Myth Busting or Myth Making? Review of "5 Myths about the Bible (and How We Got it)"

Melissa Dougherty and Wesley Huff takes on 5 Myths about the Bible only to end up affirming other myths. Gary Michuta critiques two of their myths (The Council of Nicaea and the canon, The Bible has changed over time and "Catholics have a different Bible than we do").
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[@henrytucker7189]

One of the most devastating things for my Protestant bias was realizing how completely dishonest my side’s scholarship was in dealing with the canon. Total propaganda, easily refuted and just parroting myths

[@hirakisk1973]

Ditto, that was the "first domino" to fall in my departure from Protestantism (it was kind of a tie between the Canon of Scripture and Sola Scriptura). ACTUALLY reading what the early Church Fathers said IN CONTEXT and not just "quote mining".

[@henrytucker7189]

@ right. Athanasius was horribly abused by Protestant apologists.

[@henrytucker7189]

@@Freeman-ub3lj by affirming the communion of saints every week in the Nicene Creed. Heard of it?

[@henrytucker7189]

@@Freeman-ub3lj Going to Catholic school is definitely no guarantee you'll hear anything about the Nicene Creed. LOL. But I'll take your word for it. The doctrine of the Communion of Saints is derived from many Scriptures, including I Cor. 12, Eph. 4, Heb. 12, Rev. 5 and 8, the Gospel passages recording the Mount of Transfiguration encounter with Moses and Elijah, Luke 16, 2 Maccabees 12, etc. All of these passages reinforce the reality that we are all One Body in Christ-- whether we're on earth, heaven, or undergoing purgation. Same Church. Where in Scripture are we told that when believers die, we are no longer part of Christ's body, don't know what's going on, and cease being pray intercessors for our brothers and sisters still on earth?

[@henrytucker7189]

@@Freeman-ub3lj Going to Catholic school is definitely no guarantee you'll hear anything about the Nicene Creed. LOL. But I'll take your word for it. The doctrine of the Communion of Saints is derived from many Scriptures, including I Cor. 12, Eph. 4, Heb. 12, Rev. 5 and 8, the Gospel passages recording the Mount of Transfiguration encounter with Moses and Elijah, Luke 16, 2 Maccabees 12, etc. All of these passages reinforce the reality that we are all One Body in Christ-- whether we're on earth, heaven, or undergoing purgation. Same Church. Where in Scripture are we told that when believers die, they don't know what's going on and cease being pray intercessors for our brothers and sisters still on earth? It seems we have ample evidence from Scripture to the contrary.

[@loulasher]

I suspect Wes was a good student in a prot school who is still more repeating what he was taught than discussing from his own expertise. He took down a gnostic clown and for that the prot youtubers gave him a crown.

[@GodIsAVow]

👏👏👏 Well Said!!!🙏🕊️ God bless you.

[@hiswill-r122]

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better.

[@catholicbiblemansaint9385]

well said!

[@Freeman-ub3lj]

How do you pray to a dead woman and think it isn't breaking the first commandment?

[@loulasher]

@Freeman-ub3lj What Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Oriental Orthodox, thinks blessed Mary mother of God is dead? That lie started with the reformation or in islam or judaism after it rejected Christ and it's religion ended with the temple building's destruction. Was Lazerus dead? Jesus said he was sleeping. Ours is a God of the living. Even in your abridged version of the Bible, you find no reason to think Mary is dead. Why are you not calling her blessed? All generations will call her that. Are you excluding youself?

[@hirakisk1973]

For those that would like an additional rebuttal for Protestants who bring up St. Jerome's "rejection" of the Deuterocanon. St. Jerome was called out for this by St. Rufinus in his work "The Apology of Rufinus, Book 2". 32 "Perhaps it was a greater piece of audacity to alter the books of the divine Scriptures which had been delivered to the Churches of Christ by the Apostles to be a complete record of their faith by making a new translation under the influence of the Jews". 33 "Peter was for twenty-four years Bishop of the Church of Rome. We cannot doubt that, amongst other things necessary for the instruction of the church, he himself delivered to them the treasury of the sacred books, which, no doubt, had even then begun to be read under his presidency and teaching. What are we to say then? Did Peter the Apostle of Christ deceive the church and deliver to them books which were false and contained nothing of truth? Are we to believe that he knew that the Jews possessed what was true, and yet determined that the Christians should have what was false"?

