in CA they shut various lines down during the high winds due to spark risk during the recent fire episodes. This likely impacted long-distance power transmission from CA. This might explain the shift in the mix to natural gas from solar for customers outside of CA

[@gowanduff7501]

Great, This is an international problem. See Octopus energy in UK.

[@billb4930]

One remaining concern I have for a grid that becomes overwhelmingly solar and wind driven is what will happen during Black Swan events like prolonged forest fires or volcanic eruptions? Battery storage will sustain us for localized and/or multi day disruptions, but what if solar was significanly impeded for a week or more across a large geography? Something like the Mt Saint Helen's eruption. Will we really need to have hugely expensive natural gas plants sitting idle the vast majority of the time to use in these rare scenarios?

[@joecushman6030]

I spent my entire working career in the HVAC industry both residential and commercial and I spent most of my time trash talking heat pumps. This year I installed a heat pump in my own home because technology has caught up and made it an advantage. Dollars to btu down to 45 degrees is actually cheaper than gas, below 45 the balance goes the other way. Coupled with the fact that Comed in northern Illinois gave me a $1200 rebate and will get a $600 energy tax credit made it a no brainer.

[@GerbenWulff]

How can nobody see this coming when people have been screaming about this for years?

[@FutureAzA]

A fine question. I have people asking me about things I've made ten videos explaining. Just the nature of information I suppose.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

they saw it, but when it comes to grid expansion NIMBY is the word.

[@DanielWillis-q2g]

About 25 years ago when my baby brother was in university, he came home from school one day and the house next door was gone. Gas explosion. His apartment had melted siding but the entire gas house was gone.

[@FutureAzA]

Wow! Terrifying.

[@salibaba]

I can’t wait to see the needle move on diesel consumption. I also wonder how close we could be to having electric freight (all kinds, sea, barges, rail, road) displacing air freight.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Get all the homes into offgrid. Grids are extremely expensive to EXPAND the first national grid constructed over the last century and for $TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS.

[@alanwardrop9575]

Provide ev charging at work during the day. That will use the extra power from solar panels that is currently being curtailed.

[@stevensparks3359]

I finally got on Tesla's Virtual Power Plant (VPP) in California. It took 2 years and lots of emails and calls, however none of those helped. Tesla never figured out why I was not being invited to participate in the VPP, it just came up on my app one day. Also, I haven't been paid (VPP ends in late Fall, and should be paid in Jan). Guess I will just wait... All that said, it is very seamless when VPP event occurs.

[@machoopichoo2]

Small vertical wind turbines on commercial buildings, like large warehouses, can work well.

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Expensive. Very long ROI.

[@machoopichoo2]

​@@TomTom-cm2oq Evidence is hard to come by, so it's difficult to say. You may well be correct, though. "A study published in the Journal of Building Design and Environment examined the integration of 40 small-scale IceWind Turbines into an existing building at Istanbul Airport in Turkey. The simulation results indicated a 9.3% reduction in the building's total energy consumption. However, the study did not provide specific financial metrics or ROI calculations, making it challenging to assess the economic feasibility of such installations." I think the same could be said of a bunch of other building efficiency measures but there are more than just ROIC considerations.

[@chlistens7742]

At least as we transition i can see many very good reasons to have a outdoor cook strove or such. I also know it will take time to convert everything. as for emergency candles.. yep i have some... same ones (literally) i have had for 20+years. i would say 30+ years but there was a multi day outage years ago and we burned some of them.. and i think we burned 1 or 2 last year... it is nice for an emergency and it is already here so it costs nothing to use (in face you can find many cheap candles out there that will have a 30+ year shelf life. myself i have a electric up to 1 qt water boiler.. very low power to use in an outage i can use one of my small portable battery's to use its inductive headed so i can heat up just the amount of water i need for coffee or tea or even cup of soup or such. both myself and my wife are disabled so i have water and just add water foods so i can cook them when she cant. as for power it is not 1 solution but hundreds... in 100 years it will be a new hundreds of things to solve whatever issue. as for Virtual power plants.. they are a great way for the electric company to solve its problem while it makes money and charges everyone who dose not have a VPP. but the important thing for us is that it solves a problem

