MZTV 1548: Who is Gog and Magog And Why a Rebellion at the End of the Millennium?

[@dsa122161]

I was led to many false doctrines. Confused by many pastors . I thank the holy Spirit for guiding me here to your teaching. God bless you brother Martin.

[@zendermeister]

You're welcome--and THANK YOU for these gracious words. Those pastors will have to answer for confusing you. I am thankful that the holy spirit led you here. That is as right a statement as can be.

[@whizchic6252]

Many thanks to God for inspiring this deep dive, my friend. Your teaching is excellent and well timed. I'll be tackling Hebrews in the weekly study with my daughter shortly, so all you've been covering is immensely helpful. Also, all three of my sisters are now listening to you, or reading Concordant material concerning the truth. I can actually converse with all of them about things of consequence for the first time in our lives. I do believe my mother saw many of these truths before she died 26 years ago. She was an avid student of scripture and spent long hours pouring over different sources along with concordance and translations. God definitely used her to inspire me in my search for Him. Finding you was no accident, and the rest is history. Bless you, my friend ❤

[@zendermeister]

Wow! This post of yours is truly a blessing, Whiz. God is so gracious to you in giving all three of your sisters a hunger for this truth. I thank God for making me a part of this marvelous thing. And your daughter too! You truly are a herald, Whizchic, a light in the darkness to your family with happy feet that bring an evangel of good. God bless you and thank you for sharing this with me and the rest of the body of Christ.

[@dawng.2919]

Good morning my beautiful family! 🕊️💕

[@matthewmichaelson9806]

Good morning 😊❤

[@simonundergrace]

Good morning, lil sis! ❤🌞

[@neonlight4778]

Recently I was musing away to myself in the morning, and I had this bizarre but precise feeling of what it may feel like at the appointed time. Perhaps it was wishful thinking, but I don't believe in coincidences. For a brief moment it felt like what was outside of the window wasn't thorns and thistles and ugly eastern block buildings made of grey stone. It felt like the world was far larger than I have been accustomed to, with beautiful structures, flowers, trees and plants of various bright and vivid colours all over. And the ability to go as far as you wish, without fear or threat of pain and sadness. It led me to thinking this might be the feeling we receive before the snatching away, not strictly excitement, but more an anticipation with an intimate emotional 'knowing' of what lies ahead. As if we've known the whole time. I say this as a person who, in my early 20s found a photograph online of somewhere in Europe in the 1970s. I thought this was one of the most prettiest pictures I had ever seen. Yet I could not find any information of where this photo was taken. I saved this picture and would look at it from time to time. Four years later, I was in southern France. Walking for a couple of hours along the French Riviera. The roads began to wind alongside the Mediterranean sea as the buildings became 'familiar'... I had this deep knowing, it felt like Jesus himself was walking beside me with a little smirk. I turned a corner, there it was. The place where this photo had been taken in the 1970s. I had stumbled my way to it, God willing. I would find the exact place where the original photographer had been standing (the edge of a garden path) and take the same picture, and I can post links to both images if anyone requests. My big point here is, there are no coincidences. neon.

[@daveward3026]

Loved the answers to these questions. It's opening up my understanding of what will be happening BEFORE the All in All. The next eon proves you can't blame Satan for all the sin we do. It's in our nature because we ARE dying. I'm excited to be called for God's Reconciliation Project. Makes all this life's trials worth it knowing God is still in control and always will be.

[@TheGreatUnfoldingRobWile]

Been away for a few days, catching up on shows 🙂 Thanks Martin

[@craigg364]

Love this brother. Why do I get a sense that we are close to the snatching away.

[@donaldkgarman296]

GOOD MORNING BODY OF CHRIST

[@undergrace722]

🧡Grace and Peace🧡

[@EagleSean]

Good Morning Y'all 🌞🦅💫🤗

[@Volksgroove]

Hah! I got here first for once 😂 Good morning, Saints ✌️

[@zendermeister]

One of these days I'm going to be first. 🧐

[@Flower_of_Truth]

Wow, this was so well and thoroughly explained! Thanks a lot!

[@JoyceKreis]

Thank you again..always praying for you😅😅😅

[@jenniferweiss4734]

Martin, thank you so much for sharing this message with us . These are truths never taught in religion anywhere. Your videos are a blessing to the body of christ. ❤

[@zendermeister]

Thank you, Jennifer. No, that's for sure, Christianity never teaches any of these things and has never heard of eons---even though the Greek word aion and its adjective appear over 75 times in the New Testament. Grace and peace to you.