[@39knights]

I know we try to be as christian as possible to people like Melissa and Huff; but they have access to the same information Gary just presented. There is something in their behaviour which draws them away from the truth and towards the untruth. So glad someone like Gary and the other great Catholic apologists are starting to call them out on that. It may seem trivial to some; but there are souls and eternal salvation at stake here too.

[@hirakisk1973]

There is a very large cognitive dissonance. They do look at the same evidence, but have such an investment in their ideas that they can't honestly look at it.

[@StringofPearls55]

Not just Catholic apologists but Orthodox too.

[@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111]

Explain how Cathloics call mary the mother of all life, when it says that's eve's title in the bible? how do you justify worshipping and praying to mary and saints? how can you allow pope to speak on behalf of christ?

[@39knights]

@@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111 Pick one and stick with it. Eve was the original mother of all life; but through her and Adam all humanity was dead in sin. Mary as the New Eve was the new mother of those made alive again through the Son she birthed. Hope that helps.

[@Justin-v1w]

I like how you stay calm, go through the historic documents, and bring out the truth. Good job!

[@camaradd]

Thank you Mr Machuta for this. I wish you will also make a video(s) to address the other 3 claims. It feels like you are being very gracious in calling Wes Huff's misrepresentations "a myth propagation". I hope he see this refutation and does a deeper investigation on the matter for his own edification, and to be truthful as a follower of Jesus Christ, by reading the primary sources instead of merely quoting references/excerpts out of context to re-affirm his Protestant bias. May our Lord Jesus, by the sanctifying power of his Holy Spirit guide us all to the fullness of truth, all true believers in the Ancient Apostolic traditions as well as Protestant Churches. Amen.

[@thecaffeinatedconvert3162]

It is wild to me to hear someone say the reformers wanted to get back to the undisputed canon and then also include hebrews, jude and revelation

[@Sirach_5_11]

I think the majority of protestants are unaware of Luther's antilegomena.

[@JesusChurchBible]

Exactly!

[@MeederTom]

I think Jesus’ half brother Jude deserved to be in it! Sound like a bitter catholic

[@ITMeCE]

Whats wrong with those 3 books..?

[@Sirach_5_11]

@@ITMeCE Martin Luther wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation because he said they were not inspired.

[@HenryBonesJr]

Excellent video! We need a Part 2!

[@kinghalofan]

Thanks for this. I was wondering if the new prot darling was ever gonna get called out. It would be nice if you could debunk the rest of that video.

[@Sirach_5_11]

Lol "prot darling." He is Gavin's twin in my eyes. Hiding lies with a soft tongue.

[@swoosh1mil]

I second this! Mr. Machuta, if you would be so kind and gracious as to please debunk the rest of the video if there is anything else in the video that needs debunking.

[@JesusChurchBible]

She’s a child in Christianity as she was a new age expert for years until she became a Christian maybe a year ago. I’m afraid for the Christ as who follow her. She clearly is still on milk and shouldn’t be followed by most Christian’s.

[@JesusChurchBible]

@@Sirach_5_11😆👍

[@tonyl3762]

Whether it was me who brought this to your attention or not, thanks for taking it on! I left a comment on the video with the evidence Gary is known for.

[@John_Six]

YES FINALLY the person I was waiting for to hear about the canon and Wes. Gary you are the man.

[@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111]

Idolize him too

[@John_Six]

@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111 Aww are your wittle feelings hurt?

[@apocryphanow]

If it had been the Catholic Church that was as inconsistent as to whether the apocrypha were scripture, the Protestants would be quite enthusiastic to use it as evidence against the apocrypha. But when it turns out the inconsistency as to whether the apocrypha are scripture came from Protestant reformers, we're just supposed to overlook it, and pretend Romans 3:2 lists 66 books in the Bible.

[@DRJoe100]

The real question is what did the early church deem scripture before Catholicism was created. It would be nice to have all related historical evidence.

[@faelgrim5130]

@@DRJoe100 Disregarding your false assertion that Catholicism was "created", they considered the Septuagint scripture. The Septuagint contains the 7 Deuterocanon.