[@bvalantinas]

I compare rooftop solar with the advent of satellite dish technology that I observed over the years, from the 8' behemoths that first appeared in the far suburbs, to the 5' dishes appearing by the hundreds, and now, the ubiquitous 18" dishes you see everywhere. Soon to be replaced by flat Skylink style panels. It seems rooftop solar is at the 5' dish stage now. Useful, doable, but big, unsightly and a "project". I'm surprised integrating PV with roofing materials hasn't developed more by now. Tesla's not moving the needle and I haven't heard anything new from GAF either. Any idea what's holding up progress? I'd think relatively low efficiencies would be fine if the added cost over traditional materials were paid back in a few years.

[@dyemanoz]

With smart software to manage and control charging, EV's can be part of the solution to manage and optimise energy use in the grid. An example of a product that does this is a product called Charge HQ. (I use it, but have no affiliation with the developer...)

[@roxter299roxter7]

If the duck. I’ve is a real thing, then it will probably flatten out over time if most charging takes place over night.

[@michaelwilliams6784]

Saying that the power loss of a 1000 mile transmission line is 5 or 6 percent fails to mention the multiple transformer losses and distribution losses before the power actually gets to the residential customer. Total I squared r losses are more like 50% by the time we get our power. This is pure math. Excellent show though. You are two of my favorite guys.

[@FutureAzA]

It doesn't. That's the full transmission loss.

[@dannyboy2522-q7d]

Ok so I live in an older home that came with a gas pack . Very expensive to replace. I also need a good emergency backup heat source when the power goes out and it does I'm my area at times. I'm looking at a no ac gas heater as an emergency heat source. Very inexpensive. Be cautious about mandating no natural gas. There are millions like me.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

20million California vehicles with massive battery parked 23hrs every day and all night long with v2g technology and selfplug-in selfparking and always filling up daily when rooftop PV is oversupplying. Trickle daily currents is perfect from a $60 wall plug at every car park space. Bumper plug-in. Ezi pezi daytrading electricity if wanted. Most vehicles drive building to building. Most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day and all night long. Most building rooftop are perfect for PV. Rooftop PV shades hot roofs. Battery Vehicles, BEVs, are brilliant technology, imported petroleum is reduced, imported grid electricity is reduced, imported natural gas is reduced. State energy independence is perfect in a sunny state. 🌞 😊😊😊 A little fossil fueled energy midwinter is nothing for the climate CO2 matter.

[@jebes909090]

califonia has less than 2 million evs

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@jebes909090 you need to know where you are going. As battery vehicles become more popular, then everything changes. The Ford model T production line ran for 20years and horse meat was cheap. Everything changed.

[@SynergyDMS]

Totally! Worth emphasizing that our consumption follows us in our EV to some extent. Turn on our equipment when when we get to work, our cooker and TV when we get home. Such a localised VPP would help mitigate against the delays and cost involved in upgrading the grid. Tesla is in a unique position to push this forward quickly, if only they would.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@SynergyDMS well said

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@SynergyDMS Tesla is looking to introduce v2g this year, he said in a recent video. I think that selfplug-in bumper to $60 wall outlet and trickle currents would be perfect. Just my comment about range anxiety, with v2g any BEV, could get another BEV to a nearby rapid charger with a quick top up on the side of the road first.

[@dobsonimages]

Contact Brandon Rittman an ABC 10 reporter who did the series Fire Power and Money and interview him on how California has no desire to hold PG&E accountable for their incompetence. To top it all off the CPUC passed a bill a couple of years ago that any new solar installations will receive only 2.9 cents per kWh for the homeowners excess power while under the old plan homeowners were paid 30 cents per kWh. California used to be the leader in Solar incentives, time to let Tesla take over.