[@Annatar]

Xosa is a cool language. The X is pronounced as a click with the tongue, really fun to try to say

[@rubytuby6369]

As a lifelong gardener, enjoyed your description of the weeds Martin, also have to deal with the bugs , and the mice and the plant diseases. It’ll be a beautiful thing when God makes that all go away. Love your teaching on the eons. A critically important topic ,completely lost by the mainstream.

[@zendermeister]

Right on, Ruby. You're right about the eons. without an understanding of the eons, one simply cannot grasp God's plan. Ah--so you can relate to this eon's gardening woes. You will have a fine chat with Adam about that at the Great White Throne. Sure appreciate your post, Ruby.

[@teejosh9550]

Great teaching about Israel and eons❤🎉😊

[@zendermeister]

Thank you, T.J.

[@teejosh9550]

@@zendermeister You're welcome sir 😊.

[@trayseebee2302]

I have heard so many conflictions about this topic, Martin - Who or what is Israel? 1: It is a piece of land, named Israel in 1948, originally called Palestine, that was reclaimed by the Jews from the bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob only. But who reject Christ. 2: We as believers, the Body of Christ who are now adopted and grafted into the vine of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, are Israel. Are we then, as believers in Christ, Jesus... Israel? When I hear The Body of Christ and Israel talked about in separation, one from another, this question always comes to mind. Clarification would be appreciated. I'm new to your channel, and I am very much enjoying your teachings. Thank you!

[@zendermeister]

Hello, Tray! (May I call you Tray?) Great to have you here on the channel. Welcome. These are great questions. When God speaks of Israel, He's always talking about the people descended from Jacob, otherwise He generally says, "the land of Israel." It is highly questionable whether or not the "Jews" living today on the tract of real estate you describe above, are actually sons of Jacob. Some surely are, but I am guessing that the majority are of a mixed race. Nevertheless, nearly all of them have rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and, as you say, rejected their Messiah. It is not "we, as believers" who are adopted into the vine of Abraham. You're referencing Romans 11 here, which is speaking of NATIONS, not individuals. It is the Gentile NATIONS that have been grafted onto the olive tree, that will be cut out when the natural boughs are called into the land by Christ at the end of this eon. I know this passage is not talking about individual believers because Paul says, "beware that you are not cut out!" This cannot be individuals, because Paul just spent six chapters of this book (Romans) explaining how believers are justified in Christ. We can't be cut out of ANYTHING, individually. No, we are not Israel. Israel is Israel. There is a seductive teaching going around called "Replacement Theology," or "Spiritual Israel," which says that God has given up on His promises to the natural people and has fulfilled these promises "spiritually" to people who are not Israelites. Wow, this is a big fat lie. (This is why your question is so good and I'm glad you asked it.) Paul often COMPARES the body of Christ to Israel and to Abraham, but this is comparison only---it is not identity. Paul uses Israel and Abraham as a metaphor. "Those of faith are sons of Abraham." This is a metaphor. It's not literally true. Like Jesus saying, "I am the door." Is He a literal door? Of course not. Are we literal sons of Abraham? No. But we believe LIKE Abraham. The simile would say: "Those of faith are like sons of Abraham." The metaphor is bolder and says, "Those of faith ARE sons of Abraham." Same thing, through. It's figurative. It's just harder to see the figure in the metaphor. The takeaway, Tray, is that God will fulfill His literal promises to literal Israel. This is great news! No matter how bad things look for His natural people, God knows where the ACTUAL Israelites are, and He will save them in the end and bring them to Zion. Grace and peace, and I hope this was helpful.

[@Matthew-f9s]

Even though there are likely very many Israelites from all 12 tribes in the body of Christ, and it is true that the “seed shall be called in Isaac”, it doesn’t matter because for us now who believe, “there is neither Jew nor Greek” in Christ’s body, and we no longer “know any man after the flesh”, so it’s fair to say that Paul’s gospel transcends fleshly affiliation, and is why Paul considered it as refuse.

[@mikemorales8627]

Good morning BOC❤️

[@zendermeister]

G'morning, Mike.

[@MatthewFisher-v1k]

MZ, we loved the Indiana Clip. Thanks for the education. M’s❤

[@kimberley5793]

Yes I also see the differences

[@collinssims5784]

Hi Martin, scripture is clear in Revelation 20 regarding Gog and Magog’s attack on the saints. Revelation 20 says their armies will be destroyed at the end of that battle. We then see the end of eon 4 move to the Great White Throne judgement prior to the new heavens and new earth being revealed and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. I would agree that Gog and Magog appear to be named individuals who gather a great army. My question is what about the Gog of the land of Magog found in Ezekiel 38-39? Specifically in chapter 39 verses 9-29 tell us God fights on behalf of Israel and destroys Gog so that Israel burns their weapons for seven years and they are burying the dead for seven months. These seem like two different events based on Israel’s actions in Ezekiel 39 versus fiery destruction from heaven at the end of Revelation 20 which moves eon 4 to the Great White Throne judgement after the earth is destroyed by fire. Thoughts?