[@JesusChurchBible]

@@DRJoe100 The Early Church WAS Catholic. And the Catholic Church is responsible for the New Testament canon and forming the Holy Bible at the Councils or Rome, Hippo and Carthage in 382,393 and 397 AD. Here is some evidence to support my claim about the early church being catholic. Ignatius of Antioch: In his letter to the Smyrnaeans, written around 107 AD (for reference, John the Apostle died around 100 AD.) Ignatius used the term "Catholic Church" to describe the universal church. He wrote, "Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". Polycarp of Smyrna: While Polycarp himself did not use the term directly, his disciple Irenaeus of Lyons, writing in the late 2nd century, referred to the teachings of Polycarp and used the term "Catholic Church" to describe the universal body of believers. Clement of Alexandria: In his writings around 200 AD, Clement of Alexandria used the term "Catholic Church" to distinguish the true church from heretical groups. He emphasized the universality and unity of the church.

[@fantasia55]

​@DRJoe100 The real answer is the Catholic Church determined the biblical canon more than three hundred years after Jesus established the Catholic Church.

[@fantasia55]

​@DRJoe100 The real answer is the Catholic Church predates the biblical canon by more than three centuries.

[@JoshuaBohn-e6q]

Great job, Gary! I really appreciate your work, and commitment to truth. May God continue to bless your ministry.

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Great Mr. Michuta. Hopefully you send them this video that way they get more educated. Send it to both individuals. Thank you. God bless. And God bless the HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. 🔑⛪️🍷🍞✝️🕊📖

[@JesusChurchBible]

We should all go to their video can give them the link!

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

@JesusChurchBible I already sent them that the link. Haha. Hopefully they see it and also the viewers in the comment section. 🙏🏻🔑⛪️🍷🍞✝️🕊🕊

[@TheCrusades1099]

I cannot wait for this. I am getting tired of Wes Huff being able to get off easily of late. May the Lord Jesus Christ, by the power of The Holy Ghost, use YOU, to crush his mouth and all false doctrines coming from him. This Billy thing don't matter, Billy Carson is a lost man, wasn't that hard to beat him! I want a real challenger against him, to show the 'Fullness of Truth' and that the TRIUNE God will not be mocked and bring him and all he leads astray back into the ONE True Church. Thank you for doing this and May God bless you, and all the Saints pray for you. You men are our warriors...You don't just fight for us, but for all! Amen. May the truth be unleashed!!!

[@Triniforchrist]

Exactly 💯 he got a lot of stuff wrong, and was taking sneaking jabs at catholic, which piss me of

[@rufusmazzoli]

'His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.' (Revelation 19:12) Why does Jesus know what the Father does not? Is not God the Father all knowing?

[@sodetsurikomigoshi2454]

no matter how good a debater one might seem to be (as in charlie kirk as well), when one starts defending/explaining protestantism, he devolves into either being nonsensical, or, a downright liar; as in White and Ortlund. And Huff.

[@Sirach_5_11]

If only protestants watched this video or any of Michuta's videos.

[@iwansaputra1890]

he want to solve problem, but he made new dilema poor protestant

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

It's so sad, bc everyone wants to be a Bible scholar. I pray these people will humble themselves to realize the evidence for Apostolic Succession is overwhelming. Please wake up protestants, sola scriptura is unbiblical & all comes from man-made traditions...

[@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111]

Ouf, I wanted to bash you so hard right there, but I won't

[@John_Six]

@THEYDONTKNOWMESON111 Aww, you're one angry person Davidus. Tsk tsk tsk.

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

@John_Six I don't even see that guy comments here. Maybe he deleted them @John

[@John_Six]

@@BYZANTINEFINEST Yeah he said he wanted to punch your face in or something like that lol.

[@derrick7442]

Thanks so much for this video very well documented as always

[@Saul-StPaul]

I appreciate your video in response to that video. The Lord gave us the wisdom and with it comes with responsibility. You have done a phenomenal job explaining and very timely. We must hold true to our faith and help those that may be babes. Pray brothers and sisters that those do not stumble and fall away from the fullness of the truth. The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

[@dukeluke40ful]

Love your videos! Keep up the good work.

[@manny75586]

Thank you. He made many of these claims on Rogan as well. All of which are outside of his area of expertise. But he couches it inside of things he is learned in. It's peak ultracrepidarianism. It's also frankly kind of shady.