[@gregbailey45]

With Autobidder, YOU become the wholesaler in competition with the big boys. Don't expect them to like it!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗 LOCALIZING IS A KEY 🔑 TO THE FUTURE ⚡️⚡️⚡️

[@fwskungen208]

Remember Norway Basically don't have Gas infrastructure for use in houses

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Do the maths battery vehicles, BEVs, topped up at home or work office carpark rarely need rapid charging. Simple observation, simple engineering stuff. 7kwh is the avg daily drive. Building carpark to building carpark. Do the engineering fact checking calculations, ezi pezi. Solve the right problem. 😮

[@glike2]

Rickey is wrong on underground power lines earthquake risk. Underground lines always have many spread out vaults with strain relief junctions. The underground lines themselves can stretch. Riskier fault line crossing can be engineered to be 100% safe.

[@Rob_Womack]

Thanks guys!

[@dr-k1667]

Banning things usually comes when the better option is already apparent but adoption is taking a bit longer than they would like. The last thing we have in our home is a gas water heater. That is going to be the last gasp of gas in our home that now has an electric stove, car and lawn equipment. I will never go back!

[@kimollivier]

Cars do not dominate domestic power. We have small chargers. They do not dominate energy use either, it is hard to see the change. We have two EVS. You are exaggerating.

[@FutureAzA]

They don't today, but as adoption climbs, we'll need to get smarter to prevent the need to overbuild.

[@deanfw252]

Very satisfying to see (HV)DC coming back in favor and for good reason! Micro-grids built out like cellular network, brain synapses is the way...

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Gas appliances are additional costs to be replaced if all electrical is the go. 😊

[@travisr70]

Love 2 bit and future !!! Great collaboration!

[@FutureAzA]

Ricky has been doing such amazing work for so long. So lucky to have him on.

[@keithnance4209]

Solar roofs and Megapacks for well used super chargers…this helps offset usage!

[@Withnail1969]

Not going to happen

[@keithnance4209]

@ of course it will. Its inevitable.

[@machoopichoo2]

I suspect BEVs will be a bigger part of. storage than residential stationary storage but it all helps.

[@machoopichoo2]

@@Withnail1969 AI usage will demand this.

[@Withnail1969]

@@machoopichoo2 Paid for by?

[@gmmaupin]

I live in a small city in Ohio. It has a government run municipal utility. They can legally prevent be from having grid connected solar...so they don't permit anyone to have solar. I drive an EV and would never go back to gasoline. I'd really like to have solar on my home to help with electricity. Most EVs are charged at home, so permitting/encouraging home solar could go a long way to reduce the demand on the grid to charge EVs. But, I live in a Republican area. They don't want any electricity that is NOT generated. by coal.

[@FutureAzA]

Very frustrating.

[@machoopichoo2]

I don't really see the difference between upgrading the grid and the Eisenhower interstate highway system initiative. It's a huge project but it's needed anyway and it will create millions of good jobs. In addition, the decentralization of power supply and storage (primarily in BEVs but also home stationary storage), will transform how the grid operates. Worth noting that existing infrastructure can be upgraded with lighter and stronger cables that can carry more electricity, which removes permitting and NIMBY issues.

[@FutureAzA]

The difference is the lack of political will, sadly.

[@machoopichoo2]

@@FutureAzA True enough but lets hope the massive demand increases, ironically lire a fire under the politicians.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

MIGHT be possible IF you had both Politicians willing to work for "Legacy" projects over a Generation, rather than the most efficient way to fill their "campaign coffers" over 4 years..... And if you had a system not "staying alive" by printing money.

[@machoopichoo2]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Despite all its problems the Big Dig was completed over many years. AI and the tech bros will be the forcing function for the overhaul of the grid, not BEVs.