[@zendermeister]

This is a great question. As of now, I see Ezekiel 38 and 39 as prophetic. In other words, I see the Gog and Magog of Revelation 20 as the acting out of the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39. I can't be adamant about it, however, at this point. My question would be: when has Israel ever dwelt in safety? That won't happen until the Millennium. What do you think?

[@kimberley5793]

​@zendermeister when they say pace and safety...

[@collinssims5784]

Hi Martin, I think there is merit to Israel living in a future man-made safety when the beast affirms a seven year covenant which is ultimately nullified after 3 1/2 years. I also agree Israel ultimately will live in a future God-ordained peace during the 1000-year kingdom. I pulled this from Ezekiel 39 (YLT): Israel Restored 25 ¶ Therefore, thus said the Lord Jehovah: Now do I bring back the captivity of Jacob, And I have pitied all the house of Israel, And have been zealous for My holy name. 26 And they have forgotten their shame, And all their trespass that they trespassed against Me, In their dwelling on their land confidently and none troubling. 27 In My bringing them back from the peoples, I have assembled them from the lands of their enemies, And I have been sanctified in them before the eyes of the many nations, 28 And they have known that I am Jehovah their God, In My removing them unto the nations, And I have gathered them unto their land, And I leave none of them any more there. 29 And I hide not any more My face from them, In that I have poured out My spirit on the house of Israel, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah!' To me, these verses in Ezekiel 39 imply a person named Gog of the land of Magog is used by God to initiate Israel’s move into their land where they live safely for the 1000 year kingdom. The reason I lean this way is the reference to 7 years of weapon burning which doesn’t seem to fit the Revelation 20 war. That war seems to end the 1000 year kingdom and close out eon 4. Anyway, it’s a very interesting topic and I think relevant to where we are in eon 3. To me, it almost seems God uses a Gog to start the 1000 year kingdom and another Gog to end it.

[@simonmuller8433]

many false doctrines i was exposed to before still undoing the Christian damage

[@Pablo-p7y]

5:58 "but I think Zosa probably understands now why the traditional gospel repels people" Because it was designed to repel people (2 Cor 2:15,16). Universalism on the other hand appeals to the "natural man" so it doesn't repel anyone. But the elect see through this "happy God" evangel. For satan himself masquerades as an angel of light - therefore it's not surprising if his servants (universalists) also masquerade as servants of righteousness.

[@outofhermp]

Gog Magog are the false teachers, the locust scorpions of Rev 9, Joel 2 Ezek 38. They are also refered to as the army of horsemen when is metaphor for false teachers that speak from their own carnal reasoning. The point is the 5th and 6th trumpets are happening now. Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. A thousand years is a metaphor for age. We are at the end of the age now. The final trumpet will sound soon and there is no provision for another literal thousand years Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[@ForestForTheTrees3283]

I've been watching short video clips of the series "The Chosen". Anybody watch that? Just curious if it's something to avoid or is it pretty accurate? I've only seen a few.

[@zendermeister]

"The Chosen" is great! I love it. For the most part, it is very well done. Watch the entire episode of the wedding feast at Cana. It's remarkable. Also, the woman at the well. I'm actually very thankful for this series. Really brings the life of Christ to life.

[@ba.anderson]

Jesus said in Mt25 concerning the goat nations, "In as much as you do it to the least of these my brethren, you do it to me." I'm not persuaded these goat nations are to be judged according to how they treat Israel in accord with the flesh. These are denying Christ, amen? Would Jesus regard those rejecting him as his brethren? Did he not dismiss his own family members as being his brethren? How much more are those denying him as though he were smitten by God? I'm convinced the brethren of Christ are those unto whom the arm of Yahweh is revealed. These are the children of Abraham. These are the children of promise. Only those in Christ through the faith of Christ are counted for the seed and fellow enjoyers of the allotment. How the goat nations are treating these people shall determine their judgment.

[@ba.anderson]

It really irks me to hear the quote from Gen12 being applied to that small airstrip of land in the middle east having been called by the name of Israel those who from the waters of Judah fare forth. God told Abraham He would curse those cursing him and would bless those blessing him. God never told Abraham that those usurping the name Israel would fall into this category. Even though that small airstrip of land in the middle east are swearing by the name of Yahweh, and make mention of the God of Israel, it is not in accord with truth, nor in righteousness. They created a war machine in the middle east and are betting on the pulling of the heart strings of the biblical illiterate to fulfill their Balfour declaration.