[@johnsayre2038]

The desire To have reality presented in a tidy 90° angle frame in purest black and white without any gray Is quite understandable. Looking back it's easier for me to point out What I see now as inaccurate exegesis of scripture, miseadings of history, and logical short comings from the Evangelical upbringing I was given. Hopefully I will be as vigilant to out the like when it happens on my side of the fence now as a Catholic. Appreciate all your work Gary.

[@tonyl3762]

Did this guy even deserve to be on Rogan?

[@shadowsteppah]

No

[@John_Six]

When Rogan called him a "bible expert" I winced.

[@DA-0091]

@@shadowsteppahlook at u ravenous wolves. Pathetic

[@orangesite7625]

If you are taking about rogan even homeless people deserve to be there💀

[@ljnouata9088]

⁠@@John_Six Wes knows more about Greek texts and historical facts, and can read the Greek texts. Can you?

[@Triniforchrist]

Im glad you are doing this, Protestant are acting like he is the second coming 😂😂

[@JesusChurchBible]

😆😅🤣

[@fantasia55]

because they know Protestantism collapses as people realize the Catholic Church determined the biblical canon

[@beefalo37]

This is really well done. Thank you.

[@jordanmiller3927]

Great video, thanks for making this. Would love more videos on Wesley

[@swoosh1mil]

9:42 I’m sorry Mr. Huff, but this was my favorite part. I get it. You’re excited and maybe a bit nervous; but as a scholar you probably should remember that ‘the index’ is located in the back of the book. It’s the ‘Table of Contents’ that’s in the in of front of the book. Carry on!!!

[@carolynschuster291]

Excellent

[@marknovetske4738]

Thanks Gary 😊

[@sodetsurikomigoshi2454]

66 just lacks one more (6). 73 points to three 7's, the number of God. Just saying.

[@JH_Phillips]

Very well done!

[@dailyDorc]

Thank you, Gary! Well done

[@ssChode]

Protestants are strange

[@yingsnnn808]

Excellent work

[@xUncleA123x]

I wouldn't say Protestantism falls, but surely the majority of Protestantism needs to repent from the dismissal of the Apocrypha from the rest of Scripture. Thankfully Messianic Judaism, Nazarene Judaism, and Hebrew Roots Christianity are much more receptive or do fully accept to the Deuterocanon.

[@JesusChurchBible]

According to the Pew Research Center Protestantism in America is falling and Catholicism and Orthodoxy are rising.

[@thefly6537]

the Council of Jerusalem condemned Judaizing heresy so I don't think they're good options either

[@rnhmbover63]

The 3 sects you named have glaring deficiencies elsewhere tbh. Lutherans/Anglicans are far better in terms of being close to the truth.

[@xUncleA123x]

@rnhmbover63 I and my friends are working on fixing MJ and HR. Nazarene Judaism keeps the Lord's own halachah, accepts the Apocrypha, and believes in the full Deity of Messiah, those 3 things are something that a lot of Hebrew Roots and Messianic Judiasm can't claim.

[@xUncleA123x]

@JesusChurchBible Yes, but proving the Apocrypha is Scripture doesn't mean Protestantism falls. Protestantism is based off of many factors, and one they got wrong is Scripture. One they got right, which Catholics generally agree with now is justification.

[@gawnan8066]

Great review

[@bradpiff6836]

Thank you ❤

[@youknowho4439]

*Who will tell my Lord? The Lord himself, the Lord hears me.* God save us all from Remphan and the Antichrist. Yeshua Hamashiach is come in the flesh. Amen.

[@halleylujah247]

Ooooh

[@FreddyMontana69]

Debate with Wes when?!

[@frankovstovski]

Wes is simply defaulting to his Calvinist programming.

[@socalpreston]

Wes is so overrated!

[@TheCrusades1099]

I do not believe overrated is the word; maybe he hasn’t been challenged or pressed enough? He is extremely well spoken, provides clear concise answers, but I think his professionalism stops people from pushing on his “vanilla” nice guy persona?! Just my opinion. God bless

[@socalpreston]

@@TheCrusades1099 "vanilla nice guy" LOL I Iike it. I think Mel Gibson did a much better job on JRE. Check it out!