[@machoopichoo2]

@@FutureAzA True. I think AI and the powerful tech industry will make this happen. They need enormous amounts of power.

[@ctuna2011]

PGE is passing there law suit costs onto there customers and trying to kill Home Solar while there at it.

[@alexfodor8066]

I find the worry over the impact of EV's on the grid ridiculous. Sure, if everyone got an EV on the same day the grid would crash. But that won't happen. It is no different than Air Conditioning. When home air conditioning became available if everyone had installed an AC unit on the same day the grid would have collapsed. But everyone did not get AC on the same day and everyone will not get an EV on the same day. As people transition to EV's the electric companies will recognize the increased demand and build additional capacity. Why? Because there is money to be made supplying the electricity to charge those cars.

[@woolfel]

I get the title is clickbait. Plenty of people saw the power grid wasn't going to be sufficient to handle massive electric charging. It's just the government can't turn on a dime and permitting is a slow snails progress.

[@machoopichoo2]

Worth noting that upgrading the wires on existing infrastructure can make a big impact. That eliminates permitting and NIMBY issues. The government could ease up permitting and use eminent domain, as this is critical for BEVs and AI.

[@jeffreymckie3328]

Let’s not forget petrol products don’t grow on trees either. Nhtsa data says one gal. Of gas requires a quantity of 11 kWh of energy to refine and repeatedly transport to a filling station. Also people always have to go to a gas station ev’s charge at home 95% of the time. 11 kWh will propel my ev further than a gal. Of gas propels an average ice vehicle.

[@ChuckHolland-i4b]

I cant beleive NOBODY saw this coming? Give me a break. Duh....

[@DR.LingeringFrey]

We have power companies that function for profit. Regardless of if that is the best choice for a country, people will often forget that the growing electricity demands means: more customers buying more product. They will be excited to meet demand. We just need to get them to spend money maintaining their infrastructure. Monopoly capitalism requires heavy government involvement in the market to produce good results for society.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Not "Maintaining their infrastructure".... Changing their infrastructure to a type less vulnerable to decay and resistant to external interference SHOULD be the priority.

[@Richard-cq4kv]

Elon said, "However much electricity you think you need, you need more, a lot more".

[@FutureAzA]

Sounds right

[@rogerstarkey5390]

But he didn't say "Because of EVs"

[@Richard-cq4kv]

@rogerstarkey5390 why did he say it then?

[@davidhuber6251]

I like having the choice between gas and electric for now. Eventually gas should get more expensive than electric, easier for me to switch to electric from gas than vice-versa. I would be in heaven if I could go off grid with solar and batteries.

[@jebes909090]

i think you got that backwards

[@davidhuber6251]

@@jebes909090 You could be right. I'm an electrician, so the wiring part just seems easier to me than the plumbing part. I hate plumbing.

[@jebes909090]

@davidhuber6251 theres with ev's AND ai, electricity prices will probably start to spike up. AI especially. Microsoft bought a power plant 😅😅😅

[@richbl1690]

The easiest thing that I can think of is utilizing all the real estate that's not being utilized, buildings and what we're living in it's called houses use the rooftops. Use the money that they're using to build Peaker plants and pay people to use their rooftops for solar and Powerwall's for storage. That should be sufficient to lessen the load. They're generating power for their own homes plus putting power back into the grid. I'm in Georgia and I sell excess power back to the grid.

[@machoopichoo2]

I live in Toronto Canada and the f-ing provincial government is spending $10B on peaker plants because a lot of our nuclear has been neglected and is offline for upgrades. That $10B will become stranded assets if the gov. doesn't fight renewables. What a stupid approach.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

If you can reduce the external power requirement of "A Home" by...... 50%(?) that's a LOT of Peaker plant capacity no longer required.

[@abvideos2197]

Bro, are you really afraid of candles???