[@gabrielalexander9753]

There are two clear statements, naturally both from our apostle, which explain to us the purpose of eon four and eon five: 1. “By works of law shall no flesh at all be justified.” Galatians 2:16 If that is so, and IT IS, because this is God speaking through apostle Paul, then why is Christ implementing and enforcing the Law for 1,000 years in the coming Kingdom? We know that He will have to use an iron club to subdue and control His enemies, but what about the Jews? They surely will be justified by following of the Law, won’t they? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Then why is Christ bringing back the Law, especially AFTER fulfilling all of its requirements in His own flesh??? For one reason only: TO PROVE TO THE JEWS ONCE AND FOR ALL THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH STATED IN GALATIANS 2:16. The Jews - and their proselytes - are indeed a stiff-necked people and have to be proven this truth. 2. “Flesh and blood is not able to enjoy an allotment in the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 15:50 In eon five, death is no longer operable on the new earth, but the inhabitants thereof are still FLESH AND BLOOD, that is they are NOT IMMORTAL. They will have bodies similar to Adam’s before he sinned. They will be maintained alive by eating from the “log of life which is in the center of the paradise of God” (Unveiling 2:7), and by drinking the water from the “river of water of life” (Unveiling 22:1). Incidentally, it is THIS Paradise that should be compared to the Garden of Eden and NOT the current earth during the Millennial Kingdom. The proof is in the word itself: Paradise. It comes form the Greek “paradeisos” which comes from the Avestan (old Iranian language) “pairidaeza,” which means “enclosure, park.” What the Christians are missing, and apparently even some who are in the Body of Christ are still not seeing, are these two verses, also from our apostle: 1. “What will rescue me out of this body of death?” Romans 7:24 For those who still don’t understand, it is well worth reading the entire chapter and understanding the context… which is basically the battle between the soul and the spirit… Unfortunately, there are still believers who are moved more by their soul than by their spirit... 2. “The last enemy is being abolished: death.” 1 Corinthians 15:26 NO TOTAL (I.E., UNIVERSAL) RECONCILIATION IS POSSIBLE UNTIL THE END OF EON 5. GOD CANNOT BE ALL IN ALL WITH FLESH AND BLOOD!!! Oh, where would be without the teachings of our apostle and without the constant pounding of these truths by our brother, Martin!!!

[@robertlakey]

When you talk about the New Heaven and New Earth please comment on the fact that on that New Earth in the New Jerusalem "the tabernacle of God is with MANKIND (not just Israel), and He will be tabernacling with THEM, and THEY (mankind) will be His peoples, and God Himself will be with them...for the FORMER THINGS PASSED AWAY...NEW I am making ALL" (Rev 21:2-5) Thanks. Also, since the Great White Throne proceedings happen AFTER what you call the 4th eon with the destruction of the present earth and BEFORE the creation of the New Heaven and New Earth, comment on why you think the GWT could not be the place of the consummation of the present eons and the New Heaven and New Earth the beginning of the "oncoming eons". NOTE: You assume there are 5 eons I am guessing because the Concordant people taught that, but I personally think they were wrong. I find seven eons in Scripture, each ending in judgment, all ending before the New Heaven and New Earth which I think is the eighth (eight being the number of new beginnings.)

[@LegendaryLayne]

Where do you see 7 eons? Some people will be cast into the lake of fire ( second death ) during the GWT judgement which is after the 1,000 year reign. And the majority of humanity will be going to the new earth. And then at the consummation, death will be destroyed. God will be all in all. I'm sure you knew all of that, I'm wondering where you're getting 7 eons at?

[@LegendaryLayne]

I commented but I can't see the comment. Don't know if it was deleted. Where are you getting 7 eons?

[@zendermeister]

@@LegendaryLayne Yes, I would ask the same question. don't know what happened to your comment! 😫

[@LegendaryLayne]

​@@zendermeisterit's okay. KZbin deletes comments, so I'm guessing that's what happened. My original comment was me saying after the 1,000 year kingdom on the earth, there's the Great White Throne. Majority of humanity is going to the new earth. Billions of people. The rest of humanity will go to the lake of fire ( second death ) and then next would be the consummation where death is destroyed and God will be all in all. I'm just not understanding where he's getting 7 eons when I'm seeing 5 eons.

[@LegendaryLayne]

​@@zendermeisterit's okay. KZbin deletes comments. I'm guessing that's what happened.

[@MosesHanma]

Morning saints and Martin! Man, I saw the title and started drooling ant the juiciness of it. Cleaned the plate and I'm satisfied now. Great job as always Martin! Seriously, the fact that a nobody like me gets to enjoy this truth is still beyond me. Talk about feeling unworthy of such a calling. 😢🥹😭😂😁