Né en 17 à Leidenstadt (Clip officiel) - REACTION

[@capueli6987]

Les deux chanteurs qui accompagnent jj Goldman sont Mickaël Jones et Carol Fredericks Ils ont je crois repris la chanson dans leur langue maternelle en anglais ils sont formidables un chouette trio avec de belles voix

[@eliseprevost2233]

FIRST !!.We can say that it is one of the most beautiful songs in his repertoire. A bilingual (French-English) version Born in 17 in Leidenstadt was released in the UK, as well as in the US, in which Fredericks and Jones sing in their native language. The name "Leidenstadt" was invented and literally means "city of suffering": it is an imaginary city that symbolizes all the suffering associated with war. THe 2 others singers are Mickael Jones and Carol Fredericks.

[@Rapoutch]

Masterpiece " But if possible, spare you and me for a very long time From having to choose a side " So actual...

[@marie4905]

Totalement d'actualité, je pense qu'on ne devrait pas tarder à tous savoir ce qu'on a dans nos ventres malheureusement... 😢

[@XiaoVeen]

I agree, it's a very deep song about the contradictions of human beeing. There's reasoning and empathy, but there's also personal experience, trauma that affects our decisions. The fact that the song is not only about Germans after the war but also about different cases like the conflict in Northern Ireland and the apartheid in South Africa shows the universality of this question. We are being blown away by the wind of History...

[@XiaoVeen]

Michael Jones, who is Welsh, has been close to Goldman since the very beginning of his career, he played in his first group Taï Phong (which sang in English, you reacted to Sister Jane).

[@EyeOfTheTGar]

Beautiful song by Goldman. Actually, I think the message of the song is : if I was placed in that context of having born in Germany and having suffered all my childhood, what would I have done in their place ? Everybody likes to think they would have had to courage to resist against nazism and been the good guys, but nobody knows for sure what they would have done placed in this situation

[@TerabKult]

Français, Anglais, Américain ou Allemands. Même combat. Tous envoyés à la mort par des élites, mais pourquoi ? J'y ai perdu tous mes arrières gd pères, 2 à Verdun, 1 dans la Somme, et 1 à Salonique (Grèce). Magnifique chanson de JJ Goldman.

[@franckrichard225]

Great question for Germans during the 20s and 30s (prequel of the great disaster of WWII), but also this song talks about the struggle between Pro british protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland (Michael Jones's part) and South Africa's racial segregation (apartheid, Carol frederick's part). Each singer tries to question what would have been his position if he had to choose a side, simple follower or resistant. Great singers, great song. Great chain also. Greetings from France

[@EvaHellN]

Mickael jones his father was a soldier in Normandy during the landings

[@nanahermar6129]

One of my favorite of Goldman’s songs

[@monpotagerdanslassiette2419]

You saw her in "juste après". the song with le little baby

[@benjamin_barbe]

Goldman est une machine à tube.

[@maverick68000]

For Doug: you have seen the other guy in your reaction of "Je Te Donne " from Goldman too... 😁 And after some research in your archive you have seen the three of them in your reaction of "Juste Apres"

[@ThierryFOCH]

Frédérics/Goldman/Jones was great. You can listen "Rouge" ;)

[@cmoiden37]

la chanson dit " si j etais né en 1917 en allemagne qu est ce que j aurais fais le 2 eme couplet c est le britanique gallois michael jones qui dis "si j avais grandis a belfast" qu aurais je fait " 3eme couplet c est la chanteuse noire americaine qui dit "si j etais née blanche et riche a johanesbourg (afrique du sud) aurais je entendu les voix des noirs

[@glambertini4709]

Yes, Goldman is Jewish through his father and mother. His familly suffered much during the war.If he had been born in 1917 in Germany and not Jewish, he would have been old enough to fight in the war in 39/45 on the German's side. Would he have been a nazi monster? Would he have been a German resistance fighter like there were? Would he have simply gone with the flow without asking too many questions? In France, during WW2 we had French collaborators who did horrible things to other French people, we had French Resistance fighters (women and men) who gave their lives and were heroic to liberate France or saving Jewish people and we had people who were just busy surviving during this time without worrying about one side or another. In short, the worst and the best. And if we found ourselves in this situation, we all want to think that we would be heroes, but the truth is that until we are confronted with these situations, we do not know and we will never know who we really are. That to me is what the song means.

[@XiaoVeen]

In my opinion, the question posed is not to be a Nazi monster or a resistance hero, but rather to be part of the flow of ordinary people who voted for Hitler. That is to say, the not very politicized majority rather than the extremes, that's how I understand the song.

[@franny6591]

Bonjour cher Mr D ! Merci pour tes réactions de Goldman. S'il est une chanson que j'aime ici bas, c'est bien celle-ci ❤❤❤ merci beaucoup

[@hellemarc4767]

After WWI, most of the Germans weren't better of, on the contrary, which is why they voted for the guy with the moustache, who promised jobs, a stable economy, etc. People had no idea of what was going to happen.

[@stefblt5771]

Carole Fredericks, Mickael Jones (JJ's best friend, you heard him in "Je te donne") and JJG. They did albums and good songs the three of them Fredericks-Goldman-Jones. Try "Nuit", it's beautiful.

[@franckrichard225]

Or if he was born in the other side (Non Jewish German, the other religion in Northern Ireland, White Afrikaaner). At the end of the song he said that he hopes never have forced to choose side

[@pouchmi1]

merci ! goldman the boss

[@florian3111]

You already saw them, Michael Jones and Carole Fredericks ! (Juste après, Je te donne...)

[@natinatiouchka7173]

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[@SébastienAuteza]

Look Frédérics/Goldman/jones

[@hochardvalentin7418]

J.J. Goldman is more writer them singer. He wrote many wonderful songs for many signer like Jonny Halliday, Lara Fabian...

[@heyles4394]

Hello D, j'ai une suggestion pour toi Daniel Balvoine - SOS d'un terrien en détresse Merci :)

[@davidrol5939]

J aime bien gooldman un des meilleurs mais ya Michel berger qui est du même genre.

[@crowblank1]

N'est ce pas le visage de Zouk que l'on voit à 1:22 ?

[@XiaoVeen]

À 1:22 t'es sûr ? Je ne vois pas de visage 🤔

[@crowblank1]

@@XiaoVeen A 1:02 pardon 😑. Besoin de binocles moi 😄.

[@XiaoVeen]

​@@crowblank1 Peut-être je ne saurais pas dire, j'ai vu cette grande artiste en spectacle quand elle était beaucoup plus jeune donc j'aurais du mal à la reconnaître 😁

[@mariolamazur9814]

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