[@aerojet393]

Thank you for being observant about electrical issues and EV’s. BUT, if you want to know the real information you have to go to the people with the data . electronic power research institute EPRI , they have the data ! Of course the current infrastructure can’t handle all the cars if they were electric. It will take as long as replacing all the cars too !

[@batchint]

how do fire departments do containment in times of change they give children fountains

[@simonpannett8810]

What about the efficiency savings from using Heat Pumps in homes?? This should reduce house Energy demands and same with Industry!

[@greatcondor8678]

Can't believe you're shaming people for using gas cookstoves and enjoying candle lit dinners. Shame on you for eating meat.

[@westcoast8562]

@@greatcondor8678 IF YOU LOOK AT CHEMICAL REACTIONS FROM THE COMBUSTION OF GAS APPLIANCES OR FROM CANDLES YOU WILL FIND TOXIC IRRITANTS. HOW MUCH YOU INTAKE WILL VARY ON ALOT OF THINGS. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT YOU ARE INHALING SECOND HAND SMOKE

[@franciscog9635]

If Aptera makes it, and if it sells like the VW Beetle, power grids all over will get a break.

[@FutureAzA]

That's a lot of ifs.

[@MH-Tesla]

Trump keeps taking about wind power being the most expensive and on on on. I'd love to see a video that addresses the cost/kwh and life time costs and end of life. Just curious. Elon only talks about solar and never wind as well. Tony Seba I don't recall taking about wind but I could have missed it.

[@FutureAzA]

Search up "LCOE by energy source" and you'll see the charts. Wind and solar are both extremely cost competitive.

[@MH-Tesla]

@FutureAzA thanks

[@dobsonimages]

Tesla should be given the power to manage all the grid that PG&E controls no doubt the grid would be more reliable than if PG&E still owns the grid. The only smart thing PG&E has done is hire Tesla do install a lot of Megapacks to power the grid. If Tesla was in charge of the transmission lines that powered Paradise the town would have never been destroyed by a corrupt corporation and 84 people would still be alive.

[@FlorestanTrement]

The thing is, electrosensitivity is not a legend. Still, it seems no one study the effect of 3kW worth of wave energy in your face for several minutes when cooking. I at least know past 10 minutes tending to my pan's content, this will give me lasting headaches. Don't speak about nocebo, here, it took me a decade to realize where these came from, as there where other appliances with the same effects I had to hunt down: fluorescent bulbs, most led bulbs and electric heating had the same effect. I had none of these headaches for years, now. These are dangerous. The fact they don't hurt you doesn't imply they have no effect on your health. Now, maybe they don't, but isn't it worth at least checking?

[@FutureAzA]

Beyond my scope of research.

[@FlorestanTrement]

@@FutureAzA I meant scientific research, not investigative ones.

[@geob3963]

Doomed, disruptive, pants down, condemned, collapsed, unhealthy, reason for concern, all within the first minute of the interview. Propaganda, people, propaganda.

[@FutureAzA]

Gotta post those kinds of silly comments on channels where engineers don't hang out. Everyone here sees through it.

[@geob3963]

@@FutureAzA who’s your sponsor?

[@quimbydaddy5392]

The library story is an urban legend - google it (like I just did)

[@RunQC]

Finally exposed the Semi as useless…..300 houses per truck…..a trucking company can have up to 100’s at a location.

[@FutureAzA]

Gotta understand the math first, my friend. Those are both peak figures, but it still misses the point. It takes 5kWh to refine a gallon of diesel fuel. That's to say nothing of the mining and transportation energy costs. Dino juice is loaded to the nips with inefficiencies.

[@RunQC]

@@FutureAzA Got to understand that a large trucking company must charge at all times of day and night so the peak numbers claim is dishonest. Dino juice is cheaper because the cars are thousand of dollars less to buy and even better if the government subsidies are taken away. On an even playing field it's not even close. An equivalent Gas car can be $10-15K less to buy, have a 5 year warranty so with normal driving ranges the break even never happens....and does not require hundreds of billions of dollars to upgrade a grid. Im laughing out loud that you think mining and shipping rocks and minerals is less expensive.....bet you didn't know it takes 500k lbs of rock just to get the minerals for one car.