[@MiguelArmor]

​@@socalpreston Good podcast with Mel Gibson 👌

[@John_Six]

​@@TheCrusades1099He's just like Gavin. Spread lies with a soft tone.

[@Sirach_5_11]

​@@MiguelArmorMel Gibson is a schismatic and showed it in the interview.

[@SKYLENS685]

SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE HATERS BEHIND THE SCREEN. KEEP BARKING CHIHUAHUA.

[@vincentyvaldybueno975]

Debate the guy, test his metal!

[@Triniforchrist]

He already said he is not doing any debate this year

[@GodIsAVow]

Why dont you follow the WORD of GOD Jesus Christ instead of a man who is wrong as well in what he says. 🙏🕊️

[@HenryLeslieGraham]

im getting real tired of protestants like wes just repeating certain evangelical talking points concerning the full canon. even the reformers did not have the temerity to remove the deuterocanon from the bible. evangelicals gonna ?????

[@chrisopperman1226]

You have a lot to say about Wes. Why do you not ask him for a direct interview. It is clear that you are judging him without asking him about it yourself. If you have done your homework on the work of Wes you would not have made these comments. Or are your main purpose sensation and youtube hits.

[@halleylujah247]

I like Wes and Melissa.

[@TheCrusades1099]

I do too, especially Melissa! However, the fullness of the truth is for them too! I pray they see the error in their way and accept the One True Holy Church

[@Sirach_5_11]

I like them, but I hate their lies. I'll be charitable and say they're lying out of ignorance.

[@JesusChurchBible]

Melissa was new age just a year ago and then she immediately became a expert on Christianity. Don’t follow or listen to new converts who don’t know Christianity. Test everything! Education is the cure for Protestantism. 🕊️😃✝️⛪️📖🙏🏼

[@T.Truthtella-n3i]

You like anti Catholic heretics?

[@JesusChurchBible]

@@Sirach_5_11💯

[@TheRyno525]

Actually you are wrong and have never actually read the documents, showing a little snippet of that Jerome quote without it's full context is pretty dishonest making you a liar There is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council. The development of the biblical canon was nearly complete (with exceptions known as the Antilegomena, written texts whose authenticity or value is disputed) by the time the Muratorian fragment was written.The main source of the idea that the canon was created at the Council of Nicaea seems to be Voltaire, who popularised a story that the canon was determined by placing all the competing books on an altar during the council and then keeping the ones that did not fall off. The original source of this "fictitious anecdote" is the Synodicon Vetus, a pseudo-historical account of early Church councils from 887.

[@fabbeyonddadancer]

Source up

[@Spsz6000]

You have no clue who Gary is and the extent of his work.

[@chicken-911]

Yeah, you didn't show where Jerome came from with the quote. Finish the context from his end, not from a work 3-4 centuries late in history.

[@ljnouata9088]

So Good that Wes Huff exposes Catholicism.

[@John_Six]

@@ljnouata9088 Wes only exposed his own ignorance.

[@ljnouata9088]

@@John_Six you haven’t refuted anything that he said. Just the same Catholic rhetoric.

[@John_Six]

@@ljnouata9088 The irony of your reply 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ljnouata9088]

@@John_Six Your Pope think he’s God. 🤣🤣🤣

[@chicken-911]

​@@ljnouata9088 woah. talk about false witness. Not so Christ-like of you, mate. Anyway, you should watch the video before trolling. If you think Gary didn't sufficiently reply, point it out and respond. Don't settle on just bark and accusations.

[@SKYLENS685]

Have you ever debated anyone? Or are you just good behind your screen. Go depbate Wes and show the world how good you are, Mr Mormon

[@loulasher]

You don't sound very relaxed. Gary's research and information stands on its own.

[@EricN571]

With those statements I’m sure he can rebuke that guy Wes . Overrated guy .

[@Triniforchrist]

Yes he debate James White back in the day I heard

[@SKYLENS685]

@loulasher there's a difference when someone studies a video, wrote down his answers, and when you get an interview with someone face to face. Why can't he go on a big platform and see if he remembered everything. Has he ever gone to a Muslim and asked why Jesus wasn't crucified? The answer is no. Your mate likes to put down other Christian who try their best to defend the faith.

[@SKYLENS685]

@EricN571 well asked him if he could debate him and see who would stumble. A big difference is when someone else interviews you. You will forget most things because you don't know what is coming. Ask your mate to go or a big platform and see if he's all knowledgeable about everything.

[@rufusmazzoli]

The Scriptures were written by the apostles of the Lord Jesus. What is the seal of an apostle or an authoritative author? (Acts 1:21-25) That is the difference between what we, the church, consider to be inspired by God, or not. The 'apostles' of the apostles are not considered to be authoritative because they were not the apostles of the Lord Jesus. (2 Peter 3:2) Otherwise, where would you stop? They also contradict what the Lord Jesus taught, i.e., the intercession of the saints, the perpetual virginity of Mary etc... Jesus commissioned the apostles, not the apostles of the apostles, to write and observe what we all know to be the New Testament today. The Lord is using Wes for His glory, stop getting in the way, or you'll end up getting in the way.

[@HenryBonesJr]

Mark and Luke weren't Apostles, yet their works are included in the canon. Clement wasn't an Apostle either, but Paul recognized him as a co-worker [Philippians 4:3] and his letters were read in the Early Church. Many considered them Scripture. However, Clement's letters are not included in the canon. This point was raised by Cameron Bertuzzi in his video "The One Question Every Protestant MUST Answer" on Capturing Christianity. Also: 1. Where in the Gospels does Jesus command the Apostles to write down all of their experiences? Answer: He doesn't. 2. Where in the Gospels does Jesus hand over a list of books [the canon]? Answer: He doesn't. 3. Where in the Gospels does Jesus tell His Apostles that everything to be believed must be found only within the canon? Answer: He doesn't. Finally, it is entirely plausible that the Good Counselor [the Holy Spirit] is guiding Gary to respond to Wes. Why? Because Truth matters. Wes is spreading incorrect information. It behooves people like Gary [those with the platform to do so] to correct him. Perhaps, you shouldn't get in his way?

[@Triniforchrist]

​@@HenryBonesJrexactly, he spread alot of false information about the Catholic Church, I'm glad he is being call out, protestant are acting like he is the second coming

[@anonimo-um2ng]

Protestants are the ones who by teaching salvation by faith alone and Sola Scriptura contradict Jesus clear teaching, because Jesus rejects both Salvation by faith alone and also once saved always saved over and over again and He never said "If you have doctrinal discrepancies go to the Bible alone", because He knew from all eternity what we can see clearly now: Sola Scriptura is satan´s favorite tool to divide protestentism in hundreds of denominations. And the Bible does not contradict Mary´s perpetual virginity as even protestant reformers admitted and the Bible does not contradict intercession of the saints either, what the Bible condemns as a work of the flesh is division (Galatians 5:22) and protestants have division in its DNA.

[@rufusmazzoli]

​@@HenryBonesJr Firstly - Did you not at all read what I had written about what the church considered to be an apostle or an authoritative author? Mark and Luke were not 'apostles,' but they certainly would have qualified as apostles. For example, Joseph called 'Barsarbas' was one of two men that could have qualified as an apostle because of the fact that he 'accompanied' the apostles of the Lord from the "beginning [of] the baptism of John to that day when He (Jesus) was taken up from [them]". (Acts 1:21-25) Now these were just two men (including Matthias) that they proposed to take the place of Judas in and among the 120 disciples that were gathered together that day. There could have been others there also that could have qualified as apostles too as per Acts 1:21-25. So what am I saying? Luke and Mark could have qualified as apostles - that's why they are in the New Testament. And they were certainly witnesses of everything from the baptism of John up until the time the Lord Jesus was taken away into heaven because of their own accounts. Secondly - What does Paul recognising Clement as his co-worker have anything to do about him being an apostle or an authoritative author? I'm telling you that we, the church, know what is considered to be authoritative because of the fact that the authors of the New Testament were apostles of the Lord Jesus or indeed could have qualified as such - i.e., Mark and Luke, Barsabas. 1 - How do you know Jesus didn't command His apostles to write down what they had witnessed? Just because they didn't let us know that Jesus told them to 'write everything down' doesn't mean He didn't command them to do so. And how does that address what I am trying to address? 2 - How is this at all addressing the points that I have raised about who is and who isn't an authorised author of the New Testament? Why would Jesus write down the New Testament if He has His followers (His apostles) doing it for Him? This argument is not addressing anything. 3 - Again, the reason why we take the New Testament as it is, is because it is a book written by the apostles of the Lord, or indeed men who could have qualified as apostles (Luke and Mark). If we take your logic, where would you stop? Why shouldn't I or whoever write more books that could qualify as canon? This, again, does not address anything but shows that the New Testament stopped with the apostles of the Lord. You conveniently did not address that fact that the 'apostles' of the apostles taught what Jesus did not. Where did Jesus or the apostles teach us to 'pray to the saints in heaven?' Where do they say that the saints are in heaven? Paul teaches us that the dead in Christ will be raised when the Lord 'descend(s) from heaven.' (1 Thess 4:16-17) Moreover, where do they teach us that Mary was a perpetual virgin? These are doctrines that you believe in, not because they have been taught by Jesus or His apostles, but because you do not know where to draw a line.