[@aerojet393]

Thank you for being observant about electrical issues and EV’s. BUT, if you want to know the real information you have to go to the people with the data . electronic power research institute EPRI , they have the data ! Of course the current infrastructure can’t handle all the cars if they were electric. It will take as long as replacing all the cars too ! So to say no one saw this coming is a completely and inaccurate statement

[@frenchydampier2209]

Nonsense. Solar panels are adding a lot of local electric generation. 95% of charging is done at home. The electricity used by gas stations exceeds that of the Chargers.

[@Inspace_noone_can_hear_u_honk.]

Oooo… another great guest to add to your collection. Thanks Brian!

[@laughinggas5281]

No one ever mentions geothermal

[@FutureAzA]

It's about 1/3rd of 1% of global energy.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

All generation is dirt cheap. 5cents kWh The grid is 40cents to 50cents kWh. This fact helps you to think about all rooftops with PV panels.

[@stanmitchell3375]

Burning firewood would have been better, instead of waiting for it the forest fires

[@FutureAzA]

The most recent fire wasn't in a forest. I don't think homeowners are clamoring for someone to let them chop down the trees in their yard for firewood.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Lets have factual conversation, FORGET grid 5% loss of dirt cheap electricity. The new grid capacity is horrendously expensive. HORRENDOUSLY expensive. So horrendously expensive the grid was NEVER built with spare capacity. $6billion a GW is dirt cheap generation compared to the size of the new grid capacity that has to be built to transmit to millions and millions of customers. 😊😊😊😊

[@MagnumiPad]

Ai is going crate a lot of load. There is. A lot of talk about Nuclear.

[@westcoast8562]

@@MagnumiPad THE BIG AI WILL HAVE THERE OWN POWER PLANTS BUILT BY THE COMPANIES AND SHAREHOLDERS AND CONSUMERS OF THOSE PRODUCTS

[@74ventura11]

I think california is out of its mind!

[@deanfw252]

@TwoBitDaVinci speaking of moving around power kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZofEqIaEqcyniNEsi=03i6utZysbEPwOay

[@pluto5448]

Do you think the EV subsidy will be moved to a solar system subsidy at all?

[@FutureAzA]

That would be too separate things. I haven't seen any push for a solar subsidy, so my guess is not that.

[@ChuckHolland-i4b]

Hey. Windmills are going to save us.

[@FutureAzA]

You're an odd duck.

[@douggolde7582]

Ricky is going to feel butt hurt over all clean natural gas Trump is going to make available.

[@swhbpocl]

Clean?

[@westcoast8562]

NATURAL GAS IS NOT CLEAN NOR RENEWABLE

[@gpsfinancial6988]

How is Trump going to do that? Biden got more oil pumped in USA than Trump did.

[@douggolde7582]

@ The combustion products of a natural gas (methane, CH₄) and air flame are Carbon Dioxide (CO₂) and Water Vapor (H₂O). If you’re worried about your health stop using Teflon.

[@andrewradford3953]

Burning anything isn't clean or smart.

[@jamesdubben3687]

Infrastructure: cross your fingers and toes every time you go over a bridge for the next 4 years in the good old US of A.

[@FutureAzA]

We're so far overdue for some serious upgrades.

[@dbmn7571]

Just the description you use of "EV transition" assumes you know what's going to happen in the future...and you don't. At least in the USA, EV mandates at the federal level are going away and were the primary driver of the EV's success as well as the EV tax credits...also going away. The reason for brownouts is not having adults planning for the future and instead relying on children that are tied to government handouts and regulations that make people feel good. To provide RELIABLE power for the people/businesses in the USA we need coal, natural gas, hydro and nuclear. The USA should NOT attempt to put wind/solar/batteries as the top power source in the USA. Go ahead in Brazil, Norway, South Africa ect...The USA needs reliable, low-cost energy and renewables are NOT it. Again, get adults in the room that don't make important decisions based on feelings from Gretta Thunberg and environmentalists.