[@rufusmazzoli]

@@HenryBonesJr Firstly - Did you not at all read what I had written about what the church considered to be an apostle or an authoritative author? Mark and Luke were not 'apostles,' but they certainly would have qualified as apostles. For example, Joseph called 'Barsarbas' was one of two men that could have qualified as an apostle because of the fact that he 'accompanied' the apostles of the Lord from the "beginning [of] the baptism of John to that day when He (Jesus) was taken up from [them]". (Acts 1:21-25) Now these were just two men (including Matthias) that they proposed to take the place of Judas in and among the 120 disciples that were gathered together that day. There could have been others there also that could have qualified as apostles too as per Acts 1:21-25. So what am I saying? Luke and Mark could have qualified as apostles - that's why they are in the New Testament. And they were certainly witnesses of everything from the baptism of John up until the time the Lord Jesus was taken away into heaven because of their own accounts. Secondly - What does Paul recognising Clement as his co-worker have anything to do about him being an apostle or an authoritative author? I'm telling you that we, the church, know what is considered to be authoritative because of the fact that the authors of the New Testament were apostles of the Lord Jesus or indeed could have qualified as such - i.e., Mark and Luke, Barsabas. 1 - How do you know Jesus didn't command His apostles to write down what they had witnessed? Just because they didn't let us know that Jesus told them to 'write everything down' doesn't mean He didn't command them to do so. And how does that address what I am trying to address? 2 - How is this at all addressing the points that I have raised about who is and who isn't an authorised author of the New Testament? Why would Jesus write down the New Testament if He has His followers (His apostles) doing it for Him? This argument is not addressing anything. 3 - Again, the reason why we take the New Testament as it is, is because it is a book written by the apostles of the Lord, or indeed men who could have qualified as apostles (Luke and Mark). If we take your logic, where would you stop? Why shouldn't I or whoever write more books that could qualify as canon? This, again, does not address anything but shows that the New Testament stopped with the apostles of the Lord. You conveniently did not address that fact that the 'apostles' of the apostles taught what Jesus did not. Where did Jesus or the apostles teach us to 'pray to the saints in heaven?' Where do they say that the saints are in heaven? Paul teaches us that the dead in Christ will be raised when the Lord 'descend(s) from heaven.' (1 Thess 4:16-17) Moreover, where do they teach us that Mary was a perpetual virgin? These are doctrines that you believe in, not because they have been taught by Jesus or His apostles, but because you do not know where to draw a line.

[@donhaddix3770]

God inspired the authors of 66 books, not apocrapha

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

Wow! You are a powerhouse of refutation! AMAZING!!

[@codycampbell9851]

​Another individual Protestant pope making accusations on what's inspired by God. I guess I miss the verse where Christ said to hold off on inspired books until 2025 until I send some one into a KZbin comment section to let you know ... Forget the church I left you and that still stands.... Sad Protestant ​thought process. We are Christ church the Catholic church we have the church given to us built on the apostles. We have the church history and the church fathers. You have 500 years of protesting .@@WilliamAlbrecht Love your work William!

[@alanking4836]

​@@WilliamAlbrecht you guys got cooked I hope you can come back after that one.

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

@ Devastating :(

[@donhaddix3770]

@@WilliamAlbrecht yep. just look at the definition o apocrypha,