[@westcoast8562]

I GUESS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THAT OIL AND GAS AND COAL HAVE BEEN THE MOST SUBSIDIZED PRODUCTS IN THE HISTORY OF MAN. AND IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WILL BE USED UP IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND A PORTION OF THEIR CHEMICAL MAKE UP WILL BE PRESENT IN OUR ATMOSPHERE FOR UP TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS. ALSO WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IS ABUNDANT, CLEAN , GREEN, RENEWABLE ENERGY IS FREEDOM. SO WIPE THAT OILY, TOXIC, CENTRALIZED, SUBSIDIZED, EXPENSIVE, COMMUNIST THUMBPRINT FROM YOUR FOREHEAD AND BE FREE

[@westcoast8562]

WHAT YOU ALSO DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE OIL GIANTS THEMSELVES UNDERSTAND THAT AN ENERGY TRANSITION TO ELECTRICAL ENERGY IS INEVITABLE .

[@TheLobo91]

The market will move to whatever is cheapest. Solar is by far the cheapest. Oil and coal lost. Natural gas and renewables won.

[@westcoast8562]

YOU OLD MAN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE NEED.

[@westcoast8562]

YOUNG CHILD IT IS TIME FOR YOUR TO GET OFF THE OIL AND GAS TIT AND BE FREE AND THINK FOR YOURSELF RATHER THAN SPEWING THE TOXIC THOUGHTS FROM YOUR BRAIN THAT HAS BEEN POISONED BY THE PROPAGANDA THAT ONLY THE OIL AND GAS PROFITEERS COULD AFFORD TO SPREAD FOR 100 YEARS IN ORDER TO CULTIVATE SUPPORT FROM THE VERY PEOPLE IT PLANS TO OPRESS. APPARENTLY THEY LIVE RENT FREE IN YOUR SHRIVELLED UP TOXIFIED BRAIN.

[@ChuckHolland-i4b]

Bill Gates is turning on Three Mile Island. We are all saved. Hes so stunning and brave.

[@machoopichoo2]

The wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't shine is a BS argument, when batteries are added to the mix. Here's an interesting project, that I am not sure is a good idea or not, where there will be solar generated in Morocco and sent to the UK with high-voltage DC transmission lines. Now, the UK is usually overcast but solar still works in those conditions - it even works with snow on the panels. xlinks.co/

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

*FAST CHARGERS SHOULD BE FINE WITH A MEGAPACK AND SOLAR,,,,NO GRID CONNECTION REQUIRED.*

[@FutureAzA]

That would be inefficient. If you have enough panels to not run out of juice, you'd wind up with surplus the grid would surely appreciate having access to, even if there's a cost.

[@flodjod]

bs it would only happen if it isnt expanded, currently the world over capacity is racing ahead of requirement, plus rooftop solar on dwellings and buildings as compulsory. the need for a grid is reduced. watch and see the grid operators squeal when the need for it reduces

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

*A megapack or two and solar panels on a truck stop and the trucks will pay for the cost of the install after time, no grid connection required.*

[@damanfromtn]

The truck stops better have a huge field for enough panels to supply the many, many watts of power to charge the truck batteries day and night.

[@dobsonimages]

Tesla should be given the power to manage all the grid that PG&E controls no doubt the grid would be more reliable than if PG&E still owns the grid. The only smart thing PG&E has done is hire Tesla do install a lot of Megapacks to power the grid. If Tesla was in charge of the transmission lines that powered Paradise the town would have never been destroyed by a corrupt corporation and 84 people would still be alive.